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Meanwhile, whilst some of us are trying to (Wake-Up) the masses. Perhaps you can provide (All the Solutions) to the world's problems...:noidea:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143
In other words, (without knowing) what the (Problems) humanity is facing, how in (Hell) are we going to provide the solutions if the (Problems) aren't identified...:confused:
Regardless of the "Headline"...:confused:
Perhaps you could start more (Threads) to help wake them up...:noidea:
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For the 1,000th time...:faint:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143I Am here because I am AWAKE so where are the people who are asleep are they on Avalon???? or are they watching TV all the time hmmmm ??Quote:
Posted by jackoveskMeanwhile, whilst some of us are trying to (Wake-Up) the masses. Perhaps you can provide (All the Solutions) to the world's problems...:noidea:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143
In other words, (without knowing) what the (Problems) humanity is facing, how in (Hell) are we going to provide the solutions if the (Problems) aren't identified...:confused:
Regardless of the "Headline"...:confused:
Perhaps you could start more (Threads) to help wake the up...:noidea:
I am not hear to (Wake Up) our members...:nono:
Is that Ok with you..???Quote:
I am here to (Wake Up) our ((GUESTS)) who generally are just starting on their journey ((Down the Rabbit Hole))...:yes4:
we are in an information war , the battle for the mind , at least here at Avalon , we can have a conversation , express different viewpoints without invading a country , spending all it's money , killing all it's people , and polluting the environment ...
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Posted by ghostrider
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I get it...:yes4:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143If you want keep posting this stuff be my guest.Quote:
Posted by jackoveskFor the 1,000th time...:faint:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143I Am here because I am AWAKE so where are the people who are asleep are they on Avalon???? or are they watching TV all the time hmmmm ??Quote:
Posted by jackoveskMeanwhile, whilst some of us are trying to (Wake-Up) the masses. Perhaps you can provide (All the Solutions) to the world's problems...:noidea:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143
In other words, (without knowing) what the (Problems) humanity is facing, how in (Hell) are we going to provide the solutions if the (Problems) aren't identified...:confused:
Regardless of the "Headline"...:confused:
Perhaps you could start more (Threads) to help wake the up...:noidea:
I am not hear to (Wake Up) our members...:nono:
Is that Ok with you..???Quote:
I am here to (Wake Up) our ((GUESTS)) who generally are just starting on their journey ((Down the Rabbit Hole))...:yes4:
I made a suggestion and you already resisted anyway when it was suggestion strange is it not ?
Free will is a great thing BUT it can become your worst enemy.
But when you included one of my 'Headlines' right at the top of the list...
I thought to myself this bloke is trying to (Pigeon-Hole my Posts as a "Distraction") to be honest mate, I really didn't appreciate it at all...:nono:Quote:
Examples of current distractions on avalon ---->
"Bill Gates developing the "DEATH-SEX" Condom..!"
Jack
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No need to (over-complicate) it...:nono:Quote:
Posted by Mu2143It happening because it is the people creating it and they justQuote:
Posted by ghostrider
don't know that and when you haven't focused on how to heal your self how are you going to heal
some one else if you just mirror out what your are still
creating without knowing what your are creating?
Trust me if you knew what your where doing daily in the spiritual realm
you would know what it is ,but most people don't see what they are doing.
Do you ever feel angry or angy against some one and you
don't know why it is happening?
Pay attention to your emotion for unresolved issues from your past & present
Beause when you spreading info does emotions are going to effect other people
How you share that Truth, is up to the individual...:yes4:Quote:
The (TRUTH) is simple, its just plain old (COMMON-SENSE)..!
If you don't like it, ((Don't Pay Attention To It))
IMHO although we are at or close to the 100th Monkey effect, for now I will continue to post the way I always have...:yes4:
When I feel we are at the (Mass Awareness) stage, I promise I'll add a little more 'Spirituality' to my posts (Note: In my own way "I'm already doing that!)...:yes4:
PS - Here is my Mantra and my last statement on this thread...
Its your thread mate, you get the last say...:thumb:Quote:
Spirituality = Truth & Truth = Spirituality...:yes4:
:wave:
The irony is that your posts are just as much a part of the tapestry as the next. They are ultimately no better or worse, however, it appears you think you're a better judge of that. How wonderful is that?Quote:
Posted by Mu2143It happening because it is the people creating it and they justQuote:
Posted by ghostrider
don't know that and when you haven't focused on how to heal your self how are you going to heal
some one else if you just mirror out what your are still
creating without knowing what your are creating?
Trust me if you knew what your where doing daily in the spiritual realm
you would know what it is ,but most people don't see what they are doing.
Do you ever feel angry or angy against some one and you
don't know why it is happening?
Pay attention to your emotion for unresolved issues from your past & present
Beause when you spreading info does emotions are going to effect other people
http://electjudgezamora.com/wp-conte...rnia-judge.jpg
http://www.rayhelinski.com/wp-conten...4/01/world.jpg
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There are many threads that I don't read on Avalon, I usually only read the ones that I am drawn to. Most of the negative news and conspiracy ones I am not drawn to...this is not why I am here but it's different for some others who make difference in different ways...I am mainly drawn to the spiritual, relationship, loving, and fun ones...but at times I do think it's good to and read up a little on some news or conspiracy or truth things...
Maybe Bill should change the header into: "Where conspiracy and negativity meets spirituality". I have tried to include some science-based thinking into certain threads but that only leads to fierce opposition, stranding into statements that science is all all a big cover up. http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/misc/49.gif
Yes,
We need to know what is going on that tries to keep US from "going on"...and in the meantime(all the time):
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post878131
What if the negativity itself keeps (blocks) us from going on... I look inside for guidance, its all there... I don't really need the science either, but for me its way better than all the conspiracy and negativity, because science at least tends to be 'neutral'...Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit
...undo any block cuz we can...transform the negative cuz we can...make yin and yang higher musicQuote:
Posted by SkyhavenWhat if the negativity itself keeps (blocks) us from going on... I look inside for guidance, its all there...Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit
Absolutely we can! But we should consider weaning of the news/conspiracy stuff though, because time wasted on the deep detailed forest of illusion of the outside world, could be spend much better sharpening the inner vision, which is of real value because this we can bring along from lifetime to lifetime!Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit...undo any block cuz we can...transform the negative cuz we can...make yin and yang higher musicQuote:
Posted by SkyhavenWhat if the negativity itself keeps (blocks) us from going on... I look inside for guidance, its all there...Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit
Conspiracy and spirituality are two sides of the same coin. They are both about our inner power: disabling it or releasing it. If you are pushing a car to start it, you want to make sure that the person in the driving seat hasn't put the handbrake on and/or engaged reverse gear. The person who checks that is contributing as much as any pusher.
But you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?Quote:
Posted by araucaria
Yeah, but you don't carry on pushing, do you? You then walk all the way to the front of the car to make sure the handbrake is off and it is not something deliberate that is going to happen again.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenBut you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?Quote:
Posted by araucaria
Science is no better by the way. Read the scathing critiques of the way science is done by scientists like Tom van Flandern, Rupert Sheldrake or Brian O'Leary.
...speaking to a smiling member of the choir singing right alongQuote:
Posted by SkyhavenAbsolutely we can! But we should consider weaning of the news/conspiracy stuff though, because time wasted on the deep detailed forest of illusion of the outside world, could be spend much better sharpening the inner vision, which is of real value because this we can bring along from lifetime to lifetime!Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit...undo any block cuz we can...transform the negative cuz we can...make yin and yang higher musicQuote:
Posted by SkyhavenWhat if the negativity itself keeps (blocks) us from going on... I look inside for guidance, its all there...Quote:
Posted by eaglespirit
No you don't, if you can discern by observation, logic and experiment (science) that its the handbrake, then you can do something about it....there's no point if you don't really know, to blame it on the engine, or the gasoline, or whatever... This is paranoia, or in other words, misplaced fear.Quote:
Posted by araucariaYeah, but you don't carry on pushing, do you? You then walk all the way to the front of the car to make sure the handbrake is off and it is not something deliberate that is going to happen again.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenBut you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?Quote:
Posted by araucaria
Science is no better by the way. Read the scathing critiques of the way science is done by scientists like Tom van Flandern, Rupert Sheldrake or Brian O'Leary.
Sorry, the science bit was an add-on in response to something else you mentioned. My point is that good scientists have a big problem with the way science is generally conducted.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenNo you don't, if you can discern by observation, logic and experiment (science) that its the handbrake, then you can do something about it....there's no point if you don't really know, to blame it on the engine, or the gasoline, or whatever... This is paranoia, or in other words, misplaced fear.Quote:
Posted by araucariaYeah, but you don't carry on pushing, do you? You then walk all the way to the front of the car to make sure the handbrake is off and it is not something deliberate that is going to happen again.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenBut you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?Quote:
Posted by araucaria
Science is no better by the way. Read the scathing critiques of the way science is done by scientists like Tom van Flandern, Rupert Sheldrake or Brian O'Leary.
I agree, I am talking about 'observation, logic and experiment (science)', not 'paranoia'. You push the car because the battery may be flat or the spark plugs not working too well. If you can't even push it, no one in their right mind is going to blame the gasoline.
Conspiracy research is about catching the man at the wheel working against the ones at the back: that's all I'm saying. It's not a very good analogy because it's an unlikely situation. But then again, so is the situation we are facing: which is why 'plausible deniability' is such a powerful weapon.
The great deception which whistle blowers have brought to our attention and which is the main reason why most of us are here would cause quite a stir, with different emotional reactions.
In a way it has herded us into a bottleneck, which then in turn can be a make or break event.
So for some this great shock means that we realize that there is life after disclosure, and we find ourselves on a new level, where our own consciousness has been raised a notch, and we discover that we can influence our reality. This is something to rejoice over. Others are still voicing their "I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore!!!" anger, and should have the right to do so, since it is a natural human reaction to deception.
And some of us alternate with our emotions, and find ourselves in both camps, with changeable moods.
Frankly, I have at times felt like the OP, feeling myself slipping into lower states of consciousness and coming online in the hope that someone will cheer me up with an uplifting spiritual message.
Staring the "Here and Now...What's Happening?" thread has been a great help, as it attracted quite a few members who have the scientific knowledge as well as gleaned the spiritual vision.
So Im really glad and grateful for that, because for me it's hardly ever about either-or, but a matter of BOTH. All co-existence is possible once people understand that the universe is big enough for all of us.
Yes I agree, there are scientist who don't abide by the strict code of conducting valid science, but that doesn't mean 'science' as a principle is invalid, as many are preaching here. It only means the work of the practitioners is invalid, not the entirety of science.Quote:
Posted by araucariaSorry, the science bit was an add-on in response to something else you mentioned. My point is that good scientists have a big problem with the way science is generally conducted.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenNo you don't, if you can discern by observation, logic and experiment (science) that its the handbrake, then you can do something about it....there's no point if you don't really know, to blame it on the engine, or the gasoline, or whatever... This is paranoia, or in other words, misplaced fear.Quote:
Posted by araucariaYeah, but you don't carry on pushing, do you? You then walk all the way to the front of the car to make sure the handbrake is off and it is not something deliberate that is going to happen again.Quote:
Posted by SkyhavenBut you don't have to walk all the way to the front of the car to check if the handbrake is on... you can feel it when you push right?Quote:
Posted by araucaria
Science is no better by the way. Read the scathing critiques of the way science is done by scientists like Tom van Flandern, Rupert Sheldrake or Brian O'Leary.
I agree, I am talking about 'observation, logic and experiment (science)', not 'paranoia'. You push the car because the battery may be flat or the spark plugs not working too well. If you can't even push it, no one in their right mind is going to blame the gasoline.
Conspiracy research is about catching the man at the wheel working against the ones at the back: that's all I'm saying. It's not a very good analogy because it's an unlikely situation. But then again, so is the situation we are facing: which is why 'plausible deniability' is such a powerful weapon.
I get your analogue... I just wonder if the fear and negativity that come a long with the conspiracies justify the inherent incomplete, possibly false, truths. Because you can't really tell the truth if you can't observe, feel and experiment with the subject at hand.
Sure a lot of people are willing to take in the fear that comes with certain half-truths, but one should't really underestimate the power of fear in the psyche...
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Posted by ulli
Yes I agree with you Ulli, but for me it feels tiresome if I see a thread that is hinting towards some alternate truth, with negative implications, but doesn't follow through to solid evidence (based on the scrutiny of scientific evidence). It induces fear because your not quite sure (paranoia).
I'm struggling to stay open, and remain unaffected at times... but i'm watching, and taking it in anyway. So I feel a bit like the dog in the image below, which is also suggested by the OP.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps2815ab37.jpg
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Posted by ulli
Yes I agree with you Ulli, but for me it feels tiresome if I see a thread that is hinting towards some alternate truth, with negative implications, but doesn't follow through to solid evidence (based on the scrutiny of scientific evidence). It induces fear because your not quite sure (paranoia).
I'm struggling to stay open, and remain unaffected at times... but your watching, and taking it in anyway. So I feel a bit like the dog in the image below, which is also suggested by the OP.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps2815ab37.jpg
I love that picture. Wow.
Everyone is impressionable, some more than others. As sensitivity levels rise it is a good idea to make wise choices, as to what impressions one wants to subject oneself to. The choice is ours, but due to our dual nature the force of habit can be so great that we can't even press the button on the TV clicker. Even though the higher self screams 'turn it off!!'
Conversations about winning this inner battle can be very helpful, even if they don't give the exact recipe how to go about it.
In the final analysis we are alone with those choices. (My spell checker just now had switched the word choices into couches, which gave me a chuckle.)
Take two pounds of choice potatoes... now what? :)Quote:
Posted by ulli
I know its all a choice... In the past I was all about making bold choices, if something was slightly off I would turn away from the whole matter... Now I'm not sure if this is the right way... I'm starting to learn that one can actually situate one self in the eye of the storm, where there is actually calmness. Staying in the center of the circle, while still perceiving all the turmoil, but not being affected by it.
Gotta hand it to you, araucaria. Just having you on this thread must restore the OP's faith in Avalon.Quote:
Posted by araucariaTake two pounds of choice potatoes... now what? :)Quote:
Posted by ulli
Good one! And you can practice that until it, too, gets boring.Quote:
Posted by Skyhaven
Then perhaps you might want to try something new...
Like shoot a laser beam or a soap bubble into the surrounding chaos just to see what will happen.
All creativity begins with experimentation.
Did you just suggest I should post pictures of soap bubbles in conspiracy threads? http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gifQuote:
Posted by ulliGood one! And you can practice that until it, too, gets boring.Quote:
Posted by Skyhaven
Then perhaps you might want to try something new...
Like shoot a laser beam or a soap bubble into the surrounding chaos just to see what will happen.
All creativity begins with experimentation.
If you don't, I will.
There! I beat you to it. Oh, look, a dragon!!!!!
http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~iman/SoapB...ble_Dragon.png
Or a bubble that protects against the negativity! http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...5_964x1144.jpg
Or the always PC love heart
http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple...ubbleIcon2.png
That's a chimera - it cheerfully ignores the laws of surface tension so it can't exist. But blowing away surface tensions is right on topic.Quote:
Posted by ulli
wow, bubbles are awesome! http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/E0/B12ED6...98_w598_m2.jpg
Meet the Fish Scientist. He thinks there is something fishy going on and so he does experiments. There is no way to do experiments outside his environment because wherever he or his equipment is will also be the environment. He may have theories that there is something outside that environment but the proof will be lacking as stated above. His only conclusion will then be a theory that is also subject to a theory that his theory is only a theory in the realm (environment) of science.
http://www.littleaquariumapp.com/wp-...Fish-Adult.png
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...26_634x409.jpg