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Hi pie'n'eal,
I understand your point on "fluff" which points to the limitation of the use of language espcially English to describe an experience.

There are many tools that can be used to create...

Hi pie'n'eal,
You are correct these are just tools.

What did you use to type your message? Intention from my view was used.

Peace to you.[/QUOTE]

Dear Nortreb,

I used consciousness via...

Please explain what you mean by intention!
Dear Nortreb,

Isn't this all to get to the subtle, the very subtle?
These are just tools.

pie'n'eal

Please explain what you mean by intention!

Totally correct!!
I do this practise everyday. In the west most of our problems are in the subtle body. We are too alert, too emotional.
You could say, too conscious! We lack the empty aspect of...

Bill,
Tibetans call this the subtle body, consisting of winds channels and energy. Lung, nadi and tigle.
When we feel ill at ease or excited the wind (lung) energy is too high in the body, there is...