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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Try playing some of the footage at twice the speed. (Most video players' fast forward is 2x, but check.) It looks EXACTLY as normal, here on Earth.
    No, I'm afraid it does not. What does look similar is very small cherry picked moments at double speed.

    A while back I did a series of videos analyzing gravity segments on the lunar surface and proving that these cannot be on Earth. Here is just one of many that refutes that claim completely:-



    Another example:-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPLoqxacpFI

    Quote One of the many anomalies Dave McGowan pointed out is that what you NEVER see on the videos is what surely anyone would do, from that 'inner child' we all have... making a standing jump 6-8 feet up, like Michael Jordan on turboboost. Simple for anyone in 1/6 gravity. Yet they never do that.

    Another thing any big kid of an astronaut would do is take a football (or a moon rock!) and throw it maybe a quarter mile.

    That never happens, either. (Why? Because you can't fake that by slowing down the film.)
    Dave McGowan - nothing but his bare assertions and ignorant observations(feel free to highlight something he says that you feel warrants rebuttal).

    Let me put this into a context that is far more appropriate. Firstly if you are going to compare the two, the circumstances must be similar. Now whilst the weight of the man on the Moon is 1/6th that of the Earth man, the astronaut has his own body weight on top of his normal weight. Inertia is the same in both instances.

    Point 1: the Earth man must have the same limitation and inertia - a quick solution is to place a buddy piggyback.
    Point 2: the Earth man must be restricted in his bending and jumping by a cumbersome space suit.
    Point 3: the Earth man must be aware that if he topples backwards as indeed he would, there is the possibility his suit could tear or his life support be damaged on impact. Neither great in a vacuum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxAz5OIzQsU

    Besides:-



    As for throwing something, here is Jack Schmitt throwing his geology hammer. Now notice something about this footage. Because this is a continuous sequence culminating in the Apollo 17 ascent stage taking off from the Moon. Does anyone really think that these special effects were possible in 1972 with men walking around doing that?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj6a0Wrrh1g

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    Thank you Betamax! Someone else who understands the technical stuff about RF communications. Why so many disbelieve stuff simply becasue they are scientifically ignorant is really weird - and possibly dangerous. I doubt you'll make any difference because the minds of these folks are made up and most don't want to be confused by facts.

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    Hey Betamax...

    Let's hear you respond to post #419.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1400315

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    @ Cosmored

    So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they? Their measurement of RF path loss, propagation delay, Doppler shift and signal polarization, all consistent with a transmission path to and landing on the Moon were all made up? Really?

    Perhaps the Apollo deniers are not aware of the many technical hobbyists who have no connection with NASA, the government or anyone else. They just do it for the challenge. These were radio *hobbyists*, many professionally involved with radio communication, mostly in the US, but also in Europe and elsewhere. As you can see, even then they had pretty elaborate radio receiving kit, much of it designed and built themselves.

    If you can follow the engineering aspects it's described here:

    http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/...7/APOLLO17.htm
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/UoFSTS/UoFSTSx.htm
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100105...tory/apollo11/

    Please feel free to go through the technical descriptions, pick it all apart and describe why none of it was possible. Good luck...
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    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    @ Cosmored

    So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they? Their measurement of RF path loss, propagation delay, Doppler shift and signal polarization, all consistent with a transmission path to and landing on the Moon were all made up? Really?

    Perhaps the Apollo deniers are not aware of the many technical hobbyists who have no connection with NASA, the government or anyone else. They just do it for the challenge. These were radio *hobbyists*, many professionally involved with radio communication, mostly in the US, but also in Europe and elsewhere. As you can see, even then they had pretty elaborate radio receiving kit, much of it designed and built themselves.

    If you can follow the engineering aspects it's described here:

    http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/...7/APOLLO17.htm
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/UoFSTS/UoFSTSx.htm
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100105...tory/apollo11/

    Please feel free to go through the technical descriptions, pick it all apart and describe why none of it was possible. Good luck...
    I'd like to state, for the record, that I believe that we did go to the moon at the end of the 60's.......... Just want to put that out there so I'm not judged to be a "dangerous" person, by persons who judge such things. There are a few things, quite many when one starts to look, that are certainly strange or at least raise the eyebrow of any onlookers who look a little deeper.

    How plausible is it that all of the hobbyists who tracked the RF in real-time, could've been tracking pre-recorded signals transmitted from a satellite orbiting the moon? Is this at all possible?? If possible, would an observer be able to determine such???

    Honest questions asked especially to Nick Matkin and/or BETAMAX101.


    Regards.
    May your Spirit stay unbroken, may you not be deterred.

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    Quote Posted by The Moss Trooper (here)
    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    @ Cosmored

    So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they? Their measurement of RF path loss, propagation delay, Doppler shift and signal polarization, all consistent with a transmission path to and landing on the Moon were all made up? Really?

    Perhaps the Apollo deniers are not aware of the many technical hobbyists who have no connection with NASA, the government or anyone else. They just do it for the challenge. These were radio *hobbyists*, many professionally involved with radio communication, mostly in the US, but also in Europe and elsewhere. As you can see, even then they had pretty elaborate radio receiving kit, much of it designed and built themselves.

    If you can follow the engineering aspects it's described here:

    http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/...7/APOLLO17.htm
    http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/trackind/UoFSTS/UoFSTSx.htm
    https://web.archive.org/web/20100105...tory/apollo11/

    Please feel free to go through the technical descriptions, pick it all apart and describe why none of it was possible. Good luck...
    I'd like to state, for the record, that I believe that we did go to the moon at the end of the 60's.......... Just want to put that out there so I'm not judged to be a "dangerous" person, by persons who judge such things. There are a few things, quite many when one starts to look, that are certainly strange or at least raise the eyebrow of any onlookers who look a little deeper.

    How plausible is it that all of the hobbyists who tracked the RF in real-time, could've been tracking pre-recorded signals transmitted from a satellite orbiting the moon? Is this at all possible?? If possible, would an observer be able to determine such???

    Honest questions asked especially to Nick Matkin and/or BETAMAX101.


    Regards.
    A fair question...

    It would be quite a feat. Anyone within range of the ground station would hear the outgoing transmission. The reply propagation delay would get longer and longer as the 'satellite' moved away from earth. How would it be possible to keep the two-way traffic in sync if one was pre-recorded? If any of it was coming from a satellite orbiting the Moon, the Doppler shift would make it obvious it was coming from a moving object. And as it went behind the Moon signals would stop until it emerged from the other side.

    If you have time to read through the links you can see how the monitoring was done. These guys were not daft. Anything weird going on would be picked up by them, and of course the Soviet Union who would also expose a hoax.

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    Quote So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they?
    We read that radio amateurs were listening. There are scenarios that would explain this and they don't make the clear anomalies* go away.


    I hope you don't mind taking an objectivity test. Betamax maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real. Here's the info on that.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....-faked.578673/

    Do you agree with him?


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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Quote So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they?
    We read that radio amateurs were listening. There are scenarios that would explain this and they don't make the clear anomalies* go away.


    I hope you don't mind taking an objectivity test. Betamax maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real. Here's the info on that.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....-faked.578673/

    Do you agree with him?


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    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1395658
    You clearly haven't analysed or understood the links I gave you. What are the scenarios that would explain this? I have a couple of amateur radio clubs who will be closely examining your 'scenarios' once you describe them here. I expect they might be getting in touch with you, so I hope you have a water-tight explanation. They have active newsletters where members love to publish and discuss unusual topics...

    Betamax has already explained your 'anomalies'.

    Did I hear you on 'The Unexplained' a few years ago articulating your beliefs? Or was that some other... person? Anyway, the person I heard similarly had no comprehension of the technical details of RF communication and how faking it would be so obvious.

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    Quote You clearly haven't analysed or understood the links I gave you. What are the scenarios that would explain this? I have a couple of amateur radio clubs who will be closely examining your 'scenarios' once you describe them here. I expect they might be getting in touch with you, so I hope you have a water-tight explanation. They have active newsletters where members love to publish and discuss unusual topics...

    Betamax has already explained your 'anomalies'.

    Did I hear you on 'The Unexplained' a few years ago articulating your beliefs? Or was that some other... person? Anyway, the person I heard similarly had no comprehension of the technical details of RF communication and how faking it would be so obvious.

    I thought you would avoid the question. The government employs professional sophists* to control the damage done by the research done by Apollo hoax-believers. They are between a rock and a hard place with that issue. They have to agree with the official US government position which is that it was real. If they do that as Betamax has done, they just end up looking silly so they usually try to sidestep the issue. An objective truth-seeker would simply say the Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked in a water tank.

    You are obviously a sophist who knows the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do. There's really no sense in my wasting my time talking to a known sophist. I'm just going to post stuff for the viewers to see.


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    Here's an example of a lame attempt at sophistry by Betamax.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....e-moon.580330/

    I think he regrets doing that one; he didn't realize how obvious it was that he was misrepresenting what happened.


    Here is a further example of evidence that Betamax is a paid sophist who knows the moon missions were faked. Look at post #26 on this page.
    https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/ind...?topic=1118.15

    This makes it clearer.
    http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=7907


    Jay Windley*, the webmaster of the Clavius site** made it obvious that he was a paid sophist who knew the moon missions were faked by making a very lame argument. The details can be read in the above links but the argument he made was that just placing and transporting large-grained dust-free sand would cause enough erosion to create enough dust to cause a dust cloud when the sand is driven over. Betamax agrees with him. All the other posters at the Clavius forum*** agreed with him too so that pretty much proves that the forum is mainly a bunch of sophists talking to each other.


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    http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php


    edit next day
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    This appears at the bottom of this page when I'm logged in.
    Quote You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may edit your posts
    I seem to be blocked from further posting so I'll respond to post #437 here.


    Quote Neither of those are me
    I know. If you read further down, you'll see that I said you agreed with Jay Windley. I didn't say you'd made those posts.

    Oh well. I'm blocked from doing any more posting on this thread. I didn't chicken out and leave.


    another edit 1/5/21
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    Here's a link to where Betamax agrees with Jay Windley.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....ost-1072160649
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    Here's another case of lameness by Jay Windley.
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thr...on-jay-windley

    He refused to address the issue because he was between a rock and a hard place. I've found that a good way to expose shills is to ask them to address very clear issues. They either have to agree with the official US government version and look silly, or sidestep the issue and look silly.


    I got banned for a month here because I was using non-Apollo examples of the US government's lying to show that it was capable of lying which furthered my argument.

    (see 4th post from top)
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thr...a-bogus?page=3

    I continued the discussion here in a different section hoping the moderator wouldn't tie my hands.
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thr...a-bogus?page=1

    He closed the thread.


    I started a thread here...
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/forumdi...iracy-Theories

    ...on this video.

    Physics of the Moon Flag
    https://www.brighteon.com/5545a13a-1...3-050bac22b91d

    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...llo-Hoax-Proof

    The moderator banned me and closed the thread. It's true that I had snuck back after having been banned before. I'd been banned before for complaining about the censorship on the forum.


    I'd started this other thread before that.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...Hoax-by-Itself

    I gave up trying to make them admit anything as I knew they never would. Things were clear enough to convince an objective person that the flag moved in air so there was really no point in debating with Black Knights.

    Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs


    This guy's videos were such clear proof that Apollo was faked that YouTube deleted all of them.
    https://www.brighteon.com/channels/stevedachemist



    edit next day
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    Since I'm blocked from posting on this thread, I'll make one final post here.


    This thread deals with most of the Apollo-believers' arguments.
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

    A lot of the links in post #1 are dead but the new ones can be found later in the thread.

    The moderator banned me just because I was winning the debate. He changed the name of the thread and the word "banned" doesn't appear by my username.

    (post #561)
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpo...&postcount=561
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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Quote You clearly haven't analysed or understood the links I gave you. What are the scenarios that would explain this? I have a couple of amateur radio clubs who will be closely examining your 'scenarios' once you describe them here. I expect they might be getting in touch with you, so I hope you have a water-tight explanation. They have active newsletters where members love to publish and discuss unusual topics...

    Betamax has already explained your 'anomalies'.

    Did I hear you on 'The Unexplained' a few years ago articulating your beliefs? Or was that some other... person? Anyway, the person I heard similarly had no comprehension of the technical details of RF communication and how faking it would be so obvious.

    I thought you would avoid the question. The government employs professional sophists* to control the damage done by the research done by Apollo hoax-believers. They are between a rock and a hard place with that issue. They have to agree with the official US government position which is that it was real. If they do that as Betamax has done, they just end up looking silly so they usually try to sidestep the issue. An objective truth-seeker would simply say the Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked in a water tank.

    You are obviously a sophist who knows the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do. There's really no sense in my wasting my time talking to a known sophist. I'm just going to post stuff for the viewers to see.


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    Cor blimey mister. You've rumbled me and no mistake! Have a guess how much they pay me? Go on, 'ave a guess?!

    And remind us why the Soviets didn't expose the hoax?

    (After mentioning the 'scenarios' I see you avoided describing them. You may still do so. Maybe include them in your book...?)

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Quote So the radio amateurs who listened to and recorded the unencrypted analogue radio signals were all faking it were they?
    We read that radio amateurs were listening. There are scenarios that would explain this and they don't make the clear anomalies* go away.


    I hope you don't mind taking an objectivity test. Betamax maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real. Here's the info on that.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....-faked.578673/

    Do you agree with him?


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    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1395658

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com

    6. Credibility Test: "This calls for a credibility test. XXXXXXX maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real and not faked in a water tank. Do you agree with him?

    This is where the forum spammer uses one of his pre-determined idiotic conspiracies or erroneous claims as the yardstick for a credibility test. He is the arbitrator of its provenance therefore anyone who disagrees with it can now be referred to as "discredited" and all their rebuttal can be ignored.

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Hey Betamax...

    Let's hear you respond to post #419.
    Firstly you are not an "us". Secondly I have already given it to you many times, you just scooted off to another forum with your tail between your legs!

    Three points.

    Quote This guy Betamax is a paid sophist* who knows the moon missions were faked.
    I despise liars, particularly ones who repeat their claims and run away when asked to prove them. I know the Moon missions were exactly as claimed. As for your bogus opinion on whether I am a paid sophist, prove it or withdraw it!

    Quote He maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real which totally exposes him.
    Off topic and probably almost as moronic a claim as a flat earth believer. There are so many significant pointers proving this to be in space it is staggering that anyone is foolish enough to believe it - not least a flag moving around unrestricted, and a misshapen rotating piece of ice that quadruples in size under the guise of a "bubble"!



    Covered on my blog:-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co...ks-part-1.html
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co...ks-part-2.html

    Quote This was a pretty lame attempt of his to obfuscate and manipulate an anomaly.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index....e-moon.580330/
    Your response is simply denial.

    The following gif was found on the internet and is part of a sequence famous for Gene Cernan hopping along on the Moon. There are clowns on the internet who claim this is on wires.

    This forms part of a long continuous 30 minute EVA sequence.
    There is no jerkiness on his motion that would indicate any center of gravity changes from wires.
    As he rises he kicks soil ahead which clearly reaches the same height.
    The soil clearly strikes the surface at the same time as he lands.
    Unless the soil is on wires, neither can he be!
    He moves with perfect lunar motion.



    This video was an analysis I performed showing the motion consistent with lunar freefall:-



    Quite clearly, the figures do not work when the speed is altered. The only speed that matches the height is lunar freefall, as proven by the dust.

    Only a dishonest person can deny any of this.

    Quote I'm Scott on that forum.
    You've spammed identical posts on so many forums, I'm amazed you can keep track of them all.

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    Quote Posted by Cosmored (here)
    Here's another case of lameness by Jay Windley.
    https://apollohoax.proboards.com/thr...on-jay-windley'

    He refused to address the issue because he was between a rock and a hard place. I've found that a good way to expose shills is to ask them to address very clear issues. They either have to agree with the official US government version and look silly, or sidestep the issue and look silly.
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com

    4. For Rebuttal: "...so we already know what you posted is sophistry. "
    or
    "I can't say I'm one hundred percent sure he's a paid disinfo agent but his behavior fits the profile perfectly."

    This enables him to completely ignore any response, which he routinely does anyway, but throws this in for effect. Needless to say, he will never offer anything to backup his ad hominem statement.

    5. Miscellaneous: ".anyone who sees it will see that he's just a paid sophist."

    This is probably the worst one of all. For this enormous diversionary statement, he gets to ignore every single thing written by an expert in almost every aspect of the Apollo Missions. He gets to ignore a concise website detailing debunks for almost all his total crap. He gets to ignore every post made where he always get his ass handed to him. The basis for this is his "credibility test".

    Quote I got banned for a month here because I was using non-Apollo examples of the US government's lying to show that it was capable of lying which furthered my argument.
    You were banned for being a serial forum spammer and using a sock puppet account.

    Quote (see 4th post from top)

    I continued the discussion here in a different section hoping the moderator wouldn't tie my hands.

    He closed the thread.

    I started a thread here...

    ...on this video.
    Spam and shamelessly referring to examples of it.

    Quote Physics of the Moon Flag
    Spam again. I addressed this in my first posts here, needless to say you have ignored the response.

    Quote The moderator banned me and closed the thread. It's true that I had snuck back after having been banned before. I'd been banned before for complaining about the censorship on the forum.
    Banned for being a sock puppet and originally banned for failing to adhere to the forum rules and answer all requests properly.

    Quote I'd started this other thread before that.
    Spammed a hundred times elsewhere.

    Quote I gave up trying to make them admit anything as I knew they never would. Things were clear enough to convince an objective person that the flag moved in air so there was really no point in debating with Black Knights.

    Monty Python - The Black Knight - Tis But A Scratch
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com

    9. Idiotic Closes: "You'd get laughed out of the debating hall ..."

    or

    "you're about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video"

    The sheer irony of this is always lost on him. If ever there was somebody who behaved like the Black Knight - as his arm gets chopped off it's a "moot point" it would be this serial forum spammer. There is not a debating environment on this planet where this person would show up to. He knows more than anyone that he would get the floor wiped with his drivel.

    Quote This guy's videos were such clear proof that Apollo was faked that YouTube deleted all of them.
    https://www.brighteon.com/channels/stevedachemist
    Spammed numerous times and answered, then subsequently ignored on every occasion. The videos prove only your gullibility. I have debunked all those videos when they first came out and once again when you re-spammed them. You ignored all responses.

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    Quote Here is a further example of evidence that Betamax is a paid sophist who knows the moon missions were faked. Look at post #26 on this page.
    https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/ind...?topic=1118.15

    This makes it clearer.
    http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=7907
    Neither of those are me. I have reported your post. I am neither of the things you allege. Prove your claim with more than your ignorant opinion.

    I know the USA landed six times manned on the Moon. I know that you have no intention of honest debate.

    Quote This thread deals with most of the Apollo-believers' arguments.
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034
    Utter nonsense. It is a wall of debunked spam and deals with virtually none of the evidence proving the landings. My blog addressed most of your spam - LINK HERE

    Quote A lot of the links in post #1 are dead but the new ones can be found later in the thread.
    You're not kidding about dead links, but that doesn't stop you from cluster bombing your cut and paste on hundreds of forums without changing it.

    Quote The moderator banned me just because I was winning the debate.
    Meh. You were banned because you spam your debunked nonsense everywhere and ignore evidence. I believe he amended your userid description to include the words "I'm a dirty spammer" - there was your clue.

    Quote He changed the name of the thread and the word "banned" doesn't appear by my username.
    He also placed it in a sub forum called the dump and a sub forum of that called the PLAGUE box. I like his sense of humor.
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    Such a big controversy. Some of the arguments are compelling, and some are rather presented only to participate in an argument. In those years, there were no technologies that would make it possible to falsify everything on such a large scale. Plus, as mentioned above, everyone was watching each other. Now this might be technically possible, but what's the point?
    And then and now, most people are completely oblivious to such things. Everyone is working. So for whom to falsify?

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    To take a photo in water, photographer uses specialized equipment to protect a normal camera. If a photographer claims fantastic photos of underwater without showing special equipment, he/she becomes an idiot.

    All the wonderful video footage and photos were taken by normal camera without any thermal protection. By the way, the condition of the surface of Moon is between +100C and -200C. Why can't people see the obvious flaw in the first place? Laws of thermodynamics miraculously did not work on the surface of Moon.
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    Quote Posted by Hughe (here)
    To take a photo in water, photographer uses specialized equipment to protect a normal camera. If a photographer claims fantastic photos of underwater without showing special equipment, he/she becomes an idiot.
    Water can seep through the narrowest of openings.

    Quote All the wonderful video footage and photos were taken by normal camera without any thermal protection.
    Not true. The Hasselblad cameras used polished aluminum which has 95% reflectivity. In addition the lubricants were removed to stop them seizing in a vacuum.

    Quote By the way, the condition of the surface of Moon is between +100C and -200C.
    That is not correct but completely irrelevant anyway.

    https://www.space.com/18175-moon-temperature.html
    "When sunlight hits the moon's surface, the temperature can reach 260 degrees Fahrenheit (127 degrees Celsius). When the sun goes down, temperatures can dip to minus 280 F (minus 173 C)."

    The missions landed early lunar morning to limit black body radiation from the surface which would only have a marginal effect on any camera.

    Quote Why can't people see the obvious flaw in the first place?
    More accurately why can't you see there is no flaw.

    Quote Laws of thermodynamics miraculously did not work on the surface of Moon.
    They do, but your understanding of them seems to be the problem.

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    Let's wait for four more years to see how NASA would send humans to the Moon back safely.
    Or would Elon Musk and bunch of scammers be able to send stupid, delusional idiots to Mars?
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