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Bill Ryan - Talks to Dark Journalist
PART 1
SECRET SPACE PROGRAM SPOOKS: WHISTLEBLOWER #FAIL! DARK JOURNALIST & BILL RYAN
Published on 7 May 2017
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Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan Speaks Out on Corey Goode
Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan to the show. Ryan first hit the spotlight a decade ago with his efforts at seeking out Secret Space Program whistleblowers and having them deliver riveting information live on video along with his research partner Kerry Cassidy on the early alternative series called Project Camelot. Eventually Ryan split with Cassidy and developed his own forum of research called Project Avalon which tackles deep subject matter with an informed community.
The Truth is Never Easy
In this special episode, Ryan will go on the record about the details of his viral article called ‘The Truth About Corey Goode’ that is gaining rapid attention and attempts to explain and in some sense unmask the bizarre story of Corey Goode. Ryan had his own interactions with Goode before he went public and believes that his story is unreliable.
Secret Space Circus 2017: The New Normal
Many fact based revelations came out in the last decade about the development of a Secret Space Program including UK Hacker Gary McKinnon discovering an “Off-world Officers List” while reading classified files at NASA, for which the US Government attempted to extradite and charge him with espionage. Other analysts came forward with remarkable disclosures about missing Government funds and the outline of a completely hidden agenda.
In tandem with this fascinating investigative reporting effort, a sideshow also developed with all kinds of discrediting themes, like fantasy beings and galactic ambassadors and space saviors to boot. A lot of this activity has centered around Corey Goode from Texas who claims to be a veteran insider of secret unacknowledged programs involving the military and space, but has offered zero evidence for this incredible assertion. In fact, Goode has no military record except a brief stint in the Texas State Guard, not exactly known as a hotbed of deep intelligence activity.
Ryan has attempted to have Goode take a Lie-Detector test to prove some of his wild assertions or to have him regressed to find out if his memories are real, implanted or fabricated. Goode has rejected the suggestion saying that hypnotic regression is ‘invasive.’ Without these evidentiary methods being employed to verify his memories and with no evidence being presented to support his story, Goode’s account of being in a secret program appears to be falling apart.
Missing Trillions: The Original Secret Space Research Mandate
The original Secret Space Program Conferences organized by Global BEM, including one held in Austin Texas in 2015 and hosted by Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt, featured Former Assistant HUD Secretary Catherine Austin Fitts and Giza Death Star’s Joseph Farrell, and brought forward verifiable evidence along with informed speculation from many experts and scientists and former Government officials. The event raised the spectre of a covert effort that was draining trillions of dollars from the US budget and siphoning them into a Complex Space Endeavor for private interests.
The Secret Space Program investigation took a turn for the bizarre after Gaia TV aired the Goode story even though he was completely unvetted by any journalistic standard and had absolutely no evidence to back up his assertions. It was pumped into the alt-research community by a series of TV episodes they developed for their select audience featuring Interviews with Goode by host David WIlcock.
Goode’s Story
Goode claims to be an insider of various secret programs and a spokesman relaying spiritual messages from a group of alien beings. He has even developed a Comic Book Series of his ET communications with what he calls ‘a Sphere Being Alliance.’ Goode’s story not only sounded like a Sci-Fi fantasy adventure, it also created a new version of a cult- like alien called a 'Blue Avian' with blue skin and feathers.
Goode’s story largely incorporated elements of many Alternative Media themes like fighting the Illuminati, Cabal tribunals, Mandela effect, Breakaway Civilization and Babylonian Magic. Respected authors like Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan were shocked to see their research shabbily recycled in a sensationalist and histrionic fashion.
With all of this in mind, the question becomes: are those driving this bizarre, unverified, unvetted story about Goode being some kind of an insider in a covert program part of an effort to deflect attention away from the genuine research process underway to find where the missing trillions went that were pumped into the Secret Space Program? Ryan wonders whether all of this hyperbole being presented with no corroborating evidence is a concerted activity meant to replace legitimate inquiry with Sci-Fi adventure tales mixed with faux New Age psychobabble.
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The interview was great Bill. The only part I disagreed with was when you were describing the alt community as gullible. How dare you? Other than that I really enjoyed it, and im very hopeful that part 2 will include more information on this invisible pink elephant in my room you spoke of early on in the interview. Sounds intriguing.
Moving on:
People really do need to hear this info in a very slow, deliberate manner...point by point, and in very simple language. I know I do. It's such a tangled web that it must be unwoven slowly and carefully, with calm cool logic and common sense. I felt this was done very effectively. And the dark journalist (god ive already forgotten his name) does a good job of staying out of the way and letting you break it all down.
Very much looking forward to part 2. Any idea when it will be out?
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
From the big picture to the rather smaller... I'll move some posts here specifically about Corey to that particular thread, where the interview has also been posted. I do think this thread should stand, but maybe is the place to discuss any wider issues, and perhaps also the subsequent part(s) when they're released.
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http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/write.gif Great job and thanks, Bill and Daniel. I look forward to part 2.
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And the dark journalist (god i've already forgotten his name) does a good job of staying out of the way and letting you break it all down.
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my
Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
From the big picture to the rather smaller... I'll move some posts here specifically about Corey to
that particular thread, where the interview has also been posted. I do think this thread should stand, but maybe is the place to discuss any wider issues, and perhaps also the subsequent part(s) when they're released.
This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
Published on 8 May 2017
Bill Ryan is bringing awareness to a needed area of the
alternative-community online. There will be more on this in future Dark Journalist releases of this interview. I fully support what Bill is initializing, with the support of Richard Dolan and others.
Dark Journalist Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0...
Richard Dolan's blogpost from 2010:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showt...
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
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Well done, Bill!
Our gullibility is not our fault. I am with you on that! Yes, there are some who are sponge like. I know a few. I can be spongy when it comes to certain information. Thankfully, however, a few years ago -- before entering these waters -- I heeded the advice of people like Tom Campbell and William Buhlman, which was, in so many words: Don't take anyone's word for it; be open-minded but skeptical. With the criteria Bill provides in this interview, I, for one, feel more equipped to navigate the information.
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
I understand. I also suggest we consider that many, many good-hearted folks that may resonate with themes provided by some of the religious traditions could never knowingly deceive others, especially along these lines and thus often conclude that it is unimaginable that anyone could do this. And so when they experience something like what the Wilcock/Goode show has become including the refined way they present their performance in such a "believable way," though we might wish to blame the vulnerable, it seems far more important to focus on those responsible for the sham which may be just Goode/Wilcock and the Gaia crew but may very well be "others." Others performing various roles and tasks behind the scenes. Sadly this is quite a real possibility and I trust the experienced researcher's opinions about all that far more than what I might think and pretend to myself is my "intuition" - that it is all and only opportunists exploiting the vulnerable.
Perhaps Occam's Razor is not applicable in this situation.
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
Maybe I should have included a smiley face at the end of that paragraph....I just find that ironic humor works best without it. Was just being silly there:)
Just want to briefly acknowledge the modwiz video, which I enjoyed. Very perceptive. Smart. A nice compliment to the Bill video.
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Just want to briefly acknowledge the modwiz video, which I enjoyed. Very perceptive. Smart. A nice compliment to the Bill video.
I watched a different Bill Ryan episode the other day and appreciated what Modwiz had to say about him. It didn’t go unnoticed that Modwiz was quick to adjust the focus when the conversation tipped towards the petty and innuendo of BR.
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A shout out to his guest, Vern (sp?). Nice exchange between yous guys.
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Thanks, Folks. :star:
I've not actually watched it myself yet, so I'm pleased if it seemed to come out well. Daniel Liszt is highly professional at everything he does.
The interview was meant to be an hour (this was last Monday, all pre-recorded); but we talked for 4 hrs 20 mins, and went off in every interesting direction one might imagine. I also recorded some supplementary material later, too. So, this is only the first part. I think only this interview will be about Corey.
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Daniel was a genuine pleasure to talk to. He's bright, aware, laid back, very friendly, and extremely well-informed. Kudos to him. He had initially contacted me — I was really quite surprised — after my
Corey Goode piece had been copied all over the net, another thing I'd not anticipated. I was flattered when he told me that Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock had all told him that they were very pleased to have read it. (I got a very nice personal note myself from Catherine.)
DJ's shows are full of some of the most reliable sources of "Truth" in the "Alt-media" on the internet today. Just look at the list of regulars that frequent his podcast's. I am subscribed to his YouTube channel and never miss a show.
You are so right about Daniel's disposition. I also find him to be uniquely quirky in his delivery, which is IMO part of his charm. His ability to drill down in depth on various topics demonstrates his considerable knowledge. This enables him focus on the probing questions that leads to answers he and his viewers are seeking, rather then a rehash of things they already know.
Looking forward to part two!!
Bill, it must be a great honor to be validated by such highly respected people that have not only distinguished themselves over decades with insightful research and reporting, but have done so with considerable and unquestioned integrity. You are standing in great company. :thumbsup:
Make no doubt about it. There is an "Information War" aimed at the "alt-media". A primary target in this war is personal integrity. In my opinion, that is not an avenue your critics can pursue. :muscle:
I plan on posting more about this in the Corey Goode piece thread
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Just finished listening to part one... Bill,, you are a wordsmith! It is a pleasure listening. :):) You are really good at bringing all into context... I don't suppose you have an idea when part 2 will be published? ;);) Incase you still haven't listened, DJ leaves us on a bit of a cliff, with regards a story you want to tell,,, I thought it was brilliant... It feels like reliving it all, but from a much wiser posture.. For that i say "Thank you!"
Cheers,
Jake
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This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
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Thanks for that Norman, It was good to hear from Modwiz again. Wonder if he'd ever consider another try here ... ? :)
EDIT: I have to say getting further into this .. Modwiz nails everything, a very well constructed and well vetted perspective, I couldn't agree more with what he's saying.
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I don't suppose you have an idea when part 2 will be published? ;);)
Typically, Daniel uploads weekly, even when there are several parts in the series. It's a hot topic on blogs, forums, etc, so fingers crossed it'll be sooner.
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Thanks for posting norman. Great Interview Bill. I like this DJ chap. Thanks for posting some of his other stuff RunningDeer. Looking forward to the second int. Good to see Modwiz lovely face, he's so right about the entertainment / distraction element to the searchers path. The key here as I see it is being able to discern authentic whistle-blowers. I think the logical argument here is that those whistle-blowers who are silenced must be true and those left alive to blab and monetize their blab must be false, is flawed. It's flawed I feel, because it can be used against us so easily. A good example being Sun Zu's dead spy strategy, in short it talks of leaving distracting false evidence in the hands of a messenger who dies seemingly in the pursuit of delivering the message.. I do agree about the tv show filter though. When it hits the ancient aliens audience I think we can say with absolute certainty that the message has been diluted, a lot.
Lets not fall into the old trap of thinking that only a woman drowned by us by dunking, can possibly be innocent of witchcraft.....x... N
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When is part 2 being released?? Eagerly waiting with anticipation.
Dave - Toronto
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This quick response from Modwiz125 on Youtube does the 'wider issues' very well. He takes it beyond fantasy versus facts and brings it right back around to the Ground Crew realisation. A very positive direction to go with this issue, in my opinion. He's a different kind of voice probably speaking to a different kind of audience but whoever he's speaking to, I certainly get it, and I'm glad he's supporting Bill and opening up the conversation.
Published on 8 May 2017
Bill Ryan is bringing awareness to a needed area of the
alternative-community online. There will be more on this in future Dark Journalist releases of this interview. I fully support what Bill is initializing, with the support of Richard Dolan and others.
Dark Journalist Interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0...
Richard Dolan's blogpost from 2010:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showt...
OMG!! I'm only 12 minutes into this video and Modwiz is nailing it!!! I highly, recommend to all interested in examples of how the Information War and Information Operations are being conducted against the Alt-media today.
Bump:happythumbsup::happythumbsup:
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Glad to hear Daniel Liszt bring up Dr. John Brandenburg at the beginning of this interview even though briefly. I mentioned him myself in my most recent posts one seen here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1140168
Honestly I can’t understand why more forum members haven’t pursued his information over Corey Goode and other fantastical story tellers? Really?? Many tout they want disclosure which is basically what this man has given the public including scientific data and he’s been seemingly ignored on this forum and elsewhere from what I can see. Why aren’t people giddy about his work? I suspect it’s because he wasn’t ‘commercialized’ in the manner that Corey Goode has been. The fact that Corey has such a huge following shows how well ‘the programming’ has worked on the masses. Many people have lost their ability to discern properly and they think if someone doesn’t have their names in bright lights so to speak, then what they have to say is of no relevance. I think Bill touched on this a bit. I personally didn’t ‘follow’ Corey as initially his Milab background concerned me as often these people have a reputation of being compromised. Of course each individual needs to be vetted independent of one another, but that was my initial ‘feeling’. I don’t personally like to spend a lot of time on stories that are loaded with unverifiable information for obvious reasons.
As a long time member I have watched many of these so called alternative media gurus plant their false memes and stories onto the public and when some of us raised the warning bells we were literally shunned off this forum. I was accused of ‘grabbing the mic’, even had a thread started about me accusing me of ‘tilting at windmills’ and all my documented and well researched information shoved in a thread labeled ‘Conspiracy’ made not view-able to the public! The three people I questioned are now off this forum and yet back then, few listened to what I had to say and some forum members attacked me, when all I was trying to do was uncover the falsities of these individual’s claims!
So if this forum wants to be about getting to ‘the truth’ you might want to take some of your forum members work more seriously especially when we use science and well researched documentation to make our points. The problem I find is people don’t want to take the time to read. They want instant gratification and when you’re researching it can take many puzzle pieces combined before one can draw a definitive conclusion and even then a complete answer is not always possible if you have limited resources at your fingertips. If you don’t read what some of us are posting and you’re not good at memorizing pertinent points throughout your ‘researching ‘career, you will struggle connecting the dots properly. You cannot be a ‘truth seeker’ if you’re not a prolific reader. I’ve been researching since 2009 so my knowledge base wasn’t created over night and it certainly didn’t involve any cliff notes, lol. Anyone who researches if they truly are ‘researching’ will tell you they really don’t know ‘jack’ as that is what you begin to realize while investigating the plethora of rabbit holes.
Just a suggestion, if you want to be known as an ‘informed community’ of ‘truth’, take individuals who are well versed on specific topics and split off into groups. Be the researchers that you are, investigate, compare notes and then share your findings with everyone else on appropriate labeled threads. It’s impossible to be an expert on every topic, but people will appreciate the work if it’s presented clearly and fairly. The point isn’t to attack people, it’s to focus on the validity of their work/claims, if that’s even possible. In doing so, you will help create an environment that makes it harder for these false meme creators to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and you will be teaching people how to discern/and process information at the same time.
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take individuals who are well versed on specific topics and split off into groups. Be the researchers that you are, investigate, compare notes and then share your findings with everyone else on appropriate labeled threads. It’s impossible to be an expert on every topic, but people will appreciate the work if it’s presented clearly and fairly. The point isn’t to attack people, it’s to focus on the validity of their work/claims, if that’s even possible. In doing so, you will help create an environment that makes it harder for these false meme creators to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes and you will be teaching people how to discern/and process information at the same time.
Excellent points,
Both the audience AND the presenter have a responsibility to the data at hand, or the lack there of. We should be collaboratively vetting, not blindly supporting or attacking.
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.........So if this forum wants to be about getting to ‘the truth’ you might want to take some of your forum members work more seriously especially when we use science and well researched documentation to make our points. The problem I find is people don’t want to take the time to read. They want instant gratification and when you’re researching it can take many puzzle pieces combined before one can draw a definitive conclusion and even then a complete answer is not always possible if you have limited resources at your fingertips. If you don’t read what some of us are posting and you’re not good at memorizing pertinent points throughout your ‘researching ‘career, you will struggle connecting the dots properly. You cannot be a ‘truth seeker’ if you’re not a prolific reader. I’ve been researching since 2009 so my knowledge base wasn’t created over night and it certainly didn’t involve any cliff notes, lol. Anyone who researches if they truly are ‘researching’ will tell you they really don’t know ‘jack’ as that is what you begin to realize while investigating the plethora of rabbit holes.......
I have to confess right here right now that I am completely guilty as charged. I hate big long reads and will do almost anything to avoid having to do it, including occasionally using txt to speech software to make it into something I can listen to.
There's something defective about my reading and writing functions. I don't ever criticise the youngesters for their lack of reading enthusiasm because I'd be the pot callign the kettle black. I've creatively come up with many workarounds that usually get me through stuff but at the end of the day I have to bow to you real and proper readers and writers.
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I appreciate your candor Norman, and I truly do understand the dilemma. Reading endless content on any subject can be daunting; I have a stack of books sitting on my coffee table and book shelves that are waiting for me to tackle, it’s overwhelming.
I realize most viewers want a ham sandwich version which isn’t always possible. It’s a frustration I’ve had for a long time, because if I can’t get people to read the research, how will they understand the content of the material or why I’m connecting the dots in the manner I am? Some of these topics can’t be explained in a few paragraphs and quite honestly if they could….well let’s just say it would raise eyebrows as one could then question if the researcher really did their homework.
I'm also aware one’s eyes may glaze over when myself or others have taken the time to pound out some long posts; my intention isn’t to flaunt my knowledge or drown the viewer in endless words…it’s to show all the evidence I’ve uncovered and how I’m connecting the dots. I even attempt to highlight words by bolding or underlining to try and make it a more interesting read or to at least get the reader to focus on key points. All this takes time and it feels like I’m writing a book to make my point…in reality some of the material I’ve shared on forums has taken me several months of reading and/or researching in order to give the viewer a more condensed version. I write in the manner I do, because I want the viewer to understand not only what I believe, but what material I’m using for the basis of my belief so they can research on their own if they wish.
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Thank you we-R-one. Bill’s interview focuses more on how experienced researchers like himself can point younger ones to reliable investigators like Richard Dolan or Joseph Farrell, what to look out for, and then build on that. You give the other side of the story, describing how such people get to be ‘reliable’ in the first place, and I have to agree, because it is how I operate myself, albeit with a different focus and different tools. Bedrock to build on, or perhaps rocky outcrops serving as landmarks, or milestones, to 19th century American emigrants heading west they knew not quite where across endless plains – a different kind of ‘investigating the unknown’ to quote Richard Dolan’s phrase. What these intermediate destinations meant for the migrants was the reassurance of knowing they were where they needed to be, evidently on the basis of reports by others who had been there and come back east to tell the tale. Eventually, in places, these travellers jointly blazed a trail that could be safely followed. Likewise, modern investigators of the unknown need to know whether they are just wandering in the desert, or really getting somewhere. Or like ancient Hebrews, first the one then the other.
On my personal journey, while I have never come across Corey Goode, I would confirm that John Brandenburg is one of the landmarks that fit in with my overall picture. See these posts:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1055263
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1056949
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1055747
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. Many people have lost their ability to discern properly
OR maybe they are constantly profiling forums such that they knew what buttons to push. so in order to be more accurate one needs to go opposite of where the hered goes.
I am glad to know that there is another true researcher in this forum. The bad thing is there are many fakes everywhere. And the idea of course is to discredit the honest ones and sadly they are very effective so far. Meaning your results your truths does not become my truth automatically. because of the fakes that is abundant everywhere the seeker needs to go through all the stacks of books that you been. Now imagine all people doing this, becoming serious researchers?
When my guts cannot get a grasp of the topic I normally leave them alone. Maybe it does not concern me that much or maybe I can barely do something about it. And going through all the stacks of book will be more of a waste than benefit. Maybe the meaning of... "truth is self explanatory" is not far remove from... "the essence of the genius is knowing what to ignore"
perhaps seeking is more of what truth are we knowing rather than knowing the truth.
At least this are my reason for being the laziest reader and I dont blame myself.
There is an infinite variety of people with infinite diversity of purpose. everyone acting correctly according to his purpose.
Thanks for being a true reader /researcher lazy reader like me needs you:)
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What a great interview Bill. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thank you.
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This beginning to gain some traction on the alt news aggregator websites. EG. Before It's News: Although the contributor tended to be somewhat ambiguous about his own position.
http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/...o-2523913.html
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Bill-
I arrived at the veracity of the SSP subject and of Corey Goode FIRST through a different source who deserves equal scrutiny, as his story parallels Coreys'. And I was genuinely surprised that his name did not surface in the Dark Journalist interview, especially because the subject of eyewitness corroboration was discussed as a tool to help the integrity of claim. Namely, Randy Cramer's testimony (as US Marine Captain) and details about his involvement for 17 years in the program.
His claim (like Coreys') shares many details about the SSP program, the transport ships, the training at an early age... etc. To the best of my knowledge I believe they have not officially corresponded or have met, but are aware of each other.
-Brian
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I arrived at the veracity of the SSP subject and of Corey Goode FIRST through a different source who deserves equal scrutiny, as his story parallels Coreys'. And I was genuinely surprised that his name did not surface in the Dark Journalist interview, especially because the subject of eyewitness corroboration was discussed as a tool to help the integrity of claim. Namely, Randy Cramer's testimony (as US Marine Captain) and details about his involvement for 17 years in the program.
His claim (like Coreys') shares many details about the SSP program, the transport ships, the training at an early age... etc. To the best of my knowledge I believe they have not officially corresponded or have met, but are aware of each other.
-Brian
Once upon a time, I emailed Randy Cramer and invited him to share his story with Avalon. When I alluded to this on the forum, I got a sharp response in a PM from Corey saying that Cramer is unreliable, and his story is likely fabricated,, and that he does not want Cramer at Avalon... that was in 2015...
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post910573
For what it's worth..
Jake
Edit: Actually, it was 2014... :)
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I don't think the existence of a SSP is being questioned as some highly credible witness testimony came to light several years ago. Considering the circumstances surrounding some highly unpleasant abduction cases any nation with the ability and capacity would be foolish NOT to try to develop technology as quickly as possible to defend against that. Although these programs seems to have been co-opted by the Military Industrial Complex for their own ends and do not apparently serve the interests of humanity. Not that those in power and in control have much cared for humanity as a whole.
What I see at issue is the the blending of established claims to a personal narrative and then building upon that into highly fantastic and incredulous claims for personal attention, enrichment, or as a PSYOP against the truth seeking community. It's a massive distraction from the truth.
Having been interested in all of this for about a decade it would take very little for anyone to pull together elements from actual witness testimony and make it our own. Then embellish it with some "fantastic" new exclusive information and boom suddenly an alt media superstar! Probably make more money writing bad science fiction novels and crap tv pilots.
What would seem both odd and strange is that I am of the opinion that whislteblowers who write books, articles, speak at conferences or give interviews don't strike me as making large fortunes doing so. A select few develop an okay revenue stream occasionally but if they don't continually produce compelling new information/research they tend become stale news pretty quickly. Genuinely compelling whistlblowers tend to say their piece and then stop engaging after a short while and public researchers may put out a minor subscription offering. Hardly enough revenue to retire on comfortably or even offset costs.
Considering the well established danger to genuine whistleblowers AND researchers alike, with credible revelations comes highly credible threats. It does not come with a TV series and book tour. That is probably the LAST thing that will materialize.
What's next? Blue Avian dolls, Sphere Alliance toys and a T-Shirt saying "I'm the Earth Alliance Ambassador!!....because I"M SPECIAL"...but I need your donations to pay my rent and car insurance. *sighs*
Most credible researchers are making sacrifices to bring us their insights and share their research, they are not developing a cult of personality or a scheme to get rich or gain more attention.
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Bill-
I arrived at the veracity of the SSP subject and of Corey Goode FIRST through a different source who deserves equal scrutiny, as his story parallels Coreys'. And I was genuinely surprised that his name did not surface in the Dark Journalist interview, especially because the subject of eyewitness corroboration was discussed as a tool to help the integrity of claim. Namely, Randy Cramer's testimony (as US Marine Captain) and details about his involvement for 17 years in the program.
His claim (like Coreys') shares many details about the SSP program, the transport ships, the training at an early age... etc. To the best of my knowledge I believe they have not officially corresponded or have met, but are aware of each other.
-Brian
Yes. Do note that Randy Cramer's story doesn't hold water either. (At all!) I believe I explained why in one of the several threads on that subject, but I've not yet found the reference. (I can go into all that again, if it's in any way helpful, but not on this thread.)
Daniel and I didn't talk about Cramer's claims at all, but we did touch on Andy Basiago's Mars story, which can also be safely regarded as bogus.
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Just love the way your mind works, Bill.
Your interview really was great. The way you laid it out from start to finish, over an hour long explanation, without digression,even though at times it seemed like a digression, and then tied it all up nicely at the end was a really neat trick.
I was wondering, was it planned that way between you, or was that all you - on the fly?
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...was it planned that way between you, or was that all you - on the fly?
Nothing was planned (very much!). But it was all pre-recorded, over 4 hours of it, so Daniel had a great deal of material to work with and stitch together in whatever way he chose. I had no part in that editing process, though I made one or two suggestions — and Daniel and I were totally on the same page about the approach.
The remainder of all this will come out quite soon, I believe. I honestly don't know right now exactly what he's going to showcase in the next part. :)
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...was it planned that way between you, or was that all you - on the fly?
Nothing was planned (very much!). But it was all pre-recorded, over 4 hours of it, so Daniel had a great deal of material to work with and stitch together in whatever way he chose. I had no part in that editing process, though I made one or two suggestions — and Daniel and I were totally on the same page about the approach.
The remainder of all this will come out quite soon, I believe. I honestly don't know right now exactly what he's going to showcase in the next part. :)
4 hours, haha even if it's just cut down to 1 hour that's a LOT of cutting; though, given the right orator less editing is needed as coherent ideas are naturally presented in a great way.
Daniel does a great job.
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Great interview Bill, very much enjoyed it!
I'm grateful in many ways, to you and others like you, who are willing to put yourself forward, really stick your neck out, using your own name and your own voice to speak openly and candidly in front of so many listeners. It takes integrity, confidence, and tremendous guts if I'm honest. It has to. Of course you've done this sort of thing many, many times before, but it's this quality that some have, which you convey so naturally, that never ceases to amaze me. That I guess is what truly separates you and your ilk with the likes of most of us, and why you stand apart. Many thanks again, and I look forward to part 2...
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@ Mike...sorry, but it does seem like there are many gullible people in the alt community; otherwise how would this sort of person keep the money coming in?!:cash::cash:
I, myself, was once a very gullible person within the religious community for most of my life, believing whatever I was told & never questioning....until I finally realized what it had done to my life. So I would agree there are gullible people within whatever community exists on this earth as a majority of people do not bother to think for themselves. If that were not true, we would not have reasons for wars. Right now "someone" is trying to divide the alt community! :bigsmile: You know the old motto: Divide & Conquer!!!
I understand. I also suggest we consider that many, many good-hearted folks that may resonate with themes provided by some of the religious traditions
could never knowingly deceive others, especially along these lines and thus often conclude that it is unimaginable that anyone could do this. And so when they experience something like what the Wilcock/Goode show has become including the refined way they present their performance in such a "believable way," though we might wish to blame the vulnerable, it seems far more important to focus on those responsible for the sham which may be just Goode/Wilcock and the Gaia crew but may very well be "others." Others performing various roles and tasks behind the scenes. Sadly this is quite a real possibility and I trust the experienced researcher's opinions about all that far more than what I might think and pretend to myself is my "intuition" - that it is all and only opportunists exploiting the vulnerable.
Perhaps Occam's Razor is not applicable in this situation.
True intuition has nothing to do with someone fooling themselves. It is the opposite.
When you are at the state of knowing in consciousness, you can't fool yourself nor can you fake intuition.
Empowered Intelligence is a sure thing. From what we are learning on this thread, AI, or artificial intelligence is fallible.
If you think for just a moment, you will realize that copies lose their clarity. After copying many times they may be too blurry to be useful. Artificial Intelligence can never be as good as original intelligence. We have that in our heart, or core of being. We are developing theses perceptions quite rapidly now. That's why those who tune in to AI (technology, info from ego-heads, and those with selfish agendas) loose their clarity and ability to perceive pure truth. Those with Empowered Intelligence see right through it-- it's not a matter of opinion. Evidence supports intuition because truth is truth--it needs no defense as it stands on its own. The more someone tries to defend a point, or position, the less credible it seems.
The Empowered Intelligence that Modwiz mentions come from Source and those attuned to that frequency and vibration. They can't be fooled. The intuition may not be discredited. TRUST inner knowing. It provides the discernment and direction that we are seeking.
Only the self-deceived may deceive others.
Information needs to be truthful, useful, and whole. Incomplete information presents part as whole - it Is deceptive.
Ultimately, we are responsible for what we give back to life, and our inner knowing makes this responsibility viable. Truth is the rock of spiritual perception. And it IS setting us free!
My intuition resonates with those without ulterior agendas to the truth, and I super appreciate the work they do for us, so I do want to validate that point you are making.:highfive:
I appreciate the interview, Bill!
I also learned a lot from Modwiz123...thank you!
Lots of love,
MM
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Bill it was a great interview and as always Daniel does a wonderful job( he is really such a great interviewer)
I would like more comments about David Wilcocks part in all of this from Bill's point of view. Why is DW going along with this story do you think Bill? Do you still have any sort of contact with DW? Also Michael Salla. What is your take on Mr. Salla diving into this just like DW is?
Finally, might I recommend maybe that you start a podcast? I enjoyed the interview but one thing I dont like about DJ videos they feel like they are produced with a time constraint in mind, generally about an hour. This leads to having to shorten explanations or over economizing words. One thing about the modern media is it is for people with short attention spans but to have an indepth conversation requires longer thought out statements. My favorite media is presentations and podcast as they tend to be just free form and un edited, at least not edited to remove the naturalness of language( think jump cuts after every sentence in modern youtube videos). Your brain and trains of thought would be far better suited to a format like the Joe Rogan Experience where you just have a huge chunk of time to tackle whatever the topic is. Dont be afraid to create a thing that cant be handled in one sitting. Books certainly arent made this way so why should other media?
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I also learned a lot from Modwiz123...thank you!
Lots of love,
MM
I too was inspired by Modwiz's contribution to the conversation, I think this conversation should continue... So I added a few random thoughts to his contribution.
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I too was inspired by Modwiz's contribution to the conversation, I think this conversation should continue... So I added a few random thoughts to his contribution.
Great message, TargeT.
Awesome to see this conversation taking off. Seeing ourselves as truth tellers and not just an audience goes a long way in directing our energy and power more effectively and efficiently, and, as you and Modwiz discussed, taking responsibility for where all that energy goes.
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We, too, are truthtellers. Not just messengers. It goes both ways.
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No worries. Let me search this. This is counter to my initial Impression of the guy. Seemed very credible to me.
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More on this topic from Will Berlinghof HERE. :star:
