We are being controlled... Are we?

it just came to my mind and id love to know what are the thoughts here about this matter.

around the alternative media alot people preach about how much the PTB controling our lives and trying to bring us to extinction..
our food is being geneticly modified
our water being poisioned
true cures are being denied from us
the technology is enslaving us and so on...

but how much of that is in our hand to change? how much of that is our decision to consume?

alot of people out there trying to fight and change it. but as ive already learned the change is coming from within us. its our own decision to consume whats sitting out there provided for us to push our laziness another mile ahead.
its our choice to eat that or drink that or use that.
we can grow our own food, we wont say some one is trying to force us to eat poision. we can drink from natural water sources.
we can grow our own medicine.

we can try and fight the system or we can just ignore it and show it that it has no control over us.

What I use to always say, you can either support this system or dropout. And not like a highschool dropout either but hey who likes highschool anyway.

I feel like i have a personal responsibility to disengage from the system. For me that started with fully realizing that our reality, especially in the context of government and politics is a manipulated illusion/ control system. Am i going to grow my own food, etc? No. Should I? Probably. Just in typing this, i think i see what point you are driving at, however. We are being influenced and manipulated, but ultimately controlled, id have to say no. Our free will has not been removed, but i will say that the effort required to circumvent the far reaching control system is greater than most of us, myself included, are willing to put forth. On some level knowing that our manufactured reality is BS is enough. I might be a pawn/ cog in some respects, but at least im not blind to those facts. Or maybe my prison is just comfortable enough, and im just lazy enough.....

How can we stop chemtrails? In north-central Florida, I remember seeing three or four planes depositing chemtrails. Now, I see one plane quietly doing the job so that they are not quite that visible to the casual observer of the sky. However, I am not a casual observer and I am aware, even on Christmas day of the Death being dropped on my house and garden so that I cannot even get some early morning sunlight on my skin. Can I shoot the bastards down? Perhaps the power of intention will do them in.

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I feel like i have a personal responsibility to disengage from the system. For me that started with fully realizing that our reality, especially in the context of government and politics is a manipulated illusion/ control system. Am i going to grow my own food, etc? No. Should I? Probably. Just in typing this, i think i see what point you are driving at, however. We are being influenced and manipulated, but ultimately controlled, id have to say no. Our free will has not been removed, but i will say that the effort required to circumvent the far reaching control system is greater than most of us, myself included, are willing to put forth. On some level knowing that our manufactured reality is BS is enough. I might be a pawn/ cog in some respects, but at least im not blind to those facts. Or maybe my prison is just comfortable enough, and im just lazy enough.....

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First of all thank you for that thought.
I'm feeling exactly as you are not blind, have the intention but too lazy to put it to practice. And I wonder when more people will wake up and so called "awakening" will become normality what then?

Here is another deep thought I have that is probably about the next stage.

Can we abandon matter? (Bear with me on this one)

By what Lloyd pye say in his lecture from 1999, we are not designed by the nature of this planet. We are simply not belong to this place by nature.
Many clain that when we will advance we will be more spiritual and technological.
What if we can skip the technology?
When you advance spiritually you become the creator. You need no tools. That means you are nature.
Can we live without matter? Can we skip that part when we will excuse the rape of earth for our own needs? Green technology is not nature its matter. Something that we create in order to make it easy to survive.
And my last point is this
There are some people that claim to be living by feeding on prana. They become as one with the planet with out using it for more then just breathing.
Is it possible?

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How can we stop chemtrails? In north-central Florida, I remember seeing three or four planes depositing chemtrails. Now, I see one plane quietly doing the job so that they are not quite that visible to the casual observer of the sky. However, I am not a casual observer and I am aware, even on Christmas day of the Death being dropped on my house and garden so that I cannot even get some early morning sunlight on my skin. Can I shoot the bastards down? Perhaps the power of intention will do them in.

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What I deeply believe that humanity cannot let go of is being belong to a group. We don't like to be alone. The more on one side the less on the other. The more people walking the right side of the street the more will join. Eventually there will be no one to chemtrail. Or make the chemicals. Or even build the machinery for that purpess.

Hi 6pounder
One thing you/we need to maintain is that smile, keep your vibration resonance climbing by knowing we are in times of change and awareness! That is one power of great worth that we do have in these days!
Keep your heart in the right timeline!

Hi 6pounder,
thanks for your questions.

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Can we abandon matter?

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Why should we?
Maybe we can abandon our old beliefs about it and start reinterpreting it. This shift towards a new paradigm and new ideas about matter is happening and we can see reflections of that development here on Avalon, too.
Our conceptions about technology will change at the same time and they are actually changing now.
This process is happening step by step (and it is speeding up, imo) and is leading to a more balanced way of progress in the long run.

The "system" you're talking about in the first post is, in my view, an expression of imbalance of the basic principles of polarity. But this overemphasis of the forces of contraction, concentration, centralization and resistance comes more and more to a halt, because it has gotten so far apart from its basic foundation that it is now energetically undersupplied and starts falling apart. It's like a water jet that has forgotten what it's basic characteristics are and sees itself as "The incredible, indispensable JET". :bigsmile:

Despite the change that's happening now, at this point in time it might be premature to speak about abandon matter or technology, because it is obviously a very appreciated playground for experiences.

By the way, have you ever looked at lifting your arm consciously and at the same time put this experience in relation to the question of control, matter and technology?

Hi 6pounder
As with all things, we humans have a tendency to push the limitations to the extreme (good or bad). Relying on our technology which is outstripping our abilities to keep up with it is just one example of this. It will hit a peak, something will happen, possibly on a global scale (It could be as simple as suddenly all cellphones go down or EFTPOS machines fail all over the world). It wouldn't really take much to tip things over.

Look at how quickly we change when faced with a fatal or life-changing disease for example (it might even be as simple as realising we've become too overweight to touch our toes! Do we keep putting on weight or start exercising and eating less - no one or right answer to that)

We've stretched the rubber band about as far as it can go, and already it's starting to snap back... very quickly. (Like a drug, there are those who become dependent or even addicted on a "thing", and it will be harder for them.)

And with it will be a global realisation that we need to change & find a balance in what we're doing.

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it just came to my mind and id love to know what are the thoughts here about this matter.

around the alternative media alot people preach about how much the PTB controling our lives and trying to bring us to extinction..
our food is being geneticly modified
our water being poisioned
true cures are being denied from us
the technology is enslaving us and so on...

but how much of that is in our hand to change? how much of that is our decision to consume?

alot of people out there trying to fight and change it. but as ive already learned the change is coming from within us. its our own decision to consume whats sitting out there provided for us to push our laziness another mile ahead.
its our choice to eat that or drink that or use that.
we can grow our own food, we wont say some one is trying to force us to eat poision. we can drink from natural water sources.
we can grow our own medicine.

we can try and fight the system or we can just ignore it and show it that it has no control over us.

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I get what you're saying, but economically speaking not everyone is fortunate enough to own a bit of land to grow food on, arguably, we can grow almost anything in pots, but not everyone has the space availability. The same applies for water filtration devices. The point is that our choices for a healthy life dwindle as our economic standing drops.
And since most humans are being kept slaves to a job from the moment they can legally work, the time and opportunity to search other options to what is easily available just isn't there.

Most importantly, to live in a world where half the population is ultimately detrimental to the other half, is a humongous drain of energy for those that wish to do no harm.

I agree that fighting the system is not the answer. There are alternatives to "fighting".

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Hi 6pounder,
thanks for your questions.

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Can we abandon matter?

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Why should we?
Maybe we can abandon our old beliefs about it and start reinterpreting it. This shift towards a new paradigm and new ideas about matter is happening and we can see reflections of that development here on Avalon, too.
Our conceptions about technology will change at the same time and they are actually changing now.
This process is happening step by step (and it is speeding up, imo) and is leading to a more balanced way of progress in the long run.

The "system" you're talking about in the first post is, in my view, an expression of imbalance of the basic principles of polarity. But this overemphasis of the forces of contraction, concentration, centralization and resistance comes more and more to a halt, because it has gotten so far apart from its basic foundation that it is now energetically undersupplied and starts falling apart. It's like a water jet that has forgotten what it's basic characteristics are and sees itself as "The incredible, indispensable JET". :bigsmile:

Despite the change that's happening now, at this point in time it might be premature to speak about abandon matter or technology, because it is obviously a very appreciated playground for experiences.

By the way, have you ever looked at lifting your arm consciously and at the same time put this experience in relation to the question of control, matter and technology?

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Yes I did. I've learned alot about it. And in some point I've forgot it when I wrote this post.

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What if we can skip the technology?

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An ambitious idea, in light of our already existing reliance on modern technology.

What would happen if all the computers were removed from the Earth for a day?

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why do u guys ask these crazy questions.
Ok so let's get down to business :

• Every single airplane will fall back to the earth. (maybe in your backyard too).
• No electricity as power plants are operated using computers.
• The whole world economy collapsing, sending us back into depression.
• Nuclear meltdown in some of the old reactors.
• Battleships and cruises getting stranded into the middle of the ocean.
• Cargo ships and oil refineries shutting down.
• Traffic accidents worldwide(thousands
• Thousands of patients dying because of no computers/electricity.
• All data centers shutting down around the world leading to loss of data worth trillions of dollars crippling Google, Facebook, Amazon.(bye bye cloud)
• Billions of dollars lost in transaction as my laptop, the server and sellers pc just vanished from the earth.
• Bye bye bitcoin
• Time around the world is controlled and calculated by computers (they maintain the atomic clocks), creating more chaos(worst of them all) .
• GPS not working anymore even if computers come back due to reason 10.
• Gamers raging around the world as there laptop just vanished when they were about to win a CS game or get a penta kill in league.
• No telecommunication around the globe.
• Reseting of every server when they fall back on the earth because they are not time synced.
• All online transactions not working even when every computer comes back again due to time sync.
• No internet for a few months even years in some regions.
• Global communication not working even when all computers come back because again time is not synced.
• No surveillance(no security cameras and security systems) causing increase in crime(robberies, murders and rapes)
• Bye Bye Mars rovers and all space projects(including ISS)
• All production lines stopping around the world (iron solidifying in the furnaces, syrup crystalizing in pipes in food factories, glass solidifying in glass factories.. U get the drift. ).
• Global shortage of food due to above reason.
• Smartphones not working anymore because Google, Samsung and apple are crippled.

Basically u would create one of the darkest days in human history making 9/11 and 2004 tsunami look like a joke. Millions of people would die due to accidents, no medical treatment and food shortage.

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Land its not anyone's in the way I see the future. For now you need to go off the grid and kinda hide from authority. When we will overcome the "my" concept of reality we will stop claiming possession over land or any matter.

how about those who are born into it and dont know or seen any better? i believe this is not an argument because the good/bad choices are not provided to us equally. in the current state of power the choices are being almost forced into our throats. although i fully agree that this sort of responsibility lays with people when they are presented with a better option but still choose to opt out from it.

I have always liked the basic physics explanation. You know... with every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. That can be applied on both the micro and macro and to movements against GMO's or increases in the average persons knowledge of diet and personal health.

However, with that said it takes a lot to begin that movement in the tail of yin/ yang for it to begin to move.

I believe you are right in saying we are not controlled however we are to some degree not just lazy but busy by design as well. Time as one of our most important commodities is segmented among more and more with less and less attention to detail in many cases including school curriculum's.

The main point I want to make here is this. The deck is stacked against most to make decisions in various areas out of convenience that do not promote our growth but inhibit it. Choosing fast food because it so inexpensive is one thing. Then another slightly better decision is to buy food at the grocery store but due economic strain we can't spend as much on the outside of the store on things such as fresh produce and dairy so we end up purchasing processed foods and meals from center aisles of the store. A barage of options and we are supposed to choose the healthiest one that attracts our attention the least. So that's why it looks like to me the deck is stacked to where it looks like control despite having the free will to choose otherwise. Yes, there are other factors this one sticks out to me at the moment though. :)

Most people are being controlled in one form or another. If we are aware of the control we may allow it or avoid it or work toward eliminating it.
We should try to free any and all who are controlled if they want to be free and never control others, if possible.

Maybe humans will never be content until we become more than human which is in our future I believe.

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I feel like i have a personal responsibility to disengage from the system. For me that started with fully realizing that our reality, especially in the context of government and politics is a manipulated illusion/ control system. Am i going to grow my own food, etc? No. Should I? Probably. Just in typing this, i think i see what point you are driving at, however. We are being influenced and manipulated, but ultimately controlled, id have to say no. Our free will has not been removed, but i will say that the effort required to circumvent the far reaching control system is greater than most of us, myself included, are willing to put forth. On some level knowing that our manufactured reality is BS is enough. I might be a pawn/ cog in some respects, but at least im not blind to those facts. Or maybe my prison is just comfortable enough, and im just lazy enough.....

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First of all thank you for that thought.
I'm feeling exactly as you are not blind, have the intention but too lazy to put it to practice. And I wonder when more people will wake up and so called "awakening" will become normality what then?

Here is another deep thought I have that is probably about the next stage.

Can we abandon matter? (Bear with me on this one)

By what Lloyd pye say in his lecture from 1999, we are not designed by the nature of this planet. We are simply not belong to this place by nature.
Many clain that when we will advance we will be more spiritual and technological.
What if we can skip the technology?
When you advance spiritually you become the creator. You need no tools. That means you are nature.
Can we live without matter? Can we skip that part when we will excuse the rape of earth for our own needs? Green technology is not nature its matter. Something that we create in order to make it easy to survive.
And my last point is this
There are some people that claim to be living by feeding on prana. They become as one with the planet with out using it for more then just breathing.
Is it possible?

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I think it is possible. In a faster vibrating reality it is. This brings it back to our DNA. Why do we have "junk" DNA? Are we running on 2/12 cylinders or 1/6 what we're capable of? What if we were all "switched on" to full capacity. Perhaps then our mental and spiritual abilities/awareness could be unfathomable. Tapping directly into presently unseen energies instead of having to eat to live.

To be honest I still cant fully connect the full DNA activation side of things with the higher vibratory rates of other (progenitor?) races out there. A full understanding of what DNA IS might be necessary.

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how about those who are born into it and dont know or seen any better? i believe this is not an argument because the good/bad choices are not provided to us equally.

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This is more true than many realize, and it goes deep. You CAN be born controlled. You can be what is known as a "targeted individual". The vast majority born in this world never know what this feels like, or are able to comprehend what it means (or just outright deny its existence because society tells them things just don't happen that way, because hospitals, doctors, psychologists, military etc. are all good for your well being...or so we're told).

Technology and psychology along with outright manipulation and abuse of power has existed in a major way in this world for years. There are multiple documents and personal accounts that show those in power using innocent people, newborns, orphans as human lab rats for electroshock torture, satanic ritual abuse, hypnosis, forced drugging, essentially human programming. They split the minds of people against their will and create multiple personality disorders on purpose (to make assassins, to make sex slaves...to create evil). They implant people with chips or devices during "trusted" procedures (and they invent an illness to classify them with when you claim that these devices exist, or can track them...or...yes...manipulate their thoughts and emotional states- that's control!!!). These people are created to be manipulated or used for the political, monetary, and personal gains of tptb. They are tracked and monitored, sometimes covertly. Lies can be spread about them by the ones who created the victim so people assume they are criminals, or ill, or molesters...which gains public trust to "monitor" the person. Now people are following and watching the "target" and if the target complains people are following them...they are deemed ill. There are now weapons and technological methods (that are patented) which can accomplish the same effects without the face to face element of the torture.

Such people exist who support and participate in these acts of brutality- rumoured to be members of certain "secret societies" or religious orders, occultists, or "elites" who live all over the world. These people exist in every socio-economic class...not just the wealthy, some more important than others, and in every profession so they can influence what they deem necessary...and they DO influence everything necessary in society.

Again, you'd never know these things existed unless you've witnessed or experienced them in some form. Evidence can be found below and elsewhere

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...indcontrol.htm

Y'all just don't understand how deep this thing called control, that you speak of really goes!!! COMPUTERS, really did it for them!!! With computers they can and do!!! TRACK...every single thing we do!!! How many of those nifty little Store Cards do you have on yer key chain? Those cute little Rewards cards can track Everything YOU like to purchase, enabling THEM... to learn EVERYTHING YOU like to buy and Target You with the proper junck-mail to Your Home. Yep. Can. And You arn't even aware that they can. YOUR Computer... is tied to THEIR computer... and THEY... can track Everything YOU do... with Your computer.


But... there is a way to overcome it all and slip quietly past them.
. Without them ever even knowing that you did it.

I did it! Do it! Every day. And I have been talking about it on my thread for more than 3yearz now. ccc

Sirdipswitch,

I avoid them in my own way....I don't fall for their manipulating crap.
But, it's not even noticeable to them, but who cares. Let them knock themselves out.............LOL

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MixRm_7WWrg

A quote of Jay Parker's, from the video above;

"...I know that it's just a part of manipulating this energetic construct that we live in...my mother said to me, when I was six years old, the most important thing to the Illuminati is the collective subconscious."

This is evident when observing their obsession with mind control, in all its forms.

We have been conditioned to see the human vehicle as flawed, I don't see this at all. I see a perfect expression of Source in an altered state.

We know that fear causes our DNA to contract, causing less of our DNA to be activated, effectively shutting it down. Conversely, love relaxes our DNA and opens it up, allowing for greater activation. Bruce Lipton's research, in The Biology of Belief, reveals that even right down at the cellular level, our biology has just two motivations; to move away from that which is perceived as harmful and to move towards that which is perceived to be good (to put it coarsely). Lipton's research also reveals that it is consciousness, moulded into a belief system, which programs our DNA. When we dis-identify with our physical mind, enough to give us the space to be able to observe it objectively, it quickly becomes clear that our mind has the same two motivations. I have derived, from research such as this, that human beings are perfectly positive beings in their natural state, we move away from bad and towards good, always. Matter is neutral but our natural state is not.

In light of the above mentioned, the motivation for the importance placed on the collective subconscious mind, by the Illuminati, becomes obvious; to steer humanity. I say steer and not control because we cannot be controlled. I have no doubt they know this, hence why they need to deceive us into buying into fearful belief systems.

We are consciousness and we are being human, both are natural and in alignment with Source, in their natural state. Nothing in their bag of tricks will hold up against us in our natural state. We need not reach for anything greater than ourselves, only let go of the lies, and we will effortlessly gravitate back to truth.

We are a force of nature, a revolution back to nature will dissolve all that foolishly attempts to stand in our way. The human potential is unfathomable to many of us. By redefining what is perceived as good and what is perceived as bad, by choosing beliefs wisely and abiding by them in action, by reprogramming our subconscious mind, by identifying what it truly means to be illuminated, we can see this for our selves. We're utterly magical, we really are.

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how about those who are born into it and dont know or seen any better? i believe this is not an argument because the good/bad choices are not provided to us equally. in the current state of power the choices are being almost forced into our throats. although i fully agree that this sort of responsibility lays with people when they are presented with a better option but still choose to opt out from it.

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We are all born into the control system, no one has escaped. It is just so subtle, that most don't recognize it, or avoid thinking about it. There are perks, and nudges from society, and most relinquish that type of thinking because of the need to fit in.

We are being controlled... Are we?

How much that is depending on how to recognize your one fleshy agenda ,because it is the body you are in that gets deceived all the time.
And you don't even know it, that is why you need to seek GODs face for this , look it this way your higher self is always at service to the creator.
But your body and your action and taking control of your live
leads to destruction most of you have no IDEA that your riding of a cliff very soon
If you do not ask does questions what IS your MISSION
that you Higher self has for you.
Everything you trying to fix it without asking
what you need to do will end of in failure .....

I KNOW my FLESHY agenda in nutshell it sucks.....big time .......

Your in a program and the body is the program your real action for it is hidden with in the spiritual realm and you can't see it ........

If some of you dealing with HARDSHIPS then you know that is the core of your
ISSUES your own agenda and ideas and doings what you want to do is the problem

Turn away from does things immediately ,because you are running out of time.........

I think the addage here, in a nutshell, is "the frog is being slowly boiled" - which is a form of control.

For some time already I'm trying make a contact with my higher self. When I'll make this contact that will be my first question for him.

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I think the addage here, in a nutshell, is "the frog is being slowly boiled" - which is a form of control.

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Look it this way if people did not had does HARDSHIPS then it would already
have been over for them I make BIG example JORDAN MAXWELL ........ If you have followed HIM

Well, it takes a bit of perseverance & practice, 6pounder :). It's difficult to suggest where to begin but there are some excellent posts here on Avalon regarding meditation and OOBE (Out Of Body Experiences) to obtain this.

For myself, I'm a bit "old school". My "teacher" was a man called Lobsang T. Rampa, a Tibetian Monk, who wrote a brilliant book (more of a "How To" manual actually!), called YOU FOREVER. It's a very easy-to-understand guide on how to achieve this and much more, and (for me) it worked!. Hope that helps. :)

I've got the real book, but I have no idea if it's available as a PDF Download. The diagrams in the original were very useful.

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I think the addage here, in a nutshell, is "the frog is being slowly boiled" - which is a form of control.

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Look it this way if people did not had does HARDSHIPS then it would already
have been over for them I make BIG example JORDAN MAXWELL ........ If you have followed HIM

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Agreed - what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger ;)

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Well, it takes a bit of perseverance & practice, 6pounder :). It's difficult to suggest where to begin but there are some excellent posts here on Avalon regarding meditation and OOBE (Out Of Body Experiences) to obtain this.

For myself, I'm a bit "old school". My "teacher" was a man called Lobsang T. Rampa, a Tibetian Monk, who wrote a brilliant book (more of a "How To" manual actually!), called YOU FOREVER. It's a very easy-to-understand guide on how to achieve this and much more, and (for me) it worked!. Hope that helps. :)

I've got the real book, but I have no idea if it's available as a PDF Download. The diagrams in the original were very useful.

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I think the addage here, in a nutshell, is "the frog is being slowly boiled" - which is a form of control.

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Look it this way if people did not had does HARDSHIPS then it would already
have been over for them I make BIG example JORDAN MAXWELL ........ If you have followed HIM

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Agreed - what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger ;)

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Proverbs 10:10
He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

Great Book , but anybody who wrote a book and have not gotten ETERNAL life
makes a great fireplace to burn does BOOKS ... Period it is utterly useless

No No Not this one!!!!!

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/14224...ssor.jpg?w=736

He is death !!!!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mummified-b...buddha-1486570

Hmmmm Mu2143, I missed your point, but that dude might have overdone the sun tanning a bit! :)

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Hmmmm Mu2143, I missed your point, but that dude might have overdone the sun tanning a bit! :)

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My Higher self let me crash BIG time TO warn many who are on path of destruction !!!!!......He is putting does things in to my mind
So If you keep following false dreams which are you OWN and not from your higher self IT Is not going to be funny ......

Psalm 99:5
Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.

Okieeee... that's gonna take me a while to digest :)

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Okieeee... that's gonna take me a while to digest :)

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I KNOW .........My higher self does not give all the info at ones otherwise I could not have dealt with it