Charlie Hebdo shooting: eleven dead at Paris offices of satirical magazine

http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...-charlie-hebdo

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9962337.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...&utm_hp_ref=uk


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...do-attack.html

Update: 12 dead

I just saw this.
Actually, this is where Nostradamus comes to mind. I read him ages ago, and Islam, and Paris were mentioned a lot.

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I just saw this.
Actually, this is where Nostradamus comes to mind. I read him ages ago, and Islam, and Paris were mentioned a lot.

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They do it with mirrors. Was Nostradamus channeling people taking inspiration from the writings of… Nostradamus? Presumably it just adds to the fear. We've had armed police on the streets and tighter security checks in certain public places, so I guess we knew something was on the way.

From http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pr...profecia02.htm

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Paris will be destroyed:

The great city will be thoroughly desolated
Of the inhabitants a single one will not remain:
Wall, sex, temple and virgin violated,
By iron, fire, pestilence, cannon people will die. (C.3:84)


In Avignon the chief of the whole empire
Will make a stop on the way to desolated Paris:
Tricast will hold the anger of Hannibal:
Lyon will be poorly consoled for the change. (C.3:93)

The Moslem advance will be halted at "Tricast", which might be the French city of Troyes, or St. Paul-Trois-Chateaux. Nostradamus wrote several quatrains that prophesy great tribulations for the British people, who will rally against the Moslems:

Towards Aquitane by the British isles
By these themselves great incursions
Rain, frosts will make the soil uneven,
Port Selyn will make mighty invasions. (C.2:1)

Aquitane is a large province in southwest France, where the British, et al, will land and attack the Moslems.

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I gather one journalist killed was the cartoonist Cabu, known to millions for decades as the creator of the character Mon Beauf’ (my brother-in-law) – the vulgar, racist, brutal relation we all have to some extent, embodying the worst of everything and who makes us cringe. The military version of this character was "l'adjutant Kronenbourg" (Kronenbourg being a brand of beer).



http://www.michel-lafon.fr/livre/145...Integrale.html



Here is an interview on a mainstream TV news program.
https://fr.news.yahoo.com/video/cabu...155525720.html

A demonstration of solidarity is being organized at the nearby Place de la République at 7pm local time tonight.

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Some info on the satirical cartoonists killed:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...ts--ekS2RErdcl

Charb's last cartoon in this week's edition:

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Translation:
Still no terrorist attacks in France
Hang on: we have until the end of January to present our season's greetings.

...and the attackers spoke perfect french. They were masked, of course. The indication from that comment, from one of the survivors..is that 'perfect french' means exactly that, perfect accent-less french. Ie, a near native tongue speaking of french, if not a native french speaker.

Which plays into the aspect of a false flag.

Radicals always resort to guns in order to maintain their fear mongering and division. After all, if the population is not polarized by fear, dread, and undercurrents of permanent war and siege, ..if that is not in place, they might begin to think.

So, take a country that is attempting to plot a moderate course, trying to break from a 'unity of fear'...and break that moderate course attempt.

A typical hidden hand move. One act, multiple agenda directions fulfilled.

The general public, being polarized along the lines of simple logic that they can fall into and believe as it fits the notions they've been fed all their lives, will believe it is a pure isil or 'Al-Qaeda' attack.

Which is far from likely, IMO & IME.

Get all the initial information that you can, if one is interested in investigating this. The early information is almost always the most uncontrolled and uncluttered, or, the least doctored.

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The newspaper articles are saying 'Islamic gunmen'.

When actually, the people, the police, the newspapers... don't know a bloody thing. They heard one bit of 'god is great', and a bunch of masked men committed this act, whom spoke perfect french. That is all they know.

So they know nothing, but are projecting a forced assumption. This is classic controlled directives at the point of initiation. Where to insert the lie? Right under people's noses, of course.

This video is unedited it shows all the details.
User Discretion Advised
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...FRENCH_SATIRE/

I do find it strange that he could shoot him point blank and have no sign of blood splatter or damage to the body.
The officers body movement as he is being shot is very strange as well.
A high powered bullet at that range would have gone through and nicked the sidewalk maybe even caused a spark or a burst.

Ive seen a guy get shot on the sidewalk with a ak-47, lots of sparks and blood.

This all looks very suspicious.

video already gone.

Point being that head shots create massive gouts of blood, as the body goes crazy and brings the blood pressure up to the highest levels is will ever deal with, unless being crushed.

There is even a well known and widely applied aspect of crime scene forensics to deal with that aspect, which is 'blood spatter patterns'.

Suffice it to say, a head shot at point blank range, with a AK-47 7.62x39 FMJ round, will be about 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. This means a severe trauma of the brain tissue and a great amount of arterial destruction (in the brain). Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

If I remember correctly, the reason why norwegian police officers have been armed since last year (norwegian military personell were told not to use their uniform like they usually do when travelling to and from work) -and still will be, at least until 15. february- is that some high ranking member of IS(IS) in a statement allegedly asked for a killing of western police and military personell.

Therefore I think this incident in Paris today can work as a part of an explanation from the «authorities» as to why the general security needs to be (further) strengthened across Europe.

Here is the video of the cop being shot: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

Now, if this is indeed a false flag, the perpetrators are required to be able to 'get away', in the attack proper.

check.

And possibly strange goings on, like shootings in the head recorded (on tape-video) that don't quite come out correctly.

check.

That a false flag occurs in a highly disputed environment, one that is key to a given wideband situation - in multiple/manifold ways.

Check.

Later on comes the set up for some patsys. They would be, of course, cornered and have no way to get out..and be killed, so they can't talk. Or, be burned beyond recognition, in an explosion and possibly fire, combined. Classic french farm hideout stuff might be the outcome here. Or maybe an apartment flat. Something wooden, possibly with a basement, so stuff can explode and burn, and destroy evidence that could be sifted through.

Watch for it.

We shall see.

The only way to prevent discourse or investigation into potential false flag events, is to close the doors, to seal off the routes by which questions might emerge.

Finality may not emerge until it is seen how the public reacts. for example, to let them 'get away with it' so draconian border, transportation, and travel control and observation measures could be put into place. ie, no perpetrators ever caught, so the PTB push would be to enact extreme control of the public in France, and all things tied to physical motion, finances, and so on.

Watch for potential in what happened with the USA, which was a giant bit of pre-arranged garbage called the patriot act. It was pulled out of a drawer, whole-cloth and wholly pre-written (over 1000 pages of very precisely written legalese), and then turned into law in about a week or two. Such a complex tome would have actually taken a few years to put together, at the least.

And weren't AK-47 designed to cause maximum damage IE the bullets start to flip to cause biggest hole it can, and ejection!

from the writings of Enoch , and it will be the fanatics of Islam will rise up and all of Europe will shake and quiver , England will be thrown down to lowest level of Misery , the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time ... not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of Earth , as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world ... France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside but will be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces ... this can be envisioned as many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time , and specifically Islam , which will be this force from within ...

This French guy was visiting us this week. (Kindly run a machine translation, as: no English version available)

Apparently his was the suggestion to deport all French muslims. There was opposition to him visiting Belgium and why our politicians would waste their time and money to hear such talk in an exclusive (ticket payable) lecture (but that was before the shooting).

At the same time we're hearing a lot about a new book by another Frenchman called Soumission (Submission) (the same title as Van Gogh's film Submission, before he was murdered) (mach. transl, pls) and it's about how a muslim becomes the president of France and how the country is turned into a muslim nation.

In this article (requires transl) and in this article (=Engl.), the journalists were one step ahead of me, in making the same links. :)

My condolences to the families of the victims.

False flag.
a big interest in pointing enemy , instead of settling the real problems.
Continuous fascism.

From DailyMail:

"Were they militarily trained? Terrifying footage shows how highly-trained Charlie Hebdo terrorists gunned down police with ruthless efficiency as they made getaway

Gunmen filmed shooting police officer dead in street with military precision

Audio recordings suggest they are using 'double tap' technique to shoot

Used by armed forces to save ammo while causing maximum casualties 

Movement also indicated training as they constantly covered one another"

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-Paris.html

From youtube:

"Quartet of murdered French cartoonists among country's finest satirists"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sNPl_cujNac

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from the writings of Enoch , and it will be the fanatics of Islam will rise up and all of Europe will shake and quiver , England will be thrown down to lowest level of Misery , the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time ... not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of Earth , as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world ... France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside but will be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces ... this can be envisioned as many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time , and specifically Islam , which will be this force from within ...

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Just to be clear, are you referring to the book of enoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch) which pre-dates Islam?

My deep condolences to everyone at Charlie Hebdo.

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Ils voulaient mettre à genoux la France, ils l'ont mise debout. Toutes mes prières aux victimes.


http://www.lemonde.fr/attaque-contre...2_4550668.html

Les images en direct:

http://www.france24.com/fr/20150107-...e-hebdo-paris/

Voici la vidéo que les stations de télé Fancophone diffuse présentement sans auncune censure: Attention c'est d'une violence inouie!

http://dai.ly/x2e6vh3

Heartbreaking.

Oh look, two birds (of many no doubt) killed with one stone...

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Cabu was involved in Hara-Kiri magazine in its early days. Founded in 1960, the staunchly anti-establishment publication was twice banned temporarily by the French government before being permanently banned in 1970 following the death of Charles de Gaulle. Following that censorship, the magazine morphed into Charlie Hebdo, with Cabu continuing to contribute.

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Cabu has been a long time irritant it seems.

On the heels of a recently released (2014) French movie "Colt .45"... whoever they are, I suspect they are US funded.

Google translate from Metronews:

«INFO MetroNews - Attack Charlie Hebdo, the three suspects were identified

ATTACK - According to our information, the three wanted by the police after the attack occurred Wednesday morning in the offices of Charlie Hebdo were identified.

Their names and dates of birth are in police hands. Wednesday night, hours after the terrible attack against the newspaper Charlie Hebdo, the identities of the three suspects were known to the police.

This would be three men aged 18, 32, 34 years. The two thirty, of French nationality, are brothers born in the 10th arrondissement of Paris. They are named Said and Cherif K .. The nationality of the younger Hamyd M., homeless, was not known. The latter was registered in 2014 Terminal S in a school in Charleville-Mezieres in the Academy of Reims (Champagne-Ardennes). The Union Ardennes indicated at the end of the afternoon the RAID went side Reims.»

Link: http://www.metronews.fr/info/attenta...6R1qjYdgLbxjQ/

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And weren't AK-47 designed to cause maximum damage IE the bullets start to flip to cause biggest hole it can, and ejection!

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The American 5.56 was designed to tumble.

the AK-47, was designated with that title, due to the year of it's introduction, which is 1947.

It was modeled after the original from WWII, the first assault rifle, the German MP 43 and MP 44.

They saw a lot of action on the eastern front, which is how the Russians came to decide on making their own easy to build version of them. Both of those were basically smaller than most rifles and auto machine guns of the time, which is perfect for effective close quarters fighting, which warfare had become by that time. The design of the AK-47 was for short and medium range use in city, town, street, cluttered or wooded environments, maxing out around 250m, but more like 'across the street and around corners'. Ie, power in the range and distances required. An AK-47 has a potent enough round that a light glancing blow on the head is enough to shatter the skull and break so many blood vessels in the brain that death is the result.

In the final analysis, they were never designed to tumble. Again, to clarify the American 5.56 design was designed to tumble. Or, more correctly, possibly..that it was shown to tumble and no redesign effort to eliminate the pronounced effect was ever undertaken. They were brought into service to help overcome the considered shortcomings of the (at that time) near ubiquitous .308 full auto big-bore units.

This his my point of view about this horrible event:

Freedom of the press is an inalienable freedom, and if one is challenging a publication, it is enough peaceful means of expressing his own opinion. It is now too late to say that journalists would be wrong, which remains unproven. On these barbaric methods, no to compromise : It is vile ; it is loose, it's horrible ; this is barbaric! It is a sad day, je n'ai plus de mot...

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video already gone.

Point being that head shots create massive gouts of blood, as the body goes crazy and brings the blood pressure up to the highest levels is will ever deal with, unless being crushed.

There is even a well known and widely applied aspect of crime scene forensics to deal with that aspect, which is 'blood spatter patterns'.

Suffice it to say, a head shot at point blank range, with a AK-47 7.62x39 FMJ round, will be about 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. This means a severe trauma of the brain tissue and a great amount of arterial destruction (in the brain). Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

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They remove the video and I put again.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Be8tXmF5RrY

This video has been removed in violation of YouTube's policy on shocking and disgusting content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8W-ZAh7MQVY

This video has been removed in violation of YouTube's policy on shocking and disgusting content.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=csb2SqVAl78

Wow I did not expect them to take it down so fast. They left the blurred one and the one where the scene is cut out.
Im glad someone saved it as seen in the post right above.

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video already gone.

Point being that head shots create massive gouts of blood, as the body goes crazy and brings the blood pressure up to the highest levels is will ever deal with, unless being crushed.

There is even a well known and widely applied aspect of crime scene forensics to deal with that aspect, which is 'blood spatter patterns'.

Suffice it to say, a head shot at point blank range, with a AK-47 7.62x39 FMJ round, will be about 1600 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. This means a severe trauma of the brain tissue and a great amount of arterial destruction (in the brain). Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

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I’ve been out at the local rally. There have been a lot of people in the streets around the country tonight. Not to express outrage at the loss of innocent lives at the hands of a whole race of fanatical fundamentalists, but to state their solidarity with the values of brave political cartoonists who have been household names for decades, publishing in more mainstream papers than just Charlie Hebdo itself, and have been directly in the firing line since they published the Danish cartoons that led to the death of Van Gogh. As former student leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit has said, they embodied what was left of the anticonformist spirit of May 68, and every postwar generation can identify at least to some extent with those values.

Hence, whoever actually pulled the trigger, and whoever actually was behind them, since they were likely in any case poor French-born nobodies – in other words whether or not it was a false flag operation – is secondary IMO to the targeting of these particular victims, which, again IMO, was a huge mistake. False flag scenarios are different every time: remember the London Olympics when the much-feared event turned out to be no more than a Korean waving a “false”, i.e. wrong flag. The fear was generated in anticipation and nothing further was required. This time the victims were too close to everyday folks to inspire feelings of nationalism.

This time I think someone has shot themselves in the foot. Sure, the political goal behind this was to get the far right to fill the current political vacuum in 2017, after the recent media campaigns of the likes of Zemmour and Houellebecq (see Violet’s post #15) failed to deliver. But I expect that the hoped-for anti-Islamic backlash will also fail to materialize. Why? Because the message people will take from this is not “they are jealous of our freedom” (whatever that was supposed to mean); it is more like “we are jealous of our freedom to use our intelligence and our hearts”. Because, you see, “they” have just unleashed in the public consciousness a heightened awareness of the basic message of Cabu and Co: “l’amour est plus fort que la haine” (“love is stronger than hate”). We should be grateful for them for doing such a good job with propagating that message. Remember Tolkein: Gollum is needed to destroy the Ring.

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first thing that came to mind was mossad...

didn't france vote to recognize Palestine???

I've hunted most of my life and I don't quite understand that video of the shooting. In every instance, whether killing a woodchuck with a 22 or a deer with a 12 guage...the animal has always been tumbled by the impact of the shot. It looks like it was aimed at or between the shoulders and shouldn't that have shown a significant exit wound at the front of the body with more damage to the pavement? I'm not familiar with military weapons but I would have expected much more visible trauma.

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video already gone.

Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

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In post 26 is the video -slow motion- in which it seems that the gunman fails to shot at the head, but the police remain quiet, motionless, after that. Using "Occam´s razor", maybe the more logic explanation is this: after the failed shot the policeman pretended to be dead, in order to avoid more shots (as some insects does), but in the end this policeman died because of the other shots.

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video already gone.

Which means that the body, full of adrenaline, in total shock, will indeed pump the body's blood out of the wound entry and exit points at a high pressure and high rate. This high flow would begin to appear, in the given scene, in about 1-1.5 seconds. Expect a minimum of about 2 liters before the heart might stop,and up to 4 liters in the most extreme. So, half a gallon to as much as a gallon of blood.

I cannot see the video, but if it showed even a few seconds of after the shooting in the head, then the blood flow should be in 99 out of a 100 cases...it should be extreme. There should even be a spatter of blood from the shot itself, plus fleshy debris.

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In post 26 is the video -slow motion- in which it seems that the gunman fails to shot at the head, but the police remain quiet after that. Using "Occam´s razor", maybe the more logic explanation is this: after the failed shot the policeman pretended to be dead, to avoid more shots, but in the end this policeman died because of the other shots.

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I was unable to identify any injury mark this supposedly dead cop. There were several shots and then the camera moves and focuses on the police lying on the floor. But he was lucid and there is not a trace of blood.

The shooting appears to be a foot above the head of police. Also seemed to me that the ammunition is false. There was no mark on the floor which was hit by the supposed projectile. It seems Feast.

Daily Mail posted and subsequently withdrew this article shortly after the end of the incidents.

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12 DEAD IN PARIS MASSACRE: Islamic gunmen execute French police officer as he pleads for his life
Daily Mail | 7 January 2015 | Simon Tomlinson and Peter Allen and Jay Akbar and Chris Pleasance

Posted on 07/01/2015 12:32:18 by KeyLargo

12 DEAD IN PARIS MASSACRE: Islamic gunmen execute French police officer as he pleads for his life after terror attack on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo at centre of Mohammed cartoon storm

Masked gunmen storm Paris headquarters with AK-47s shouting 'Allahu akbar!' and 'the Prophet has been avenged' Stalked building asking for people's names before killing the editor and cartoonist during weekly editorial meeting Horrific footage shows a police officer begging for his life before being shot in the head at point-blank range Killers fled in stolen car across eastern Paris after a 'mass shoot-out' with police officers and remain on the loose Newspaper was previously firebombed in 2011 for publishing satirical cartoon of Prophet Mohammed

By Simon Tomlinson and Peter Allen and Jay Akbar and Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

Published: 06:16 EST, 7 January 2015 | Updated: 09:22 EST, 7 January 2015

Twelve people were killed today when gunmen carried out a 'massacre' at the offices of a notoriously anti-Islamist magazine in Paris - including a police officer who was executed as he begged for mercy on the pavement.

Two masked attackers brandishing Kalashnikovs burst into the Charlie Hebdo headquarters, opening fire on staff after seeking out journalists by name.

Those executed also included four of the most famous cartoonists in France – men who had regularly satirised Islam and the Prophet Mohammed – along with the magazine’s editor-in-chief, Stephane Charbonnier.

The killers were heard to shout 'the Prophet has been avenged' and 'Allahu akbar!' as stalked the building.

(Excerpt) Read more at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...do-attack.html

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It's the same car?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...n_3156769c.jpg

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From Réseau Voltaire (via Giggle translate):

The mission of this commando has no connection with jihadist ideology:

Indeed, members or sympathizers of the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda or Daesh would not be content to only kill atheists cartoonists, they would have first destroyed the archives of the newspaper under their eyes, on the model of what they did in all of their actions in North Africa and the Levant. For jihadists, the first duty is to destroy the objects that they believe offend God, and to punish the "enemies of God."

Similarly, they would not have immediately retreated, fleeing the police, without completing their mission. They would rather complete their mission, even if it meant to die on the spot.

In contrast, videos and some evidence shows that the attackers are professionals. They are practiced at wielding their weapons and fired efficiently. They were not dressed in the fashion of the jihadists, but as military commandos.

How they executed a wounded policeman on the ground who posed no danger to them, certify that their mission was not to "avenge Muhammad" for the greasy humor of Charlie Hebdo.

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from the writings of Enoch , and it will be the fanatics of Islam will rise up and all of Europe will shake and quiver , England will be thrown down to lowest level of Misery , the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time ... not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of Earth , as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world ... France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside but will be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces ... this can be envisioned as many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time , and specifically Islam , which will be this force from within ...

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Just to be clear, are you referring to the book of enoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch) which pre-dates Islam?

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I'm referring to the contact notes of Edward Meier where he wrote predictions in 1958 and again in 1987 ...

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first thing that came to mind was mossad...

didn't france vote to recognize Palestine???

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It was a symbolic resolution in favor of Palestine and France's support would require the Palestinians to recognise Israel.

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I’ve been out at the local rally. There have been a lot of people in the streets around the country tonight. Not to express outrage at the loss of innocent lives at the hands of a whole race of fanatical fundamentalists, but to state their solidarity with the values of brave political cartoonists who have been household names for decades, publishing in more mainstream papers than just Charlie Hebdo itself, and have been directly in the firing line since they published the Danish cartoons that led to the death of Van Gogh. As former student leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit has said, they embodied what was left of the anticonformist spirit of May 68, and every postwar generation can identify at least to some extent with those values.

Hence, whoever actually pulled the trigger, and whoever actually was behind them, since they were likely in any case poor French-born nobodies – in other words whether or not it was a false flag operation – is secondary IMO to the targeting of these particular victims, which, again IMO, was a huge mistake. False flag scenarios are different every time: remember the London Olympics when the much-feared event turned out to be no more than a Korean waving a “false”, i.e. wrong flag. The fear was generated in anticipation and nothing further was required. This time the victims were too close to everyday folks to inspire feelings of nationalism.

This time I think someone has shot themselves in the foot. Sure, the political goal behind this was to get the far right to fill the current political vacuum in 2017, after the recent media campaigns of the likes of Zemmour and Houellebecq (see Violet’s post #15) failed to deliver. But I expect that the hoped-for anti-Islamic backlash will also fail to materialize. Why? Because the message people will take from this is not “they are jealous of our freedom” (whatever that was supposed to mean); it is more like “we are jealous of our freedom to use our intelligence and our hearts”. Because, you see, “they” have just unleashed in the public consciousness a heightened awareness of the basic message of Cabu and Co: “l’amour est plus fort que la haine” (“love is stronger than hate”). We should be grateful for them for doing such a good job with propagating that message. Remember Tolkein: Gollum is needed to destroy the Ring.

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Great post.

South park have been in a similar situation:

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APRIL 15, 2010

Why South Park Loves Muhammad
Yesterday, South Park premiered its 200th episode which was a sort of tribute to every celebrity ever mocked and every controversy ever tackled by the show. The main plot was that Tom Cruise and the other celebrities filed a class-action lawsuit, which would only be dropped if the town got the Muslim prophet Muhammad to show up.

The celebrities, of course, want the prophet because every human being has a "goo" in them, and Muhammad's goo prevents anybody from ever disrespecting or mocking him. They want that power for themselves. And so begins an entire episode that flirts with how he can be shown and in what context. Is it okay to draw a stick figure version of him? To use his voice? To dress him up in a full-body mascot costume?

What's ironic is, of course, that before the violence caused by the Danish cartoons, Muhammad was shown in an earlier episode of South Park. In this episode, Jesus, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Joseph Smith, Seaman, and Muhammad all team up to fight the new religion of David Blaine (the famous magician/ illusionist).

Here he appears with the rest of the gang:



And by himself, showing off his power of fire.


In fact, there is no real Western prohibition on depicting the prophet. He's been shown in many circumstances, from paintings of Quranic events to biographical images and even on the US Supreme Court building. The ban on a depiction of the prophet is a strictly Muslim one - Muhammad imposed it to prevent his followers from deifying him as the Christians did to Jesus. He considered the deification of a human being to be a grievous sin against God. Yet, there is no risk of a non-Muslim elevating Muhammad to the status of prophet - and it's quite certain that the theology has firmed up by now so he's pretty well established as a prophet. Nothing more and nothing less.

Orthodox Jews take their commandment of "Don't use God's name in vain" very seriously. Many will type out "God" as "G-d" for exactly this purpose. Yet it would be unthinkable that a Jewish person would force a non-Jew to follow their custom. It stems from their theology and their holy texts, not from anybody else's. Likewise, the example of depicting the prophet is almost exactly analogous. The only reason that their customs get preference over the Jewish G-d custom is because of fear of violent reprisal. This is the part that South Park pointed out constantly last night. And it's one we should think about seriously.

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Y_JKidLlZy...0/muhammad.jpg

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http://raviskudesia.blogspot.co.uk/2...-muhammad.html

possible false flag? https://youtube.com/watch?v=sngK2zife8k

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Combine the above with post # 33...

Charlie Hebdo's cartoonists are dead.

CARTOONISTS RESPOND TO SHOOTING:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/15-carto...-shooting.html

This is brilliant and moving.

Quote:

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Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

CARTOONISTS RESPOND TO SHOOTING:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/15-carto...-shooting.html

This is brilliant and moving.

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Moving perhaps, but jumping to conclusions. A possible aim of this (horrible) game.

Many people were moved and made to jump to conclusions by other dramatic events in the past.

Beside some early suspicion based on very little factual evidence other than some shouts and a magically found ID card reminiscent of some passport miraculously found in some dust 15 years ago, what does the world (media, you, me) know about the criminals and their sponsors ?

Close to nothing.

But the idea this is in an Islamist extremism plot is tentatively being planted, into the uneducated public mind by the MSM, with all turbo engines on.

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P.S. While waiting for more solid data & reliable information, here is a 3 minutes lecture done 3 years ago by 9 years old Alex Jones' son providing a refreshing view of 101 state sponsored terrorism : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcwfJiMBeA#t=252 (from 4:12 to 7:40). Sit back, relax & enjoy.