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The Second Home was set up in April, 2009. The 1st branch of the Second Home was located in Anning City of Yunnan Province. After four and a half years of construction, it has already become a land of idyllic beauty.
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Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home
Why are the local people so angry about you being there-can't you get the police to help you, the authorities to defend your rights to the land?
The 3rd branch of the Second Home was established in June, 2011. After two and a half years of constructiuon, it has also become a beautiful place where is full of green trees, colorful flowers, and lots of birds singing.
It was forced to close by the local governments from April to November of 2013. No feedback was given nor action taken during the six months when the road leading to the third branch was vandalised, the power and network cables were cut, and part of our gate was pulled down.
In November of 2013, under the threat of forty local villagers and local government bureaus, the forty members who lived in the 3rd branch were forced to withdraw, beginning on the ninth and finishing on the nineteenth.
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Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home
The 4th branch of the Second Home was set up in August of 2011. For two and a half years, we have devoted all of our human effort, material resources, and money to transform this wild land into a real paradise. It has hosted many foreign visitors from fifteen countries around the world.
Beginning November 30, 2013, and continuing through today, we are being forced to close down by the local governments, with no written legal documents.
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Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home
Thank you for asking, dear. They think we will be a big threat to the society and will do something illegal in the future. They didn't believe and couldn't understand what the community is. They just try all means to dismiss us. It's not the centre govenments' decision but local governments'. When we share the news about the 3rd branch on the Internet, because there were no pics, the policemen couldn't and didn't want to help us.Quote:
Posted by GalaxyHorse
But now we have pics in the 4th branch, and one of our sisters was hurt by them, there came 4 policemen to see the situation this afternoon. There's no result for the local policemen didn't want to help us. So this is why I need your help here to spread the crazy matter so wildely to let Chinese President Xi Jinping know and solve it!
We can do nothing. I'm sad to say that, but it's the truth.
Your government has repeatedly oppressed those it considers threats, that it considers dangerous to its continued existence. The reality is the people of your country must initiate the change from within. And this is going to be hard. But how badly do you want it?
If what I've read follows true, it's time for the Asian spring.
I really...really...hate to say this, given how desperate your situation is. Remember 1989. Remember Tibet. You are the next Tibet.
I pray the Blessed Mother will watch over and protect you.
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Just to point out a very obvious fact. If you're posting from inside The People's Republic of China, the government will be reading what you're sending, and what we're sending back in return. Just saying.
You are certainly serving humanity well, but from the controllers' perspective, what you are doing is a threat to their control system. In their shoes/mind: What if more people follow your ideas and start building their own eco village. Remember the game of them is called ultimate control. Spreading the matter wide MAY NOT be a wise idea/decision from my humble opinion. Letting your president know MAY cause you more new troubles than solving your existing one. If I were you, I will stay low profile, do your job, but be a street smart, try getting along well with different parties(including local officials), and let time and chaos passes.Quote:
Posted by xidaijena
After the storm is over, you and your villagers will thrive!
You need to be careful, there are obviously forces at work here that don't want your community to flourish. As a foreigner in China, I'm VERY well treated; in nearly 6 years, I have NEVER witnessed anything untoward, and am only aware of the unpleasantness that goes on here via some friends. I don't know the fullness of your situation, and can only suggest that if your occupation of the land is 100% legal, and if your community leader hasn't done anything to antagonize a local official, then I'd like to believe the police should help you. It seems that the people attacking you are "local" people, but from the photos, they do not look like local peasant farmers to me ! If they are, they don't resemble any of the countryside dwellers I encounter in Sichuan. Is there a possibility they are government people mascarading as locals ??
I don't know. But it certainly seems as though there is much more going on here than a simple dispute with a village community. Does your community leader have any influential contacts ? Have you taken legal advice ?
Good luck, 小心啊！
My heart goes out to you xidaijena and all the people living in your community...its an extremely frustrating situation--<3 <3 <3
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My sincere thanks indeed for sharing this important story -- from the other side of the world from many of us! I'm very glad you are here with us on Avalon. The perspective you can provide can help us all a very great deal.
There's some evidence to suggest that communities like yours are regarded as potential threats by authorities in almost every country. Avalon member giovonni, who lives with James Gilliand on his ranch community ECETI, in Washington State in the Northwest USA, will be happy to tell the story about how James's community was also attacked by local authorities with an apparent agenda to take him down.
Giovonni reports regularly from James' ranch, on this thread:
Up At The Ranch And Beyond
It's almost like a kind of religious persecution, that's been going on for thousands of years in every culture. If you are 'different', and are seeking to live your life according to different principles, values and beliefs, that's always a threat to the control system of the state. It's seen throughout history, and it's a kind of archetype: that's also why that very theme is at the center of the storyline of so many Hollywood movies (the most recent of those is The Hunger Games). Everyone recognizes it. It's always there.
I wish you well in everything you're doing. It feels important, and it also feels very important that you're able to thrive and succeed in your vision. We salute you and all your friends. Please let them know that there are people now in Australia, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, and both North and South America (and other places too!) who are all supporting you.
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The above image is taken from the movie The Hunger Games. I can't know if you have seen this in China. The heroine, Katniss Everdeen, makes a three-fingered salute to the millions that are watching her in the televised fight-to-the-death contest -- inspiring a revolution as she does so.
Like a pack of jealous hyenas! :mad2:
I'm very sorry to hear this. Thank you for your efforts, Jena, you're stellar!
It may surprise many, but homeowners' rights seem to be quite well protected in China, judging by what happened in the case of a man who owned a building right where a highway was supposed to be constructed. He had the right to keep his house or be compensated. Eventually he agreed to the latter.
If there's vicious people from the local authorities against you, maybe then it's appropriate to let the central government know that local authorities are abusing their power, which would be something that the central government would not want. – 天高皇帝远
In a case like yours, you just gotta think strategically, because being in the right morally doesn't help you when push comes to shove. You gotta see who could have an interest in helping you or who could have an interest in pushing back those who attack you. Find out what leverage you have, who your allies could be, very pragmatically, and go for it, gently but firmly.
Good luck, always! :hug:
Thank you for posting this, like Bill said your vision and situation are special, the work you do is important, thank you. I do not know the locals as you do, nor do I have the understandings that you do, regarding the local political or cultural environment, but I do have one small piece of advice, for what it's worth.
Your old countryman Master Zi or Sun Zu pointed out that if you are weak yet occupy a central position, either geographically or mentally, you should put great effort to make ally's and friends! Make ally's of your neighbor wherever you can. If one or two remain firmly against your position, with work and time, they will become the minority.
Let your enemies plot, while you focus your intentions instead on helping people OUTSIDE of your community, with the support of your wider community you undermine their strength.
Together we are stronger. Love to you, your family and your mission...x... N (holding up one hand with three finger salute)
The show of force is designed to spread fear into your peaceful environment , the ptb do not want people to be free , or peaceful , and especially organized in living , growing food , depending on yourselves ... The mention of their statement you have ten days , now your group will have sleepless nights and live in fear of what may or may not happen ...Peacefully protesting and standing your ground will openly show the governments tyranny and insanity to the world ... we wish you all the best in your struggle to live and be free ... we can spread the word , the one thing leaders fear the most , being treated like celebrity , shinning the light on them , making them famous around the world ...thus exposing their dirty deeds ...
Hello Xidaijena
While i empithise with your situation whats needed right now is to effect fast counter measures to ensure your safety.
Firstly what is being done to repair and fortify your front gate ? If it can be kicked in so easily then you may risk a return attack.
Secondly how many men do you have in your community ?
As part of your community do you learn self defence ? Any sort of dicipline to encourage strength and confidence ?
What i can see is a long narrow path to your front gate ? this is good , its important to make the front door hard to get into. This will bide you time in future and also act as a deterrant.
Its no use relying on police etc .. half of these mean are possibly off duty police officers.
Either way i would put in an official complaint with photos and lodge it at your local station then lodge one with your local UN civil rights station.
Dont rely on them to help ,assume they will do nothing, in the mean time fortify your home to make it less of a target.
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Jena, I first want to apologize to you for what I am about to say. I challenged you on this thread of yours: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...rnational-Help
And I am going to challenge you again.
I also want to be clear in saying that I do believe you and the people in your community, that have lived and worked side by side these past few years, are innocents and victims.
There is little doubt in my mind that this solely and I mean solely comes down to money and who put up the very large sums of money to buy this land and all the very expensive and extraordinary improvements and infrastructure.
You said:
These men said the land belonged to them and that you had to be out in 10 days . . . . and I bet they are more than correct.Quote:
Hearing the noices, everyone run up to the gate. We emphasised again that without any offical or legal paper they are not allowed to enter into this land. But they didn't listen to us and the children were frightened and cried. They entered and announced the land belongs to them and they are coming to take the land back. When seeing some of our people took photos, they shouted to us, tried to take our cameras rudely.
Finally we drove them away and they said we should move out in 10 days. Of course we won't do that and let's see what will continue the next!
I do not feel this has much to do with the ideals you have about your eco village and living in harmony with each other and who you call the Creator.
Jena you and the other community members that have lived there the last 2 or 4 (?) years and have done an incredible amount of work to make your community as beautiful as it is today, but in my business/logical mind I keep coming back to who paid all the money for the land, building materials, utilities, equipment etc. to outfit these communities? In the US, what I see in your pictures and on the website this would cost several million dollars. Who had this much money to fund all that has been done in such a short amount of time?
Somewhere on the website I read that the community members surrendered all their earthly possessions to the founder of the organization (I think). I doubt seriously if you and the others in your community had very much in any type of fashion and especially not monetary.
So who contributed all this money to build these communities? You and the others supplied large amounts of sweat equity . . . . who supplied the cash?
I think whoever that is wants their money back . . . . .
I know that I really make people on the forum angry because I have thrown cold water on other ‘community projects’ that have been posted on Avalon . . . one being: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ive-in-Ecuador
I feel strongly that if we are to create truly NEW way of living that are self sustaining, abundant, equal for all, spiritual and all the other we have discussed over the years on this forum, then it truly needs to be NEW and cutting edge and against all other parameters that are so deeply engrained . . . . the main one is money and the huge gulf between those who have and those who have not.
So Jena . . . look down the road of who has the money, where the money came from, where all that money went and exactly who is going to be out in the cold upcoming winter in 10 days . . . just you and the other community family and do you get back what you gave when you entered the community life and/or compensated for all the years of work you and the others have done?
I was only thinking today that China's roll in the New World order, was ,after all the recent disclosures about clandestine eugenics and population control happening in the rest of the world fairly outstandingly honest - at least the Chinese authorities were up front and let the people know what the plan was - one child for every couple. I am sure if the authorities know what is happening they would assist you.
Doesn't China have a kind of magistrate that travels around sorting out peoples disputes? We had a TV program or 2 here in the UK which showed this service at work, it seemed fair, I was impressed.
I hope corruption and simple minded greedy people fail in their 'take all agenda'. May the Chinese Dragon rise up and stop corruption in it's tracks.
Do not fear or be sad -for your gardens will go where you go, the illusion of Heavenly garden will leave when your community leaves. The usurpers will inherit nothing but the weeds of envy and greed. Peace to you all.
I believe communities like yours are the way forward.
Mari, what's the general feeling among the people about the situation in Tibet? Is it the same as the government policy we hear about here on this side of the Pacific? Like...do they recognize the government elected Panchen Lama, do they know about the imprisonment of the actual Panchen Lama? What about the Dalai Lama? You've got a really unique perspective on this and I would GREATLY appreciate your observations on this!!!Quote:
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I do not agree sheme that this community is an example of the way forward.
I have way too many red flags and unanswered questions about this community and its founders and supporters.
I will have to say the pictures of the upset children made me very angry. These children are obviously being used to promote an emotional reaction. They were lined up and pictures taken while they were scared and upset. These children should have been nowhere near this type of highly charged dangerous adult situation. Period.
In my reality your truth blufire is not important to me, your path may be different to mine, you stand with a different perspective and you must see what is in your personal view and what turns you on.
The service to eachother community is where the future points from my perspective, mutual support, physical help, shared child guidance and care is the way forward.
We are all responsible for the future and we must all follow our personal intuitive perception ,with encouragement from like minded souls. We are each other, children are the responsibility of us all.
These children are some of the luckiest children in the world in my opinion.
Can the story be brought to the attention of our own local newspapers?
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These kids don't have a choice. I'm sorry, I agree with Blu here. I've looked deeper into this and I just cannot rationally believe this is on the up and up. Beyond red flags. This is escalating into something very dangerous in a country that is notorious for crushing this kind of thing relentlessly.
I do not trust this situation. I have reason to believe that this group is not behaving with rational control of this situation or for that matter, ANY situation, and it is not going to end well.
Or, alternatively, the Chinese government is putting this up to see just how we'd react to a situation like this. Possible? Yes. Likely? Well....hmmm...
Which isn't to say I don't like you sheme! I do!!! I just don't agree with you on this. (in best Stewart Smalley voice) And that's......okay. ;)
China and America are facing each other off right now- about recently declared protected Chinese Airspace-America ignored the air space ban, we await the Dragons response.
We must not poke the Dragon with this little stick the consequences may be a straw too many, better to stroke the Dragon and get him to roll over for a belly tickle.
"As the dragon rolls over the Weeger, the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama, the SOVREIGN Nation of Tibet, three rocks in an ocean that may have mineral wealth associated with them, Falun Gong, independent media, gay and lesbian rights, ecological rights (smoke is progress! smoke is progress!), an actual free-market economy...the dragon rolled over how many millions to make steel? How many more during a revolution of culture because the dragon had an itch that needed to be scratched...when the dragon starts to roll over on us, do we keep tickling?Quote:
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Again...I like you! Tremendously! I just...disagree!
Like I say The Dragon is the Dragon - upset the Dragon and be destroyed- at least you know where you stand! Upset America/The West- and you have a heart attack, or the building you stand in is powderized, you are forcibly feed poison your kids are sterilized, you are mind manipulated.
China is far from perfect but at least it wears it's paranoia on it's sleeve.
Respect.
You say the local government and surrounding villagers are the ones who have a problem with your community. Why? You haven't said what it is they object to. Do they disagree with your philosophy? Do they have a problem with some part of your social order? Do they find your community a threat to their way of life?
Perhaps they fear what they do not understand. It may be beneficial to invite your neighbors and local government officials to your land. Show them that there is nothing to fear.
Secrecy often encourages rumors and conspiracies. By easing their suspicions you may actually gain supporters for your cause.
Just a thought.
Cheers!
Like Blufire I kept asking where the funds came from. If the community started from scratch built by the members then I will have no trouble of reconciling things. I agree with Blufire look into this matter and you might be able to make the correct decision. If you want you can share us your finding. You see when someone is deep in a situation, with panic perhaps she tends to overlook things. So maybe people here can provide wise input. We really want to help you out of this as many here aspire a community such as yours. Your success is an inspiration to us while your failure may discourage many.
Precisely ! Hypocrisy is far from non-existent here, but it pales into nothingness when compared to the US and the UK. I have orders of magnitude more freedom here than I would in the UK. But I'm a foreigner, I'm treated with respect, courtesy (and curiosity which can get annoying !).Quote:
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Like I said before, I obviously don't know the whole situation with Jena's community, but I feel certain there is more going on here than meets the eye.
Stay safe.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post755333
There is a relevant earlier thread started by xidaijena (Hello to you) that appears to contain very valuable and informative dialog
ED: Another thread started by xidaijena may be helpful to review as well:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post754340
HI xidaijena (had to copy and past that! lol)
Thank you for sharing, I didn't know you lived in a commune. The pictures were very heartwarming and inspiring (the building) and seeing the tears on the young children's face was heartbreaking.
I am completely with Bill on this, there IS a weird trend. It is almost as if they have a special meter and can measure if there is too much positive energy. Small communities of people who live in harmony could and would create that kind of harmony, I know that sounds crazy, but that is what it feels like. I mean what difference does it make if your family is 4 or 5 people or 10 people? or 20 people? There is something very evil operating here.... Either that or jealous people (who work in the government, get wind and have an agenda...)
Communes make a lot of sense and should be considered the wave of the future. They make sense from an efficiency point of view and from an economic point of view. They have the potential to create prosperity and security.
Anyhow I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here, but have you contacted any kind of legal representative to look at the contract that you had? To at least start there, of course beware which type of lawyer you get, you must be very cautious and always aware that if you do not feel comfortable with a any particular one, to kindly tell them very politely that you would like to think over their advice and get back to them... NEVER let a lawyer take control of YOUR DECISION making ability, or scare you like an insurance salesman...
It would be interesting to know from a lawyer's point of view, what the legal interpretation is first. Oddly that seemed to be missing, and also I am not sure what it is like over there, but don't pay anything up front to any lawyer when you are just sharing your information and asking what they can do for YOU. Treat them like any other business man who WANTS YOUR BUSINESS... Over here lawyers make people roll over and bark like circus animals and pay them to just look at them... (why... I don't know... but I think it must be part of their training, which is keeping secrets, and enriching themselves...) None the less you at least need to know what is going on from their point of view... (not that you have to agree...)
Please keep us posted...
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I really hope it is true.
But where there is power and money, there is corruption, in china, corruption is in the systems of everything.
The country is not ruled by laws, but power. And worst things happen in darkness.
We can not hear them because of the cover ups by people who do not wish them to be heard.
I can tell these guy were government hired gangsters... Maybe you should set up more cameras around the area in order to collect evidences, you gonna need them one day.
Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.Quote:
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You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.
Thank you for your mental support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.
You know what's funny?
The 'Chinese' people are far more 'Awake' than that of their supposed foes the 'Americans'...
Everyone's calling out for (Яevolution) in America...
My bet is on the Chinese people will beat them to it by a long shot....:yes4:
Due mostly to the Chinese who educate themselves in Western Countries, going back to their motherland and realizing just how badly suppressed they have been under an 'Elite - Corrupt Communist' rule...!
Of course not to forget those 'Elite Rules' apply to us Westerner's as well, but to a lesser degree...:noidea:
It's great that we have emoticons to express our feelings, otherwise the language would easily get nasty :mad2: X100
Good luck to your community, my heart is with you!
Similar to what is happening with Falun Gong what a bummer
Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.
You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.
Thank you for your metal support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.
Question, love.
Did the petitions help the Dalai Lama, or the people of Tibet?
I'm feeling I could get a lot of flack for what I'm about to say, but it needs to be said.
I don't think you're with the Chinese Government. To quote Tolkien (Samwise you're going to love me for this lol) "I would think the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler."
You began this group in a country that, as has been pointed out in this thread, wears it's intentions on its sleeve. In other words, you knew the risks that were involved before you started doing what you are doing. And that takes courage, and for that I will say well done.
However. There are children involved in what you are doing. Being responsible adults, all things being equal, means that the welfare of these kids has to come first regardless of the political/social/religious/spiritual goals of this group!
If you're going to continue to do what you're doing, in my opinion you have an ethical and moral responsibility to make sure these children are safe first and foremost.
And above all else, you need to really, really, really, really, really understand this!!! Nothing we do outside of China is going to help! Your government will NOT respond to petitions from outside sources! It will not work. No amount of wishing and hoping is going to make it work. It is practically impossible! I'm not being pessimistic here! This is the way it is. This is the way it really is. No philosophical mind bending, no political wishing this is going to get better.
I know you group believes that people who don't believe what you're doing will just discourage it from happening. You need to stop thinking about what you think is going to happen and start looking at what is REALLY going to happen.
*flame retardant pants on*
You made your bed, now you have to lay in it.
Hi dear wisky, yes, you are so right. It's also the worry of local and centre govenments.Quote:
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After the storm is over, you and your villagers will thrive!
But from the speeches of Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping on 18th CPC National Congress, we are inspired by his words such as “the people’s yearning for a better life is our goal”, “respect the people’s pioneering spirit”, “the general public cannot be bullied”, “we need to firmly rely on the people”, “people-oriented”, “everything is for the people”, and so on.The decision made on the Third Plenary Session are also inspiring. We seem to see the prospects of the “beautiful China” and our community. Now all these things happened in our community are all controlled by the local govenments.
Today One of our brothers once lived in the 3rd branch of our community, he wrote an article that those villagers who came to our home to ask us to move out from the 3rd branch every day feared our reprisals and told us plainly that they were hired by some people to do all these things. Those people paid them more than 100 RMB per day, these villagers were very poor and just needed those money to make a good living. These villagers hoped us not to hate them. It's the local govenments' decision to dimiss our community without any legal documents.
We want to stay low profile, but they want us to die! As I said before, there're 150 people living here, and most of them had sold out their properties in the outside world, they won't and can't go back to the outside world again. Many of them live in our community with their whole famiy. What we say and do are within the scope of Chinese constitution and laws, we never violate Chinese laws or commit crimes. We never do harm to nature and other people. We never oppose to Chinese government. We are neither a religious nor a political organization. So we need Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping and centre govenments to give us a feedback about this crazy event and our community.
If he says that we shall dismiss our community, that's no problem, we will do it without any complaints. But now he still doesn't know this matter and the local govenments want to take over our community and dismiss all of us with illegal and crazy methods.There's no way for them to do so! We will protect our community with our lives and fihgt with them by civilized ways.
Hi dear mariposafe, agree with you. Our community was created in 2009, and has been in Yunnan Province for about 4 years.The police knows us very clearly and we do have a very good relationship between them. I have lived here for 2 years, and saw many nice policemen coming and chatting with us. We also have many oversea visitors, their impression to the policemen were nice, too.Quote:
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From our full story of the whole event, you can see that just from this year, something very powerful began to dismiss our community. I don't know why they want us to move out in such a time, either. Or does that mean the new era will come soon? BTW...I'm a believer in 2012 and the coming era. ;)
I can feel you in my heart, dear.Quote:
Posted by CD7
BTW...can you offer your moral help us to sign and spread our petition on Avaaz to save our community?
Chinese President Xi Jinping: Save China’s Largest Ecovillage!
http://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/...est_ecovillage
The event is continuing and anytime it could be getting more serious since they already destroyed the power cable of our 4th branch. We're now using generator for publishing the news here.If any of you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please do tell us:
Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)
Thank you very much! Hugs.