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Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?
Heyall,
It's been some years since I've been active on this forum.
Project Avalon took me so far in space it took me some years to ground back again, get my life moving and gather enough courage to go into deep space yet again :)
I miss the intellect and spirituality of this online community so much as well as energizing my personal et connection that I can only come back here like a lost son.
On topic:
Now somehow my youtube account is spamming me with "maybe you find this interesting" about Flat Earth theories.
Lately I was at a party and someone started talking to me about it.
What is up with this whole thing? Is there an operation running globally to get people to believe the Earth is flat?
So the question is not whether it's flat because you know... hah. It ain't.
But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?
Thanks in advance and bless you
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Re: Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?
Flat Earth threads here on Avalon seem to get escorted to the back room to die.
Nothing to see here.
FE is exploding and for perhaps good reason. Over 5 million videos and growing daily.
Here is a short but perhaps significant video. Pay close attention to the words Leonardo uses.
Food for thought. Gods speed...
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IMO, FE is a purposefully introduced disinformation campaign to see how gullible/leadable/trickable humans are currently... it was a psychological test to see our current level of "trickability)
According to this video Bill and Carry are both masonic COINTELPRO agents!!! (but other than that, there's some interesting info)
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Thanks for your answer, mysterious encounter indeed.
And yes I've noticed information is hard to find here.
My question is where this phenomenon comes from and why it has gained such momentum without actually discussing its validity.
Hopefully there will be room to discuss that specific part of the subject.
Like Trump, you can hate him, you can love him. But his movement and impact on itself are enough food for debate and can also be discussed without engaging in an anti or pro contest.
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This topic came up on another thread and I had not heard much about it
as you can see from my response see link below.Although at first it sounds
ridiculous I watched and listened to a few vids and at least they are putting
forward a thought provoking if ancient case......
It would be the mother of all covers up if true , greater than if ET exists imo
I find it hard to believe the earth is flat , but that's what we are here for...LOL
Re: Did we go to the Moon or not? Give me your best reasons
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1051754
This is a thought provoking presentation......
The FLAT EARTH LIVE!! [Lancashire, England @ New Horizons]
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I see the Flat Earth movement as being complex and that is why it sustains existence.
One part is well explained in TargeT's post among others on this forum and I can see why FE's appearance on the forum is not ignored by the keepers of Avalon.
Another part would be rooted in the same place (roughly speaking) as other non-traditional ideas about the makeup of our universe such as the hollow earth or hollow moon theories.
And then there is the use of FE as part of an analogy when attempting to describe spirituality vs. physicality using dimensionality and geometry.
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I haven't followed any of the discussions/threads here on Avalon about the FE theory, but I must admit that I have been running into it more often than before on the "outside" as well.
Maybe we should try to figure out what's going on.... my first thought goes to the dumbing down of all humans and "someone" (the famous "they") trying to re-write our history/programming in that respect.
I truely can't imagine why we should even contemplate a flat earth... the evidence appears solid. But asking ourselves "why" and "why now" could be interesting.
That DiCaprio vid above formulates new questions: What is he implying by "you see the blackened sky...which rappresents so much what's going on in the environment (... ) today" . What does he say is in the back... erronimus barsh??...(heheh excuse my ignorance). Why does it rappresent a "promise of the future and enlightenment"?
From under the vid by the person who uploaded it:
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Speaking in English, Leonardo offered the pontiff a book of works by the 15th-century Dutch painter Hieronymus Bosch and showed him the reproduction of the artist's "Garden of Earthly Delights" that hung over his crib as an infant.
One should point their attention to this painting to understand the mention re: flat earth:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...hutters%29.jpg
From Wiki:
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When the triptych's wings are closed, the design of the outer panels becomes visible. Rendered in a green–gray grisaille,[11] these panels lack colour, probably because most Netherlandish triptychs were thus painted, but possibly indicating that the painting reflects a time before the creation of the sun and moon, which were formed, according to Christian theology, to "give light to the earth".[12] It was common for the outer panels of Netherlandish altarpieces to be in grisaille, such that their blandness highlighted the splendid colour inside.[13]
The outer panels are generally thought to depict the creation of the world,[14] showing greenery beginning to clothe the still-pristine Earth.[15] God, wearing a crown similar to a papal tiara (a common convention in Netherlandish painting),[12] is visible as a tiny figure at the upper left. Bosch shows God as the father sitting with a Bible on his lap, creating the Earth in a passive manner by divine fiat.[16] Above him is inscribed a quote from Psalm 33 reading "Ipse dixit, et facta sunt: ipse mandāvit, et creāta sunt"—For he spake and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.[17] The Earth is encapsulated in a transparent sphere recalling the traditional depiction of the created world as a crystal sphere held by God or Christ.[18] It hangs suspended in the cosmos, which is shown as an impermeable darkness, whose only other inhabitant is God himself.[12]
Despite the presence of vegetation, the earth does not yet contain human or animal life, indicating that the scene represents the events of the biblical Third Day.[10] Bosch renders the plant life in an unusual fashion, using uniformly gray tints which make it difficult to determine whether the subjects are purely vegetable or perhaps include some mineral formations.[10] Surrounding the interior of the globe is the sea, partially illuminated by beams of light shining through clouds. The exterior wings have a clear position within the sequential narrative of the work as a whole. They show an unpopulated earth composed solely of rock and plants, contrasting sharply with the inner central panel which contains a paradise teeming with lustful humanity.
No humanity yet in that sphere! Welcome to DiCaprio's future!?!
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Elandiel BernElve
Thanks for your answer, mysterious encounter indeed.
And yes I've noticed information is hard to find here.
My question is where this phenomenon comes from and why it has gained such momentum without actually discussing its validity.
Hopefully there will be room to discuss that specific part of the subject.
Like Trump, you can hate him, you can love him. But his movement and impact on itself are enough food for debate and can also be discussed without engaging in an anti or pro contest.
Having spent some serious time researching this topic.:waving:
Below are some recent videos that may help answer this question.
I hope people here can be respectfull and open minded enough to have a intelligent
discussion on this.
Some of our past history.
Here is some info. on the recent movement.
Always read between the lines.
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aviators
Here is some info. on the recent movement.
Always read between the lines.
I too spent time on this topic...
here's one thing that the Flat earth falls.... Flat on..
I'm a long range shooter (not much choice... military) and this is a very very real thing.
And with that one thing (and the fact that water drains in different directions depending on which side of the equator you are on) pretty much shuts down the whole thing instantly.
there are some compelling arguments, but they are VERY careful to ignore things like the Coriolis effect...
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Thanks Aviators, interesting videos, I don't completely agree and I don't have to but it has some revealing new info.
After having watched some vids it seems to me as a mixture of a conservative religious revival with the current times inspiring a near apocalypse; and indeed some sort of big cointel campaign push with often bulliying and bad attitude towards 'round earthers' that just sprung out of nowhere. That on itself is suspicious.
The fact its being shoved up into the mainstream and harsly pushed into youtube recommendations is a red flag to me there.
Polling whether humanity is so weak minded somewhat resonates. If they can persuade the truthers than they definately can persuade the masses.
It definately feels like a distraction to me. This whole FE stuff coming up just right before the whole planet x reveal starts buzzing again.
I mean, this is just my mind wandering off here. But FE somewhat dismisses the existence of the universe and thus also dismissing a cosmic event like a planet with an orbit of 20.000 years coming in and igniting a new cycle.
IF, just IF there is a big coverup going on what planet x (or should I say Red Dwarf + moon + Nibiru) concerns then, to make a considerable piece of humanity believe the earth is flat hence dismissing such a cosmic event is a very smart, chesslike thing to do.
And let's not forget the impact on global consciousness, throwing it back with old ideas.
In the end when there is so much confusion and our human community lacks a cohesive consciousness and awareness of our direct environment we have come to the point of being divided.
I hope this phenomenon will not break up the Truth community on Earth. We see how easy our differences can blind us for the things we agree on. Apart from the FE most truthers embrace the same values and things overall.
Anyhow, these are just assumptions in a ramble.
I have been thinking though, from another perspective.
In my dreams, I always see planets, and space, other worlds, spheres, even the earth in deep meditation when I fly away, she's a globe.
She can only be, and it's through this personal connection with Gaia and the Source, when the sand crawls between my feet as I gaze upon the horizon..
That I realize we just have to feel if it resonates.
I'll leave that up to you
Bless
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I would highly recommend reading Anelia Benzes short book Interview with a psycic assassin.Near the end there is an explanation of hollow earth that is an exellent reminder of our 3d perspective basially not grasping the creator being one with the created among other very interesting mind expanding subjects.
Interestingly even though there are very ancient flat maps one would think with the thousands of years of earths habitation of many probable highly intelligent beings i have never seen an ancient globe .
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Hey Eagle,
Take a look here, they definately exist.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...cas-Discovered
I forgot to mention that actually, on the contrary there are many ancient archeological sites depicting our solar system, star systems, our planet's orbit etc.
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Re: Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?
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1) It's a meme injected into the alternative media to discredit it.
2) We welcome intelligent discussion — but UNintelligent discussion usually results in these kinds of threads being closed. We'd not be doing our job if we allowed the quality of Avalon's conversation to fall below a certain standard (which is why we filter membership applications in the first place). This is not Rumor Mill News, or Godlike Productions. :)
3) Don't just copy and paste YouTube videos made by people who have little or no understanding of astronomy, math or physics. That's lazy. Think for yourself, speak for yourself, and do by all means share your answer to the question posted — it's a very good one.
Do please note, though, that I'm certain that my own brief answer in (1) above headlines the situation, though there may be other aspects to the phenomenon. Another contributing factor might be increasing internet exposure to astronomical concepts, without the basic background in math, physics or astronomy for quite a lot of people to understand or critique what they're reading, watching or listening to. That was not nearly so much the case in previous generations. The Greeks knew the Earth was round over 2,000 years ago. We should be advancing our knowledge, not going backwards!
4) If any new members are unaware of the previous Avalon discussions, there have been quite a few threads on the subject already. They can be searched for easily. The most recent (and one of the longest) is here. It's closed now, but it's fully public and anyone wanting to read through the many interesting posts there of course is most welcome to do so.
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They are trying very very very hard to make conspiracy theorists look like nutjobs.
Flat earth is a great way to do so. Flat earth is a conspiracy (a stupid one too) therefore keep pushing that as a big thing that conspiracy theorists believe in to discredit them.
I have also noticed a LOT of trash talking in video games (audio files in the game that are played by NPC's you hear around you) that go out of their way to make conspiracy theorists sound like insane quack jobs.
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Thanks Bill,
I completely agree. i did a search but the results were way too saturated so i will have a look at your provided link.
You confirm my intuition ánd common sense. Thus making my question more valid.
Why is this such a hype being pushed in global conscioussness?
Like I wrote before:
In the end when there is so much confusion and our human community lacks a cohesive consciousness and awareness of our direct environment we have come to the point of being divided.
I hope this phenomenon will not break up the Truth community on Earth. We see how easy our differences can blind us for the things we agree on. Apart from the FE most truthers embrace the same values and things overall.
So it's a divide and conquer tactic, for me this case is closed.
Feel free to continue the discussion though
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TigaHawk
I have also noticed a LOT of trash talking in video games (audio files in the game that are played by NPC's you hear around you) that go out of their way to make conspiracy theorists sound like insane quack jobs.
True, yet I can point as many video games with hidden gems of secret info that's there to credit it. One of the reasons why many hardcore pc gamers and hackers from the underground gaming community know a lot is their strong connection with internet. Some of them end up being indie or mainstream developers and won't hesitate to share the truth hidden in games.
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Elandiel BernElve
it's a divide and conquer tactic, for me this case is closed.
Yes! :clapping:
There's another contributing factor, which I think is interesting and worth discussing. There's a real distrust these days, among more and more people, of any statement made by any perceived authority figure.
This then leads self-styled intellectual rebels to swing wildly to an opposite extreme that's sometimes almost literally crazy. Because NASA's statements about the Apollo moon landings can be very seriously doubted, the rebels then hold that all NASA footage of everything is faked, and therefore all orbital shots showing a curved horizon are also false.
There are many examples of this kind of pendulum swing. It may be interesting for readers here to list some of them.
In the works of Spock, that's illogical. :) The response is actually an emotional one, based entirely on rebellion and reaction.
Like "Well, if you're saying this, then the opposite must be true." Things just don't work that way.
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If one is to free themselves from conventional thinking then here is something to consider....
2D (flat) creatures view their world much in the same way as 3D creatures see their world.
2Ds experiences 2D and that is the extent of their world, they cannot fully conceive of 3D, for them it doesn't exist (fully materialized).
It is much the same for 3Ds. There is a 'dimensionality' that 3Ds cannot fully conceive of but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
This commonality between 2Ds and 3Ds allows them to intersect and thus they both exist simultaneously....same 'place', same 'time'.
2Ds and 3Ds are both right and wrong per their perspective worlds. All worlds occupy the same space simultaneously.
Think of a dimensional singularity in which all dimensions appear to arise from.
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Bill Ryan
This then leads self-styled intellectual rebels to swing wildly to an opposite extreme that's sometimes almost literally crazy. Because NASA's statements about the Apollo moon landings can be very seriously doubted, the rebels then hold that all NASA footage of everything is faked, and therefore all orbital shots showing a curved horizon are also false.
That is a more and more recurring effect visible in society nowadays and it worries me.
It's uncivlized and unnuanced to think in strong emotional dualities like that. I face it everyday in Europe. For example if you're not supporting the migrants you're immediately against them, and xenophobic, and racist. It's the same mechanic in which nuance or considering a broad spectrum of possibilties is not plausible. If NASA faked the moon landing indeed it doesn't mean they haven't been there. If politicians lie to us it doesn't mean they always lie to us, etc.
It's the main reason I came back to this forum. There're so many intelligent angles offered through reactions here it brings back the nuance, criticism and desire to peel through the layers that I miss so much in the daily routine and on public internet.
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TargeT
IMO, FE is a purposefully introduced disinformation campaign to see how gullible/leadable/trickable humans are currently... it was a psychological test to see our current level of "trickability)
I agree 100%.
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Elandial...thanx for that picture..funny i have never ran across it
Being a pilot have never believed that at least in this reality that the earth could be anything other than round.
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I blame Terry pratchett and that Damn turtle
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without getting in too deep the very idea of a flat earth just confuses me, a flat earth would have edges so what happens there? and how does the water move around? mountains? if plates are forced together why don't they go in the path of least resistance and move out beyond the edges? Satellites? How would they work? Anyway I am getting carried away, just some prelim thoughts on the absurd matter.
Edit from Bill (forgive me!) — you forgot to mention time zones. You're in Australia... well, I'm writing these words 6 minutes after you posted. Here, In Ecuador, it's 9.35 pm, and it's dark outside. In fact, I'm about to go to bed. I'll get up at sunrise, 8 hours from now.
:)
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Elandiel BernElve
Thanks for your answer, mysterious encounter indeed.
And yes I've noticed information is hard to find here.
My question is where this phenomenon comes from and why it has gained such momentum without actually discussing its validity.
Hopefully there will be room to discuss that specific part of the subject.
Like Trump, you can hate him, you can love him. But his movement and impact on itself are enough food for debate and can also be discussed without engaging in an anti or pro contest.
Matt Boylan worked for NASA allegedly as an freelance painter. Some say he had a big part in this movements traction.
He was informed at a NASA party that satellites don't work in Antarctica because i'ts flat.
Quote " I worked for NASA and here's the truth, here's my story and the greatest deception the world will ever face: the earth,
it's size, it's shape, all images they show you are not the truth... get ready , it's going to be hard to swallow. This is my story as an artist faking your universe. "
Part 2. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-QAUeRZumU
Part 3. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N_DcVETa_98
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i have not read this, but how bout this...
how does it change your every day life...? earth is flat now what... "oh they lied to us"... ok now what... oh it opened peoples minds to the fact that they lied to us....great...now what...
and on and on.... it doesn't freaking matter... at this point in the game....
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TargeT
at about 1min he says:
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so as the bullet leaves the barrel of the gun, the earth is still rotating
and the bullet is NOT rotating with the earth
say what ?!
i'm no in to FE or anything, almost accidentally clicked on the clip
but please correct me if i'm wrong but this is basic physics
of course it DOES rotating with the earth
or else we would just jump in say florida and land on chicago.
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Considering what the government has deliberately done to the education system and English language by distorting and dumbing down, it makes perfect sense that they would try to tell you the earth is flat to hide the space program and keep people as mind controlled slaves with their heads in the sand.
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aviators
Please don't just copy and paste YouTube videos without your own intelligent critique! Do take the time and trouble to think for yourself.
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dim
say what ?!
You can look up the Coriolis Effect on the internet. There are many detailed articles and videos. The effect on the accuracy of long-distance snipers is very tiny, but it's there. Even though the Earth is an inertial frame of reference, in the very short time between firing a bullet and it hitting its long-distance target (say, a mile away), the Earth has moved just a little underneath it — and the target with it, too. It's extremely small, but it's a measurable effect.
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The FLAT EARTH LIVE!! [Lancashire, England @ New Horizons]
Hi Cidersomerset,
I actually took the time to watch the entire presentation.
Fascinating character. :P
What made me sit up straight at minute 26:45, was when he stated that the flat earth map that is commonly used cannot be true, because then an airplane that flies from New Zealand to Argentina would surely take a route over the North pole instead of flying over the Pacific ocean that it does in reality.
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Since this was the first thing that came to mind to disprove "flat earth" when I first heard about it over a year ago, I though to myself: " Wauw, this is gonna be good. He came to the conclusion that this map cannot be true and is still convinced that the earth is flat. I can't wait to see how he is going to make it work" :)
Imagine my disappointment when he finally, after 100 minutes into the presentation showed the map that he thinks is the real one.
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Oh nooo, he has a square map!!
Now all the people who sailed and rowed around the world have to be fantasists and or lairs.
To his credit: He still has some problems with the square map too, but he's sure that he will figure it out in the end.
I don't share his optimism :P
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Just a note about maps.
If the earth were flat there would never have been any reason to come up with many types of world maps, all trying to find the least-worst ways of projecting a sphere (or part thereof) onto a flat surface.
The Great Circle Map (showing the actual bearings and distances between two points on a sphere) is used by pilots and long-distant (non-satellite) radio communication so you know where to point the antennas.
Thus a flat earth would have been confirmed in the very early days of radio communication. It wasn't. Case closed!
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thunder24
i have not read this, but how bout this...
how does it change your every day life...? earth is flat now what... "oh they lied to us"... ok now what... oh it opened peoples minds to the fact that they lied to us....great...now what...
and on and on.... it doesn't freaking matter... at this point in the game....
It does matter, it wastes peoples time... one of the few things we have in limited quantity... & it burns people out, another dead end rabbit hole: why look further if they are all like this?
A. Huxley wrote a book along this lines "A brave new world" in the book part of the way society is controlled is through over saturation.
Over saturation, or "numbing" or desensitizing people is actually quite easy; once a new threshold is reached and held for a certain amount of time it becomes the new normal...
your response is exactly why we are being over saturated, to get more of "that".
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dim
say what ?!
i'm no in to FE or anything, almost accidentally clicked on the clip
but please correct me if i'm wrong but this is basic physics
of course it DOES rotating with the earth
or else we would just jump in say florida and land on chicago.
once an object leaves contact with the ground the earth "moves" under it because the two bodies are no longer connected, the earth continues to rotate and the object that left it is no longer rotating with it. A person COULD jump in florida and land in chicago if they stayed up long enough (obviously not possible).. this is a VERY small effect, but it's present. you could test this by driving in a car and tossing a ball up into the air (yes wind resistance plays a role, but in a vacuum once the ball leaves the vehicle while it's moving the car will move out from under the ball, of course on a planet as big as the earth and us as small as we are it's hard to directly observe with out setting up some experiments).
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Just a note about maps
Maps, quite so. My favorite map clip is this one, in case any readers haven't yet seen it: 'Cartographers for Social Equality' — really quite wonderful. It's inspired and hilarious, but does make a serious point about how arbitrary (or weighted) map projections really are.
:bigsmile:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OH1bZ0F3zVU
Nick, I know you've thought about this quite a lot. What's your personal best answer to the question in the thread? One of the factors I'm always aware of is how these kinds of discussions, even if they're measured, informed and intelligent, can easily make everyone on Avalon seem like an idiot, simply by inference and association. I'm certain this is the purpose.
It's hard to get one's mainstream-influenced friends, neighbors or family pay attention to issues about 9/11, GMOs, chemtrails, or government surveillance — let along the Secret Space Program! — when the alternative media is tainted (and I use that word advisedly) by injected material like this. One can imagine the CIA spooks laughing their socks off at how easily influenced we all are.
(An interesting note: I was e-mailed a few years ago by someone who told me they'd been approached by the CIA to 'write fiction' for them. He declined the offer... but it made him think pretty deeply. Me too. I wonder what 'fiction' really IS being strongly peddled in our direction by CIA-hired creative writers, all packaged as 'new truths'.)
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I can't say that I have a solid answer as to why this idea of flat earth is becoming popular so fast all of a sudden, but I have some impressions and ideas about the subject:
There are certain ideas running around in the "truth seekers" information stream that (at least to me) have some unexplainable pull or tug to get drawn in.
In a weird way, by which there is some sort of force to place subjective emotional thinking above: logic, facts and common sense.
To me, it seems as if these idea's get a certain magnetic charge by unknown means to pull people in.
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Elandiel BernElve
......Now somehow my youtube account is spamming me with "maybe you find this interesting" about Flat Earth theories.
Lately I was at a party and someone started talking to me about it.
What is up with this whole thing? Is there an operation running globally to get people to believe the Earth is flat?
So the question is not whether it's flat because you know... hah. It ain't.
But the question is WHY ? What is the purpose of this disinfo?
All our internet chatter is captured. A lot of people tend to think there is far too much data for them to do much with it. I don't see it like that. The google search engine can make quite good sense of ALL the data available on the "light" web ( as distinct from the "dark" web ). If google search can do it, so can they.
Time is moving on, They have been experimenting and developing A.I. intelligence to sit atop the data and work with it. There was one called Promethius, a while ago. Presumably, they experimented with one called Jade, because they are now using one called Jade2.
Jade2 is very probably capable of learning from our chatter. Further more, human operators/computer scientists will likely be thinking up ideas to maximize the ability of Jade2 to learn stuff from our chatter.
They have quite a unique scenario going. They can borrow methods from other fields of technical research. One such field is 'acoustic sampling'. This is where definite and short bursts or pings of sound are projected into an acoustic space, and the returning echoes and reverberations are recorded. These recordings are analyzed and modelled into algorythms that can be used to process ANY sound to make it sound like it is being heard in that exact acoustic space.
I believe they are experimenting with something similar on the internet and coming up with algorythms that Jade2 can use. In this case, one of the "pings" they are using is a rediculous meme called flat earth theory. There are very probably others.
So, as I see it, it goes a little further than just trying to make us look stupid.
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thunder24
i have not read this, but how bout this...
how does it change your every day life...? earth is flat now what... "oh they lied to us"... ok now what... oh it opened peoples minds to the fact that they lied to us....great...now what...
and on and on.... it doesn't freaking matter... at this point in the game....
It does matter, it wastes peoples time... one of the few things we have in limited quantity... & it burns people out, another dead end rabbit hole: why look further if they are all like this?
A. Huxley wrote a book along this lines "
A brave new world" in the book part of the way society is controlled is through over saturation.
Over saturation, or "numbing" or desensitizing people is actually quite easy; once a new threshold is reached and held for a certain amount of time it becomes the new normal...
your response is exactly why we are being over saturated, to get more of "that".
I think it is 100% a waste of time.... sorry I wasnt clear with what I was saying... When I say it doesn't matter I meant quite wasting time... i see how that could of been confuseing
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Bill Ryan
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Nick Matkin
Just a note about maps
Nick, I know you've thought about this quite a lot. What's your personal best answer to the question in the thread? One of the factors I'm always aware of is how these kinds of discussions, even if they're measured, informed and intelligent, can easily make everyone on Avalon seem like an idiot, simply by inference and association. I'm certain this is the purpose.
My best answer?
That's a tough one, however, as I've written before I think it boils down to:
The mostly harmless but irritating mischiefs who just throw these silly ideas into receptive pools of the willingly gullible and sit back to watch the ripples. They get nefarious pleasure watching the threads morph into areas such as the philosophical debates discussing the meaning of reality. Worthy or ulimately just time wasting?
Then there are those who just don't have a 'mind model' of what many of us take for granted, and they question stuff. That's fine, but in this specific subject it has never occurred to them about maps. They have never heard of or seen a Great Circle map or why it had to be invented. They don't understand orbits or satellites, neither do they appreciate the tens of thousands of engineers, designers and users (both amateur and professional) of satellites that prove the earth is not flat at so many levels.
There may be some orchestrated effort to discredit the alternative media. But forgive me if I think we're flattering ourselves if we think any agency considers us important enough to do that. But you Bill, are much better placed to know.
Neither would I be surprised if this and similar forums are used as test beds for the spread of memes. Probably by nothing more sinister that psychology or sociology students, but you never know...
And maybe once or twice this forum has been specifically targeted with silly threads that have to be closed because they *do* bring the forum into disrepute. But of course this leaves the mods open to accusations of 'censorship' and 'controlling content'!
Back to maps. It's really disappointing when people need to be shown the true relative sizes of countries, because all they've ever seen and never questioned is a Mercator map. After the West Wing video you posted, here is one of may sites emphasizing the point...
http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/t...eally-are-1380
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Re: Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?
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I actually took the time to watch the entire presentation.
Fascinating character.
That's what I thought ,like Andrew Basiago and many others if they are
sincere whether right or wrong I like to at least respect their views.
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Maps, quite so. My favorite map clip is this one, in case any readers
haven't yet seen it: 'Cartographers for Social Equality' — really quite wonderful. It's
inspired and hilarious, but does make a serious point about how arbitrary (or
weighted) map projections really are.
I was just about to post that vid as the part about the map was interesting
even though I had heard it before....I presume it is genuine ??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall%E...ers_projection
http://thegandr.files.wordpress.com/...s-mercator.png
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Re: Flat Earth Idea - Why so popular?
"Flat Earth" and "We didn't land on the Moon" and other popular anti-establishment stands are popular because they're contrary.
Once an individual is awakened to the fact that he is a victim of propaganda and disinformation, he rebels against "authority" and its pronouncements - even the ones that are factual.
This reactionary skepticism fits in with the goal of the world's greatest propaganda ministry - dissolve the unity of the prey so they cannot oppose the predators.
If the harmless productive people stay united in their defense against their enemies, foreign or domestic, predators are doomed. But if they can be misled and confused and tricked into endless arguments over non-issues, hoaxes, and ideological nonsense, the predators can escape notice.
Unfortunately, tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
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Bill Ryan
Nick, I know you've thought about this quite a lot. What's your personal best answer to the question in the thread?
I'm guessing the question pertains to the OP and the title why is FE so popular
I sort of answered my take below:
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Eram
I can't say that I have a solid answer as to why this idea of flat earth is becoming popular so fast all of a sudden, but I have some impressions and ideas about the subject:
There are certain ideas running around in the "truth seekers" information stream that (at least to me) have some unexplainable pull or tug to get drawn in.
In a weird way, by which there is some sort of force to place subjective emotional thinking above: logic, facts and common sense.
To me, it seems as if these idea's get a certain magnetic charge by unknown means to pull people in.
Ever wonder why magicians used "spells" on people?
now you know why it's called "spell", what you are noticing is the "spelling" of masters, magicians that understand the psyche so well that they can manipulate you even though they've never met you ( but then, they don't have to meet you do they? you, like me, like almost everyone you know are all societal carbon copies of each other, sure you might drink coke and I drink pepsi, but those differences are so small that it's negligible.)
another great example is "click bait" -- they know us SO WELL that there is a FORMULA to get people to click on links... think about that, a formula to get people to do what you want... MAGIC!
When psychological profiling becomes ridiculously easy via the internet (mostly facebook and sites like that (Flicker, Twitter, etc)
So yeah, hope that helps you understand.
Oh, and no one knows how to critically think anymore (there's a formula for that too & they stopped teaching it to the common public in the Roman times), so logic and facts are trumped by emotion and logical fallacy.
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thunder24
I think it is 100% a waste of time.... sorry I wasnt clear with what I was saying... When I say it doesn't matter I meant quite wasting time... i see how that could of been confuseing
yes, and maybe a couple of other agendas as well (discrediting "truthers" being one)
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TargeT
once an object leaves contact with the ground the earth "moves" under it because the two bodies are no longer connected, the earth continues to rotate and the object that left it is no longer rotating with it. A person COULD jump in florida and land in chicago if they stayed up long enough (obviously not possible).. this is a VERY small effect, but it's present. you could test this by driving in a car and tossing a ball up into the air (yes wind resistance plays a role, but in a vacuum once the ball leaves the vehicle while it's moving the car will move out from under the ball, of course on a planet as big as the earth and us as small as we are it's hard to directly observe with out setting up some experiments).
maybe i'm indeed missing something here, is just sounds very strange
like say a fly hovering in a room will eventually hit the wall
or an astronaut walking out of the orbiting craft will at some point drift away,
i may have to look it up more thoroughly.
(sorry for the off topic)
