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thepainterdoug
THANK YOU GRACIE MAY! Agreed!
Let me add to my reply above. Gracie said something I agree with ,but this will tail off into an off topic discussion.
We do have borders. We do have a crisis. We do have a 2nd amendment. We do have guns. We do have drug cartels. We do have a population hungry for drugs who will buy them and keep the cartels in business .We are in debate over our environment and so on. These are realities not going away with any president.
You acknowledge the above grim realities but project bias when it comes to Biden
Trump built a wall and had a position on protecting our sovereignty.
Trump openly went after brown people and other foreigners calling them rapists, murderers, gang members, terrorists in a blatant and divisive racist appeal to white voters, to gather in the proud boys, militias and GOP diehards. He lashed blacks, muslims, before he tried to get elected. His view of US soveriegnty was purely for self empowerment..
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...eignty/598822/ .. "In his deeds, rather than in his words, Trump is concerned only with internal sovereignty, which has to do with the question of who has the final legitimate authority within a state. And he is advancing a particularly self-serving version of that idea—one in which he is the sovereign, free not so much from foreign interference, but from the internal institutions that exist to scrutinize and curb his executive power. This kind of sovereignty is an enemy of democracy, not its ally."
"Biden undid all Trump did and we have a crisis. He didnt do it for the benifit of this country or for the benifit of the people flooding in.
He did it because thats what the dems want. They want voters and to keep people on the government dole as insurance.
They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?
My feeling on our borders has nothing to do with race. 100% nothing.We either have a border, a policy, and a route to becoming a legal citizen or we don't.
And letting these people flood in against the law is an injustice to anyone who has waited on line to do so the legal way.
Fact Biden is trying to undo the worst excesses of trumps storm troopers victimising people held in concentration camps where you have kids sleeping on concrete , He can't undo all that trump harmed nor is the immigration influx the result of bidens election.
Trump spent billions on a wall that migrants jump daily using $5 ladders. The wall is still there, the people flood has continued before, during and after Trump. The only difference now is that kids are not being abused by border security and authorities are scrutinised to ensure minimal harm is done, the sick are cared for and some care and respect as per the US constitution for each living person is shown.
Quote he didn't do it for the country or the people flooding in"
Open bias on show there ..Biden has called for action from VP Harris to try to solve what is a huge ongoing and costly economic and human problem going on for decades if not the past century or so. Biden is demanding action and solutions to halt the influx, prevent systemic child abuse, separation of families, homelessness and the massive drain on government security, relief, health and other agencies. Putting up a wall doesn't address the causes of the influx nor stop it. it is a massive problem with no end in sight but involves years of diplomacy, aid, assistance, influence, pressure and
"They want voters to to keep people on the dole as insurance"
Again open bias.
Many of the illegal immigrants don't apply for citizenship, therefore cannot vote nor qualify for the dole, so your claim all are willing political pawns or dole bludgers is false. If that was the truth Texas would be a blue state as they have had the biggest growth in population especially from minorities than almost anywhere else. Fact check Immigrants want to work. They overwhelmingly look down on the dole. Study after study shows the tax and job benefits they and their kids generate are huge and also that the jobs they often are prepared to do the average American doesn't so they actually complement and fill out the jobs sector. Over $11 billion in taxes according to the PBS story.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy
Quote They want power, just like the Republicans do. its a matter of which of both bad systems do you want?"
You might want to actually look at what the Dems policies are, what they are attempting to do in the stimulus package in the face of incredible opposition from billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, bought off GOP and Murdoch to stop any changes to a current economic model which as we saw last year massively enriched the 1% but has hollowed out the middle class, encouraged division, racism, suppression of wages & minorities, lowered education for all but the rich, and continued extortionate healthcare.
The newest Dem congressmen and women elected in 2018 were told by trump spopkesman and ex goldman sachs how government is run.
“Gary Cohn, former CEO Goldman Sachs addressing new members of Congress today: ‘You guys are way over your head, you don’t know how the game is played,'” Tlaib tweeted. “No Gary, YOU don’t know what’s coming – a revolutionary Congress that puts people over profits.”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a...8-12?r=US&IR=T
So both parties are not the same and to lump them together is disingenuous. As I said from the outset America is at the make or break stage, the Dems through Biden are enacting policies to break the stranglehold of corporations and corrupt vestede interests.
Pulitzer prize winning journalist Chris hedges says America has a decade to fix its systemic inequities and rigged economy or else there will be civil war and total collapse.
He witnessed that in Europe. I take his views seriously..
Disillusioned voters opted for Biden because Trump was a tool of the billionaires. Now Biden is attempting to make a raft of radical changes including what are commonsense easily implemented programs to bring real benefits to the public and which have been iin place in other western countries since the 50's. Things like free healthcare & education, public housing, a months leave or more each yer, substantial sick leave, maternity leave for both parents, a shorter working week, unions, a living wage and real wage growth and others.
If you didn't vote you are to blame for not changing the system. You abrogated your responsibility to keep your politicians and businesses accountable and honest. If you voted for trump you wanted more of the same so don't bitch if the injustice, violence and protest which he fomented continues especially involving and against a racist embedded militarised police force.
Lastly if you can afford to stand in line to apply for citizenship, you are obviously rich enough and have the resources to not to be forced to walk/ smuggled under threat to life and limb across multiple countries to be dumped at the border. They would welcome a chance to apply legally. Many thousands don't have any choice left and see America as their only hope.. so the inrush continues.
