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I think he means consciousness without a self/Self can learn to do the right thing, so from that assumption any self is a unreal.
An interesting thought, there is a video from Jac O'Keeffe where...

Maybe this might be of interest to you tim, watch this from 1:17 to about 1:30 he explains his experience of going from enlightenment to meeting God.
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Indeed, not even I know what level I am on :pound:
Waking up is an on going process, it does not stop.


I do not make these claims.
I believe as long as you have a body you...

Honestly tim, I do not want to derail the thread by making it about my story or about God, I know in many non dual teachings they do not really believe in God.
I am not here to challenge that...

I did as you suggested.

I don't agree that we are God, at least not the God that is referred to in ACIM.
But we are one with God. Some awakened beings claim they are God, even Nisragadatta had...

Tim you were right, there was some ego to let go off, the ego struggled for a while lol.
But your message was really helpful.

Thanks for that post tim, it was really interesting to contemplate.
I do not think my ego is real, an ego needs a story and a story needs time, but only eternity is real.

It is true that we can...

Tim, I do not challenge your or anyone's definition of enlightenment, but it sounds like another bob, Jenci and Sebastion meant something different.

As Jac o' Keeffe mentions in this video, a...

I remember listening to a Lester Levenson audio in which a student asked him if he was in that high state of Buddha, Christ....and he said something like: "No, or I couldn't be talking to you here, I...

Hi tim, I was contemplating the back and forth of you and another bob and it puzzles me a bit, could it be that you both mean the same thing, except the definition of "enlightenment" is different?
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Great question, I looked up the meaning of free will, it does not necessarily make it clear to whom
this free will pertains to.
It says free will for “human beings” but what is meant by 'human...

Right now, billions of neurons in your brain are working together to generate a conscious experience -- and not just any conscious experience, your experience of the world around you and of yourself...

It seems the body is something very specific and concrete,
on closer look however, it is seen as abstract and undefinable or non existent,
whether as a feeling or intellectually.
The other day...

Good to see you guys :highfive:, I enjoy this thread because of the different perspectives and read it several times.

I wonder if anything definable can truly be real? because what can be defined...

And how do we distinguish them? What makes one thing more real than another?

I think so too...but you got to consider that this earthly life may be a very limited and small aspect of ourselves.
So the question is how much can we really know from that little perspective?!

Tim, thanks for talking about your path, I think many of us can relate to this and it is encouraging me/us to carry on.

I do wonder, why are you against going to the Higher Self? I was thinking...

I find this thread fascinating because of the many different perspectives presented, I do not believe in a final realization but that we are unlimited.



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