The Qanon posts, and associated US political analysis

[norman]

Posted by Chester (here)
This might be of interest -

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eeLQuwa8ssc

At no point in either Trump's interview or the quotes from the DOD did I hear anything about a Gates Vaccine. Only 'a vaccine'.

Also, the military taking full control over such a proposed program sounds very much to me like a firm removal of dodgy globalist agencies from the ground work.

So, is it going to go all the way to a forced military administered vaccine ? Maybe, but I doubt it.

What I see forming is a patriot controlled wall around the whole proposed process that will be established early and first before the clowns get their hands all over it. What ultimately happens about the vaccine will depend on how things play out with several factors.

Even if it comes to sticking needles in millions of people, nothing I've heard so far indicates Bill Gates and the clowns are going to get what they want out of it. They might even spend billions on a vaccine that is never used, at least not in America, and going by the 500 millions of kits, hopefully not Britain either. As long as Trump just says vaccine, instead of the WHO or Gates vaccine, I'll hang on with hope that he's only setting the stage for firm control that the clowns can't monkey around with.

[Sadieblue]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fmpRnxPVCYw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yoboTKjn9Y

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
It is unfortunate that so many threads are thrown off topic, because of an individual who needs to make their controversial view the topic of EVERY thread. We've had people here on Avalon who have to interject on so many threads about how events are related to their interpretation of the book of Revelation, or subject the topic to endless numerological analysis, or determine that all the bad people in the story are secret Jews.

There is a place to discuss just about everything on Avalon, but to try and bring up your controversial view ("controversial" by the generous standards of Avalon) and try and evangelize on every thread is just plain anti-social and disrespectful of the many views and topics that are here. You aren't violating any Avalon rule by viewing the world thru the lens of The Book of Revelation, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or Q-anon messages, but it should be grounds for Sabbatical if you continuously engage in a way that disrupts so many other threads, or if you start policing threads and castigating those who's views don't conform to your ideology.

Onawah, I was going to suggest that the off topic posts be removed, however, there are many who see the divisive Q banter going on and then avoid the thread like a room where a skunk entered and let loose. Yes, better to close the thread and start anew.

I will respond here, where hopefully allowed.

The only topics where I included 2 replies related to this subject this year, both this week - were located in the section: GeoPolitics, Politics.


So these claims are greatly exaggerated to make your points.

For your post in that forum area:

Posted by Kryztian (here)
I would like to see some actual evidence that Trump is actually distancing Fauci. Nothing here other than some generalized talk of "rumblings in the White House."

On the other hand, Trump seems to be venturing off in a new direction:

Trump mentions "ObamaGate" in his Twitter feed, twice in the last 24 hours. What's up with that Mr. President?

I thought the very recent proof of the president (or whoever keys his twitter entries) using this Q communications channel to respond to Qanons and to amplify messaging was relevant to current events and to Politics and to the 2 threads I posted in.

Due to these recent events your analogy fails - this is nothing like the Elders of Zion or The Book of Revelation - these are current events that will affect the 2020 election.


Fact 1 (of president using Qanon/Q-twitter followers channels to amplify messaging):


https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter...witter-more-20

Trump has repeatedly amplified QAnon Twitter accounts. The FBI has linked the conspiracy theory to domestic terror.

As of May 11, Trump has amplified QAnon Twitter accounts at least 131 times

As of May 11, 2020, President Donald Trump has amplified tweets from supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory at least 131 times via at least 80 individual accounts, some of them more than once. (Since the novel coronavirus pandemic began in the United States, he has amplified QAnon Twitter accounts at least 36 times via 15 individual accounts.) Additionally, members of Trump's family, his personal attorney, current and former campaign staffers, and even some current and former Trump administration officials have also repeatedly amplified QAnon supporters and their content.

Fact 2 - The president's tweets respond to request from a Qanon researcher to Q at 8kun where Q posts (and is a specific answer to the question above about where did the #ObamaGate usage by Trump come from):

From 4199

4199

Q Fulfills Anons Request for POTUS(Q+) to Tweet ObamaGate (Q Proof)
Q

!!Hs1Jq13jV6
10 May 2020 - 4:54:03 PM
>>9111644 (/pb)
For Anons.
Q

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
Verified Account
@NeonRevolt
Posted in QAnon and the Great Awakening
Coincidences, coincidences...

So the Q comm channel is, in the last week, directly relatable to tweets and retweets from Trump's twitter feed, and provides a direct answer to the question included in your post about #ObamaGate.

Yet me pointing this out is spamming and too controversial for the Avalon Politics area?

These are current events and absolutely relevant to the topics where I replied.

To continue to shut facts out of the public discussion of USA Politics because of past debates and controversies is not the path to Truth or Knowledge, nor is this indicative of some members being open to new information with the potential to reshape views, in my opinion.

To quote the Dude

New sh#t has come to light

Regardless of how the Qanon communications channel started or what it was in past, it is relevant and significant now to current events and current election politics as the Trump communications group is conducting them.

Perhaps its time to revisit the subject of this communication channel with an open mind?

I thought so, but clearly I was wrong.

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The MSM response to all this has been as expected:

https://www.wired.com/story/qanon-de...2020-election/

new yesterday

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...coming/610567/

[edina]

Additionally, this is the only thread in the forum where a person can express a positive thought about Trump, and America, without being bombarded by people who want to proselytize and evangelize anti-Trump, anti-American, narratives. (Usually in some form of a character slandering rant.)

It tries my patience, at times. Mostly because it comes off as there being a double standard within the forum as to what is "allowed" and what is "not allowed".

This is still one of the most popular threads in the forum, even in it's suppressed status. You can't keep a good thread down.

I figure, just focus on where you're welcome. And let the rest sort out their issues. So many of those other conversations are sooooo negative, I honestly don't want to participate.

The QAnon movement is becoming increasingly mainstream. Millions of people are talking about the movement and what they are learning from it.

At some point, it's going to break through, into mainstream consciousness. It's already water cooler talk, or coffee table (*ZOOM) conversations (*with the lock-down and all).

Maybe at the point when this topic becomes full-on open, Avalon will revisit it's attitude on the topic. Or maybe not.

People can become quite entrenched and rigid in their thinking. Some never flex ...

Meanwhile, in addition to HRC talking openly about the QAnon movement, Trump tweeted this...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...26114799468549

Flynn's digital solders, Trump's Keyboard Warriors... made me laugh.

[edina]

Fistbump your neighbors...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-59rPziG_n0

... and get pursuity ....

[Savannah]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jn_oJwhME2Q

I was disturbed to see how a member on this thread was treated by others on the forum because he dared to talk about Q outside this shadow banned thread. I again felt so sad over the manipulation of people on Avalon and the censorship of the forum I was again thinking I can’t possibly come back to this place. This video was tweeted by Tom Montauk and a few minutes in he talks about Q. He basically says he dismissed it at first but now feels that Q may be a reflection of waking of humanity, the positive forces increasing on the Erath. As people awaken (as we move toward the golden age) we will see that reflected in the world.
Unfortunately we don’t see that on this forum in regard to this material. We distrust government and rightly so, if they even think Q is real they think it's an American brain washing cult to just accept another political matrix meme. They sit in a superior; I'm more evolved than you attitude and try to sensor those who want to look at this material. They use the same social manipulation to keep those on this forum and in society away from the information. Respected members and forum disparage the material and shadow ban it. They encourage the other members to feel fear that they will fall into a cult of worship of Trump and America. They will hijack the forum, even destroy the forum and take your only source of freedom and expression away if you let “those people in”. We can’t even do what I am doing now… writing about it…acknowledging it because I’m stirring the pot again and risking the little hidden space they allow you few to exist, with the hopes you will just go away.
Lions, Tigers and bears oh my! Well many of us have pulled back the curtains as he notes in the video and realize it’s just a man behind the curtain. We will follow whatever information our hearts tell us to. Even if were shadow/banned and kicked off forums. This information is just one small part of what we focus on. Unlike cult members we don’t worship Q, we see it as a source of information and our eyes are Wide Open as to who it is and where it comes from. We don’t worship Trump, we see this information as a reflection of the waking of humanity to the matrix and a possible positive move in another direction. It is not the end all by any means it is the crack in the mainstream egg, that lets the light in.

[Savannah]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Chester (here)
This might be of interest -

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eeLQuwa8ssc

At no point in either Trump's interview or the quotes from the DOD did I hear anything about a Gates Vaccine. Only 'a vaccine'.

Also, the military taking full control over such a proposed program sounds very much to me like a firm removal of dodgy globalist agencies from the ground work.

So, is it going to go all the way to a forced military administered vaccine ? Maybe, but I doubt it.

What I see forming is a patriot controlled wall around the whole proposed process that will be established early and first before the clowns get their hands all over it. What ultimately happens about the vaccine will depend on how things play out with several factors.

Even if it comes to sticking needles in millions of people, nothing I've heard so far indicates Bill Gates and the clowns are going to get what they want out of it. They might even spend billions on a vaccine that is never used, at least not in America, and going by the 500 millions of kits, hopefully not Britain either. As long as Trump just says vaccine, instead of the WHO or Gates vaccine, I'll hang on with hope that he's only setting the stage for firm control that the clowns can't monkey around with.

I was thinking/hoping the exact same thing

[RunningDeer]

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[RunningDeer]

Unlike cult members we don’t worship Q, we see it as a source of information and our eyes are Wide Open as to who it is and where it comes from. We don’t worship Trump, we see this information as a reflection of the waking of humanity to the matrix and a possible positive move in another direction. It is not the end all by any means it is the crack in the mainstream egg, that lets the light in.

Posted by Savannah (here)
This information is just one small part of what we focus on.

Triple, triple, triple

[norman]

Posted by Savannah (here)


I was thinking/hoping the exact same thing

Since writing that post I've been thinking about that 1 million military reservists that Trump activated about a month ago. I think the emphasis was on people with medical and care experience.


edit:

still thinking . . .

I suppose, IF a Gates vaccine is handed over to the military for treating the public, the first thing the military will do is take it to a lab and test it to find out exactly what is in it.

[Gemma13]

I watched from a curious distance for awhile before investing a bit of time reading posts here trying to get a better understanding of what all the fuss was about before deciding to throw Q to the curb. That was well over a year ago.


- I now see Q exposing political scandals with evidence whilst working toward bringing justice to corrupt politicians and their community stakeholders.


- I now understand the time it takes for orchestrated, strategic events to occur in this process. 


-  I now understand the mechanism of providing a cryptic secure communication channel between a "connected intelligence group" and citizens, that bypasses propaganda channels.


- As much as I would love to see the individuals behind Q and their intelligence centre and technology, I do appreciate the need for anonymity.  They would be destroyed without it.


-  I now understand the need for citizens (anons) to source, confirm, discuss and share data/evidence.  The learning process alone in this technique is invaluable, let alone the investment in the cause for justice that follows.  Change cannot happen unless citizens are aware, invested, motivated and mobilised to support an agenda. The Q agenda has stayed the course and remained consistent over time.


-  I understand that cryptography is used to protect the "intelligence group" and there's certainly no harm in citizens expanding their education learning analytics; they could be "wasting their time" doing worse.  More than likely there are more purposes behind the cryptography, as in intelligence group individuals signalling/cueing each other, but that's above my pay grade.


For forever countless ethical reporters have had their evidence based stories squashed or buried; if they were ever fortunate enough to get published and stay alive.  How does a society fix this.


The Q mechanism appears to be successfully tackling this problem.


Which is why I personally don't view Q as a cult.  There isn't anyone to worship.  It's all about the data and who is fighting for it to be released and shared with the public.  And it currently happens to revolve around Trump being the most powerful of the players.


I see Q as a social movement.  And so far I believe it's working positively.  A minor example would be the 24hr takedown of Bill Gates' Marina Abramovic Microsoft advertisement.  I have no doubt the Q supporters helped contribute an army of support to those citizens disgusted with Abramovic and Gates. 


There is however a definite Q sub culture cult that worships Trump.  But in any movement that has grown to this size it is inevitable sub cultures will evolve.


Personally I don't like Trump or some of his ideals, but I do support many things he has done and is trying to do.  The Q material expanded my understanding of how Trump operates.  He is definitely not the idiot he portrays at times.  At any rate, gotta give him credit for having the balls to take on the players he is trying to take down when the threat of assassination confronts him daily.


If Q turns out to be a technological virtual social experiment only, then it's been valuable gaining insight from the inside, however peripheral.


If Q turns out to only be a Trump political campaign then it's a virtual learning experience for futures to come.


The amazing Q takeaway for me is the speed of being able to keep up with political affairs because of all the real data/evidence revealed by Qanons that mainstream suppresses.


Which is why those here, including myself, find it very unfair to lump all Q conversationalists into a one size fits all category by anti-Q protestors.  


I think what mountain_jim was trying to politely do was say Hey everyone we've been tracking these political topics for a long time, they are very real as you are now, only just, starting to see so we can help bring you up to speed if your interested.  Trouble is the Q moniker can't be avoided or pretended not to be there because it's where the wealth of information is.


If Q continues to survive no-one knows how this movement will evolve over time.  Especially if Trump isn't re-elected.


But for now, from my peripheral purview over a couple of years, it appears to be doing more good than harm.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Important drop. Are we awake yet?

Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 05/15/20 (Fri) 16:54:25

Listen carefully.
Why are possible [treatments][cures] being banned?
Why are possible [treatments][cures] being attacked?
Why are possible [treatments][cures] being targeted?
Evidence overwhelming?
HOW DO YOU KEEP PEOPLE LIVING IN FEAR?
HOW DO YOU KEEP PEOPLE DIVIDED?
HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY VOTE-BY-MAIL?
HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY STATE BAILOUT(S)?
HOW DO YOU MAKE PEOPLE STARVE [DEPENDENT ON GOV]?
HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY ANYTHING NON_COVID RELATED TO BE A POLITICAL ATTACK [FISA_UNMASK]?
HOW DO YOU CREATE A DIVERSION?
HOW DO YOU SHIFT THE NARRATIVE?
HOW DO YOU KILL POTUS ECONOMIC GAINS?
HOW DO YOU KILL POTUS UNEMPLOYMENT RECORD(S)?
HOW DO YOU PREVENT POTUS RALLY[IES]?
HOW DO YOU DELAY USA_CHINA TRADE NEGOTIATION [PREVENT [FIXED] BILLION(S) CLAWBACK]?
HOW DO YOU SHELTER [BIDEN] FROM DEBATES?
HOW DO YOU SHELTER & PROTECT [BIDEN]?
HOW DO YOU PUSH_DELAY [D] PARTY CONVENTION?
WHY IS PUSHING CONVENTION CLOSER TO ELECTION DAY NECESSARY?
HOW DO YOU CHANGE-OUT [D] PARTY CANDIDATE [OPTION]?
HOW DO YOU CONVINCE [D] PARTY VOTERS TO ACCEPT?
HOW DO YOU TRAP [INSTALL MEDICAL ADVISORS_SKY_IS_FALLING] POTUS INTO ENDORSEMENT OR FACE WW MEDICAL-SCIENCE-MEDIA FULL ASSAULT?
IS THIS ABOUT THE ELECTION OR THE VIRUS?
WHO BENEFITS THE MOST?
Time to end the horror show?
Time to term [select] science advisors?
Time to term [select] gov controls by legal challenge?
Time to stand?
Q

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Unlike cult members we don’t worship Q, we see it as a source of information and our eyes are Wide Open as to who it is and where it comes from. We don’t worship Trump, we see this information as a reflection of the waking of humanity to the matrix and a possible positive move in another direction. It is not the end all by any means it is the crack in the mainstream egg, that lets the light in.

Posted by Savannah (here)
This information is just one small part of what we focus on.

Triple, triple, triple

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
I watched from a curious distance for awhile before investing a bit of time reading posts here trying to get a better understanding of what all the fuss was about before deciding to throw Q to the curb. That was well over a year ago.

Just wanted to say, excellent post. You summed up every point perfectly. Regarding Trump, I've long maintained the opinion that he was basically asked to run - by military intelligence maybe, and possibly against his wishes initially - but to do a very specific job. Being a successful, highly experienced, thick-skinned businessman, and a complete Washington outsider to boot, he's uniquely qualified. I certainly don't agree with everything he's done and is doing, but then, none of us have the big picture. He can only be accurately and fairly judged when his tenure comes to an end.

I made this (below) meme to that effect. It's how I feel about things at the present moment. Because we must always be on our guard, and think of our perceptions as merely transitory, always subject to new, ever-evolving information (e.g. there was once a time when I thought Obama was a positive appointment). We'll see how it pans out in the end..

[Gemma13]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
e.g. there was once a time when I thought Obama was a positive appointment).

Attachment 43629

Yeah me too. I jumped for joy when he was elected. What a catastrophic disappointment that turned out to be.

[Chester]

Posted by Chester (here)
This might be of interest -

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eeLQuwa8ssc

Fake News got me again. I am mostly immune for falling for it, but I have to admit I fell for this one...

What I "feared" was that Trump was essentially mobilizing "the military" to "force vaccinate."

From this article - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...virus-vaccine/

The good news came from this comment found below the article -

This article was written before the end of the press conference. The President specifically stated that the vaccine "will be available to all those that want it". He then added that some won't want to take it, which upset the MSM questioner.

They will vaccinate me and/or one of my loved ones who doesn't want it OVER MY DEAD BODY!

[mountain_jim]

Gemma13, I just want to say your post warmed my heart greatly while capturing the gist of this process/movement and my latest intentions within it so well.

[Waldo]

If you are not familiar with Martin Armstrong you should be. He has called all the major moves in the markets before they moved. He has the only function AI on the planet. He based his program on centuries of cycles, everything is a cycle. He said right from the beginning this was a political Coupe. Over the years my favorite people to read have shifted, Martin cured me of being a hopeless gold bug, not to say that I am not still a gold bug I just see it differently now.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/w...personal-gain/

[RunningDeer]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
Gemma13, I just want to say your post warmed my heart greatly while capturing the gist of this process/movement and my latest intentions within it so well.

Me, too, Gemma13. I saved it and Savannah's post and two earlier today by edina on BlueGreen's Hollyweird GreatAwakening thread. They're thoughts and feelings I've had for a long while but are careful not to speak out loud. It was cathartic to read them.

A few weeks back, I wrote this as a response to a member's comment to another person who was simply sticking up for someone. Up to that point, there was no mention on the thread about "Q". She stated: 1) "It appears to me that you are trying to pick a fight, perhaps because you are a big Q fan, and know that I am not?" 2) "I wonder if some of the Q fans want to start a big new crisis".

I provided links with a list of names and how many times each member posted on all the "Q" threads. That member hadn't posted on any of them.

My response: I view Avalon members as 'we', not 'us' and 'them'. I look forward to the day when members choose not to assign blame on those that have posted on the “Q” threads. One thing I’ve noticed is those that frequent the main thread do not speak of “Q” elsewhere since July 14, 2019.* That was the date when Bill revised/revisited the forum’s mission. I'm amazed at how they're able to take the high road. The only way I can is to take frequent breaks from the forum.

* For the sake of accuracy I should add in case I've missed posts, they may have respond to questions/comments to them from the naysayers on the open forum.

Posted by edina (here)
It tries my patience, at times. Mostly because it comes off as there being a double standard within the forum as to what is "allowed" and what is "not allowed".

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
I watched from a curious distance...

Posted by Savannah (here)
I was disturbed to see how a member on this thread was treated by others on the forum because he dared to talk about Q outside this shadow banned thread.

[edina]

Here's the latest Q Post which I think is kinda cool...


Q 4255
!!Hs1Jq13jV6 15 May 2020 - 5:39:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc
Where. We. Go. One. We. Go. All.
Q

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc

And Trump's face when the Space Force flag was unfurled earlier today ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bvUmafPHxx0

I've often wondered if this all eventually leads to full disclosure and the coming out of technology that has been kept from humanity.

It's too early to be certain, but, today's signals are encouraging.



Note Added: I had been hearing a bit about the Artemis Accords the past month, or so. Justplain just shared an article published today.

I don't think the timing of all of this is merely coincidental?