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    In my country there are no people of any color, and if it were, it is not as if we were two different species, we look the same and we all have 10 fingers and two hands to be able to hug, above all the doctrine, whatever it is, and above all suffering.

    We are human.
    Many tears flowed until we humans waited for everything to get better, but apparently a few or many do not understand until we completely lose hope.

    I know that unconditional love is the biggest paradox possible, but we are all here and we all see that it is morning dew on the grass, we all share the same rays of sunshine, we all have sad or happy moments.
    It is a very delicate matter to be addressed in words, but if we have a pure heart for any kind of life, then we also have the freedom to say honestly "I feel love for all that is alive!"
    We are individuals, beautiful, powerfull, magical, creative beings, we are humans, everywhere we are just humans.
    We may need a "revolution of natural and pure humanity" that we all have acquired through our self-merit in altruism over the pure idea of ​​life, because it all begins with life.

    I know that some may not be able to fully understand what it means to appreciate the life of every living being, but I also know that many of us humans, if we see a child regardless of color, screaming in pain in the street we can not be careless and we will definitely jump immediately in order to help him.
    In fact I am here for the first and last time, only as a kind of reminder that for us, maybe, "all lives matter" has a positive and optimal relevance for the unique human race.
    And all this to be just human.

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    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    Quote Posted by Praxis (here)

    If you truly think ALl lives matter then I expect that you also are for:

    Medicare for All
    Universal Basic Food programs
    Labor being represented on Boards of Companies
    Ending homelessness by giving people a way out of it(ie free housing for all)
    Many of those changes I do want in some form. I used to subscribe more to the economic libertarian ideas that are common on this site and other conspiracy discussions, but nowadays I see them largely as a dead end. If anything I've grown more open-minded to FDR style New Deal changes. I think that too that many libertarian/independent leaning Americans increasingly do not at all understand the perspectives of minorities, younger generations or foreign cultures, and when it comes to the human toll on the environment, they have their heads in the sand.

    Despite that however, my belief in civil liberties has only strengthened, and thus I'm quite averse to many aspects of critical theory. For that reason, I'm skeptical of any movement to correct inequalities that relies on a top-down approach, without have a bedrock of decentralized energy abundance to build off of.
    Chris, I don't even know what Critical Theory is. Mike has mentioned it several times, so I figure that it is like the SJW bible. And hey, you seem to have blown past a lot of the b.s and arrived at the conclusion that the governing war mongering duopoly never want anybody to consider. Democratic socialism, and by that I mean everything on the list that Praxis has outlined, appears to be the only way out. And heavy heavy emphasis on the 'democratic' part with a lot of citizen involvement and plenty of checks and balances.

    Much of the problem of race is grounded in class, in poverty as Sue/Ayt posted. There is this underlying tension, all the time...for everybody. I lived in the States for a few years, and it was bad then. I don't imagine it's gotten anything but much worse.

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    Thanks Constance, I will read up on it. I am avoiding youtube. If CRT is what I think it is, the videos will annoy me too much to watch.

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    My father was racist, he didn't like strangers. He was a farmer who loved the land not out of conviction but not having to be an only child. He was a beekeeper, an occasional hunter when he spotted a rabbit, he knew how to flush him out of his burrow. He kept these sheep and an intellectual on his own when a stranger was invited to the house. In my youth, I was like him, no questions asked, it came from my education. We lived near a military barracks, there were from Reunion Island, Tahiti, Guadeloupe doing their military service, maybe my father's racism came from there? I can think in the United States it is difficult to conceive of racism even if it can exist between black and white, even if the discrimination is still there. There is the before and there is the after. Slavery has not been abolished, we are still someone's slave in this world. To come back to racism, France within 50 years, maybe less, will have lost its original identity, you know the Gallic, the French of deep France, that of my father, of our ancestors, of our history, like that of America. It is the flow of evolution that is at issue and certainly not the racism which I think is in the history of mankind, but all countries are not equal in diversity ... 🙏
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    Hi. Listen Gemma,

    I am very very sorry I painted with such a broad brush last night. I upset you and that wasn't fair. You are obviously a lovely person who cares deeply and is trying to get to the truth. A lot gets lost in translation.

    Anyway, I figure that if we were to know the specifics of our lives we would be friends. I would understand why you think the way you do and vice versa. And being spit on for no reason, as a child, would be a formative experience for sure!

    The reason I asked you why you were addressing me as if I wasn't there is because in your initial post to me, I didn't process the first line correctly, just the first few words. I have optical damage from glaucoma and it fell in my blind spot. So that must have sounded pretty unhinged.

    Take care,

    Autumn

    Hey Autumn

    Thanks. I agree that in person we would probably have some really great conversations and a lot of laughs.

    And as much as I am very happy to read your message and very grateful to you for sending it I'm kinda disappointed it had to come via PM instead of being posted publically in the thread.

    I think it's really helpful for members to see no hard feelings between people after a sticky exchange on a highly charged topic, as well as seeing a bit more of our true selves.

    So I'd like to ask if you are willing to post your PM on the thread. I would then be able to respond publically to your grace in an equally graceful way.

    I think it would serve the forum as an important "educational moment of closure" if you like, that could potentially help others in future entanglements.

    Kind regards
    Gemma

    And sorry to hear of your visual problems - a bummer for sure.


    Here it is, Gemma!

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    Awesome Autumn.  Thank you so much for sharing our PM's and for your kind words.

    I knew we were sitting on the edge of crossing the line in forum standards when we butted heads the other day so I'd also like to apologize to the mods for putting them through a moment or two of having to hold their breath as we nutted it out.  Thanks Mods for calling it when you did.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    Thanks Constance, I will read up on it. I am avoiding youtube. If CRT is what I think it is, the videos will annoy me too much to watch.
    You really have to look into it, as it is rapidly becoming pervasive, especially in the corporate environment.

    I have not read this, but I track on a lot of the articles and writings of Lindsay and Pluckrose, and by all accounts this is an excellent primer: Cynical Theories



    Lindsay is hilarious, and this interview is very worthwhile to watch/listen.
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    PLlama, I know all about it. I just didn't know that it was called CRT. I can't stand it. It politicizes what should remain personal. People shouldn't be persecuted for being different, but neither should the entire world bend, in a very public way, to the neuroses and will to power of those who misuse the rubric of "individual rights, human rights, etc..."

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    It was so bloody obvious, back then, that this was where we were heading.

    BLM HAS SET ANTI-RACISM BACK DECADES

    BLM promotes a politics of division and victimhood at the expense of social solidarity.

    Rakib Eshan 8 Deceber 2020

    Following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer in May this year, Britain has witnessed a wave of Black Lives Matter (BLM) demonstrations. These protests have not only taken place in major cities such as London, Birmingham and Bristol, but also on the Isle of Wight and the Shetland Islands.

    They have not had the positive effect BLM’s witless supporters envisaged. A recent poll by Opinium has found that a majority of people – 55 per cent – believe that BLM has actually increased racial tensions. This view is also shared by many ethnic-minority Brits (44 per cent). Labour voters are also notably more likely to agree than disagree with the view that BLM has heightened racial tensions in British society. From the perspective of social cohesion, these polls highlight a worrying sense of growing division and antagonism.

    And there has been a lot to divide and antagonise coming from the BLM movement. We have been subjected to the sight of protesters chanting ‘don’t shoot’ at British police officers who are not usually armed; police officers being assaulted with impunity during ‘largely peaceful’ BLM demonstrations; a BLM activist attempting to burn a Union Flag at the Cenotaph; statues being torn down by BLM activists; and the defacing of a statue of Sir Winston Churchill, who led the British charge against Nazism in the Second World War.

    Moreover, the exclusionary nature of the BLM movement has intensified intra-black animosity in Britain, with black Britons who refuse to toe the BLM line labelled by identitarian fanatics as ‘coons’ and ‘Uncle Toms’, and accused of being ‘race traitors’ and ‘house negroes’.

    When taking all of this into consideration, is it really any surprise that the majority of Brits have taken such a dim view of the BLM movement?

    . They are focused on making white British people feel forms of ‘collective guilt’ over slavery and colonialism, and vilifying non-white people who firmly reject the politics of victimhood. Indeed, the latter was perfectly demonstrated by the wave of hostility directed at Munira Mirza after she was appointed to set up the UK government’s commission on race and ethnic disparities. Pro-BLM activists called her a ‘racial gatekeeper’ and ‘brown executioner’.

    As well as being a trade unionist who has traditionally voted for the Labour Party, I dedicated four years of my life to PhD research, which explored the impact of discrimination on the social and political trust of Britain’s non-white minorities. To now be lectured by pro-BLM ‘anti-racists’, who are ultimately more interested in winning virtue-signalling competitions in their extra-padded identitarian echo-chambers than in producing practical measures to strengthen racial equality in Britain, is not something I take kindly to at all.

    The anti-racism movement is increasingly taking its eye off the ball when it comes to bread-and-butter issues: tackling racial discrimination in the labour market; creating a more responsive NHS which meets a diversity of health needs; building ties between police forces and urban neighbourhoods; and boosting forms of political trust in traditionally disaffected minority groups. Instead, the anti-racism movement is being taken over by those who have pledged allegiance to a political campaign that aims to defund police forces and dismantle the UK’s market economy. It is a deliberately divisive campaign which crassly portrays Britain – which remains one of the most successful examples of a postwar multi-racial democracy – as some sort of hard-right authoritarian dictatorship.

    BLM is responsible for undermining the anti-racist cause. It has alienated those who are serious about racial equality but do not see their own country as a fundamentally evil entity. It has also been implicated in the growing normalisation of left-wing bigotry – something the Labour Party should be especially wary of given its troubles with the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

    The UK, over the past few decades, has made steady progress in terms of race relations. The totalitarian impulses of the BLM movement are undoing many of these advances. It is time for patriotic social democrats to take a stand, push back on radical identity politics, and provide an uplifting vision for a post-Brexit Britain based on social cohesion, mutual respect, and equality of opportunity.

    And we must do so before it is too late.

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    A slice of history, how the caricature of black people looked. This mindset was prevalent by repitition.



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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjh8VcPMys

    CRITICAL RACE PRAXIS:  THE GREAT PRAXIS.  EPISODE 1 JAMES LINDSAY & MICHAEL O'FALLON

    Terrific breakdown on how and why Critical Race Theory is a CONSPIRACY THEORY:

    . origins and what Critical Race Theory really is,

    . how it was relevant back in the '50's but not today,

    .  how they gaslight people into submission,

    .  how it has been cleverly designed into a cult, also co-opting the anti-racist mob, and has infiltrated schools, churches, work places, etc,

    .  how they want to define white people as inherently negative/evil,

    .  how it wants to fight discrimination with more discrimination,

    .  how it uses key words/definitions to market their conspiracy, e.g. Critical LOVE!,

    .  how the public and Mama Bears are pushing back in schools, churches, etc,

    .  great advice given toward the end of the vid for knowing how to push back on the gaslighting so your voice and logical questions can be heard.

    Sent to me from a friend.  Critical to this thread.

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    Neil Pascoe and mate

    Thank you Constance. One of the most deeply resonating pictures I have seen that shows what is key to the issue: man-to-man bonding and love in all its meanings. Acceptance of sameness-in-difference and difference-in-sameness as a treasure, body-to-body, soul-to-soul, spirit-to-spirit, "nakedness lovingly watched by nature”. A variation of the story of the Indians meeting in the West – popular in personal developmental circles – “You are another I, I am another You” — but now resting on so many visual cues a well-crafted picture can bring. Great to find it back. A Yantra to keep in mind when one meditates on, or contemplates, love, as my Tantra teacher used to say.
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    Neil Pascoe and mate

    some things (good or bad) feed off the energy you give them, and only exist because of it.
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    Wanting something to be true and the actual truth are quite often entirely different things.

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    I'm sure it's been mentioned in 31 pages by now, but I thought I'd just quip up with something because in many places on the Internet this, what I'd call fact, seems to be memory holed.

    Contemporary racial tensions are largely manufactured by the media and have been since late 2012/early 2013 when Occupy Wallstreet was striking to close to a solution - class consciousness. Ever since then the media went into overdrive on trying convince America that racism was alive and well, but it's never matched up to my personal life and I suspect many here would say the same thing.

    The one catch, though it was manufactured as well, is that some of my jobs towards my nearest major city, Cincinnati, have been frustrating due its status as a Sanctuary City. They were sales jobs and, you might guess, it's not easy working a sale when you have to resort to Google Translate. It affected my performance ratings. It was frustrating but I didn't have anything against the (illegal) migrants personally - they wanted a better life like we all do. In a roundabout way, though, they made my own life worse when it was a commission pay sales job.

    In a personal setting, though, I can genuinely not recall any racial tension with anyone in my life.
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    Woke is a "dog whistle" for racism against white people?

    Yeah; I'm not shocked...

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