THE MIRACLE OF L RON HUBBARD'S TECHNOLOGY the end phenomenon that occurred

this needs to be a new thread ... because it talks about phenomenon not someones personality and what the result was from this phenomenon.

Running a person back through time to the exact first incident of a painful incident that keeps repeating itself through time ERASES that chain.
the E meter measures resistance to electric energy in the body ... this resistance a dead female body has to electricity is different than that of a male.
but thoughts can raise this resistance to a very high level .... when you find the first time a person experienced a particular incident and you get the person to view it exactly what it is ... the entire chain of these same type incidents will ERASE.
when ever you ask that question again you will not find any resistance on the meter
example: .. what have you ever had to do with Jail? The first incidence of this took me back to 750 ad ... in a castle in France where I took off someone's head with a sword and I ended up in the dungeons ... that is my first time in jail

I had police always pull me over and hold me up for a long time thinking I was some kind of criminal and after I erased this chain of pictures the cops never bothered me again ..
the fact that you can not get a reading on the e meter proves the chain of pictures were erased.

this means GONE FOREVER unless you start a new chain but it would be a new time.

LRH had rules that NOTHING was to stop auditing ... if someone stopped auditing because of some sex betrayal .. then they would put the people in ethics ...

What did this do for ALL MAN KIND . .. all the books sent out had the methods to audit in them ...

so there are millions of Russian people that were auditing and are auditig just using the book of dianetics ..

so erasing these chains ERASES them permanently and does not go into the future ...

the more chains you erase the more free theta you release to this universe ... so all the money when he was here was used to sell books and get people auditing anywhere in any country because erasing the pictures with dianetics would make a person clear ... when you are clear all the pictures are turned to concepts ...

WHAT DOES THIS DO????
1 more free theta everywhere ..
2 no more repeat painful experiences of the same chain
3 it is like removing the effects of the automatic recording machine
is is like making people more closer to being like a star child indigo crystal rainboe

he said any auditing is better than no auditing ... this would erase enough of the worlds memories that repeat and change the future ...

it worked ... and it stopped the reptilians from taking over this galaxy and even though we are doing it now 367 years in the past it will ripple through the future and with the tech in the future we can literally alter anything we want to alter fo this physical universe ...

he took an entire 80 trillion year bad dream and stopped it and helped make it possible to make a better physical universe and stop the wars ane etc ...

SO THIS IS THE MIRACLE . by phenomenon ... that occurred by continuous auditig
even David Miscavage was unable to see it ... he couldn't stop scientology that fast and he had to follow the rules of stats and getting mroe done and he wouldn't be able to stop the tech that fast .... so by continuing to run scientology and continuing to audit people in droves ... he helped erase the timelines memories so he literally done himself in ... and he was too stupid to see it.

auditing doesn't just erase one painful incident ... it erases the entire chain that could go back billions of years ...

so it doesn't matter what anyone can say about his personality or anyone else's ... all this auditing world wide even from the huge push of book sales salvage this sector of the universe ... IT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO IT FOR 80 TRILLION YEARS ...

so please look at the result ... not all the negative stuff everyone talks about

jim

That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

Wikipedia says it "measures electrical resistance and skin conductance [...] [and] has never been subject to clinical trials." So you use that device to determine 'where a person is at' in regard to his or her overall state of being, and you measure how a person reacts when confronted with whatever?

You're saying that auditing is the key to erase the chains that enslave us, right? That doesn't have to be done though in the framework of LRH's terms, I figure, when it's after all nothing else than processing past life experiences?

So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

Hi Jim
I do remember reading about this many years ago and your post here just let me recall a bit, it seems to me to be quite feasible but not that new.

I do a fair amount of counseling in the spiritual field and use a similar technique with quite good results...Without going into detail...I basically let the person step back and answer his/her own questions from a third person angle...by going back with the answers...in other words we don't solve the problem...as a future event...by finding.. solutions to the effect...but rather move back in time to the cause. This is exactly what karma is, in it's true sense. So from this angle this technique you are describing is a lot older than Mr Hubbard's revelation of it...I would give him credit in as much as he might probably have been attempting to westernize the ageless wisdom.

The chain you talk of is what I have experienced as been an inclusive essence of the persons subtle bodies...in the form of karma. Of course karma is actually a vibrational issue in it's esoteric sense and this is what Scientology is attempting to correct by normalizing the vibration in the complex subtle body of a person...this is nothing new, and is the goal of all true spiritual teaching.

So it would seems to me that the thinking behind this technique might be sound and would be of value to some in life...provided of course...that we have spiritually evolved persons doing the auditing.

Now as far as erasing time lines billions of years ago...all I would like to say here is that this is an error IMO. Auditing is not erasing the timeline of billions of years ago...they will forever be in the ether...what it is doing is correcting or changing the effect of the timeline with a new timeline at the time of the 'correction'. I always wonder if people are in fact thinking straight when they believe they can entirely wipe out past events with new events. A timeline is just a point of choice. What you might have said was that we are continually correcting millions of years of ignorance and wrong thinking as we continually seek greater awareness and understanding and wisdom. This is exactly what evolution is about.

The last thing I would offer is that I get the impression that, you seem to be under the impression that humans, as we think of them now, in this iron age, have been active for trillions of years in a similar state of awareness. Where did evolution get lost in the process? 80 trillion years ago Mr Hubbard was most likely incarnated into some form which would not even be a savage forerunner to the intellectual human state we see now.

Take care
Ray

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Posted by christian

That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

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Past life regressions and "karma" clearing have some therapeutic values but are only rough precursor techniques of the processes developed, thanks to the E-meter, in that, with these techniques there is no certainty one has reached the bottom of a chain of similar incidents down to its "basic" incident, i.e. the first incident of the kind that started the chain along with the life decision/wish/thought/postulate that created or caused that incident in the first place as well as the decisions/conclusions/directions derived as a result of that basic incident.

Hence, more often that not, these precursor techniques not only restimulate (trigger into action) all the "implant" chains that used hypnosis for their implanting and turn those chain live again in the here and now but also, very likely, leave the "basic" on the chain unaddressed and fully restimulated.

Accordingly, IMO, the "karma" school of thought and its inherent "Earth is a big school where one learns lessons" to explain away bad things happening to "good" people, is a bloody cosmic psyop that has nothing to do with the actual price of fish: the erasure of the basic on a chain... along with the erasure of the life decision/wish/postulate which caused it in the first place and also erasing the ensuing decisions/conclusions.

The E-Meter allows one to check if there is still some "charge" left in a basic incident until clear of "charge," i.e. "erased" with its accompanying "end phenomena" of a "floating needle" and a relieved, happy individual; or not in restimulation anymore, i.e. "keyed out" like a plug-in or a subroutine program can be "disabled" in a computer but still in existence although de-activated for the time being and until the next "session".

Unless past lives regressions and karma clearing address and handle these things, the only thorough methods I have found so far are the one described in Dianetics or the method used by Steve Richards who addresses "spirit" directly in order to handle whatever needs to be handled.

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?


I am interested to find out Jim's point of view to aniN's question.

And most of all... I'd like to read Jim's continuation of the story that he has started to tell us in this thread ...

Anyone know where to find a first edition, unaltered, ..pdf of dianetics?

Hubbard invented nothing. The e-meter is nothing more than a stripped down variant of the polygraph except where a polygraph measures heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure and electrodermal activity, the e-meter measures electrodermal activity only (electrical conductivity of the skin reliant on moisture level). It was invented in the 1940s by a chiropractor named Volney Mathison (a fan of dianetics). The name on the patent application for the first e-meter was that of L. Ron Hubbard but according to Hubbard's son Ronald: "My father obtained the rights to the E-meter in1952 from Volney Mathison in the same manner that he does everything - through fraud and coercion." Hubbard's patent is for a modified version of Mathison's device that was developed by Scientologists Don Breeding and Joe Wallis in 1958.

At this point in time there is no empirical evidence that provides proof that this so-called miraculous piece of tech does anything more than measure whether you are “sweating” of not, and to what extent this is affecting the potential for electrical conductance of the skin. It can be used by a person who may or may not have innate psychic abilities, or an understanding of the human psyche to apparently “see” thoughts. One can imagine that the auditing process has made more than a few people sweat, and there are more than a few people who can read or see the thoughts of others without the aid of an expensive and fundamentally crude piece of equipment.

This is not my understanding of “miraculous”, and the e-meter was not invented by Hubbard, so I request the moderators change the name of this thread because it is misleading.

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Anyone know where to find a first edition, unaltered, ..pdf of dianetics?

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here you go. EBAY of course. : ) I guess this is what your looking for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubbard-L-Ro...item53f51d0eaa

Good restimulation job, jim! :)

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Posted by Amzer Zo

Good restimulation job, jim! :)

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restimulation: the “awakening” of an old engram, which occurs when a person’s present environment contains enough similarities to the elements found in the engram to cause a reactivation of it. When an engram is restimulated, a person can experience similar pains and emotions to those contained in the original incident.
http://www.whatisscientology.org/htm.../pg1023-b.html

stimulus-response: given a certain stimulus, something will automatically give a certain response.
http://www.scientologymyths.info/def...finitions.html

Cute...Have I been "restimulated" too?

I dont feel very stimulated... especially when so many questions have still gone unanswered ;)

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That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

Wikipedia says it "measures electrical resistance and skin conductance [...] [and] has never been subject to clinical trials." So you use that device to determine 'where a person is at' in regard to his or her overall state of being, and you measure how a person reacts when confronted with whatever?

You're saying that auditing is the key to erase the chains that enslave us, right? That doesn't have to be done though in the framework of LRH's terms, I figure, when it's after all nothing else than processing past life experiences?

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we are talking about the concept ... dianetics from the book erases chains too .. go back to the first incident type stuff ... the recordings around the head are actual physical universe mass energy space and time too ... MEST or you wouldn't be able to measure it on an ohm meter ... the e meter is an ohm meter that is designed to find a small piece of the resistance blown up so you can see needle movement .. if you read the resistance with a regular ohm meter you will only see the general overall resistance ... so you will not see the small changes of a piece taken out of that resistance ... so if you are reading 6 million ohms .. you need to be able to get a small piece of that 6 million ohms to get a meter movement going

jim

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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they run a list of questions on you to see which one gets the biggest meter reads ... these will be areas of your life that have a lot of charge like electrical charge in your life. there has been times where there is so much charge from an incident .. it blew holes in the cans ... so the art of auditing is to take off the less charged areas first until enough is gone that you can go to the heavier stuff without blowing holes in the cans or melting the wires or turning the meter into a pile of dust.

jim

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Posted by TheVoyager

There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

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no I am not acquainted with that tech ... but I am sure that the new technology coming from the stars is going to be very advanced ... trying to audit out one spirit with a lot of timelines they had to redo the technology because the newer processes I am getting from my perceptions is going to go back to the spirit itself ... now the spirit itself can not see this physical universe and that's why it needs a viewpoint .. it needs this viewpoint designed to not know everything about the physical universe so it will be able to see it .. because if it KNOWS what it is exactly it will vanish on him .. so we have to use what I am getting from these perceptions a different type of meter or method for the spirit to be able to read all the timelines he or she created ..it is like if you get a viewpoint out of the body it knows how to heal the body ... but we have to go before viewpoints and be able to see all the timelines and so we need better tech created to do that ..

does this answer your question?

jim

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Hi Jim
I do remember reading about this many years ago and your post here just let me recall a bit, it seems to me to be quite feasible but not that new.

I do a fair amount of counseling in the spiritual field and use a similar technique with quite good results...Without going into detail...I basically let the person step back and answer his/her own questions from a third person angle...by going back with the answers...in other words we don't solve the problem...as a future event...by finding.. solutions to the effect...but rather move back in time to the cause. This is exactly what karma is, in it's true sense. So from this angle this technique you are describing is a lot older than Mr Hubbard's revelation of it...I would give him credit in as much as he might probably have been attempting to westernize the ageless wisdom.

The chain you talk of is what I have experienced as been an inclusive essence of the persons subtle bodies...in the form of karma. Of course karma is actually a vibrational issue in it's esoteric sense and this is what Scientology is attempting to correct by normalizing the vibration in the complex subtle body of a person...this is nothing new, and is the goal of all true spiritual teaching.

So it would seems to me that the thinking behind this technique might be sound and would be of value to some in life...provided of course...that we have spiritually evolved persons doing the auditing.

Now as far as erasing time lines billions of years ago...all I would like to say here is that this is an error IMO. Auditing is not erasing the timeline of billions of years ago...they will forever be in the ether...what it is doing is correcting or changing the effect of the timeline with a new timeline at the time of the 'correction'. I always wonder if people are in fact thinking straight when they believe they can entirely wipe out past events with new events. A timeline is just a point of choice. What you might have said was that we are continually correcting millions of years of ignorance and wrong thinking as we continually seek greater awareness and understanding and wisdom. This is exactly what evolution is about.

The last thing I would offer is that I get the impression that, you seem to be under the impression that humans, as we think of them now, in this iron age, have been active for trillions of years in a similar state of awareness. Where did evolution get lost in the process? 80 trillion years ago Mr Hubbard was most likely incarnated into some form which would not even be a savage forerunner to the intellectual human state we see now.

Take care
Ray

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we are not erasing timelines ... what I mean about a timeline is another body managed by another viewpoint that was created from the same spirit ... example would be the other timelines that inelia benz is aware of .. the other timelines I am aware of are viewpoints operating bodies on space ships, hidden bases on this planet other planets and all those star children like indigo and crystal and rainbow children who have never been born before so have no karma ... these new viewpoints that are operating bodies on this planet are brand new ... they have no past life or other experience before this ... so they don't need auditing ... only people who have memory banks created by an automatic picture recording put in some kind of physical energy and is carried by the viewpoint from lifetime to lifetime ... now the viewpoint is the golden ball with a gold ring around it that everyone thinks is a spirit ... it is a viewpoint of a spirit so it can see into this physical universe that operates in a body or out ... what we are auditing are the pictures that were never viewed by the viewpoint that has never been analyzed because the viewpoint became unconscious when the pain was too much ,,. we are getting them to go back to let him see exactly what happened so he can erase that painful picture and it can never come back again to give him headaches or whatever was in the incident ... these incidents of unconsciousness also has words people say ... and those words can create hypnotic commands that makes him evaluate certain events according to the words in the incident ... like run run run you are safe .. after he got hit with a baseball ... and now he gets around a similar environment and feels he must run to be safe.

jim

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Posted by TheVoyager

There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

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no I am not acquainted with that tech ... but I am sure that the new technology coming from the stars is going to be very advanced ... trying to audit out one spirit with a lot of timelines they had to redo the technology because the newer processes I am getting from my perceptions is going to go back to the spirit itself ... now the spirit itself can not see this physical universe and that's why it needs a viewpoint .. it needs this viewpoint designed to not know everything about the physical universe so it will be able to see it .. because if it KNOWS what it is exactly it will vanish on him .. so we have to use what I am getting from these perceptions a different type of meter or method for the spirit to be able to read all the timelines he or she created ..it is like if you get s viewpoint out of the body it knows how to heal the body ... but we have to go before viewpoints and be able to see all the timelines and so we need better tech created to do that ..

does this answer your question?

jim

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No need for any "tech" or stuff from the stars with Holographic Kinetics - Just an integrated agreement, ones Spirit will take you to the problem on the timeline. :wizard:

:becky:

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Posted by christian

That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

[...]

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Past life regressions and "karma" clearing have some therapeutic values but are only rough precursor techniques of the processes developed, thanks to the E-meter, in that, with these techniques there is no certainty one has reached the bottom of a chain of similar incidents down to its "basic" incident, i.e. the first incident of the kind that started the chain along with the life decision/wish/thought/postulate that created or caused that incident in the first place as well as the decisions/conclusions/directions derived as a result of that basic incident.

Hence, more often that not, these precursor techniques not only restimulate (trigger into action) all the "implant" chains that used hypnosis for their implanting and turn those chain live again in the here and now but also, very likely, leave the "basic" on the chain unaddressed and fully restimulated.

Accordingly, IMO, the "karma" school of thought and its inherent "Earth is a big school where one learns lessons" to explain away bad things happening to "good" people, is a bloody cosmic psyop that has nothing to do with the actual price of fish: the erasure of the basic on a chain... along with the erasure of the life decision/wish/postulate which caused it in the first place and also erasing the ensuing decisions/conclusions.

The E-Meter allows one to check if there is still some "charge" left in a basic incident until clear of "charge," i.e. "erased" with its accompanying "end phenomena" of a "floating needle" and a relieved, happy individual; or not in restimulation anymore, i.e. "keyed out" like a plug-in or a subroutine program can be "disabled" in a computer but still in existence although de-activated for the time being and until the next "session".

Unless past lives regressions and karma clearing address and handle these things, the only thorough methods I have found so far are the one described in Dianetics or the method used by Steve Richards who addresses "spirit" directly in order to handle whatever needs to be handled.

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in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

LRH said you can back a viewpoint (thetan) 3 feet behind his head and he will know how to heal himself ... that is what I got with the spirit ... the spirit can see the viewpoints and each viewpoint can see using the body or itself whether it is inside the body or not ... so same theory should work for a spirit ... it can view all it's viewpoints and should be able to correct everything on these viewpoints track ...

jim

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?


I am interested to find out Jim's point of view to aniN's question.

And most of all... I'd like to read Jim's continuation of the story that he has started to tell us in this thread ...

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I will start the story after I finish work here using the other thread ...

I am trying to keep this thread technical .. maybe should label it technical only and the other the story

jim

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Hubbard invented nothing. The e-meter is nothing more than a stripped down variant of the polygraph except where a polygraph measures heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure and electrodermal activity, the e-meter measures electrodermal activity only (electrical conductivity of the skin reliant on moisture level). It was invented in the 1940s by a chiropractor named Volney Mathison (a fan of dianetics). The name on the patent application for the first e-meter was that of L. Ron Hubbard but according to Hubbard's son Ronald: "My father obtained the rights to the E-meter in1952 from Volney Mathison in the same manner that he does everything - through fraud and coercion." Hubbard's patent is for a modified version of Mathison's device that was developed by Scientologists Don Breeding and Joe Wallis in 1958.

At this point in time there is no empirical evidence that provides proof that this so-called miraculous piece of tech does anything more than measure whether you are “sweating” of not, and to what extent this is affecting the potential for electrical conductance of the skin. It can be used by a person who may or may not have innate psychic abilities, or an understanding of the human psyche to apparently “see” thoughts. One can imagine that the auditing process has made more than a few people sweat, and there are more than a few people who can read or see the thoughts of others without the aid of an expensive and fundamentally crude piece of equipment.

This is not my understanding of “miraculous”, and the e-meter was not invented by Hubbard, so I request the moderators change the name of this thread because it is misleading.

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I already said the e meter is an ohm meter that measures a small portion of the resistance ... as for sweat and other factors like the person being processed there is sensitivity controls to determine how much read it should be getting whether they need to take some kind of lotion to get more connection and the auditor must be trained to know if the read is a casual squeeze of the cans or a real action .. there are marked 2 positions on the dial with an M and F .. 5000 ohms for a female body and 12,500 ohms for a Male body which are the reads you would get if the body was dead ... this is used to when an incident on the tract is erased the needle and dial will go down to male or female and float ... now .. as for authenticity
He was auditing people in the 50's who died .. and got a new body and they were picking up young 13 and 14 year old people and the usual lists that you could run on anyone and get reads were not showing up on these 13 and 14 year old kids because the were taken back and it was found they already ran these incidents in the 1950's and there are no reads on the meter ... if they didn't erase they should show up again these common reads everyone would get ... loke "pain in your elbow" "all pains in your foot"
you can make anything wrong because \you don't want to look .. doesn't mean it is not valid tech ... the thing is and why he hasn't been in communication with anyone here is .. at present time we do not have the instruments or the technology to clear everything in a spirit .. but understand this ... what gave him the idea of using an a meter anyway ??? he is being guided from the future and they are experimenting with all of this to try to find a way to salvage this place while they are observing what is happening . with the possess ... this time now has already happened ... we are doing it again to prevent an illegal alien invasion that not only effects this planet but the entire galaxy and more ...

we completed the work ... you just have to wait until they show up .... you can believe this or not but I am not asking anyone to believe me .. I am giving my story to see if anyone needs this data and anyone has a right to try to validate it with whatever means they think they can do it ... I already said .. this is all coming from perceptions I get .. but so many things in my life have happened again and again and again and again ... that even I have a herd time believing I did that .... I accept it because it continually happens from my thoughts .. so I can assume that I am the only real person here and everyone else is just my imagination in the mad dream ... or I can accept that my thoughts are happening.

jim

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Hubbard invented nothing. The e-meter is nothing more than a stripped down variant of the polygraph except where a polygraph measures heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure and electrodermal activity, the e-meter measures electrodermal activity only (electrical conductivity of the skin reliant on moisture level). It was invented in the 1940s by a chiropractor named Volney Mathison (a fan of dianetics). The name on the patent application for the first e-meter was that of L. Ron Hubbard but according to Hubbard's son Ronald: "My father obtained the rights to the E-meter in1952 from Volney Mathison in the same manner that he does everything - through fraud and coercion." Hubbard's patent is for a modified version of Mathison's device that was developed by Scientologists Don Breeding and Joe Wallis in 1958.

At this point in time there is no empirical evidence that provides proof that this so-called miraculous piece of tech does anything more than measure whether you are “sweating” of not, and to what extent this is affecting the potential for electrical conductance of the skin. It can be used by a person who may or may not have innate psychic abilities, or an understanding of the human psyche to apparently “see” thoughts. One can imagine that the auditing process has made more than a few people sweat, and there are more than a few people who can read or see the thoughts of others without the aid of an expensive and fundamentally crude piece of equipment.

This is not my understanding of “miraculous”, and the e-meter was not invented by Hubbard, so I request the moderators change the name of this thread because it is misleading.

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I already said the e meter is an ohm meter that measures a small portion of the resistance ... as for sweat and other factors like the person being processed there is sensitivity controls to determine how much read it should be getting whether they need to take some kind of lotion to get more connection and the auditor must be trained to know if the read is a casual squeeze of the cans or a real action .. there are marked 2 positions on the dial with an M and F .. 5000 ohms for a female body and 12,500 ohms for a Male body which are the reads you would get if the body was dead ... this is used to when an incident on the tract is erased the needle and dial will go down to male or female and float ... now .. as for authenticity
He was auditing people in the 50's who died .. and got a new body and they were picking up young 13 and 14 year old people and the usual lists that you could run on anyone and get reads were not showing up on these 13 and 14 year old kids because the were taken back and it was found they already ran these incidents in the 1950's and there are no reads on the meter ... if they didn't erase they should show up again these common reads everyone would get ... loke "pain in your elbow" "all pains in your foot"
you can make anything wrong because \you don't want to look .. doesn't mean it is not valid tech ... the thing is and why he hasn't been in communication with anyone here is .. at present time we do not have the instruments or the technology to clear everything in a spirit .. but understand this ... what gave him the idea of using an a meter anyway ??? he is being guided from the future and they are experimenting with all of this to try to find a way to salvage this place while they are observing what is happening . with the possess ... this time now has already happened ... we are doing it again to prevent an illegal alien invasion that not only effects this planet but the entire galaxy and more ...

we completed the work ... you just have to wait until they show up .... you can believe this or not but I am not asking anyone to believe me .. I am giving my story to see if anyone needs this data and anyone has a right to try to validate it with whatever means they think they can do it ... I already said .. this is all coming from perceptions I get .. but so many things in my life have happened again and again and again and again ... that even I have a herd time believing I did that .... I accept it because it continually happens from my thoughts .. so I can assume that I am the only real person here and everyone else is just my imagination in the mad dream ... or I can accept that my thoughts are happening.

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Jim I appreciate that you provide us with this information and that you take time for doing this.

So, another question from me. Can you be more specific what do you mean with: "to clear everything" . Can you specify, maybe in more detail what is "everything" ?

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in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

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So have you been in contact with Inelia? Did you find Avalon while searching for her on the internet? Was you previously aware of Inelia before discovering that you had similar abilities?

Hmmmm . . . i have had experiences with this E Meter . . . i have learned how to manipulate its readings and understand exactly how it works. Wether it erases past energetic constructs i dont know. . . but i do know the e meter can be manipulated

ok I will be back on the other thread ... I am doing unless someone wants to ask more questions here

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Hmmmm . . . i have had experiences with this E Meter . . . i have learned how to manipulate its readings and understand exactly how it works. Wether it erases past energetic constructs i dont know. . . but i do know the e meter can be manipulated

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I would agree that the E-meter can be manipulated. Any being that is highly attuned to their own consciousness and energy can direct their energy through it. It is a tool and that depends on the intent with which you use the tool. If I sit with the meter in an open honest inquiry then it serves me, if I try to manipulate the reads I can do that do. Depends on ME.

Also important to make very clear: THE METER DOES NOT ERASE ANYTHING. It is a TOOL in the process of retrieving and CLEANING UP (removing blockages) that limit our creative expression and freedom.

P.S. I am not an expert... this is what I have experienced and understand.

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this machine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?

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Sure Voyager, I don't mind answering the best I can.

Of course your questions can take us into some interesting territory, such as where do any memories come from? Are memories universally shared? Did I tap into another beings memory? Am I tapping into the holographic memory of the earth? Cellular memory, body memory? These are all well documented. So I don't think I could possibly answer your question in a simplistic manner.

Your question about what part of me is remembering is a good one, if I consider myself to be an integrating being to ask what part of me is remembering depends on the memory I am looking at. It may be a body memory, perhaps a traumatic incident that “I” could not deal with when it was happening so I “locked” it in a part of myself as an adaptation of survival. There is no mystery there, any good therapist or body worker has observed spontaneous releases of these types of memories.

In an auditing session you review the incident over and over again until you feel the release of any built up charge (emotional or other response). What happens is that the memory is released, ie: perceived, dealt with so from that point forward it would not be affecting your present life on the subconscious level.

I have had other memories return that are from other lives for example. Obviously that memory is not stored in my body but in some other ethereal part of Self. This is still the Me, the integrating being that is remembering. What I find notable and important is that I have had these memories return when I am in full consciousness, no hypnosis or drugs are involved. Indeed at times they return in a spontaneous manner, nothing (no auditor) is involved, they are just there.

What I find I am wanting to explain here is that I am aware of ME in present time and where I am located in space. I think this is what jiminii refers to a Point of View. This location of Self is Me looking at me in some other incarnation, or some incident that has been forgotten or indeed is in the future. I am also aware of another ME that already KNOWS the totality of SELF in relationship to ALL. There is a cord that has been severed with this ME, it is the process of remembering (KNOWLEDGE), knowing thyself that reestablishes this ME.

The journey, as I understand it, is to retrieve these fractured memories and remember who we are, where we came from and to then KNOW where we are going. Without the certainty we have been left guessing and have been easily misled. If you reach the state of KNOWINGNESS (this has nothing to do with arrogance or ego) then you reclaim your power.

The Earth, the animals, and the water all hold memory, really we are immersed in a matrix that depends on “memory” being held in time and space. With the ability to perceive these memories “our” memory is restored and we can effectively penetrate the matrix thereby change it.

In attempting to answer your questions, as often occurs, more doors are opened than closed. :)

I am not advocating the LRH materials, only adding my own experience.

As far as the E-meter is concerned, it is a useful tool. Any spiritually experienced person can audit (listen, hold safe space and guide another to explore themselves.) The E-meter assists that process, if you are a carpenter you can hammer a nail with a rock or you can use a hammer which aids you in being more effective.

Definition of auditor:

One who hears; a listener.

beholder, observer, perceiver, percipient - a person who becomes aware (of things or events) through the senses.

[from Old French auditeur, from Latin audītor a hearer]

I will use acupuncture as an example again, a good acupuncturist doesn’t need any device (though it is now common for a practitioner to use a machine) to know where to place the needles, they are highly trained to observe the body and know where to place the needles thus reestablish the energy flows of the body. This releases built up charge or blockages of chi. If you have experienced a good acupuncturist not only do you find relief from bodily pains but many times there is an accompanying emotional release and cognition of something previously “hidden”.

I am well aware and indeed share the concern and distrust that Scientology is corrupted. I am not a Scientologist to make that clear. I offer a small amount of experiential data only, if this serves anyone so be it, if not equally so.

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I am well aware and indeed share the concern and distrust that Scientology is corrupted. I am not a Scientologist to make that clear. I offer a small amount of experiential data only, if this serves anyone so be it, if not equally so.

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Thank You for sharing Christine...wonderful sincerity and opening up and desire to help : )

I feel all of these methods are accessible by anynone that looks with strong spritual desire to 'clean-up' their own rhythms. The desire and intent have to be there...if it is strong enough anyone will find the means now.

We have discussed the 12 steps here at Avalon pretty well here and there in the past...Anyone that works the 4th and 5th steps and the rest of the program with a strong desire to get to the bottom of matters that have steered their life and emotions and reactions can make leaps and bounds in the same direction as what is being discussed, imho.
There are many ways but the Person has to really, realy want to get to the root of personal issues. Dianetics and Hubbard's work was so strong and targeted and got out there en-masse that it simply sent the 'controllers' on earth into a fear frenzy that their manipulations for oh so long a time were being found out and the damage corrected...and they were....and it is now a time when more and more people are in realizations of the workings of all of this...it has taken hold...100 monkey or whatever you want to label it...there is a massive world-wide clean up going on and people are resolvng personal issues...and I mean right to the core...and comig around to their personal spiritual powers and enlighenment as never before...we are truly at a beautiful crossroad, imho.
When I say 'Onward, Upward and Beyond'...I really feel it happening for the better of all humanity as never before!

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Hubbard invented nothing. The e-meter is nothing more than a stripped down variant of the polygraph except where a polygraph measures heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure and electrodermal activity, the e-meter measures electrodermal activity only (electrical conductivity of the skin reliant on moisture level). It was invented in the 1940s by a chiropractor named Volney Mathison (a fan of dianetics). The name on the patent application for the first e-meter was that of L. Ron Hubbard but according to Hubbard's son Ronald: "My father obtained the rights to the E-meter in1952 from Volney Mathison in the same manner that he does everything - through fraud and coercion." Hubbard's patent is for a modified version of Mathison's device that was developed by Scientologists Don Breeding and Joe Wallis in 1958.

At this point in time there is no empirical evidence that provides proof that this so-called miraculous piece of tech does anything more than measure whether you are “sweating” of not, and to what extent this is affecting the potential for electrical conductance of the skin. It can be used by a person who may or may not have innate psychic abilities, or an understanding of the human psyche to apparently “see” thoughts. One can imagine that the auditing process has made more than a few people sweat, and there are more than a few people who can read or see the thoughts of others without the aid of an expensive and fundamentally crude piece of equipment.

This is not my understanding of “miraculous”, and the e-meter was not invented by Hubbard, so I request the moderators change the name of this thread because it is misleading.

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I already said the e meter is an ohm meter that measures a small portion of the resistance ... as for sweat and other factors like the person being processed there is sensitivity controls to determine how much read it should be getting whether they need to take some kind of lotion to get more connection and the auditor must be trained to know if the read is a casual squeeze of the cans or a real action .. there are marked 2 positions on the dial with an M and F .. 5000 ohms for a female body and 12,500 ohms for a Male body which are the reads you would get if the body was dead ... this is used to when an incident on the tract is erased the needle and dial will go down to male or female and float ... now .. as for authenticity
He was auditing people in the 50's who died .. and got a new body and they were picking up young 13 and 14 year old people and the usual lists that you could run on anyone and get reads were not showing up on these 13 and 14 year old kids because the were taken back and it was found they already ran these incidents in the 1950's and there are no reads on the meter ... if they didn't erase they should show up again these common reads everyone would get ... loke "pain in your elbow" "all pains in your foot"
you can make anything wrong because \you don't want to look .. doesn't mean it is not valid tech ... the thing is and why he hasn't been in communication with anyone here is .. at present time we do not have the instruments or the technology to clear everything in a spirit .. but understand this ... what gave him the idea of using an a meter anyway ??? he is being guided from the future and they are experimenting with all of this to try to find a way to salvage this place while they are observing what is happening . with the possess ... this time now has already happened ... we are doing it again to prevent an illegal alien invasion that not only effects this planet but the entire galaxy and more ...

we completed the work ... you just have to wait until they show up .... you can believe this or not but I am not asking anyone to believe me .. I am giving my story to see if anyone needs this data and anyone has a right to try to validate it with whatever means they think they can do it ... I already said .. this is all coming from perceptions I get .. but so many things in my life have happened again and again and again and again ... that even I have a herd time believing I did that .... I accept it because it continually happens from my thoughts .. so I can assume that I am the only real person here and everyone else is just my imagination in the mad dream ... or I can accept that my thoughts are happening.

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Jim I appreciate that you provide us with this information and that you take time for doing this.

So, another question from me. Can you be more specific what do you mean with: "to clear everything" . Can you specify, maybe in more detail what is "everything" ?

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I asked trey why they did not run these commands on the time track of theta tapes ... he didn't know ... OT 8 is the completion of OT 7 ... means you can't get any read anywhere on anything ... the the OT 8 is a check to see if it is completed ... but if they never do the commands "who else is holding your aberatons in place?" .. then they are not even looking there and this means none of the auditing is done on these other viewpoints operating other bodies either on the planet or not .. it is an incomplete ... because if these other viewpoints are not cleaned and audited too ... then you will be connected to their abberations .. even though you don't get any reads on this viewpoint .. the fact they never let you know is amazing .. they even sell you the tapes ... but no one LOOKS ... This spirit can have viewpoints that are connected to entirely different kinds of aliens and alien bodies than the one we have here ... and we have NO IDEA what to run on them ... it has never been applied ...so even if David Miscavage may have all the notes or data on the upper OT levels ... he will never be able to run them ...they will not be able to duplicate them ... and I don't think LRH finished them ... the first time I came on the ship in long beach when LRH found out about me he sent people down to let me know he opened up 8 new OT levels ... and they personally sat with me and said, "we are glad you're here." means he knew I knew there were missing levels .. so he was just trying to acknowledge me .... but I don't think he finished them I think he left to go to the galactic government to handle the illegal things the reptilians were doing .. it is really the dracos and the renegade grays doing this together ... while he is gone they kill him ... because they know he knew and it was there chance to take over the church ... this is also why I think LRH didn't put these processes on any line up ... because he didn't want them to know what we were doing ... they probably, (if I assume his beingness) .. stuck some drugs in him ... it is reported he had 12 or more needle marks in his butt ... and tried to force him to complete these upper levels .. which is amazing ... the story free zone says and what I think .. is different .. he knew he was being infiltrated .... it is possible he went to go handle this at the galactic government... but I know he has other bodies that can do that so why would he do it himself ... and alter the upper OT levels so none of it will work .... Yes ... I got an acknowledgement from LRH just now ... he is some how in communication with me ... and i don't know how he did or I did that.. ... so that is true ... ok what else ... he already had a stroke in curacao so all they would have to do is the same things they did to Peter Gillliam to turn all his property over to them which peter gilliam is suing them for it now and also to his wife to turn over the estate left to her by LRH ... I think using vicious statements like how she got LRH into trouble with the snow white thing ... just everything they could throw at them and he has a stroke ... so then they probably went to gamble .. and try to figure out a way to cover it up ... and use the church to have the autopsy refused ... yes ...it was something like that ... they made a mistake and killed him... now I know what they said ... they said IRS is coming after him and he needs to turnover the church to them .. really intense accusations ... really upsetting him and he has a stroke ..ok ... so you can see the aberrations of one of my other bodies can pass over to me ... so how could you say if you don't get any reads anywhere you are are clean when trey can run a command saying "who else is holding your aberrations in place ) .. means only this viewpoint is clean not the others ..

do you get it?

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in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

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So have you been in contact with Inelia? Did you find Avalon while searching for her on the internet? Was you previously aware of Inelia before discovering that you had similar abilities?

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I some how got in contact with Bill Ryan on an email when he read a post of mine I think and contacted me and wanted me to help him find inelia ..using my OT abilities .. because they had an event in south america and something happened and she left .. and he could not find her ... but I did not get in contact with inelia herself

jim

When we stand in front of a mirror and look ourselves in the eye...what we see before us is the result of trillions of years of existence...all wrapped up in one neat package...with all our faults and all our talents and all our attitudes.

So what will we work on today to improve our quality of life? Will it be the sexual problem? Or will it be the rage problem? Or will it be the fear problem?

Whatever our state of mind, might be, for each of us, is right inside our minds at this moment...there are no pieces stuck in other dimension or wandering around in some past lives millions of years ago...we have brought the whole package along for the ride...maybe too much to sort out all in one go...but we can work at it one step at a time.

There are probably an infinite amount of ways, we might stumble upon, for the solution to each one of our inner struggles. There is no 'one fits all' in this shop.

Trying to convince me to use one method over and above another is like trying to convince me to change my favorite flavor of ice cream. What works for me might not work for others.

So find what works for you because, should we not, at least, like the choice we make?

So now we have another choice and it's called Scientology...so what? Millions of people are quite spiritual and happy and living beautiful, attitude and problem free lives, and they have never even heard of anything called enlightenment...never mind Scientology.

When the lifespan of this information and thread has run it's course...there will be those who will be off to get audited...I guess...and those who will move on to seek another solution.

Such is life

Take care
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in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

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trey dated when I came into this body at 4 and a half years old .... I had such a blow down I could not even orient this body ... it was enough to get to the bus stop a block away without falling over something ... I managed to get in the bus ... and get home ... and get on the bed ... still blown out ... and I thought "who am I? ... and the word Metteyya came to me" .. and I got hit with so much light I couldn't believe it .. like in an ocean of clouds of pure theta ... more than I have ever felt in my life ... then this thought came to me, "if they keep sending me all this theta I will get so young I will not be able to pass immigration because my passport picture will look old and I will look young " suddenly the white theta slowed down and I had an impulse to get on the internet ... and found Inelia in about 5 minutes ... and what she said was exactly the same as me ... except I don't go around healing people because if I do I will be putting myself in danger and they didn't want me to do things that will reveal what I might be.


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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this machine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?

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Sure Voyager, I don't mind answering the best I can.

Of course your questions can take us into some interesting territory, such as where do any memories come from? Are memories universally shared? Did I tap into another beings memory? Am I tapping into the holographic memory of the earth? Cellular memory, body memory? These are all well documented. So I don't think I could possibly answer your question in a simplistic manner.

Your question about what part of me is remembering is a good one, if I consider myself to be an integrating being to ask what part of me is remembering depends on the memory I am looking at. It may be a body memory, perhaps a traumatic incident that “I” could not deal with when it was happening so I “locked” it in a part of myself as an adaptation of survival. There is no mystery there, any good therapist or body worker has observed spontaneous releases of these types of memories.

In an auditing session you review the incident over and over again until you feel the release of any built up charge (emotional or other response). What happens is that the memory is released, ie: perceived, dealt with so from that point forward it would not be affecting your present life on the subconscious level.

I have had other memories return that are from other lives for example. Obviously that memory is not stored in my body but in some other ethereal part of Self. This is still the Me, the integrating being that is remembering. What I find notable and important is that I have had these memories return when I am in full consciousness, no hypnosis or drugs are involved. Indeed at times they return in a spontaneous manner, nothing (no auditor) is involved, they are just there.

What I find I am wanting to explain here is that I am aware of ME in present time and where I am located in space. I think this is what jiminii refers to a Point of View. This location of Self is Me looking at me in some other incarnation, or some incident that has been forgotten or indeed is in the future. I am also aware of another ME that already KNOWS the totality of SELF in relationship to ALL. There is a cord that has been severed with this ME, it is the process of remembering (KNOWLEDGE), knowing thyself that reestablishes this ME.

The journey, as I understand it, is to retrieve these fractured memories and remember who we are, where we came from and to then KNOW where we are going. Without the certainty we have been left guessing and have been easily misled. If you reach the state of KNOWINGNESS (this has nothing to do with arrogance or ego) then you reclaim your power.

The Earth, the animals, and the water all hold memory, really we are immersed in a matrix that depends on “memory” being held in time and space. With the ability to perceive these memories “our” memory is restored and we can effectively penetrate the matrix thereby change it.

In attempting to answer your questions, as often occurs, more doors are opened than closed. :)

I am not advocating the LRH materials, only adding my own experience.

As far as the E-meter is concerned, it is a useful tool. Any spiritually experienced person can audit (listen, hold safe space and guide another to explore themselves.) The E-meter assists that process, if you are a carpenter you can hammer a nail with a rock or you can use a hammer which aids you in being more effective.

Definition of auditor:

One who hears; a listener.

beholder, observer, perceiver, percipient - a person who becomes aware (of things or events) through the senses.

[from Old French auditeur, from Latin audītor a hearer]

I will use acupuncture as an example again, a good acupuncturist doesn’t need any device (though it is now common for a practitioner to use a machine) to know where to place the needles, they are highly trained to observe the body and know where to place the needles thus reestablish the energy flows of the body. This releases built up charge or blockages of chi. If you have experienced a good acupuncturist not only do you find relief from bodily pains but many times there is an accompanying emotional release and cognition of something previously “hidden”.

I am well aware and indeed share the concern and distrust that Scientology is corrupted. I am not a Scientologist to make that clear. I offer a small amount of experiential data only, if this serves anyone so be it, if not equally so.

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Thank you Christine for the time you took to answer my questions.

I myself am interested in the Hubbard's tech, as is being explained by jiminii, because he talks about an interesting point of view onto how to create and manifest and how to be again what we forgot that we were.

All the discussion about Scientology and if he is a scientologist or not etc etc, I find completely pointless and useless, a waist of time for myself at this point where I am. I see it as a way of making us busy so we don't focus on what we could/can use to help us, and instead it keeps us on focusing on who did what and why it went wrong and who's right.

There's a talk of detecting traumatic experiences with an e.meter and clearing them with Hubbard's tech, that is in observing them and expressing them, which makes them disappear. That is, if I understand it correctly from what I've read from jiminii and others talking about this tech.

On the other hand, HK technology assists a client's spirit without any device but with practitioner's knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore and with the application of the mathematics. It is about going to the cause of the effect - which is the problem we have today (repeating patterns and similar), that keeps on re-activating itself and triggering the same stuck dimension over and over again. Until the time is looped and changed and replaced. It seams to me that here we have a different approach. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Steve Richards technology loops time, and assists a client to change it and replace it, and does not stay in "just" observing it. The spirit of the client can go back as much as is needed in order to go to the very first cause of the effect, which can be many lifetimes ago or it can originate on the genetic hereditary line of some of the ancestors.

Then there's something that I haven't read about when there was a talk about Hubbard's tech. That is, how does his tech deal with inter dimensional interferences? I'd like to hear about that, jiminii or somebody that has a knowledge about that...maybe Amzer Zo?

With HK technology, in order to clear an inter dimensional interferences (like thought forms, life forms, internal or external entities, aliens, draconians, winged serpents, animal or human spirits...) you need to understand and use the laws of Lore and the knowledge of mathematics. You cannot just go there and clear it...

Anybody with knowledge about the original Hubbard's tech wants to comment on this?

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When we stand in front of a mirror and look ourselves in the eye...what we see before us is the result of trillions of years of existence...all wrapped up in one neat package...with all our faults and all our talents and all our attitudes.

So what will we work on today to improve our quality of life? Will it be the sexual problem? Or will it be the rage problem? Or will it be the fear problem?

Whatever our state of mind, might be, for each of us, is right inside our minds at this moment...there are no pieces stuck in other dimension or wandering around in some past lives millions of years ago...we have brought the whole package along for the ride...maybe too much to sort out all in one go...but we can work at it one step at a time.

There are probably an infinite amount of ways, we might stumble upon, for the solution to each one of our inner struggles. There is no 'all fits one' in this shop.

Trying to convince me to use one method over and above another is like trying to convince me to change my favorite flavor of ice cream. What works for me might not work for others.

So find what works for you because, should we not, at least, like the choice we make?

So now we have another choice and it's called Scientology...so what? Millions of people are quite spiritual and happy and living beautiful, attitude and problem free lives, and they have never even heard of anything called enlightenment...never mind Scientology.

When the lifespan of this information and thread has run it's course...there will be those who will be off to get audited...I guess...and those who will move on to seek another solution.

Such is life

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I never once in all this writing recommended to get into scientology ... I only gave this information because it describes how the physical universe works .. and I am not as gifted in words as LRH is ...

it is only reference material ... I only recommended one set of commands to locate your the other bodies ... this requires an auditor that knows how to run the distance from here to each of your bodies ...

for example something like "give me the distance from here to that body ... something like that ... and I did . from Los Angeles to a distance somewhere in the devils triangle in some under water base that is hidden by a time portal
another is so many miles from japan and there is an underwater base there ..

now get this ... go to the internet... and you will find the dragons triangle is same like devils triangle ... and I found it on the internet after trey had me locate it .. I have another body there

what you all don't get is this ... we have bodies working on every aspect to salvage this planet.... I have another body on a base in the himalaya mountains .. and get on the internet and Indian newspaper has a story about it and shows it's location ..

so these places show up on the internet ...

we dated the others in light years from here .. another body on a base on one of Saturn's moons ... the another planet called base 2 .. and another near the pleides an official in the government of this galaxy ... now .. I don't have a UFO ... so I can not prove any of it ... I only said this is what came out in session ...

I don't recommend anyone to go to scientology or even the free zone ... I am telling everyone what would be nice ... if we can do it .. but I am not .. I will wait until they land and bring us the tech and use us to start repair this planet ... now ... I don't even recommend you do the the new tech .. you can decide to study anything you want .. spiritual or physical .. if you want to be a pilot on a space ship you will only be required to study 500 years ... I can't prove that ... I am waiting to see what will happen and I am telling my story to see if it can be of use to anyone

jim

Ok, so there is an overwhelming amount of LRH works/information to be found. Jimini, could you recommend a starting place, for people that are completely new to all of this. If you could recommend ONE book, which would it be, to just open the door of all this. Thanks in advance. : )
If this has already been answered and I missed it, a link to the post will suffice. : )

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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this machine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?

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Sure Voyager, I don't mind answering the best I can.

Of course your questions can take us into some interesting territory, such as where do any memories come from? Are memories universally shared? Did I tap into another beings memory? Am I tapping into the holographic memory of the earth? Cellular memory, body memory? These are all well documented. So I don't think I could possibly answer your question in a simplistic manner.

Your question about what part of me is remembering is a good one, if I consider myself to be an integrating being to ask what part of me is remembering depends on the memory I am looking at. It may be a body memory, perhaps a traumatic incident that “I” could not deal with when it was happening so I “locked” it in a part of myself as an adaptation of survival. There is no mystery there, any good therapist or body worker has observed spontaneous releases of these types of memories.

In an auditing session you review the incident over and over again until you feel the release of any built up charge (emotional or other response). What happens is that the memory is released, ie: perceived, dealt with so from that point forward it would not be affecting your present life on the subconscious level.

I have had other memories return that are from other lives for example. Obviously that memory is not stored in my body but in some other ethereal part of Self. This is still the Me, the integrating being that is remembering. What I find notable and important is that I have had these memories return when I am in full consciousness, no hypnosis or drugs are involved. Indeed at times they return in a spontaneous manner, nothing (no auditor) is involved, they are just there.

What I find I am wanting to explain here is that I am aware of ME in present time and where I am located in space. I think this is what jiminii refers to a Point of View. This location of Self is Me looking at me in some other incarnation, or some incident that has been forgotten or indeed is in the future. I am also aware of another ME that already KNOWS the totality of SELF in relationship to ALL. There is a cord that has been severed with this ME, it is the process of remembering (KNOWLEDGE), knowing thyself that reestablishes this ME.

The journey, as I understand it, is to retrieve these fractured memories and remember who we are, where we came from and to then KNOW where we are going. Without the certainty we have been left guessing and have been easily misled. If you reach the state of KNOWINGNESS (this has nothing to do with arrogance or ego) then you reclaim your power.

The Earth, the animals, and the water all hold memory, really we are immersed in a matrix that depends on “memory” being held in time and space. With the ability to perceive these memories “our” memory is restored and we can effectively penetrate the matrix thereby change it.

In attempting to answer your questions, as often occurs, more doors are opened than closed. :)

I am not advocating the LRH materials, only adding my own experience.

As far as the E-meter is concerned, it is a useful tool. Any spiritually experienced person can audit (listen, hold safe space and guide another to explore themselves.) The E-meter assists that process, if you are a carpenter you can hammer a nail with a rock or you can use a hammer which aids you in being more effective.

Definition of auditor:

One who hears; a listener.

beholder, observer, perceiver, percipient - a person who becomes aware (of things or events) through the senses.

[from Old French auditeur, from Latin audītor a hearer]

I will use acupuncture as an example again, a good acupuncturist doesn’t need any device (though it is now common for a practitioner to use a machine) to know where to place the needles, they are highly trained to observe the body and know where to place the needles thus reestablish the energy flows of the body. This releases built up charge or blockages of chi. If you have experienced a good acupuncturist not only do you find relief from bodily pains but many times there is an accompanying emotional release and cognition of something previously “hidden”.

I am well aware and indeed share the concern and distrust that Scientology is corrupted. I am not a Scientologist to make that clear. I offer a small amount of experiential data only, if this serves anyone so be it, if not equally so.

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Thank you Christine for the time you took to answer my questions.

I myself am interested in the Hubbard's tech, as is being explained by jiminii, because he talks about an interesting point of view onto how to create and manifest and how to be again what we forgot that we were.

All the discussion about Scientology and if he is a scientologist or not etc etc, I find completely pointless and useless, a waist of time for myself at this point where I am. I see it as a way of making us busy so we don't focus on what we could/can use to help us, and instead it keeps us on focusing on who did what and why it went wrong and who's right.

There's a talk of detecting traumatic experiences with an e.meter and clearing them with Hubbard's tech, that is in observing them and expressing them, which makes them disappear. That is, if I understand it correctly from what I've read from jiminii and others talking about this tech.

On the other hand, HK technology assists a client's spirit without any device but with practitioner's knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore and with the application of the mathematics. It is about going to the cause of the effect - which is the problem we have today (repeating patterns and similar), that keeps on re-activating itself and triggering the same stuck dimension over and over again. Until the time is looped and changed and replaced. It seams to me that here we have a different approach. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Steve Richards technology loops time, and assists a client to change it and replace it, and does not stay in "just" observing it. The spirit of the client can go back as much as is needed in order to go to the very first cause of the effect, which can be many lifetimes ago or it can originate on the genetic hereditary line of some of the ancestors.

Then there's something that I haven't read about when there was a talk about Hubbard's tech. That is, how does his tech deal with inter dimensional interferences? I'd like to hear about that, jiminii or somebody that has a knowledge about that...maybe Amzer Zo?

With HK technology, in order to clear an inter dimensional interferences (like thought forms, life forms, internal or external entities, aliens, draconians, winged serpents, animal or human spirits...) you need to understand and use the laws of Lore and the knowledge of mathematics. You cannot just go there and clear it...

Anybody with knowledge about the original Hubbard's tech wants to comment on this?

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what I am trying to do is remind you of what you once were ...now I don't know who is a minion ... but i am sure there are people here who were previously up there making planets and stars and putting lifeforms on those planets after they teraformed them .. and I am sure there are all these crystals and indigos .. and rainbows here can start using their power now .. they just need to learn how to operate ... they don't need auditing .. so just with reading the phoenix lectures and practice learning how to make your thoughts appear in the physical universe .. ... now the commands in the time track of theta tapes are done in present time. You don't go into the past ... you locate where they are now ... now get this ... there is no such thing as time ... time is a creation just like a pc computer is created .. to create a space tome continuum
it is simple .. create space in this time and create it again an instant later and then keep doing it and then put it in automatic
if you want to contact the viewpoints of your spirit that are in the future it is very simple ... their NOW is the same as our NOW .. so if they stepped out of this huge 3d movie ... they and you would be in the same NOW
so you will be able to locate them NOW because the spirit being is not in the physical universe .. only his viewpoint is

get it

jim

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Ok, so there is an overwhelming amount of LRH works/information to be found. Jimini, could you recommend a starting place, for people that are completely new to all of this. If you could recommend ONE book, which would it be, to just open the door of all this. Thanks in advance. : )
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So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this machine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

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The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

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Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?

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Sure Voyager, I don't mind answering the best I can.

Of course your questions can take us into some interesting territory, such as where do any memories come from? Are memories universally shared? Did I tap into another beings memory? Am I tapping into the holographic memory of the earth? Cellular memory, body memory? These are all well documented. So I don't think I could possibly answer your question in a simplistic manner.

Your question about what part of me is remembering is a good one, if I consider myself to be an integrating being to ask what part of me is remembering depends on the memory I am looking at. It may be a body memory, perhaps a traumatic incident that “I” could not deal with when it was happening so I “locked” it in a part of myself as an adaptation of survival. There is no mystery there, any good therapist or body worker has observed spontaneous releases of these types of memories.

In an auditing session you review the incident over and over again until you feel the release of any built up charge (emotional or other response). What happens is that the memory is released, ie: perceived, dealt with so from that point forward it would not be affecting your present life on the subconscious level.

I have had other memories return that are from other lives for example. Obviously that memory is not stored in my body but in some other ethereal part of Self. This is still the Me, the integrating being that is remembering. What I find notable and important is that I have had these memories return when I am in full consciousness, no hypnosis or drugs are involved. Indeed at times they return in a spontaneous manner, nothing (no auditor) is involved, they are just there.

What I find I am wanting to explain here is that I am aware of ME in present time and where I am located in space. I think this is what jiminii refers to a Point of View. This location of Self is Me looking at me in some other incarnation, or some incident that has been forgotten or indeed is in the future. I am also aware of another ME that already KNOWS the totality of SELF in relationship to ALL. There is a cord that has been severed with this ME, it is the process of remembering (KNOWLEDGE), knowing thyself that reestablishes this ME.

The journey, as I understand it, is to retrieve these fractured memories and remember who we are, where we came from and to then KNOW where we are going. Without the certainty we have been left guessing and have been easily misled. If you reach the state of KNOWINGNESS (this has nothing to do with arrogance or ego) then you reclaim your power.

The Earth, the animals, and the water all hold memory, really we are immersed in a matrix that depends on “memory” being held in time and space. With the ability to perceive these memories “our” memory is restored and we can effectively penetrate the matrix thereby change it.

In attempting to answer your questions, as often occurs, more doors are opened than closed. :)

I am not advocating the LRH materials, only adding my own experience.

As far as the E-meter is concerned, it is a useful tool. Any spiritually experienced person can audit (listen, hold safe space and guide another to explore themselves.) The E-meter assists that process, if you are a carpenter you can hammer a nail with a rock or you can use a hammer which aids you in being more effective.

Definition of auditor:

One who hears; a listener.

beholder, observer, perceiver, percipient - a person who becomes aware (of things or events) through the senses.

[from Old French auditeur, from Latin audītor a hearer]

I will use acupuncture as an example again, a good acupuncturist doesn’t need any device (though it is now common for a practitioner to use a machine) to know where to place the needles, they are highly trained to observe the body and know where to place the needles thus reestablish the energy flows of the body. This releases built up charge or blockages of chi. If you have experienced a good acupuncturist not only do you find relief from bodily pains but many times there is an accompanying emotional release and cognition of something previously “hidden”.

I am well aware and indeed share the concern and distrust that Scientology is corrupted. I am not a Scientologist to make that clear. I offer a small amount of experiential data only, if this serves anyone so be it, if not equally so.

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Thank you Christine for the time you took to answer my questions.

I myself am interested in the Hubbard's tech, as is being explained by jiminii, because he talks about an interesting point of view onto how to create and manifest and how to be again what we forgot that we were.

All the discussion about Scientology and if he is a scientologist or not etc etc, I find completely pointless and useless, a waist of time for myself at this point where I am. I see it as a way of making us busy so we don't focus on what we could/can use to help us, and instead it keeps us on focusing on who did what and why it went wrong and who's right.

There's a talk of detecting traumatic experiences with an e.meter and clearing them with Hubbard's tech, that is in observing them and expressing them, which makes them disappear. That is, if I understand it correctly from what I've read from jiminii and others talking about this tech.

On the other hand, HK technology assists a client's spirit without any device but with practitioner's knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore and with the application of the mathematics. It is about going to the cause of the effect - which is the problem we have today (repeating patterns and similar), that keeps on re-activating itself and triggering the same stuck dimension over and over again. Until the time is looped and changed and replaced. It seams to me that here we have a different approach. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Steve Richards technology loops time, and assists a client to change it and replace it, and does not stay in "just" observing it. The spirit of the client can go back as much as is needed in order to go to the very first cause of the effect, which can be many lifetimes ago or it can originate on the genetic hereditary line of some of the ancestors.

Then there's something that I haven't read about when there was a talk about Hubbard's tech. That is, how does his tech deal with inter dimensional interferences? I'd like to hear about that, jiminii or somebody that has a knowledge about that...maybe Amzer Zo?

With HK technology, in order to clear an inter dimensional interferences (like thought forms, life forms, internal or external entities, aliens, draconians, winged serpents, animal or human spirits...) you need to understand and use the laws of Lore and the knowledge of mathematics. You cannot just go there and clear it...

Anybody with knowledge about the original Hubbard's tech wants to comment on this?

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if you get the phoenix lectures you can learn how to make your thoughts happen and how to change your future ..
practice that first .. get some wins ... and see what you are ... do the impossible like get on the weather channel and find the jet stream ... and move it around a bit .. and see how much it changes the weather ...
of course ... make sure your thoughts are not used to hurt anyone .. put some rain where they need it

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in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

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So have you been in contact with Inelia? Did you find Avalon while searching for her on the internet? Was you previously aware of Inelia before discovering that you had similar abilities?

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I some how got in contact with Bill Ryan on an email when he read a post of mine I think and contacted me and wanted me to help him find inelia ..using my OT abilities .. because they had an event in south america and something happened and she left .. and he could not find her ... but I did not get in contact with inelia herself

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I never once in all this writing recommended to get into scientology ... I only gave this information because it describes how the physical universe works ..

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I don't recommend anyone to go to scientology or even the free zone ... I am telling everyone what would be nice ... if we can do it ..

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Hmmmm, could have fooled me. History as written by LRH, future as written by LRH, LRH lingo, LRH tech, LRH tech is apparently the only way to freedom, and LRH is the founder of original Scientology. What exactly ARE you recommending then Jim? Buddhism? 2+2 keeps adding up to 5 here.

Again, I've got no problem (per say) with many of the foundational aspects of Scientology, some of it makes a lot of sense to me. Engrams being one example. But, I'm having a real tough time figuring out just where it is you're coming from, and what your intentions really are with all of this.

I'm just sayin man...It's that darn old enquiring mind that landed me here at Avalon in the first place. :)

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do the impossible like get on the weather channel and find the jet stream ... and move it around a bit .. and see how much it changes the weather ...
of course ... make sure your thoughts are not used to hurt anyone .. put some rain where they need it

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At least you're not encouraging us to make people sick now, or to have them drop like flies, but apparently you still think there are no such things as unintended consequences. Besides that, we already have the tech to **** with weather patterns, it's called HAARP.