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    As I post this my wife and myself are quite moved by this picture! Even my wife, who I must say is a specialist from the neck up, a pure prodigy for anatomy reconstruction and even she had to say OMG!? Is this pic doctored? Do you know for sure this is real? I could not confirm that it is not doctored for her but I was also quite awe struck here at the similarity especially in key features my wife certainly noted also to the point it brought a tear to her eye to think JFKjr was still here with us!
    Janine, a tarot card reader and (in my non-expert opinion) good reader of people, is convinced that whoever was on stage in Las Vegas presenting as Juan O Savin was actually someone in disguise, with at least a mask on the lower half of his face and with clothes and apparent body size ("big gut", in my terms) and low budget off the rack clothes, as part of that disguise.

    I quite agree with Janine that the real Juan O Savin has a lot of money and travels in high power circles overlapping with Trump's circles.

    So if the image you showed above looks like JFK Jr from his nose up, but like a big pudgy dude in low budget clothes below the nose, then this could fit with that being the real JFK Jr, in disguise.

    Janine is someone I enjoy listening to ... perhaps you will to ... or perhaps not. She's also someone who I figure is right more often than not ... I doubt that all of us here will figure that .

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    Janine, a tarot card reader and (in my non-expert opinion) good reader of people, is convinced that whoever was on stage in Las Vegas presenting as Juan O Savin was actually someone in disguise, with at least a mask on the lower half of his face and with clothes and apparent body size ("big gut", in my terms) and low budget off the rack clothes, as part of that disguise.

    I quite agree with Janine that the real Juan O Savin has a lot of money and travels in high power circles overlapping with Trump's circles.

    So if the image you showed above looks like JFK Jr from his nose up, but like a big pudgy dude in low budget clothes below the nose, then this could fit with that being the real JFK Jr, in disguise.

    Janine is someone I enjoy listening to ... perhaps you will to ... or perhaps not. She's also someone who I figure is right more often than not ... I doubt that all of us here will figure that .
    I like Janine, too. She's the 'reader' I mentioned in other posts but not by name. I watched Janine’s vid earlier today and another one from January 4, 20201. (added below) The earlier one, Janine says Juan really does wish to remain anonymous. For one reason it’s to his advantage. The book Janine couldn’t remember is, “Kid by the Side of the Road.”
    • Janine’s introduction of Juan O Savin begins @ 1:30 - 2:52.
    • The reading begins @ 11:54 - 17 minutes.
    There were a couple of things that I didn’t agree with Janine. Some people that come from money don’t dress for show. I’ve mentioned that I spent time over the years at “Skywalker Ranch”, Nicasio, CA. My sister and her husband lived and worked on George Lucas’ ranch. Her husband was the ranch manger and fire chief for 20+ years. Lucas has his own fire department and they are on call for the community. I got to see ‘famous people’ and was invited to one of his Fourth of July bashes. It was a mix of personnel and famous people and their families.

    It's not a cattle ranch. George’s office is located there. It’s a place of business, production, guest housing and all the amenities you can image. It’s typical on the ranch to see everyone rich and famous and not so famous dressed casual and/or jeans and certainly more cowboy boots and than I see living on the east coast. I wouldn’t doubt that Juan’s white cowboy hat cost a pretty penny. (It just hit me...he's a white hat.)

    The second thing I didn’t agree with Janine was Juan O Savin’s weight. Specifically, his gut. Not all rich people take the time to take care for their bodies.

    One thing I was surprised at was how young Juan looked. His voice sounds like an older person. I thought he was older based on his hands, so maybe there’s something to be said for when Janine says he’s either in disguise, or it’s not him. I listened closer after Janine’s reading and it sounded to me like the same Juan that does the interviews.
    (in my non-expert opinion)

    UPDATE: Janine explains further about the reasons for his appearance in the first ten minutes of the post below #17744.

    DEEP LOOK INTO INSIDERS KIMBERLY A. GOGUEN & JUAN O' SAVIN!


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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    For years I have felt that JFK Jr. was alive, ever since seeing his wife at the early Trump rallies. Now having seen Juan at the Las Vegas conference, I think it just might be JFK Jr. in disguise--a disguise that he has made into a separate persona for years now. His constant reference to 'justice' sounds like a man who wants justice for his father's murder. His references to the bible sounds like a man who has done a lot of soul-searching. Even his talk which was punctuated with him yelling at times, seems to be consistent with a man who has been under extreme emotional isolation and stress for the past 30 years. That full head of hair which surfaced when he took off his hat briefly, also seemed like Jr. The fact that he had Melania's exact parting dress indicates a very close, continuing relationship with Donald Trump. I can't imagine that dress is a replica.
    You may be interested in these video, Arcturian108.

    DEEP LOOK INTO THE RUMORS SURROUNDING JFK JR. & JUAN O’SAVIN! (17:27 minutes)
    • June 5, 2021


    LOOKING INTO THE TRUTH AROUND JFK jr! - STORIES, RUMORS & FACTS!
    WHAT'S REAL & WHAT IS FICTION?
    (14:58 min)
    • July 14, 2020
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    Do I dare add one more Janine? It’s just out. Along with other things, she talks about the intentional bad disguise. The possible goal is a progression of the big reveal. It’s the first 10 minutes.
    • October 25, 2021
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    link to page with info and announcement:


    REPORT: My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell Announces 3-day “Marathon” Broadcast to PREPARE THE COUNTRY for the 2020 Presidential Election to be Overturned


    my apologies if this has been posted! it was announced as "breaking"

    i really like Mike Lindell or anyone who believes in something enough to go on the line for it

    you just have to respect that

    of the 85,000.000 (joined by most everyone pretty much worldwide)?

    this man felt disenfranchised and disappointed like most of us

    but he took action EVER since then, to attempt to rectify it and do something about it

    at the expense of his reputation, he has invested in his beliefs substantially, and risked the alienation of people he loved

    i have a genuine and deep admiration for someone like that ...

    God bless him

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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Janine is someone I enjoy listening to ... perhaps you will to ... or perhaps not. She's also someone who I figure is right more often than not ... I doubt that all of us here will figure that .
    I started following Janine's channels when she was just starting to take off back in 2019. What impressed me was that she did a reading on how Meghan Markle's first pregnancy would progress, and she was very shocked to see that a surrogate was being used but relayed the info anyway. That was confirmed very obviously as MM was very sloppy in how she wore Moonbumps.

    Unfortunately she's sold out and she thinks Charlie Ward is genuine, that's when I stopped following her. I've wondered whether her meteoric rise was engineered.

    She also said that Harry and Meghan would start divorce proceedings in the summer of 2020 - still waiting on that one.

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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    DEEP LOOK INTO INSIDERS KIMBERLY A. GOGUEN & JUAN O' SAVIN!
    That was a good one - I had missed it in my travels on the Web today - thanks for posting it.

    Your comments, and Janine's comments, bring to my mind three points.
    1. Juan O' Savin's dress and pot belly:
      Yes, as you note, some wealthy people don't dress like they had money, and don't keep their body looking fit. Certainly JFK Jr's uncle Ted Kennedy didn't look that fit or handsome in his later years.

      However, everything I've seen of JFK Jr, both in "real life", prior to his supposed death in the 1999 plane crash, and since then in his "secret" life of which some of us Q anons speculate, suggests to me that he's a sharp dresser, and enjoys his handsome looks. He may dress down or in odd ways, but he does so quite intentionally, in my estimation.

      I also, at present anyway, find Janine's observation that his pot belly in Las Vegas looked fake to her to be credible. I didn't notice such myself, but that's not the sort of thing I'd ever expect myself to notice. This is the sort of thing of which I would expect Janine to be a keen observer.
    2. Kimberly A. Goguen:
      I have a very different take on Kim Goguen than Janine does. This take is lengthy, and fits better over on the Kim Goguen thread, where I have just posted it there as Post #575 In short, I have about as much respect for Kim Goguen as you've reported having for Simon Parkes (er eh - not much).
    3. Juan O' Savin's legal and journalistic background:
      Perhaps Janine was already aware of this, and just choosing not to say it (as part of her not mentioning "JFK Jr" by name in this video), but JFK Jr was a lawyer for several years, and was an editor and founder of the "George" magazine, a quite prominent journalistic effort at the time, in the 1990's. So that reading of Janine's matches, but since this legal and journalistic background of JFK Jr is public knowledge, that connection by Janine might not be significant, but rather just a consequence of her choice to not mention JFK Jr by name in this video.
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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Unfortunately she's sold out and she thinks Charlie Ward is genuine, that's when I stopped following her. I've wondered whether her meteoric rise was engineered.
    Oh dear - sounds like your take on Janine's evaluation of Charlie Ward is similar to my take on her evaluation of Kim Goguen .
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    DEEP LOOK INTO INSIDERS KIMBERLY A. GOGUEN & JUAN O' SAVIN!
    That was a good one - I had missed it in my travels on the Web today - thanks for posting it.
    I'll check out your Kim post. A few days ago, I listened to Janine’s two readings of Kim for a second time. Penny Kelly gave her take on what a ‘tarot reader’ had to say about her colleague. I assumed she was talking about Janine. The episode is: I am not “Deep State”! Why I talk with Kim Goguen. I didn’t agree with Penny’s assessment about Janine readings.

    My eyes aren’t closed to the fact that Janine watches a lot of content creators. Some I have crossed off my list and some never made it on. I keep in mind that she has a strong intuitive side, but Janine may be swayed by the latest "stuff" while interpreting the cards.

    These are a couple more I checked out:

    For those interested in checking out whether Janine is consistent or not, I’ll add the link to a recent video from October 19, 2021d: WILL WE REALLY SEE THE REVEAL OF BOTH OF THE JFKs? + JUAN O' SAVIN'S BIG EVENT! WHAT WILL HAPPEN?
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    I appreciate this last series of posts, and believe these illustrate how the Q drops influence has spread out in so many directions, influencing Cliff High's concepts/knowledge of the SOCs (Self Organizing Collectives), the whole JFK Jr alive conspiracy theory (which Q said no to), Juan's Patriot Movement videos, his take on the OfficialMcAfee telegram channel, so many powerful memes being produced daily, etc.

    To desire to restrict this thread to discussion of drops that ceased Dec. 08, 2020 ( https://operationq.pub/), seems to me to be similar to the Council of Nicea meeting to 'canonize scripture', throwing out any writings from inclusion in the Bible that did not meet their desires for the messaging going forward.

    I suspect these (historical) Q drops may become even more meaningful soon as this process plays out, time will tell.

    I suspect the SOC behind the Q drops is still active, has moved on due to issues/collapse of a securely administered 8kun, the surface-level apparent removal of Trump from power, and is or may soon be still communicating outwards in some fashion. (So much of the Q posts in the later days were Trump electioneering, likely from Scavino anyways.)

    The challenge for us in this thread is to continue to research, document, and evaluate the contributors and messaging around this 'Great Awakening' movement that the Q collective helped to advance greatly.

    While admitting to ourselves that some Hopium is involved (with the current abjectly horrible surface level state of our planet's governance, how could we not allow ourselves some of that?)

    while we continue to act to spread and defend freedom and Truth as best we can).

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by lisalu (here)
    Just saw this on FB this morning. From Brooks Agnew. "Occasionally we meet souls who are powerful enough to shift universes. Juan O Savin"



    The big reveal?
    Juan O'Savin finally reveals himself

    Part 1:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/MyIkWvJFHDj6


    Part 2:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/tVOUGp2SnRbh
    Jim Caviezel's historic speech at Juan O Savin's event.

    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.

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    I just realized that Bidens regime is placing all their hope on passage of trillions in spending and now because it is so important, do you think it will pass? Also even if it passes it might be one of the red lines. The more I see how Psaki and all Bidens minions salivate on the passage the more I think it will be stopped.

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    Jim Caviezel's historic speech at Juan O Savin's event.

    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks for Posting this Billy, I found it quite powerful.

    I also saw something here at the end, when Juan gets up to shake Jim's hand. I saw JFK,Jr. It was a brief moment. Hairline, texture of hair, but also something in the eyes. Take a look, see what you think.
    I've always oscillated about Juan. Was often disappointed in his interviews as they seemed anti-climatic to me. Never felt he was Jr, but suspected somehow he was connected to the clan & Q.

    OTOH, I've always felt there was a good possibility Jr was alive.
    *The strangeness around his death. Too many things didn't add up
    *Many of the posts on the (Is JFK, Jr alive) thread certainly were believable, or at least thought provoking
    *When I first listened to the video "The Plan" that most of us here watched, the person narrating sounded like him to me.

    As for a Juan disguise. I do remember that Jr wanted to be an actor when he was in college and acutually performed in several college plays. His mother changed his mind as to an acting career. So maybe now, he's finally getting to be the actor he always wanted to be!

    Quote Brigantia: Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.
    Possibly. Cowboy boots have heels and some are higher than others. Many of our short actors where them to give height. But then there's also the fact that most of us lose some height over the years. I was 5'3", now 5'2". Of course it happens gradually. So unless Juan is short, even with cowboy boots, it wouldn't be a good test. According to Google Jim Caviezel is 6'2". When Juan stood up to shake his hand at the end, he seemed about the same size. Of course I don't know how high the heels on his boots are.

    Also I was surprised at how agilely Juan stood up at the end. Older men with big bellies, usually aren't that spry.
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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.
    Melania is 5”11” (bare foot). I assumed the dress was measured to include 3-4“ heels when hemmed. The dress is on a stand that is tall enough so it won’t be dragged across a dusty stage.


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    According to Google Jim Caviezel is 6'2". When Juan stood up to shake his hand at the end, he seemed about the same size. Of course I don't know how high the heels on his boots are.
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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.
    Melania is 5”11” (bare foot). I assumed the dress was measured to include 3-4“ heels when hemmed. The dress is on a stand that is tall enough so it won’t be dragged across a dusty stage.


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    According to Google Jim Caviezel is 6'2". When Juan stood up to shake his hand at the end, he seemed about the same size. Of course I don't know how high the heels on his boots are.
    Hard to tell at those angles... time will reveal all, I'm keeping an open mind about it.

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    Hard to tell at those angles... time will reveal all, I'm keeping an open mind about it.
    I agree, time will reveal all. I was going to add this last one to the post, but I'll add it here.


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    It seems like Congress, is missing in action again other than a few Patriots sounding the alarm. We can't have another Pelosi moment when she says, "we have to pass the bill to know whats in it..."


    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/vlnic9

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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.
    yeah... it's not him.

    noses don't get shorter with age, they get bigger...
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

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    Does anyone know how tall Juan O'Savin is? JFK Jr was 6' 1" so if there's a discrepancy, it's not him.
    yeah... it's not him.

    noses don't get shorter with age, they get bigger...
    ... and taking a closer look, the chin and brow ridge are different too.

    Update

    Look closely at the ears as well - similar, but not the same. Ears are unique, like a fingerprint.
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