Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it.

Their mind.

Envy and their mind.

The right mind and the left(their mind) mind.

The difference between the left mind and the right mind.

What they do with their mind that we think is ours.

What do we do with their mind.


Denying we have their mind helps their mind remain your mind.




Part 1. The mind they gave us.

Emotional marker. Envy. Envy is a symptom of lack, want and need. Poverty Consciousness is more correct term for 'their' mind.
.
Envy is the basis of theft. People want, need, or lack so badly they have to steal. Usually power. Not outright theft like stealing from the liquor store but high jacking power.

That's that the powers that be do. But then again, so do we. Because we have their mind.

In our natural state we are very hard to steal from. Some people know what I’m talking about. The people who are hard to steal from. They make you work at it. They frustrate you because the mind that was given to us mind has been conditioned to having power being given away. When you make their mind work for something..ooo boy. Work may entail thinking, refraining from and a plethora of other things 'their' mind hates mostly being in your right mind.

That is a person’s natural state to be unaffected by things like that. It is a natural state to be in your right mind.

The unnatural state is to have their mind. That’s painful, for us, to have their mind. Because that is what their mind is for...to create pain. Or any other extreme unhealthy emotion. That is their energy feed, emotion.

Like feel good over something that doesn’t exist. If you feel good about a flight of ufo's coming back to earth to take over everything for you ask your right mind, what you are experiencing that should cause you to feel that way. What lack, want or loss of authority have you suffered that that scenario makes you feel good. Your right mind may say, you can't stand to be corrected now, what state will you be in if an army of 'right' minds lands to correct you?

Their mind will just tell you its a feel good idea because it always finds something else having control over you appealing. If you are hard to control it may invite in some buddies. (See Horus Ra thread).


The archetype of the powers that be are based on envy. We have something they lack. This is why there is an us and a them. Lack produces envy.

The have and have nots.

But…WE all have the same thing. Their minds. No matter how virtuous and superior we feel in our feel good…we have their minds.

We tend to think they are the haves, and we think we are the have nots. And so do they. Because if we have their minds we have the same minds as them so we tend to operate the same way.

Materially speaking they seem to have it all. But if they had it all why would they feel compelled to give us their minds? Charity? No that is HOW they have it all. We have something they want. They don’t take it though, we give it away. By agreeing to co-habit their mind.

By agreement. We agree to do it. Simply by not doing anything about it.

If someone is ill they do something about it. Take medicine, see a doctor, etc.

If someone bleeds they do something about it. Get a tourniquet, get a bandaid.

If you had a gigantic feeding growth on you, you’d do something about it.

People with their mind don’t do anything about it. Their mind tells them not to that everything is just fine the way it is and its really only because people are (angry, mean and unloving ) when they point that perhaps you have something feeding on you.

Alas even a person with 'their' mind will tell another fellow swimmer they have a leech on them. It is an entirely different matter when we are told we have a leech on us. What do we do? A person in their right mind pulls it off. A person in their mind goes emo reactive-- this allows the leech to stay on longer. Their mind again. That mind does not care about its host. It cares about itself. Just like them.


That’s what ‘their’ mind wants. It seeks to preserve itself only. So it has no problem lying to you, and you in turn to impose its lies on others.

It makes you a liar . Lie/deny/lie. A really sort of hopeless despairing way to go about things. You might be a awakened liar, a spiritual liar but your still a liar. You just aren't aware of the lies you are telling because....they aren't coming from you. If you are aware of the lies coming from you..good for you. You are half way to your right mind.

Their mind makes a liar out of you. This however is not excusing you, its making you aware of why you are a liar.

Here’s another lie their mind puts out there. It says “I’m enlightened. I’m aware. I’m awake. I’m spiritual.. I’m using my right mind, the mind that creation intended for me.”

So people who are actually in their right mind , are like ..." Cool. Let’s talk. Here's someone I can share thoughts with. " How nice.

Until they turn on you and suddenly you realize...they aren't aware. How could they be when they are not aware of 'their' mind at work.


That’s when the trouble starts. Because right minded people an express thoughts from the right mind can do so without being in the emotionally triggered state. They are not 'ready' to be insulted, hurt, pissed off, wounded or torn apart at the seams. They are whole so they don't carry the expectation their whole right minded thoughts are going to imploded the world of the 'their' mind. . In spite of that they've just walked into someone' s land mine. Whole people don't expect people to be liars.

Whole people are told. You should be more sensitive to 'their' mind. Protect it. Be mindful of it. Don't hurt it. This gives their mind environment to thrive in.

So then a lie has been produced, and when we come to find out the mind is not what it said it was all sorts of drama, tears and recriminations are cast. The people who typically bear the brunt of this are not the liars. But the lied to.

But don't get angry. You must never never be angry at 'their' mind. It can kill you from the inside out, divide, conquer and spread but don't be angry.


"YOU said you were awake and then the moment we find out you aren’t…its OUR fault?"

We didn’t tell you to lie. Their mind did. IT has convinced you that you are awake.
How could you be if you are still deceived by their mind?

If you state that you are enlightened and your behaviors express otherwise you are lying to people with THEIR mind.



Sound familiar? That’s the way the powers that be, physical and non-physical have always behaved. We see it at every election time, every false flag, ever 9/11. Lie, problem, reaction, solution. The solution always, strangely enough, produces more lack. Less liberty, less freedom, less room for the right mind.

And because we have their mind we just go along with it over and over again.

Their mind. It started with them but we collectively perpetrate what they started. Because we have their mind. That’s why it was given to us. To give from us to them our power.

This is what disturbs people. The ‘emotion’ that is generated by the thought of ‘being’ like them. If they have given us their mind, how else would we be? Until we learned to be otherwise?

Was I disturbed when I found this out.

Yes.

Did I do something about it.

Yes. The same way I would do something if I glanced down and noticed I was spurting blood from my raw stumpy wrist that had suddenly lost its hand.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about..I regret that. I am not to blame for that though. Consistently blame for people not being in their right mind. They seldom ever have to suffer the consequences of not being in their right mind.

Are YOU blamed for others not being in their right mind? Are you God? Did you make those people. Did you put that mind in them. Why are YOU blamed?


Why do you expect that we are responsible for YOUR mind. It’s THEIR mind.

I’m not responsible for that and hating me for it, and saying I’m angry because you have their mind is not going to fix anything but re-entrench one further into their mind. You can banish me from your sight, so I will stop painfully reminding you that you have their mind.

But you will still have their mind. You will still have to live with what you are. You fight, hate, banish, cry, bitch, moan, scream play the victim all you want but understand…you are a victim of their mind.

You get cancer. Do it again, scream, bitch, cry, blame, me anyone and you will still have cancer.

Trying to absorb this without their mind, might help you to understand this.

If you are ready to shoot off a snarky remark to me...you are thinking with their mind.
It does the same thing over and over again. It's easy to predict what it will do.

What is so different about them, who gave us their mind, and us? They have more firepower. Us. There’s few of them and many of us. In actuality we are them so there’s really no us and them if we keep behaving like them with their mind.

Because we are a large arsenal and we feed it… unmindfully because we are using their mind when we do that. WE are the batteries that keep the matrix, this corrupt field in place. Our emotional fields more precisely provide the energy to keep it in place. Just a mass of energetic beams holding their matrix up.

Who suffers the consequences of it. Not them. People with their minds do. People without their minds get the residual. The blame. Not their mind mind you. However those in their right minds...find that a great comfort. They just get the residual stuff, those in their minds get the full front on impact of being pummeled by 'their' mind 24/7.

They flip the light switch on and off with thoughts that bother us or titillate us. But so do we.

They start wars. And so do we. Over nothing.

They put on big dramas (over nothing) and so do we. We do it over ‘hurt’ feelings. They do it for the false flag effect to hurt feelings. They need the energy. They don’t prefer hurt energy it’s just easier to manufacture because people are so easily hurt when they are possessed of their mind. Call it a mine. That’s all it does is blow up and hurt you.
And if you are not easily hurt their mind will make sure you are.

So you go out and buy a new dress and you are allright with the world. You put the dress on and then THEIR mind just has to ask. Do I look fat in this dress?

And of course someone will say Yes

But its not the dress making you look fat. It’s your fat that makes you look fat.

Interestingly enough their mind will make you look fat too. I don't care how skinny you are their mind will make you look fat. It will make you appear stupid as well because it encourages you to use their mind, the stupid mind instead of the smart right mind. Their mind is there to make you fat and stupid…like cattle or sheep.

Awareness is a separation from their mind. You still have it but now you have a RIGHT mind and a left mind. A right mind is usually right. Rationally speaking if it were not it would be the left mind…their mind. How to tell. If you do something really stupid that hurts you chances are its their mind you dreamed it up with.


They put out false flags to make you feel good.

“ 12/21/12 we will all go away and leave you a big check from the Federal Reserve.”

Boy is that a feel good thought. Turns out that’s ALL it was. An inhabited construct. not reality, just an idea. That idea does not remotely resemble reality.

And idea that someone put emotional energy into you fed on it for a while , like they do, because you have their mind. Then they pulled the rug out (ha ha no 12-21, no check, no feel good) and they fed on that pain. Got you coming and going first with the feel good, then with the pain. Energy is energy to them. And emotions are energy. That's why their mind jacks with our emotions so much. BEcause we let them...

That feel good energy, yep they’ll feed on that too. Not hard to muster that up fleeting and fake as it is.

The energy generated over the agony of deciding if Obama is a light worker. Yep that too.

Now a right mind can talk about these things without inhabiting it emotionally. Then its just mental stimulation not a trip to the ER trauma ward.

If You weren’t giving forth enough energy (power) we/they need to light the fire and get you more agitated. Harvesting, milking call it what you will. They don’t care what sort of energy it is. Do you sit and question whether your electric bill was generated from coal or steam?

Guess what? Neither do they? Because they have the same mind as us. Their mind.

"They" abuse people so they can ‘feel’ good. And so do we. You can be a canonized virtuous lying saint with their mind. Until something happens to remind you that you are deceiving yourself. Usually its by others who are not deceived by you. then you don't feel so 'good' anymore. So you blame the people you lied to for your not feeling so well anymore. You never blame their mind.

They lie to themselves and then others to feel good. And so do we.

They don’t know how they are abusing people . And neither do we.

They don’t care they are abusing people.

And neither do we.

As long as we feel good. As long as their mind is comfortable, happily inhabiting YOUR head everything is just fine for ‘them”.


Like a drug addict that doesn’t care they destroy the family unit as long as they have their feel good fix.

They are obsessed with corruption and so are we.

Doesn’t seem much difference between an us and them, more like a we are them.

We are the enemy.

Until we stop using their mind.

Because we have their minds.

But we can stop using their mind.

Their mind and the end of the (inner) world.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Meaning/page4

Something is NOT about to happen. It already happened.

They are not plotting against us. The deed is already done.

The long awaited 'Armageddon' happened before you and I were born.

The above thread link is a series of logical speculations about how their mind came to inhabit us.

If you read that thread notice something. There's no drama, anger, hurt feelings, outrage, arguing. There's disagreement certainly. Because its not an emotional subject. It's about how 'their' mind may have come to inhabit us. Therefore its a mental process. Not an emotional process.

Mind=mental.

The thread its self is inhabited by mostly even tempered people. It's disturbing yes. It's high brow yes. It's intellectual, its science its logical intuitive speculation. It's all those things. It's confusing, its hard, you have to work for it. Its knowledgeable. Why aren't more people in there?

"I might feel stupid?" How strange. More knowledge makes you stupid?

I don't have anything to add. That's okay.

My feelings on the matter will not be supported. No they wouldn't. Your thoughts might.

I don't feel that's the truth. You don't feel the truth, you know it. With YOUR mind. Not your feelings.

It's too overwhelming. And being taken over by someone elses mind is not overwhelming?

I don't understand it. Neither do a lot of people participating. That's why they are in there. To get the understanding.

Why go there at all. It might make their mind feel bad. It won't make it feel good.

Their mind hates it when you do. As you can tell by the emotional temperament in that thread their mind doesn't have a chance in there. And it knows it. That's why you don't see it there.

But that is also the same reason it would keep one away.

Their mind may not allow participation in that thread for good reason. Do you really think they want us really knowing we have their mind. They would much rather have you someplace that is generating 'fear' or feel good'. For you to feel good or bad about. Remember it doesn't matter what energy is given, just give it energy. Of course that is not the only thread about their mind.

And when you have a thread like that...it risks inviting in people 'not their right mind' but in their mind. So they can defend 'their' mind.

The above thread linked is neither. No extremes there. Extremes of thoughts maybe but not emotions.

They don’t have to do it a lot. Because we give away our power to them without question. How hard do you have to work when everything is given to you.

Giving away power is easy. Take a hundred dollar bill into a gale force wind let it go and see what happens.

Now how much effort at all. But..how long did it take you to earn that 100.00.

Free Energy.

It's here.

And we are it.


They don't hate us. Why should they hate all that much. If you ‘think’ they are going to wipe out 33 million people because they don’t like us remember they will have to equalize themselves if they do so.

If the talk around town starts that they are going exterminate us one can be rest assured there’s a power struggle going on in the ‘family’ somewhere. For every 1 million of us one them has to go.

if we are in our right mind, then extermination becomes a very viable possibility. There goes their power source.

If we find our right mind there will be no more 'their mind'.

The know that. They don't know much but they do know that. If they knew a whole lot they'd figure out how to get their own personal power without harvesting from us.

That is why its important that their mind is contagious.

It takes several million of us to power a few of them. And we just do it. How else would we do it. How would they manage without us.

We have their minds. If you had my brain, I'd be pretty damned dependent on you would I.

Fortunately you don't and I'm not.

Seriously if you had free power would you kill it, get rid of it, throw it away. They aren’t even stealing it. We just give it away. Where the hell would they be without us?

Where would we be without 'their' mind.

Why don't we have free energy.

We do.

We give it away.

To them.

We are free energy. But not under the yoke of 'their mind'.

Thank you 9E9. At some level I understand although I haven't before heard your terminology. I would like you to continue. Perhaps you could give more examples?

Quote:

---

Posted by Heartsong

Perhaps you could give more examples?

---

Just spend some time looking at some of the more contentious threads on this forum... examples abound!!

I know well the contention here.

What I'm looking for is an enhancement of 9e9's text so that I can better understand what she's saying as she's saying it.

What are people ‘not in their right’ mind called?

(yes-that).

Have you ever worked with people who were mentally ill, in the psych ward, the nut house whatever you want to call it. I know some of us have. I was relatively in my right mind at least compared to those who I worked with. Or so I thought. the difference was probably only marginal and the government eventually came to know that it was only marginal, as I will reveal in a minute. At any rate... I was there to make sure those who were not in their right mind did not harm themselves, others and myself.

Mr Jones where are your dentures?

I hate you, you’re mean. Your a bitch, you’re horrid. I wish you would die. .

Mr. Jones, if you do not show me your dentures in your mouth I will have to call the proctologist again. I really don't want to do that.

You want to steal my dentures. You want them for yourself. Your jealous. (speaking to someone who had obvious 30k worth of hardware and dental work behind their lips, I really didn't want his dentures.Sound reasonable? Can you believe that. No? Yes? Most people can't )

Mr Jones if your dentures are where I most usually find them, I assure you...i don't want your dentures.

You're mean.

Or

Janet Green. where is the ten dollar bill your son left you?

Your evil, you’re a devil who took my money away.

Okay I’m evil, I will call kind God like Dr. Smith the gynecologist to get the money back that I took from you.

I’ll tell her that you pushed me out of bed.

But Mrs. Green I did push you out of bed.

Okay.

There is a reason why people such as this hide things in their body cavity’s. Strangely enough the TS A and other government agencies are obsessed with our body cavities. Who wants to take a stab at that one?


That is dealing with people not in their right mind. You have to have a sense of humor. If you did not they’d drive you crazy with ‘their’ mind.
Most of the people not in their right mind are not in mental wards.

About 20 years ago America mostly emptied out its mental wards, and turned its wards onto the street. Remember that?. During the Reagan Administration I’m told.

Why?


It didn’t matter, they all had the same mind—their mind. No point in keeping those with ‘their’ mind separated from those with ‘their’ mind. When did Sandy Hook Start. Guess?

Then it turned into a matter of keeping the right mind away from 'their mind'.

I am no longer working in a psychiatric ward.

I am still compelled to keep people abusing themselves, others, and me.

I do this because I AM mean, angry and the devil incarnate and because I’m bitter, hateful and wounded. I get this mean viscous pleasure when I try to prevent people from shoving their last remaining bit of power up their butt.

Right?

No.

That is not right mind thinking.

That is what Their mind wants you to think. That's how it preserves itself. And its not even what you think. It’s what their mind wants you to feel. Then it gets to feed again. Not at my expense. AT yours.

More tales from the mental ward.

Dotty, I have come to take you to the bathroom before your daughter gets here.

I can do it myself. You a hateful po faced white bitch and you ain't watching me in the bathroom.

So I let her do it herself. And she promptly ****s all over her room..just as her daughter walks in.

Who gets the blame. Not daughter, not Dottie, not Dottie's ‘their’ mind. My responsibility yes. Not the ward's fault. Or the charge nurses fault.

It's my fault. She's my responsibility. Dottie as much as she is not in her right mind is still my responsibility. You give them an inch and they **** all over the room. You can’t give them an inch. They can’t cope with it.

How did that happen. Why did I lapse? Well..I felt sorry for her. She had no freedom no independence. I just wanted her to have some basic human dignity not have some po faced white bitch standing over her when she used the bathroom. It is every humans right not to have some po faced white bitch watching the final stage act of their alimentary canal? A lapse in judgement in my part. Not supposed to judge you see.

Or maybe I'd already walked through 20 rooms already telling looking for dentures in anus cavities, extracting wet dollar bills, assuring people their dead exhusband wasn't under the bed with a pitch fork, watching people bleed because they sat and clawed at their paper thin skin trying to release the pain of 'their' mind. YOu do get tired of the 'their' mind after a while.
.
21 years old and I'm was already tired of it . Do I find it any less appalling than I did then. Am I any less tired? Are you?

No.

So I left it, and then I knew . Those minds were all over the place. I couldn't leave it.


Mary Thomas. In a geriatric ward full of people not in their right mind. Sweet pliable Mary Thomas. She did whatever you asked and didn’t stuff her dentures up her butt. Pliable. You walked her to her seat, you fed her, she didn’t hiss, spit or throw food at you. She didn't tell you you were evil, mean or nasty when you said she had to change her clothes,. She sat with a sweet smile on her face, empty vacant eyes and let you get on with the show. If you asked her to do something on her own she had no idea what you were talking about. She would go to the john by herself. That was okay she wasn’t stuffing her orifices with denture-creme while in there.

You were supposed to talk to her at all times in goo. Sweet non-conflictive subjects. Just like Mary herself. Gee Mary it’s a nice day out. Oh look Mary there’s pudding for dessert. Mind you when people are not in their right mind there's no such thing as a non-conflicting topic. Opening the drapes turns into a war zone. But Mary was easy.

. Mary liked me. I was her favorite. I liked Mary. Actually she didn’t say or do anything but smile sweetly. Your archetypical sweet old lady. No extracting wadded up ten dollar bills from her vagina. That should have been MY first clue

I talked to Mary like she was , ahem, normal. I talked about USworld news and report with her, I talked about Ronald Reagan, and big pharma and politics, and all sorts of **** to Mary that I wasn’t supposed to. I suppose I was talking to myself because Mary Thomas did not understand any of this.

Or so I thought.


One day I’m sitting next to Mary guiding a spoon to her mouth and listening to the goo talk on the otherside of the table between care taker and patient and literally wanting to vomit into my pocket because the man is an elder, and its being robbed from him with all this syrupy babble. I glance at Mary and the vacant look is gone. She just sits and looks at me from the corner of my eye. And I realized. Mary was entirely in her right mind.

Why was Mary in her right mind in a ward full of crazy people. Why did Mary, out of her Mind Mary, give me that weirdly intelligent, knowing look when the goo started on the other side of the table. Most of all why did Mary act like ..she was not in her right mind?
.
It was the only safe place for her. If she behaved in her right mind, they’d do something to her. Sedate her maybe. Take away her right mind.

Conformity. The only camouflage for the right of mind.

Oh but wait...conformity, being a sheep, the status quo...we don't like that either...

What a bind.

I wonder what causes such a conflict.

No doubt most all are familiar with this passage:

_________


"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre 

stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

_______________


Thread is really adding personal experience and insight to expand upon that.

_______________

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

There is a reason why people such as this hide things in their body cavity’s. Strangely enough the TS A and other government agencies are obsessed with our body cavities. Who wants to take a stab at that one?

---

http://stylishcorpse.files.wordpress...-pick-me_1.jpg


Just kidding. Tempting as it might be to post one of several hilarious TSA vids going down that path I will pass.

You are doing something of great value here and I certainly do not want to disrail that.

Talking about using their mind, read this short book, its an astonishing revelation concerning their mind and loosh, and how we are all being directed to unify with this mind by all doctrines, need to read this.

regards

roman

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...1&d=1357819061

Quote:

---

Posted by ROMANWKT

Talking about using their mind, read this short book, its an astonishing revelation concerning their mind and loosh, and how we are all being directed to unify with this mind by all doctrines, need to read this.

regards

roman

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...1&d=1357819061

---

Yep ... agreed.

No disrespect intended Roman but I probably don't need to read it...lol.

However someone mentioned it to me last night so I will read it. Another angle to the whole matter is always welcome. Thanks for posting the link.

Your views on the matter?



There's another thread in the forum specifically about Loosh and emotional control. It didn't live long like I said their mind doesn't allow people to inhabit arenas where it might be found out like Calz intimated above.

To able to go and admit to yourself that you may be thinking and feeling with something other than your own faculties is the first step to freedom.

Basically people call what mind control, the better portion of is emotional or loosh control.

We are loosh factories. The energetic portion of what people refer to as the matrix, the illusion field is held in place with it.

And that's okay to be forced into a state of loosh production. As long as no gets (here comes the dirty word of the new age era) ...angry.

Even though it is the Rape of the Psyche ...its worse than rape to be angry about it.
It is okay to have their mind. It is not okay to be angry about it.

"You are angry. I don't have to listen to you because anger disqualies any until mental process, reason or evidence. "

(we'll go listen to Alex Jones instead, he's angry but not about 'their mind")

Even though their mind disconnects us from anything that would benefit us in the long term...its worse to be angry about it.

No matter what you do to reveal 'their mind' someone will show up and say. Oh you're angry. That means every word you have written has no merit whatsoever. It sees angry in everything because its hostile about being found out.

These are people who don't know the difference between emotions and thought--they are using their mind.

The meme called 'you are angry'. The pull it out like a gun and shoot you with it anytime you come anywhere near illuminating 'their mind'.

Angry. Angry Face. YOU ARE ANGRY FACE! End of story. This discussion is ended. Someone is angry (regardless if anyone is or not)

Albert Einstein. Nope he got angry, flush all his theories down the toilet. I'm going to watch Alex Jones now.

The act of 'not' being angry has replaced all other virtues. Pedophila, rape, lies, all OK as long as no one was angry. Particularly the victim. Those are all premeditated and perpetrated acts of 'their' mind. That's all it takes to protect it. Just pop up and say "your angry' and the movement to rid society of 'their mind' is pr-emptively scattered and shut down. A greater sin has occured than mind control and rape of the psyce. Anger. Their mind conjured it up and spread the label.

That's all it takes to shut down freedom.

A construct is built around that. "You are in a constant state of anger" therefore not trustworthy. It doesn't matter how much evidence to the contrary one has, you are forever labeled angry. After that anything you say, is angry. Before you even say it , I've labeled it angry. Prejudice.

Even our courts lamely attempt to stay in the 'without prejudice' realms.

Another meme. If you are angry you are not able to love (their mind).

I've never noticed anyone who got pissed about a flat tire or broken dishwasher suddenly fall out of love with their spouse. ...lol.

"Excuse me I can't love you right now, I'm angry at the dishwasher. "

Their mind intrances its host to 'think' that Love is so feeble and week it will just evaporate if someone gets annoyed. It hates Love and kicks it constantly with this subtle manipulation. Love can't exist if there's another emotion present, its that feeble and weak.

Words are words, they can't be angry. They don't have the capacity to be angry. A construct has to be built in order to make this illusion more real. Words can be used in such a way to stir the emotional body as any romance writer will tell you.

Their Mind got into the new age programming and inserted this (fawtly) judgement coding about angry. It's been elevated from a garden variety emotion to being Lucifer, Hitler, Stalin and the slayer of Jesus all in one.

YAG is employed to like a referee in the game. As soon as their mind is present it throws out "You are angry" like shooting a bullet. Because the new age has tossed out all virtue and replaced it with 'anything goes as long as you aren't angry'

Another good meme is judgement. Oh your judgement discounts everything you say. Judgement using one's discernment is a valuable way to get around 'their' mind. It has to be taken out of the game and 'their' mind does that by always making judgement a bad thing. It doesn't want anyone using judgement.

It's been turned into moral condemning. Their mind gets to judge everything but the right mind is not allowed to use its own judgement. That is why we see so much stupid **** in the world. A man allowed to use his 'better' judgment probably wouldn't have died eating five pounds of cockroaches.

Their mind don't want us using judgement even though it uses it daily with the 'anger' meme.


Because their mind can't think or reason it must have this knee jerk reaction to everything. It can't absorb what is being said because its a entreaty about IT. So it has to bolt away shouting over its shoulder, "I'm not reading that. It's full of anger."

How would you know if you didn't read it.


This is called Prejudice. Pre judging a situation. Their mind keeps them in the very two conditions that it casts on other people. Anger and Judgement. So that's all they see, that is the filter it casts over their perception so that anytime someone notices it the people only see anger and judgement.

It is very easy for the right mind to know who is really angry and who is just sort of annoyed. it's by expression. Really angry people have a certain set of behaviors. Those behaviors are seldom present when the anger ticket is pulled.

Real anger as opposed to fake anger has a set pattern of behavior to it. Scowling. sullen, irrational. Really Angry people are irrational. You can be annoyed and still make sense. If someone is making sense chances are they are not all that angry, they are using their mental processes not their emotional ones.

That relates directly to building a construct and inhabiting it.

Which I will get to later.

Quote:

---

Posted by ROMANWKT

Talking about using their mind, read this short book, its an astonishing revelation concerning their mind and loosh, and how we are all being directed to unify with this mind by all doctrines, need to read this.

regards

roman

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...1&d=1357819061

---

Yes I could I'd have to email them to you privately though. If you provide evidence of 'their' mind at work its typically taken as a personal criticism.

Examples of direct and premeditated attacks pasted in public though, moderation will more than likely frown on .

Our crazy making **** is that we are collectively trying to expose 'their mind' and hide it at the same time...lol.

Someone's 'their' mind will most certainly take offense and find a means of defending itself and this thread will turn into a emo blood bath.

I'm not really supposed to spell this out for people word for word and steer their thinking. That would make me as bad as their mind. However I can point you in the right direction and people can 'make up their own' mind.

But what D-Day said. Any thread that starts out as discussion of a concept or idea will quickly degenerate into a emo blood bath with the presence of 'their' mind. Particularly if the subject or topic matter challenges 'their ' minds right to exist.

Basically though, people first get an abstract understanding of this. When that occurs the right mind will come forward and lay it out.

If it's allowed to that is.

Quote:

---

Posted by Heartsong

Thank you 9E9. At some level I understand although I haven't before heard your terminology. I would like you to continue. Perhaps you could give more examples?

---

Interesting discussion, Thanks Chelley! Terminologically speaking, what is being called "their mind" I call "ego-mind". The question is, once identified, what can we do to free ourselves from that foreign superimposition, besides raising a vague ruckus among a few marginalized intellectuals on an obscure forum?

As I see it, “ego-mind” is the activity of craving and aversion that gives rise to the sense of a separate self, which in turn demands one’s full attention in the form of caring, feeding, defending, and preserving. The process initiates when perception is translated into an interior stream of interpretations, images, concepts, memories, beliefs, projections, judgments, narratives and commentaries, which mind then weaves into a vivid and perpetual story – the story of “me” – a fictional character taken to be real, entangled in dilemma, and relentlessly driven by attraction and fear to seek an elusive happiness through the exploitation of experience in this dreamy realm of transitory forms and appearances.

Should it pursue its ongoing adventures in the arena of “spiritual effort”, ego-mind will diligently follow all the rules, rites, and rituals, even congratulating itself on how well it’s doing transcending ego-mind. It will be right up there at the front line, earnestly battling itself via all manner of borrowed strategies and prescribed remedies – artifacts of the search — which in the end only serve to fatten it and prolong the internal struggle.

Ego-mind can co-opt even our most profound realizations, taking the credit for how well it’s seeing through and “hacking” itself. In fact, the very movement and impulse to fight delusion is prompted by delusion itself. That’s how it confirms its existence and survives so well — by ensuring that a perpetual state of war exists (not unlike certain governments).

The last thing it wants is to become obsolete through lack of attention. The last sound it ever wants to hear is the sound of silence. When the movement of attention falls into the inherent and prior silence of its own source, it is not interesting to the ego-mind, which thrives on the noise of conflict. Consequently, if one would be free, sages and shamans recommend cultivating the discipline of inner silence.

“Whatever happens in consciousness is purely imaginary, a hallucination. Therefore keep in mind the knowledge that it is consciousness in which everything is happening. With that knowledge, be still, do not pursue any other thoughts which arise in consciousness.”

~Sri Nisargadatta


“The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers’ mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers’ mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind’s foreign origin. [It] comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers’ mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.”

~Don Juan Matus, “The Active Side of Infinity”, by Carlos Castenada


The quotes above, though from two very different traditions and from opposite ends of the world, coincide in describing a prime vehicle of liberation – the Way of Silence — but it is not a path most will undertake, because of the tremendous discipline and subtlety involved. In the “Bhagavad Gita”, Krishna told Arjuna that, out of millions, only a few will aspire to the truth, and out of those who do, only a few will realize it.

Even given these slim odds, however, what is the alternative? To be a slave? If one is earnest enough in their desire for freedom, they will do what it takes, even unto death. In fact, it’s precisely that death — the end of the search — that mystics and realizers throughout the centuries have spoken of as the price of admission: dying to the restless mind of craving and aversion.

Question: “It is said that the Self is beyond the mind and yet the realisation is with the mind. The mind cannot think it. It cannot be thought of by the mind and the mind alone can realise it. How are these contradictions to be reconciled?”

Ramana Maharshi: “Self is realised with mrita manas (dead mind), that is, mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own source and becomes that.”


Nevertheless, to attempt to force attention into silence by an act of will is just engaging in yet another variation on the theme of seeking, because willing and seeking are complementary. In this case, the exercise of the will equates with the idealism of seeking to have things be different than they are, even if that change is to a state of non-seeking. This is why Seng-T’san, Third Patriarch of Zen, wrote:

“When you try to stop activity to achieve peace, your very effort fills you with activity.”

Consequently, while a sage such as Ramana might advise, “Make no effort … your effort is the bondage….all that is required is to be still”, such instructions are almost impossible for ordinary folk to carry out, for the simple reason that willing and seeking are not normally under our control. They are conditioned activities, programmed into the very foundations of delusion. Moreover, they are based on a case of mistaken identity, in which consciousness assumes the ego-mind’s cravings and aversions to be its own, and so fixates on a self-sense, projecting that “me” story of dissatisfaction into the mechanics of the search, and so re-affirming it in an endless loop.

Ironically, it is the vicious cycle of that very seeking which keeps the mind agitated and prolongs the delusion by reinforcing identification with the story over and over again, prompting efforts to change environments and circumstances, which only result in the mere modification of mind, rather than its liberation. This is why the great Dzogchen adept Longchenpa noted,

“In the meditation which is great natural self-perfection, there is no need of modifications and transformations: whatever arises is the Great Perfection. If you reside in the groundless state through detachment from mind you will accomplish, spontaneously and changelessly, the inconceivable sovereignty.”

In other words, only by disengaging from that stream of thoughts, images, interpretations, memories, and projections which constitute “the story” can attention come to rest in silence, and it is only in such silence, freed from all distractions, all futile seeking and stressful striving, that the true nature and condition of our immortal being can reveal itself as pure awareness.

“Of the steps to liberation, the first is declared to be complete detachment from all things which are non-eternal. Then comes the practice of tranquility, self-control, and forbearance. And then the entire giving-up of all actions which are done from personal, self desire…. He who has completely overcome attachment is ready for the state of liberation.”

~Shankara


See also:

http://theconsciousprocess.wordpress...ing-the-story/

9E9 you have laid this out beautifully. Thank you for taking the time to spell it out.

Quote:

---

Posted by CdnSirian

9E9 you have laid this out beautifully. Thank you for taking the time to spell it out.

---

There has actually been a number a recent threads that have gone through the roof in what we, as members of humanity, should really pay attention to.

9 linked to one in her 2nd post and the modwiz thread on the emotional body is another.

Won't go beyond that cuz no doubt I will forget someone ... suddenly having a hard time keeping up with what really matters here. Point being after personally being here a couple years now ... some of the most astounding and useful information to us is pouring through.

Don't have to wait for a book ... hey ... it is here ... and it is now.

Grab it while you can peeps.

No credit card necessary ... just a bit of time, attention and an open mind.

9E9...thank you.

9eagle, I've long thought that there was a significant division in mind on this planet when the Romans defeated the Celts all throughout Europe. Before the Celts were conquered, there was more of a balance of mind. Since then we have been dominated by "the Roman mind." All countries conquered by the Romans became "Romanized," and they did this for 1000 years. Conquered America (not the Native Americans' Turtle Island) is Roman. Even Washington DC was built on a swamp, as was Rome. That's something that has always struck me as really strange.

... when people stopped building in curves, as Native Americans did; as most older societies do; as the natural world does -- and started building in straight lines... linear thinking ... separation, specialization, etc., that has gotten worse over time.

Does this thought resonate with you at all?

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

It was the only safe place for her. If she behaved in her right mind, they’d do something to her. Sedate her maybe. Take away her right mind.

Conformity. The only camouflage for the right of mind.

Oh but wait...conformity, being a sheep, the status quo...we don't like that either...

What a bind.

I wonder what causes such a conflict.

---

Something I lament on often, especially as I sit here in a combat uniform reading decidedly "un-conformist" web sites and topics.


A question on emotion, the feeling of and the timing of.

I have struggled with this often, I have been called a "robot" and "un-emotional" and various other meant-to-be-degrading comments on my emotional state; I probably have over reacted and am suppressive of my own "emotional body" because I don't like the outcome of emotions I see in others. All the negative emotions (which seem to be the most common, or perhaps easiest to spot) end in one outcome (or greatly increase the possibility of this outcome) that I can see: actions that are later regretted.

Anyway, pointless personal stories aside:

I assume that the only emotional "feeling" that can be trusted is one that arrives due to consciously made decisions, perhaps a bit of joy at a completed project (that has nothing to do with how people will "look at you" or other egoistic motivations) etc... What is to be trusted in the inner landscape? am I going to far by distancing myself from nearly everything?

as to "Their mind" isn't it fairly easy to spot if you find yourself motivated to do something that you didn't consciously decide to do? I found myself in a pointless argument over eating meat here recently that in review I have no Idea why I felt so motivated to post in; I'll assume that was a "their mind" moment as I intentionally was aggravating other people (though not no-holds barred style so perhaps I have some hope). I even posted pictures of "meat harvesting machines" and dead fish to sort of twist the barb in a bit..

I guess I too would not mind more examples, though I understand your reluctance to point them out as any thing "locally relevant" could be seen as a "personal attack".

Thanks for the writing and topics to think on.

Yes yes it does ring a chord there. I'm currently writing about it things of that nature, the Roman conquest of the Celts and later the Gaels with the Roman Catholic church was a epoch of consciousness shift, one might call it ego overgrowth or 'their mind' over growth.

Even the right mind has an ego but its different than the left or 'their mind' ego.

The gaels viewed the Ro-mans as different species altogether interestingly enough. One that was quite insane. So did the Scythian Amazons. And the conquest of the Native Americans was not much different than the conquest of Ireland.

"Their" mind is pretty single minded lol. Linear thinking, it hasn't the ability to balance itself or to explore in a 360 degree way. I'd imagine the physical expressions of that would be how our inner world was reflected in our outer world. Straight single minded lines instead of circles.

Quote:

---

Posted by doodah

9eagle, I've long thought that there was a significant division in mind on this planet when the Romans defeated the Celts all throughout Europe. Before the Celts were conquered, there was more of a balance of mind. Since then we have been dominated by "the Roman mind." All countries conquered by the Romans became "Romanized," and they did this for 1000 years. Conquered America (not the Native Americans' Turtle Island) is Roman. Even Washington DC was built on a swamp, as was Rome. That's something that has always struck me as really strange.

... when people stopped building in curves, as Native Americans did; as most older societies do; as the natural world does -- and started building in straight lines... linear thinking ... separation, specialization, etc., that has gotten worse over time.

Does this thought resonate with you at all?

---

Their mind is easily annoyed. It squawks fast at the slightest provocation.

Basically when I see this unholy contagious crap going on it makes the concept of meat vs vegetarian rather stupid. Sorta like what brand of cookies to buy while your mother is being raped in the next room. A holocaust being waged. A pandemic rather. "Their' mind will keep people tied up in stuff like that so its not noticed.

Emotions can't really be trusted and there's no reason why we should. They are not thought, truth or wisdom, they are simply a means to feel. There are truer emotions than the staged one's 'their' minds put on and those I suppose could be termed truer emotions. At least emotions not generated from an artificial place.

Authentic emotion is the word I'm looking for.

Personal experience tends to turn into personal observation. The more you observe 'their' mind the less of an environment it has to avoid.

I know that people who are capable of their right mind can find those instances of 'their' mind in-habitation without my help.

Not localized to Avalon

Putting an irrational idea out there like the flurry of GFL idiocy ,all 'their' mind, new age space jesus/messiah/savior right down to the word is example of posting up an emotionally inhabited idea and then getting others to emotionally inhabit it. Why have dull old Jesus and his sheep when you can have space Jesus-Savior ufo! The 'their' mind finds that stuff original sounding, to the rest of us its a foolish as it...is..uhm...is. It tries to show that as original or authentic or inspired thought and it just sounds exactly what it is . Dumb.

The more people entrench in their 'right' mind the more stories about having our lives, saved, managed, controlled, taken care of become distasteful. A right mind is a free mind, its is loose from 'their' mind so find those sorts we are going to be saved, we are one just another version of the prison they had to escape from in the first place.

People began eyeballing that stuff pretty hard, and its proponents, and it died a fairly ungraceful death. Of course 'their' mind wants to still believe in it and will find some other place to grow that disease in a different form.

I have another example in my next post of pandemia ....

Quote:

---

Posted by TargeT

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

It was the only safe place for her. If she behaved in her right mind, they’d do something to her. Sedate her maybe. Take away her right mind.

Conformity. The only camouflage for the right of mind.

Oh but wait...conformity, being a sheep, the status quo...we don't like that either...

What a bind.

I wonder what causes such a conflict.

---

Something I lament on often, especially as I sit here in a combat uniform reading decidedly "un-conformist" web sites and topics.


A question on emotion, the feeling of and the timing of.

I have struggled with this often, I have been called a "robot" and "un-emotional" and various other meant-to-be-degrading comments on my emotional state; I probably have over reacted and am suppressive of my own "emotional body" because I don't like the outcome of emotions I see in others. All the negative emotions (which seem to be the most common, or perhaps easiest to spot) end in one outcome (or greatly increase the possibility of this outcome) that I can see: actions that are later regretted.

Anyway, pointless personal stories aside:

I assume that the only emotional "feeling" that can be trusted is one that arrives due to consciously made decisions, perhaps a bit of joy at a completed project (that has nothing to do with how people will "look at you" or other egoistic motivations) etc... What is to be trusted in the inner landscape? am I going to far by distancing myself from nearly everything?

as to "Their mind" isn't it fairly easy to spot if you find yourself motivated to do something that you didn't consciously decide to do? I found myself in a pointless argument over eating meat here recently that in review I have no Idea why I felt so motivated to post in; I'll assume that was a "their mind" moment as I intentionally was aggravating other people (though not no-holds barred style so perhaps I have some hope). I even posted pictures of "meat harvesting machines" and dead fish to sort of twist the barb in a bit..

I guess I too would not mind more examples, though I understand your reluctance to point them out as any thing "locally relevant" could be seen as a "personal attack".

Thanks for the writing and topics to think on.

---

Constructed habitation

An idea, thought, person, thing , circumstance is idealized. Made into an idea. Then people inhabit it with their emotion.

This diametrically opposite of clear sorcery, magick which is taking a word (not an idea) and inhabiting it with will. Not emotion, not thoughts. But will. If you have ‘their’ mind you have no will. You may have the potential for it but you won’t ever be able to express it in a meaningful way with ‘their mind’ running the show.

So the construct is made, and inhabited by emotion it becomes very personalized. Their mind is shared between the person and the idea so eventually….it starts to become self aware. It becomes externalized, their mind was never really under your control in the first place, and now you’ve just created an externalized self aware thought form. Now it can meddle in events external of you!

And they do.

Take on a sort of fraudulent reality and life of its own. Now it is contagious. It just needs to find another ‘their’ mind to grow it. And people willingly hoe the field for them.

Take this idea.

I’m going to cast a thousand pounds of grass seed across one barren toxic acre and grow 50k barrels of potatoes from that casting.

Then I inhabit the thought with emotion, hope, desire, need, wanting it to be true, wishing it to be true, longing for it to be. It’s a feel good idea this bizarre form of magick that has nothing to do with metaphysics and everything to do with insanity that never fails to disappoint the 'magick' user. Through a sort of pseudo manifestation process this will happen. Because…



It sounds good. So it feels good. Things that sound good make us feel good so ….they must be true.!


I can nearly believe I can do this. But the right mind is buried and murmuring ‘UHM I don’t think so” so there’s some doubt cast on the whole idea. The right mind casts doubt on this plan. Then we want others inhabit this idea to reinforce it to cast that doubt away. We need the support of others and their energy to make our doubts go away(and our right mind) because the right mind is fairly sturdy object. Surely if other ‘their’ minds agree to it must have real substance, it will happen because of agreement. Remember their mind is a collective. Majority rules. . So we share it.

The first time the idea is not agreed to it’s like a punch in the gut. Not because a punch was directed at the person but at the idea. One is criticizing the idea their mind created with their right mind. But because one has become so emotionally invested in the idea its like the person got criticized on a personal level. Stupid idea translates into “I’m stupid.”

Their mind is stupid though. It dreams up this **** for you to inhabit emotionally. And for others. This is the agreement that leads to a term called inhabited—possession. Hi jacking at the very least.

A rational criticism of the inhabited construct: It is physically impossible to grow 50k of potatoes from grass seed on one acre of barren toxic land.
1) Potatoes don’t grow from grass seed.
2) proportionally speaking 50k tons of potatoes will not be had from one acre of land.
3) toxic barren land will neither grow

The counter argument to this practical critique is ''your angery'.

Trying to debate with one's emotions? You might as well as shoot yourself in the foot.

Their mind translates that criticism as hatred. It hates anyone who sees it, 'their mind' So the logical reason for this not happening (beyond the physical impossibility of it) is other people’s hate and disbelief.

But since so many people share their mind there is a mob drama over ‘their ‘ minds stupidity. Because the people think, via their mind, they are stupid. Because ‘their’ mind came up with a stupid idea. They end being responsible for the idea that ‘their mind’ came up with. It leaves them holding the bag everytime. We thought our annoying egos were bad, this is like a super super ego.

What a gig.

They may abandon the idea eventually or just re-transform it into another equally irrational scenario. Much of unrealistic, irrational Christian doctrine got transformed into new age ideas and beliefs. The indwelling is still there but the shell of the idea changed. The bait changed.
But this is how the collective consciousness becomes inhabited by junk.

Junk that people channel or inhabit with emotion. Channelers and ‘psychics’ go in there and channel this as true spiritual information and its brought back down and re-inhabited again. It looks real and it looks like it has self-awareness. Their mind.

The 'true' spirit inhabiting that crap is...an inhabited construct with 'their' mind mixed in.

An example of someone famous who does this so ‘their’ mind can harvest. Why David Wilcocks keeps coming up with these ascension dates and ideas. He is fully emotionally invested in the concept. It’s his reality because the ‘their’ mind made it that way for him. Their mind won’t let him let go of it. Now matter how much all his predictions fail 'their' mind flog him forward.

Not long ago I superimposed his astrological chart, his numerical chart, and correpsonded them to tarot archetypes then ran them down the path of the Kabbalah.

Holy cow. Get a can of raid. ..lol.

And people rush in to inhabit his ideas. Which are really the ideas of ‘their’ mind. And when it fails people can blame it on hate and anger of rational people. That is how rational intelligence becomes angry. It’s not. Rational intelligence has no emotion associated with it. It’s intelligence not emotion.

Usually we see these inhabited constructs in the form of ‘We are all going to turn into light bodies.’

Ufo are going to land, Et’s will save us. A light beam will transform the world. The Federal Reserve will send you a check.

This is also how parasitical non physical entities are created. You inhabit it long enough it begins to develop a ‘their’ mind.

Gee you ever wonder like ‘something’ out there is working against you, pulling the rug out from under you, bad luck. like something knows what you are going to do and head you off at the pass before you can do it.

Thank the inhabited construct you made yourself or the one that others made and you agreed to.

While you still have ‘their’ mind they are pretty hard to get rid of.

I went out of my right mind trying to figure out a recurring pattern in my life. Until I knew….

Envy.

Not mine. Very intuitive people kept finding a cloud of envy around me. All the time. Not coming from me, just directed at me. When this started cropping up I could maybe rationalize…Yeah..probably.. A good solid accurate psychic, a talented energy worker in a field loaded with ‘their’ mind and the accompanying envy that haunts the 'spiritual' communities.

Why not. I'd be suprised if not, because spiritual communities are raddled with this crap.


But years after fact when their mind cleared the playing field of anyone who was adept in ability, why the envy. I got out of the spiritual ego envy circles. I wasn't there to agitate them anymore. Too exhausting, its like playing with mud people.

And… I don’t have enviable life. Its not bon bons and peignoirs and unlimited spending here.

There’s not even any one around to envy me. Who the clerk at TSC? The farrier? The chickens. The spoiled monster that chews my wallet to nothing.

Who. I don’ t associate, socialize or smooze. I’m not in social settings where the stick insects can get wroth. I don’t see anyone. there’s no one around to ‘rouse’ envy in.

Where’s all this envy coming from.

I’m not talking about individuals how are envious they are pretty obvious.

. It’s that collective envy that is felt, from the collective ‘their’ mind that has their warp field running through collective consciousness. It hates and envies its hosts even, the ones who do its whim and bow to its every need. Even as substantially reduced as those people are they still have something it wants.

No matter how much it controls people, people will have something it greatly desires and can’t have.

Going into the collective consciousness is like going into the worst sort of smelly dive bar on a waterfront scattered with rotten fish.

Yet everywhere you go there’s the war cry, expand the collective, get into the collective mind, expand consciousness (their mind). So it spreads like an infection .

And the number one symptoms are irrational hate and envy. When there is no ‘reason’ for envy.

I had no idea how much the buzzing of the collective bothered me . You can hang up the phone but you still hear the annoying dial tone.

After 12/21/12 it got real quiet, most of its fodder was abruptly yanked away. It made me realize I spent my life with a noise like nails scratching on a chalkboard in the distance…until it got quiet. Oh my god how light and airy and energetic it was. How relaxing it was. One could put down their fifty piles of etheric shielding from that crap and breathe the free air!

Then it started up again.

All that intense energy that people felt coming in?

Mostly just a natural state they were feeling now that the gabble of the 'their' mind had been shut up for a few. That represented an opportunity to get out from under its yoke.

I wonder how many took it.

...

:rant:

Why an Alex Jones is successful in waking up a few individuals:

Quote:

---

"People will let themselves be led by someone who is in the next level up on the scale. Therefore, all of the gullible souls in the Fear band can be easily influenced and pushed into action by the 1.5 (anger fixation)."--Ruth Minshull (How to choose your people p119)

---

Excerpted from: http://www.whale.to/v/tone.html

A few more interesting quotes and links on that page about mind control via emotions...

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

Envy.

---

Yep, one of the major poisons, before greed, before hatred . . . hard to root out, difficult, but possible.

The main antitdote -- humility, which makes real compassion possible.


helpful notes here: http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.ph...k=view&id=1562

I peeked at the pdf, I read it before, yeah same thing I'm describing here and in CeeTee's thread.

We're loosh factories.

But at least we're not angry!

Quote:

---

Posted by ROMANWKT

Talking about using their mind, read this short book, its an astonishing revelation concerning their mind and loosh, and how we are all being directed to unify with this mind by all doctrines, need to read this.

regards

roman

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...1&d=1357819061

---

Here is a corroborating collection of excerpts from Sri Aurobindo -- I think these compliment the thread (and the underlying theme that ties this thread into others like it). The first quote is from Mirra Alfassa, the rest are from Aurobindo.

[Side note: Emphasis added.]

It would seem that all the adverse, anti-divine forces, the forces of the vital world, have descended on the earth, are making use of it as their field of action, and that at the same time a new, higher, more powerful spiritual force has also descended on earth to bring it a new life. This makes the struggle more acute, more violent, more visible, but it seems also more definitive, and that is why we can hope to reach an early solution.

[...]

The gift of rajas is kinetic force, energy, activity, the power that creates and acts and can overcome; but it moves in the wrong lights or the half-lights of the Ignorance and it is perverted by the touch of the Asura, Rakshasa and Pishacha. The arrogant ignorance of the human mind and its self-satisfied perversions and presumptuous errors, the pride and vanity and ambition, the cruelty and tyranny and beast wrath and violence, the selfishness and baseness and hypocrisy and treachery and vile meanness, the lust and greed and rapacity, the jealousy, envy and bottomless ingratitude that disfigure the earth-nature are the natural children of this indispensable but strong and dangerous turn of Nature [...] The various imperfections of the soul and mind produce many imperfections and perversities of this type,—the man of mere brute force of will, the worshipper of power without any other ideal or higher purpose, the selfish, dominant personality, the aggressive violent rajasic man, the grandiose egoist, the Titan, Asura, Rakshasa.

[...]

And equally when we first become aware of the infinite Shakti above us or around or in us, the impulse of the egoistic sense in us is to lay hold on it and use this increased might for our egoistic purpose. This is a most dangerous thing, for it brings with it a sense and some increased reality of a great, sometimes a titanic power, and the rajasic ego, delighting in this sense of new enormous strength, may instead of waiting for it to be purified and transformed throw itself out in a violent and impure action and even turn us for a time or partially into the selfish and arrogant Asura using the strength given him for his own and not for the divine purpose: but on that way lies, in the end, if it is persisted in, spiritual perdition and material ruin.

Source: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~biedel/Victory/asura.html

This next selection is from Evening Talks with Sri Aurobindo:

Disciple: If the Asuras represent the dark side of God on the vital plane – does this dark side exist on every plane? If so, are there beings on the mental plane which correspond to the dark side?

Sri Aurobindo: The Asura is really the dark side of God on the mental plane. Mind is the very field of the Asura. His characteristic is egoistic strength, which refuses the Higher Law. The Asura has got Self-control, Tapas, intelligence, only, all that is for his ego. On the vital plane the corresponding forces we call the Rakshashas which represent violent passions and impulses. There are other beings on the vital plane which we call pramatta and piśacha and these; manifest, more or less, on the physico-vital plane.

Disciple: What is the corresponding being on the higher plane?

Sri Aurobindo: On the higher plane there are no Asuras – there the Truth prevails. There are "Asuras" there in the Vedic sense, – "beings with divine powers". The mental Asura is only a deviation of that power.

The work of the Asura has all the characteristics of mind in it. It is mind refusing to submit to the Higher Law; it is the mind in revolt. It works on the basis of ego and ignorance.

Disciple: What are the forces that correspond to the dark side of God on the physical plane?

Sri Aurobindo: They are what may be called the "elemental beings", or rather, obscure elemental forces – they are more "forces" than "beings". It is these that the Theosophists call the "Elementals". They are not individualised beings like the Asura and the Rakshasas, they are ignorant forces working oh the subtle physical plane.

[...]

Disciple: The term "Elemental" means that these work through the elements.

Sri Aurobindo: There are two kinds of "elementals": one mischievous and the other innocent. What the Europeans call the gnomes come under this category.

[...]

Sri Aurobindo: I did not say so; what I might have said is that there are conscious forces behind the diseases. Diseases are movements of forces.

Disciple: You said that some diseases feed on the vitality of man.

Sri Aurobindo: It is not diseases that feed on man's vitality. It may be a vital being sucking up man's vitality and the result may be a disease.

[...]

Disciple: Some of the Asuras are said to have practised Sadhana. What is their kind of Sadhana? You also said that they are very intelligent beings.

Sri Aurobindo: I never said that they have true ideas and great ideals and that they were great mental beings. What I said was that they were clever in carrying out their purpose, they know how to work out results.

[...]

Sri Aurobindo: In the case of Ravana, and also of Hiranya Kashipu, they were human beings who became Asuras and chose the path of opposition to the Divine. It is really a fall and it shows that the course of evolution for man is not to become an Asura. That is to say, the course of human evolution is not from the animal to the vital being and then to the Asura. Asuric life is regarded as a fall for man. If you got converted Asuric nature then you lose the chance of your evolution.

Source: http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/purani/2-0092.htm, http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/purani/2-0091.htm

This smacks of what the Gnostic scriptures illustrate and the information from Matus/Castandena.

Here are a few more from Aurobindo about the hostile forces. By the way, the vital corresponds to the astral or emotional body.

They [the hostile forces] come because they were freely permitted in the past - so they want to renew and continue their action. An entire rejection and a complete turning to the Divine are the way to meet them.

[...]

Yes, certainly. Men are being constantly invaded by the hostiles and there are great numbers of men who are partly or entirely under their influence. Some are possessed by them, others (a few) are incarnations of hostile beings. At the present moment they are very active all over the earth. Of course in the outside world there is no consciousness, such as is developed in yoga, by which they can either become aware of or consciously repel the attacks - the struggle in them between the psychic and the hostile force goes on mostly behind the veil or so far as it is on the surface is not understood by the mind.

[...]

The forces of the Ignorance are a perversion of the earth-nature and the adverse Powers make use of them. They do not give up their control of men without a struggle.

[...]

There is always this critical hostile voice in everybody's nature, questioning, reasoning, denying the experience itself, suggesting doubt of oneself and doubt of the Divine. One has to recognise it as the voice of the Adversary trying to prevent the progress and refuse credence to it altogether.

[...]

But when the suggestions come, surely it is possible to know from their very character what they are and that itself shows that they must come from wrong vital Forces. The only thing is that they must be at once rejected and the entry into your own mind and vital refused to them - i.e. they must not be accepted or allowed to influence. Very few have the direct occult perception of the Forces behind the suggestion - at least until the cosmic consciousness fully opens, for then direct perception becomes more easily possible, - but the mental understanding can be used with good effect.

[...]

Do not allow these suggestions to prevail. Each time these powers attack, if you hold them at bay, you gain an added force for progress. They attack and suggest to you a wrong understanding in the hope that, if you accept, their power to return on you will last a little longer. Do not allow them to prevail for however short a time.

[...]

That is very interesting - for it agrees with the Mother's constant insistence that to feel sympathy or any emotion of the weak philanthropic kind with those possessed by vital forces is most dangerous as it may bring an attack upon oneself which may take any form. One must do what is to be done but abstain from all such weakness.

[...]

Vital forces can attack the mind and do. Many receive suggestions from them through the brain, so it is quite possible that it may be felt as coming in through the head from above. That does not mean that it came from regions above the mind (higher Mind, intuition or overmind). Correct reasoning means no more than coherent argument from a certain standpoint and does not validate a fit of anger or indicate for it a non-adverse source.

[...]

There has been progress in all these parts, but they seem to be subject still to a response to the suggestions of the hostile forces. Everybody gets these suggestions, but they ought not to be allowed to enter inside, especially in the heart, or to be accepted by the vital. Evidently, they enter through the physical mind (from the throat upwards meant that) and affect the surface vital and emotional being. You must get the power to reject them from there by a constant and steady denial and refusal of their suggestions. So long as anything in you says “yes” or accepts, there is always the possibility of a return.

[...]

It is not sincerity to express only what the adverse forces suggest or what you feel when you are in a bad condition, full of obscurity and a wrong outlook. When you are in the Truth, you feel quite the opposite and it is not insincerity to cling to that and recall it. It is only by bringing it back that the Truth can grow in you.

[...]

Naturally, the hostile forces are always on the watch to rob what they can of the things received by the sadhak, - not that they profit by them but they prevent them from being used to build up the Divine in life.

[...]

There are two things that make it impossible for them [the hostile forces] to succeed even temporarily in any attack on the mind or the vital - first, an entire love, devotion and confidence that nothing can shake, secondly, a calm and equality in the vital as well as in the mind which has become the fundamental character of the inner nature. Suggestions then may still come, things go wrong outside, but the being remains invulnerable. Either of these two things is sufficient in itself - and in proportion as they grow, even the existence of the hostile forces becomes less and less of a phenomenon of the inner life - though they may still be there in the outer atmosphere.

Source: http://intyoga.online.fr/hostile.htm

a quote from that material you posted. This is why when we have these contentious go rounds, I'm like OMG you are LYING TO me.

People who walk around and drip love. Same thing. Narcissism to the extreme.

Arguing mental values with just stupid emotional values X and X =X but it doesn't count because your mad. And we all know they get away with it because (a laundry list of rationalizations)

But we are taught these out of control emotional states are emotion=normal.

Those who are healthy in their emotions are perceived as mad, angry, aloof, uncaring.

People who really are healthy in the emotional body are attacked for being that way.

Something is 'wrong' with them. Yes. It gives less of 'their' mind to feed from. That's wrong to not feed the foot soldier of the powers that be hierarchy.

Healthy self respect and self authority is turned into ego, narcissism, arrogance, superiority complex. Self respect and self authority are things that threaten 'their mind'.

"Beware of emotions. The emotional person is turned off sensually. His body is a churning robot. Emotions are addictive, narcotic, and stupefacient. Moods such as sorrow and joy accompany emotions. Like a junkie who has just connected, the emotional person feels good when he has scored emotionally, i.e., put someone down or been beaten down. Conscious love is not an emotion; it is the serene merging with yourself, with other people, with other forms of energy. Love cannot exist in an emotional state. Emotions are emergency alarms.....The presocial wily-animal god of emotion-locomotion resides within our nervous system, ready to pour out flight-fight endocrine juices (p97)."—T. Leary



[QUOTE=Amzer Zo;614916][CENTER]...

"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), founder of analytical psychology

"Insanity -- a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world."
R. D. Lang

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.... I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends ... and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it."
John Lennon, Interview BBC-TV (June 22, 1968)

More quotes about insanity here: http://www.cancertutor.com/Quotes/Quotes_Insanity.html

Just bookmarking a great thread! Thanks 9eagle9!:)

Ahh but the meme got into humility too. There isn't a single virtue left that the virus hasn't attached itself to.

People live in a state of constant humiliation. For the reason I just described, they appear to be the responsible party in the 'their' mind' bait and switch game. Their mind convinces them its a good idea broad cast their insane ideas so the rational can say "I'm not buying that for very rational reasons". Then they squawk that their feelings are hurt but the next day are at it again.


Humility is really just allowing something higher than your sorry existence to express through you without judging it or letting 'their mind' get hold of it. Keeping the house the way it was intended to be kept.

Humbling yourself before God is one thing, humbling yourself before 'their' mind is exactly what they want.

As opposed to the sort of humility taught today, pull on your forelock and mumble yes sir yes sir three bags full sir so the their mind has a safe environment.

There isn't a single virtue, craft, philosophy, means that has not been infiltrated by them. Because the people that learn them have their mind and the first thing the mind does is change anything that would benefit anyone into a glob of uselessness. The only way they become funcitonal again is to get in your right mind and then use them.

Reiki? As soon as it left Japan all the Buddhist principles, which were sound, rational, were scrubbed out of the modality because it might upset Christians (their mind). It used to be tapping, pounding, massaging, brushing a person. Now its standing with your hands spread over and humming. Meridian work used to be the core of Reiki, now its never mentioned but has become all about chakra flogging.

ALL SELF Healing properties of Reiki, were edited out. Self healing become 'run energy into your chakras' which amounts to run some water in your sink and you'll be all better.

Tarot Cards. Basic Ryder-Waite deck still has all the or most of the original archetypical images in that are there for a reason .

Now we have Hello Kitty Tarot.

Quote:

---

Posted by another bob

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

Envy.

---

Yep, one of the major poisons, before greed, before hatred . . . hard to root out, difficult, but possible.

The main antitdote -- humility, which makes real compassion possible.


helpful notes here: http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.ph...k=view&id=1562

---

It does compliment the thread, wherever you look these days people are calling this thousands of years old subterfuge out, albeit in different terms, they all merge eventually into basically the same thing, total control. On the physical, emotional, mental level. On the biological level. Genetic level. How much does 'their' mind sound like the reptile mind. That is why perhaps people see reptile entities all over, its the inhabited constructs of 'their' mind.

Here is a corroborating collection of excerpts from Sri Aurobindo -- I think these compliment the thread (and the underlying theme that ties this thread into others like it). The first quote is from Mirra Alfassa, the rest are from Aurobindo.


Most people who have even a bit of access to the correct mind, can see how this operates in their daily life. The only thing I can say is trust what your correct mind is telling you because a pack of 'their' minds will descendent on you and tell you , you are wrong.

It would seem that all the adverse, anti-divine forces, the forces of the vital world, have descended on the earth, are making use of it as their field of action, and that at the same time a new, higher, more powerful spiritual force has also descended on earth to bring it a new life. This makes the struggle more acute, more violent, more visible, but it seems also more definitive, and that is why we can hope to reach an early solution.

The war in heaven comes to earth, as it above so it is below. And that creates conflict. There is no conflict as I noted early on in this post when correct minds are gathered. Disagreement yes, but correct minds don't create conflict. Put 'their' mind in the mix and conflict is created.

That goes back to being portals for divine energy. The organic portal. You can be an organic or physical portal for 'their' mind, the collective conscioucness or hive mind. Or you can be a portal for somethng cleaner.

One only needs to get into the right mind to do that. You suddenly seem divine, you have greater intelligence, intuition, energy moves through you more easily, suddenly you have god like powers. Transformation, ascencsion, no .

All you did is go to your correct mind. All the crap that 'their' mind promises is already there in the right mind. It does no good to try to use in in their mind.

This war is conducted in our daily lives. One never knows when they are going to set of the 'mine' of their mind. Usually reason, practicality, common sense, character. Something dark rules this planet that's for sure.

Wars. One who was truly on what is called a spiritual path which is basically no more than getting into your right mind would take the side of divine power. One would do that simply by going into the right mind. It knows what to do.

Our Character has been turned into Caricature. That is why character is attacked all the time and others try to make an inhabited construct of a person, trying to bend them into the mold of a caricature.

Instead its protected. It's crazy making to watch people half way in their right mind all disgruntled and peevish over the conflict 'their' mind creates and then goes and chastises the right mind for creating it. The right mind can't create conflict....lol. Then they wonder why more conflict is created. Right minds can get along with each other. "Their' minds as much as they are a collective can't because its energy is looshed by envy, greed and that creates competition and conflict.

So even those people who are feebly trying to herd the sheep are self defeating themselves. Conflict is not abated by cutting out the right mind, their' minds just turn on each other.

Its abated by cultivating right minds.


People will lose everything, they've already lost their minds, until they get into the correct mind. The one intended for them. And that is how soul harvesting is initiated. By agreement. Not by force, or some insidious magick at work. People agree to it.

Quote Vivek- The gift of rajas is kinetic force, energy, activity, the power that creates and acts and can overcome; but it moves in the wrong lights or the half-lights of the Ignorance and it is perverted by the touch of the Asura, Rakshasa and Pishacha.

That more than accurately describes how their mind corrupts and perverts purer thought, spiritual practices, clear traditions in metaphysics, energy work, etc as I described earlier. Meditation then just means transcending into their mind. ...lol. Oh boy.



@ Vivek: And equally when we first become aware of the infinite Shakti above us or around or in us, the impulse of the egoistic sense in us is to lay hold on it and use this increased might for our egoistic purpose. This is a most dangerous thing, for it brings with it a sense and some increased reality of a great, sometimes a titanic power, and the rajasic ego, delighting in this sense of new enormous strength, may instead of waiting for it to be purified and transformed throw itself out in a violent and impure action and even turn us for a time or partially into the selfish and arrogant Asura using the strength given him for his own and not for the divine purpose: but on that way lies, in the end, if it is persisted in, spiritual perdition and material ruin.

Yeah. Modwiz remarked to me that people who experience Kundalini events, the first thing they do is shake off the energy and they suddenly 'know' everything. They don't. For the reasons described in the above paragraph. The event happened while their 'mind' was still in power. So thus power is abused. But abuse is a virtue now so its okay. But they go marching out and start dictating to people what they should do. Their mind is still running the show but know it has shakti to power it. Yay, the monster became the super monster.

The bolded portion of the bottom of the paragraph is basically where we are now.

Material and spiritual ruin. Ruin on the physical and spiritual level.

That is where we are collectively. As individuals people in their right mind are not experiencing this.

I was casting about for a way to talk about thought forms or inhabited constructs or an example. And I got a call for a reading this morning that was an inhabited construct.

My friend has a neck issue and has to see the chiro a lot. She is a correct mind sort of person, so she went to the chiro, who couldn't help her. So she knows its not a chiro issue, or rather the chiro issue is just the symptom of the problem. Her husband felt she might have picked something up somewhere. So she calls me. Tells me when the pain started and who she was with when the pain started. I didn't get anything from the woman she was with but the place they were in. And the name Katherine.

My friend had no idea who Katherine was. So I said, she was in the space that you visited, the woman you visited is in a place where a lot of pain comes and goes. Someone left something there and it jumped on you.

Then my friend is like 'Oh ****' we had our meeting in her new office that used to be a chiropractice clinic!"

So there we go. Someone named Katherine visited her chiropractor in the past when the space my friend was in was chiro office. I'd imagine a lot of painful ideas come in and out of someplace like that. With the same sort of pain, that was similar to my friends condition. Everyone has an idea about their pain, the longer they have it the more its inhabited, so the pain starts inhabiting the idea. An inhabited construct , or thought form. She gets some relief from the pain from the Chiro so she no longer inhabits the thought form. It detaches from her but most people (or chiropractors) are not excorcists, so do nothing but let the thought form dangle out there.

I do KNOW chiros who clear their offices and even in the right way but not so many of them, anymore than a doctor would. Imagine how much crap someone picks up at a hospital.


So it stays there, and someone like my friend walks in with a similar issue and the thought form senses that familiar issue so latches on in magnetic attraction. My friends pain is similar than its previous hosts so it figures thats where it belongs. It's familiar to it. No evil intentions, it is a psychic attack but its not an intentioned one.

Loooooosh, sluurp splat my friend has an attachment now. But she's in her RIGHT mind so has some idea what to do.

So now she is armed with a basic thorough understand of HER pain, which is not her pain at all. She understands the problem. Just a pain that latched on because her pain seemed familiar. Wound resonance.

So the RX is understand the problem, thoroughly and the solution just 'appears' like magick. There is no problem really, its not her problem. To start feeling that it is a problem will re-inhabit it.

Now she can go to the chiro and have some relief from the real cause of the pain if the removal of the thought form itself doesn't correct entirely the situation. It couldn't be abated by adjustment because the thought form would settle again. It wants the pain to stay there because that is what is most familiar to it. The pain has an organic template, a weakness in the physical body which typically doesn't bother her until 'something' settled in there and started farming.

Remove the energy, the emotion, clearing, one is just left with an empty shell a nothings sort of thought.

So I'm holding a painful, pain in the neck thoughtform. Draw the pain out of it. It doesn't belong anywhere but it has to go somewhere.

So do we hope that i'm in my right mind and I don't toss it to the four winds or should I be in my left mind when I, ahem, take care of this thing?

Fortunately this isn't a situation where majority rules otherwise there'd be a infinite amount of this crap rolling around.

Thank you for this thread 9eagle9 as it is one of the most profound threads to come on this forum in a while. One can begin to see now why the world is so insane and how insidious "their" mind is. One can see how easy it has been for "their" mind to infiltrate the mind's of the masses. Political correctness is an excellent example of "their" mind.

Politics, policy is a form of polite

Remember we must always be polite to 'their' mind that is destroying us. It's a policy everywhere and enforced by police.

lol.

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

Ahh but the meme got into humility too. There isn't a single virtue left that the virus hasn't attached itself to.

People live in a state of constant humiliation. For the reason I just described, they appear to be the responsible party in the 'their' mind' bait and switch game. Their mind convinces them its a good idea broad cast their insane ideas so the rational can say "I'm not buying that for very rational reasons". Then they squawk that their feelings are hurt but the next day are at it again.


Humility is really just allowing something higher than your sorry existence to express through you without judging it or letting 'their mind' get hold of it. Keeping the house the way it was intended to be kept.

Humbling yourself before God is one thing, humbling yourself before 'their' mind is exactly what they want.

As opposed to the sort of humility taught today, pull on your forelock and mumble yes sir yes sir three bags full sir so the their mind has a safe environment.

There isn't a single virtue, craft, philosophy, means that has not been infiltrated by them. Because the people that learn them have their mind and the first thing the mind does is change anything that would benefit anyone into a glob of uselessness.

---

Hiya Chelley!

We apparently have two differing views on what constitutes true humility. I would offer that real humility is not a matter of humilation, or humbling oneself berfore a higher power, but entails the recognition that I do not really know what anything is. In fact, I exist in total state of not knowing, this is my fundamental condition, and so "their mind" has no place to plant a flag. From that place of not knowing, I can see things as they are, without the superimposition of provisional knowledge, which indeed is infected with ego-mind.

To believe that the virus is all-powerful is to indulge in the very sense of humiliation you are talking about, and such sense of doubt precludes the possibility of freedom (which is exactly what "their mind" wants). Granted, few are currently capable of true humility to the extent that they are living "don't know mind" 24/7, but that's why we are practicing in realms like this -- to learn how to do it (through the disciplines of silence and non-dwelling, for example), and to recognize the consequences when we don't. It does require an impeccable integrity, but we have access to great help in that endeavor -- there are many gifts we are constantly receiving to awaken us to our true nature.

True humility IS "getting in your right mind", in other words, and so does indeed represent a viable option, but is only genuine when it is based on the recognition that all methods, schemes, and escape plans one has employed are destined to fail, as long as one is basing them on the presumed reality of a permanent and subtantial person, a "me".

When we try to pin it down, the very self that was believed in need of salvation, awakening, and enlightenment, cannot actually be found. All along, we’ve been trying to modify a phantom, a completely fictional character, composed of bundles of thoughts and memories, but with no inherent and enduring substance. Sri Nisargadatta sums this up succinctly:

“Think for a moment: who is thinking in terms of transformation, changing from one state to another; in terms of self-improvement? Surely, it is nothing other than an appearance in consciousness, a character in a movie, an individual in a dream — a dreamed pseudo-entity considering itself subject to the workings of Karma. How could such a dreamed character ‘perfect’ itself into anything other than its dreamed self? How could a shadow perfect itself into its substance? How could there be any ‘awakening’ from the dream, except for the dreamer to re-solve the true identity of the source of the dream, the manifestation?”

When the implications of this realization finally sink in, the whole momentum of the struggle begins to collapse in on itself, and what we are left with is a kind of natural acceptance. When we are no longer committed to a war with it, we find that we can accept this life, just as it is, and in that forgiving acceptance, come to welcome whatever appears without compulsive grasping, clinging, or avoidance.

In such openness, we gradually notice that everyone and everything is included in this welcoming embrace — not based upon an ideal of love, but anchored in the very clear recognition that loving is the only possible response to life that truly satisfies the heart and returns us to the peace that is our natural and native condition, prior to the adventure of seeking and knowing.
We can surrender trying to be “knowers” (and the fear that not knowing once implied), without imagining ourselves to be some problem in need of a final solution, and without the guilt-filled need of purification, restoration, re-distribution, or transmigration to a superior metaphysical plane. In fact, despite our warts and bumps and goofs, we can be happy.

When we come to rest in the slipstream of total insecurity, complete not knowing, then we become a demonstration of that possibility in the midst of the haunted restlessness that humanity shares in common.

Such deep resting transmutes the inner conflict into creative life force – it was the struggle all along that merely distracted and complicated life’s natural flowing energy, dividing itself against itself in futile efforts to grasp itself, to hold on and not let go, even unto death.

The death of that struggle is the birth of Love, unconditional Love. Unconditional because it is not bound by destiny or contrived design, it is free, selfless real Love, submitted to this dying into life without reluctance or regret.

Yes, at last we can face our own death – the death of fixed belief, of idealistic hope, arrogant pride, the death of poisonous reactivity such as envy, greed, and hatred, the death of any identification, any self-image, any perceived or conceived limitation on our infinite nature, and all in order to demonstrate for each other the Principle that is not touched by death, not touched by impermanence.

This is the perfect service we can render to each other — just being what we are. That is enough. It has always been, and will always be, enough.

The self inhabited construction versus self reflection.

There’s a principle of self-reflection that states: if something in someone else is bothering you, you must own it. You spot it you got it? Right?

Not always.Most times naught. Self reflection is only helpful for people in their right mind.

People in their correct mind are annoyed by the insane. They are exhausting, they ruin every good conversation, every party, every solution with their sanity. Everything becomes a drama for 'their' mind to feed on.

They hold the matrix in place and then whine constantly because its there. Urging YOU to do something about it when they are doing it. So when you do something about it you threaten ‘their’ mind. Then they go back to demanding something must change.

Becoming annoyed by insanity is a fairly healthy emotion. So their mind likes this idea of self reflection as a tool of self excavation. It can’t use it but it can manipulate others with the concept.

When you thus become annoyed by them then they can absolve themselves of all blame.

“They are blameless you are just angry”. (or someother emotion they label as appalling, even though they live there themeslves)

“ You are just seeing your own anger in them.” (Again this makes 'their' mind blameless)

If one is annoyed by insanity their mind will try to convince them they are insane because they are annoyed. So the greater portion of blame lies with the ‘right’ mind. the right mind doesn’t buy this **** because…it’s the right mind. It’s operating correctly and knows this is insanity.

Don’t blame the right mind for doing its job. That’s what it is there for.

So the moment you protest insanity, violation, matrix building and crazy making **** its cast right back at you. YOUR FAULT. “Their “mind is blameless.

No, and this is why. The right mind is always more intelligent on its own than a zillion ‘their’ minds. It is essentially ONE mind expressed through many different people. That is why the new age program of oneness is so appealing. Of course it will never work with ‘their’ mind. It only promotes a competitive environment. A war environment.

You can't fight with them. It's frowned on. But if you don't fight with them that's wrong too....lol.

Looking at one’s own self inhabited construct is going to reflect you back. You created it, you empowered it with your emotions, what else would it reflect back? It’s not going to reflect someone else back, its just going to mirror back ‘their’ mind that created it. Hate, envy, anger. Remember the ‘their’ mind hates its host. It only cuts you some slack when you are doing what it wants you to do. If you aren’t its going to prod you into LOOSH mode.

The “reflection cast back by others is you” is only merited if other is not doing something wrong. Getting angry at someone who not doing something wrong is a little irrational. The REAL mirror inside will say to you, "Hey self, you're being a little irrational"

The their mind will never do this.

Look at a person raping a baby. Is that wrong. Yes. Are you angry. If you are in your right mind you are. If you go into forgiveness mode right then you are corrupt, and sick. Sorry you are. And there’s not a person in their right mind who will disagree with me. Not that agreement is necessary to make that so.

Or..do you say to yourself, I’m only angry because I’m a baby raper myself. Even though you are not. But that is what the baby raper with ‘their’ mind will tell you. "You can’t judge me because you are just seeing me in yourself."

That is insane thinking and only the insane would feel that. The right mind KNOWs (not feels) that is wrong.

Obviously people who are insane and being inhabited by ‘their mind’ are wrong. They are not even natural anymore.

If you have an idea about someone and then inhabit it with emotion, anger, hate, greed, envy, when you look at other people who are not really engaged in that sort of thing but are operating within the parameters of the right mind you will only see your own inhabited construction.

Again this goes back to pre-judice. You pre judge a person enough and all you will see is your inhabited construct.

You built it, you inhabited it with YOUR emotions. What else will you expect to see but yourself within. That is the filter you look through. You see what you are composed of. Their mind.

That’s all you will see when you look at anyone it doesn’t matter if they are doing anything wrong or not. If they are agreeing with you and further inhabiting that construct you won’t be see them as such, they are bringing a like energy to your construct.

If you are in your right mind and someone is annoying you are they doing something wrong? If so then you can rightfully be annoyed.

If not…then we look inside.

If not is when you bring out the self-reflection excavation.

The right mind will say okay this person isn’t doing anything wrong yet I’m annoyed by them. Why? Then begin that process to lend to self-understanding. The 'their' mind doesn’t care if anyone is doing anything wrong or not. Hang the innocent with the guilty as far as its concernced as long as it's hide is preserved and remains hidden.

the thing is. Once you get in your right mind, the 'their' mind has no place to hide. It hates anyone who sees it, attacks anyone who sees it and blames everyone who sees it at work.

There are people I work with who begin to annoy me. They aren’t doing anything wrong, they are doing the exact same thing I am. Doing their job. Yet every time they do their job I get more annoyed... why? I’m doing my job but I’m not having quite the success they are with it. O h so there’s a LACK issue here, my dear. Are they taking something from you? NO. But..everytime they open their mouth I’m reminded of lack. My lack. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing, so apparently I have an issue. Admittedly that is insane.

I am able to preserve my job (and my credibility) by not screaming at them “Oh you think you are so superior! “ which is what I FEEL like doing. But that would be insane. It has nothing to do with them being superior. They are only doing their job…better than me..lol.

A simple 10 minute process and I’m fine, their fine (they were never the problem anyway), and then my situation resolves itself. Suddenly the energy shifts and I’m successful again. In fact the next day they are in my shoes , not doing so well.

I can commiserate I’ve been there. And i’d be annoyed if they blamed me for not doing so well.

Conversely when a person who is in their right mind attempts to communicate or interact with someone in ‘their ‘ mind the first thing they are confronted with is the inhabited construct. Or what people call masks.. That which those in their mind created. It can’t be ours because we didn’t create it. Blaming us for their creation is usually the norm.

9eagle, thanks for this thread. I once knew a very egotistical man (who knew everything and was better than everybody) who decided he would jump on the new age spirituality bandwagon. Right off the bat he wanted to be everyone's guru, bow down to me, I know everything, I know more than you, I am better than you. I said to him, "You've missed the point."

After Sandyhook I realized that America had missed the point. It's not about guns. One could look at the zillion ways all this crazy thinking has been sanctioned, sanctified, codified, excused, rationalized, and made acceptable in this world, and we might understand why the guy(s) did it. But as to the point as I see it, I've not heard one person say "Don't you think the parents in Syria-Libya-Afghanistan-Africa-South America-Canada-North America-and wherever else in the world, love the children that we kill and mourn them, too? Your children are not special, they're just yours. Wake up!"

I'm ashamed of us that all we see is a gun issue.

As to "rational," you can create a logic-chain any way you want to and justify anything just by the meanings you give to words. They've been screwing with the language for a while now to make unacceptable definitions the norm. Since the same people remain in charge, apparently nobody is noticing that their mind has taken the "rational" mind off on some fantasy island vacation of its own creation. "We need to tear down those rainforests to create more jobs. !!! And by damn we're going to do it, no matter what logic-chain you're using to argue with us."

Bob, that's not really what is being talked about here. What real humility is. How humility services me is going to be different because I'm not you. Then people squabble about perceptions. Humility serves right minded people in different ways. The individual . My humility won't serve you...lol. And mine won't serve you.

What the crux of the matter is ...what 'their' mind wants you/us/everyone to think it is.

I appreciate the concepts that you put forward.

unfortunately it goes back to..no one can understand them until they are in their right mind.

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

Bob, that's not really what is being talked about here. What real humility is.

---

Hi again Chel!

The comments on humility were in response to your original notes on "envy", to which I was suggesting that humility can serve as an effective antidote, that's all.

Quote:

---

..no one can understand them until they are in their right mind.

---

Agreed, so what works? What enables us to resume/re-gain our natural innocence, freeing us from the foreign installation? As I was suggesting in my comments, the disciplines of silence and non-dwelling, born out of inquiry and the recognition of not-knowing (humility), are powerful tools at our disposal for stripping away the delusion.

Thanks again for your ongoing inquiry into these critical matters!

Quote:

---

Posted by 9eagle9

Now we have Hello Kitty Tarot.

---

http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/694....340472621.jpg


Holy Crap. I wondered if you were kidding. I can't say how much this appeals to my irreverence/reverence.