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Bill Ryan
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Hello, All:
Behind the scenes last night US time, the mods were racking their brains to see if we could figure out what this was about. It concerned everyone, because of course it was an attack on the entire forum, as many here have pointed out.
GoodETxSG refused to say, though one of the moderators was able to get through to him directly. We still do not know.
The best guess we have is the following. Jeffrey (thank you! :) ) found this on Above Top Secret, from 2006. I remember it now.
The story concerns ANOTHER 'Bill Ryan" (not me this is an older, American man) who was in the Church of Scientology in the 70s and early 80s. The best hypothesis we have is that GoodETxSG, and his wife SilverPhoenix, found this (or were told about it), and assumed immediately that I had been lying to the forum all along.
Here it all is, faithfully copied. You can go look it up here:
http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thre...189#pid1984456
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Originally posted by Shawnna
Hi Bill. I'm really hoping you can help me (and others with an interest in this aspect of our Serpo saga) understand something. I found information that would lead me to believe that, in fact, you did have a connection with the CofS - and - assuming it is the same "Bill Ryan" - a very deep connection at that.
This link takes the viewer to a page that lists Scientology's "Sea Organization Flag Order 3476 - 5; July 12, 1975; Promotions - Officer's Selection Board - 2nd Quarter 1975" where an individual with your name apparently was promoted to PO2 (ADMIN)?
http://holysmoke.org/mo/officers-selection-board-1975.htm
Scroll down about half-way through the list:
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AB BILL RYAN is promoted to PO2 (ADMIN).
Are we to believe that there is another "Bill Ryan" who was deeply involved in Scientology's Sea Organization in the mid- 1970s?
Hi, Shawnna
Many thanks, and I appreciated the way you posed the question. No, that's not me. I was never in the Church of Scientology, let alone the "Sea Org" which was a 24/7 full-time job.
My own timeline round about that period is that after graduating in 1974 I worked for six months as a nursing auxiliary in a hospital (because I was thinking of studying medicine) and then spent the summer of 1975 at home with my parents in Kent.
In early September 1975 I went to start my Teaching Certificate at Aberystwyth, having decided not to be a doctor. I only became interested in Hubbard's personal development "clearing" processes after I did the est training in London in 1984, and wondered where on earth he (Werner Erhard) had got it all from.
Best, Bill
This was not my husband and I in a conspiracy using google to try to dig up dirt on bill. It was the correct bill ryan.
The links I posted were some that I remembered being displayed and the others I found after my husband closed the citrix shared session page the documents and links were displayed on from his conference call. This person is sending the documents of both the people talked about to my husband in the mail.
This person is both a high ranking Scientology Member with access to their maticulous records and also a person that works at the DHS that my husband worked with and has known and used to get background information on people for years. They displayed records on a citrix conference page and went over some of the church terms and abbreviations.
He was only asked about the material on the entity subject and if it was related to Scientology and he was very motivated to showed the scientology and fringe scientology papers on these subjects and went on from there to showing dossier file documents on bill and some other person my husband had requested information about several weeks back that I do not know. They had a lot of aliases.
For me this is just too much stress on this web site and not at all the environment my husband had bragged about for years. I have watched him being attacked personally by members in emails and on the website since he came out with his background at great personal risk with my full support. My own serious agitation began with bill being extremely condescending and out right rude to him in skype a couple of weeks ago. This was not just myself or my husband being overly sensitive! It was very arrogant, rude and uncalled for.
When bill then openly was disrespectful and condescending on this web site over information he disagreed with and didn't match his own beliefs I became even more upset. I have also been observing my husband spending hours on the computer in email, chat and skype rendering aid to some very damaged and fragile people. His psychology and profiling background has assisted him and he has spent many hours of time meditating before every session he spends with these broken people.
Bill seemed to feel he has the right to behave like this to people and hold a grudge and not care if it undid any progress that was going on with the work my husband was doing and bringing people to a help group or referring them to special councilors. Others have told us he wraps himself in the phrase that it is his responsibility to handle situations. No matter the manner it is done and never apologetic in his tactics. He seemed too wrapped up in being right and not tolerating anyone standing their ground on his turf. I am not perfect and this is just how it appeared to me and many others who have written emails that he has shown me.
I am protective of my family and after all my husband has been through he didn't deserve the disrespect from bill in skype or here on Avalon. He told me not to criticize bill on the site because there were people that were absolute die hard fans that can see no wrong in anything bill does and will attack me viciously, that has been very clear to me.
It is also clear to me that when I posted information that was not at all slander but just affiliation information of bill and the Free Form Scientology movement and it was edited, then I changed it back and then I added some simple links to information about this form of Scientology my posts were deleted and called slander.
The links were just information that matched much of bills information that were posted by former Scientologists who were known to be associated with the Free Form Scientology movement.
My husband said once the documents arrive he will not publish them or hold them over bills head. He was mainly interested in the second persons "dossier" and background information. Every human, has secrets and has a past they are not always proud of. My husband said that it would be unethical for him to publish this info and that with him doing his own releasing of information he was told to expect people who were once close to turn on him and try to discredit him recently in a meeting. He said he wouldn't like anyone posting information like this that is 40 years old about him either. I am proud he is taking the high road and am sorry I even brought it up in anger.
After seeing the floating ethics, the dark side of some of the members, some disturbing psychological archetypes and the sites celebrity founder I have been blown away. After feeling the way people go for your throat in public and in very nasty emails and still consider themselves Enlightened is highly hypocritical to me. I am on the path myself and have a long way to go. I have also met some genuine and wonderful people on this site who show signs of Enlightenment and have sent both my husband and myself some very supportive emails through all of this.
I wanted to make all of this clear as this was already starting to be turned into a conspiracy theory much like what Kerry did when she used my husbands full name in one of her video's. She said that my husband was involved in a conspiracy to bring down her web site because he demanded she remove his name from her site and video for our own security. She even went as far to say my husband had brain washed Avalon. Some times people in this interesting field can be their own worst enemies with out outside attacks when they are always looking for demons under doilies. Ego's are very weird things.
people are asking about his blog in these emails. I don't know his secret email address that he is using to do counciling but the blog is
http://goodetxsg-secretspaceprogram.blogspot.com/
Thank you and I apologize for offending people here and forgive those who were very nasty without having the full details. I had just had enough of things that were going on that the rest of you were not aware of and viewed from my perspective. I will not be coming back here to look at the manipulation or hate that follows. I honestly cannot take any more of the abuse towards my family or myself.
Stacy
