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    Default How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    December 29, 2017

    Tabitha Mercy, Staff Writer
    Waking Times



    Approximately 1% of the human population fit the description of a psychopath: a personality type defined by a lack of care for others, a lack of empathy, violent and aggressive tendencies, shallow emotions, selfishness, dishonesty, overconfidence in themselves, and the ability to manipulate people. These types of people often exhibit behavioral traits known as the Dark Triad, a trio of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.

    Some 25% of male inmates in the federal corrections system fit this description, but many psychopaths are often high-functioning people who often make their way into positions of power, such as CEO’s, lawyers, media personalities, sales people, police officers and religious clergy.

    Knowing when you’re face to face with a genuine psychopath is easy if you know what to look for. When people speak, we use conscious and unconscious words (such as ‘to,’ ‘the’, ‘uh’ and, ‘um’), and we choose verb tenses which indicate how we think. According to research focusing on interviewing convicted murderers, psychopaths shared some of these identifying patterns.

    “To examine the emotional content of the murderers’ speech, Hancock and his colleagues looked at a number of factors, including how frequently they described their crimes using the past tense. The use of the past tense can be an indicator of psychological detachment, and the researchers found that the psychopaths used it more than the present tense when compared with the nonpsychopaths. They also found more dysfluencies — the “uhs” and “ums” that interrupt speech — among psychopaths. Nearly universal in speech, dysfluencies indicate that the speaker needs some time to think about what they are saying.” [Source]

    In viewing interviews with psychopaths, these traits are apparent, as can be seen in the following interview with American serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells.



    The psychopaths we meet in our daily lives are also easy to spot. Conversations with psychopaths and narcissists are easily identifiable when you understand that they tend to create masks for themselves, a type of alternate personality used to relate to different people in different ways.


    Psychology Today covers five conversational traits worth reviewing to understand more about how to quickly identify psychopaths.

    1) Confides in you immediately.

    He was betrayed by a wife who took everything, but has succeeded in rebuilding his fortune. He’s on retainer with the NSA: Can’t get into it today, but you’ll be reading about it in the news this year. Yes, he is married, but only because his wife is highly unstable; she would fall apart if he leaves right now. Whatever the disclosure, it comes before he even knows whether or not you are trustworthy. And it involves a way in which he is vulnerable or powerful; wholly transparent or movie-star mysterious.

    What’s going on: The full-on disclosure is a bid for sympathy and for forced intimacy. His involvement in high-profile events “off-stage” is meant to impress. The more quickly you bond or become enamored, the more quickly the next phase of manipulation can begin. Whatever the content, a surefire warning sign is the premature timing. These individuals offer revelations before any intimacy has been established—maybe even within minutes of meeting you for the first time.



    2) Repeats “confidential” information that he’s already shared with you.

    The stories about the wife who took his fortune or the top-secret government contract may be repeated verbatim or near verbatim from one encounter to the next. Sure, we all have our pet narratives and canned stories that engender eye rolls amongst those who have heard them multiple times. So pay close attention to the nature of the information that is repeated.

    What’s going on: If self-serving or self-aggrandizing information is repeatedly recycled, the individual is likely using a script, one that he’s forgotten that he’s already deployed with you. Psychopaths in particular are glib, and mendacity is their lingua franca. Sometimes they lie for no reason other than their own amusement. But they also lie to further specific agendas, and that is when they are most likely to go on auto-pilot in the delivery of false, scripted stories. Because people are interchangeable in the eyes of a psychopath or a narcissist—one-dimensional beings in whom they have no genuine interest—it can be hard for them to remember what they’ve said, and to whom.

    3) Asks no personal questions or asks very pointed questions.

    You may walk out of a social encounter or a date and realize you have not been asked one single question about yourself, despite having learned a ton about the individual (see above). Pay attention to the degree of informational asymmetry: Does he disclose an enormous amount without asking or expecting you to reciprocate?

    What’s going on: If nothing is asked of you and no interest expressed, then script delivery is the entire point of the encounter. If he asks a ton of questions but moves quickly from one to another, rather than allowing the conversation to organically unfold, he may be mining you for data, including information that can be used to gain a sense of your vulnerabilities. When chatting with a new target, psychopaths frequently strive to elicit information about stressors or life problems, so that they can ingratiate themselves with offers of assistance. This is an effort to gain your trust, of course.

    4) Asks for special favors.

    Asking for “special favors” is a DSM-V criterion for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder; so common is this behavior. While most people ask for favors out of genuine need or to build intimacy, narcissists and psychopaths are more likely to do so because they feel entitled to others’ time and effort. They may literally use the term “special” to convey that you are on the receiving end of a privilege that they deign to bestow.

    What’s going on: These requests can serve multiple functions; after all, psychopaths and narcissists are expedient as well as grandiose. They may simply see you as someone to be used in the manner best suited to their immediate needs. They may wish to create a dynamic in which you are conscious of your subservience. Your compliance with a request, however small, may be a test. You pass if you betray a willingness to be controlled or manipulated. Expect more and escalating requests, either out of pure Machiavellian utility or because such acts will further graft you to this individual. As intimacy increases, the psychopath in particular may become fixated on a target executing his request, as a clear test of wills.

    5) Makes odd asides about you.

    Off-the-wall statements may come couched as assumptions, positive or negative. You are discussing your family and he might say, “It must be hard to be the smartest person in the room.” This won’t compute—you’ve never said you were smart, nor characterized yourself relative to your family. Such a remark would not be intended merely to flatter you, but also to passive aggressively put down your family.

    What’s going on: Psychopaths and narcissists have no direct lock on uncharitable jabs. But when statements are made by people who do not otherwise appear blunt or obtuse, they may be deliberate attempts to destabilize you. This too can be a test, to see whether you will stand up for yourself, or whether you will do spade work to reclaim this person’s kindness or affection, which may suddenly feel imperiled after an ugly remark. Cruel statements that are seemingly out of the blue can also signal the willful or absent-minded removal of the mask.

    Unpleasant remarks can be all of the above: Psychopaths and narcissists love to keep others guessing; it reinforces their power. The psychopath’s default attitude toward others is one of disdain. This person does not like you, and he is in fact inwardly mocking you throughout the conversation. Unkind remarks are but the first clue. Stick around and these statements will come faster and more furiously.

    Read more articles by Tabitha Mercy.

    About the Author
    Tabitha Mercy is a staff writer for Waking Times, where evolution and revolution unite, and for Offgrid Outpost.

    This article (How to Know When You Are Talking to a Psychopath) was originally created and published by Waking Times and is published here under a Creative Commons license with attribution to Tabitha Mercy and WakingTimes.com. It may be re-posted freely with proper attribution and author bio.

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    The Waking Times info seems quite correct to me. While reading it, I have memories of having these exact interactions with psycopaths, where they try to quickly gain your confidence so that they can manipulate you - and yet I can't remember when and where this has happened and who the people were - as if there was some strange spiritual force present when I was interacting with them.

    The ABC (now part of Disney) info however, is completely erroneous and the type of media misinformation that causes people to misunderstand the true nature of psychopathy. They are describing sociopaths, not psychopaths. Sociopaths enjoys seeing other people suffer, psychopaths are indifferent to the suffering of others. Sociopaths commit crimes because they want to hurt others and make them suffer. Psychopaths commit crimes because they want something for themselves and are indifferent to the suffering it may cause others.

    For this reason, sociopaths often end up in prison because they have to have a direct connection with there victims, they need to witness the suffering of their victims, they need to be able to imagine it in their heads and enjoy it, as a normal person might go about enjoying a good meal. Psychopaths however, walk away from their crime scenes, indifferent to whether or not their victims suffered.

    It is for this reason that in our society psychopaths are often able to rise in the corporate world and the political world. They put their own well being way ahead of the safety of their customers and constituents. If it makes corporate profits or gets political donations, they are happy to back toxic pharma and GMO, fraudulent banking program that extort money from the middle class, and violent military conflict and war, if it makes money for their cadres, and thereby, brings wealth and glory to them. And the best psychopaths have learned to effect compassion - when all is said and done, they will stand before the camera and with a doleful eye tell the world how sorry they are that the "accidentally" released a drug that had deadly side effects or declared war on a nation that after all, never had any weapons of mass destruction. And when they go off camera, they will have a nice meal and a good nights sleep because they don't really care, and there "mistakes" were really good business decisions that they will continue to repeat because they make money.

    So when people refer to the leaders of the world that are f***ing up our destiny as "psychopaths", just know that they do not enjoy hurting you and have a connection to this hurt, but that they are just able to care about you or feel any compassion towards others and have no psychic connection to you, not concern for your well being. Yet, they are very skilled at making you think so, at least from the vantage point of the camera and the media that becomes between you and them. And the media (here: ABC Nightline/Disney) is trying to deceive you about what psychopathy really is,

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    Easy:

    1. they are usually extremely charming - most we do not feel them as being off (the killers we sometimes do, but not the others)
    2. they will make you comfortable and make you feel you will get the moon on a silver platter
    3. they make you feel like the one and only, the most loved, talented, etc
    4. Slowly by slowly, you wlll start doing what they want, their plan, their objective
    5. you will end up working for them basically for free - or letting them have your belongings
    6. if you protest, you will be made to feel guilty - the no good one
    7. you will feel more and more constrained, not understanding why
    8. you will start having to go either against your own values, not realising it at first, against yourself
    9. you will start working on "why am i so inept" doubting yourself
    10. you will have a value and inner crisis - thinking you are faulty somehow
    11. if strong enough, you will get away, depressed, damaged. If too weak, you will slowly become nothing.

    A psychopath will vampirise you - they are cunning but emply inside. You will end up being empty too, drained from your energy or dead, if you do not escape.

    That is how you recognize a psychopath. With time and a few experience, you get this itchy feeling right from the start. Listen to it, it is your survival talking to you. Then observe, the process will be faster because the psychopath will try harder, then he will probably go get a less difficult prey. But if you are a good challenge, or if there is someting interesting around he wants, he may enjoy it and stay. Then you have to leave.

    At first sight, most people will believe a phychopath before they believe someone with huge empathy (their opposite).

    This is my own experience, not from books.
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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    The first 3 minutes of this video is exactly what a psychopath is about, thirst for power. And there is no end to it.

    Here you have a killer, but the corporate psychopath is exactly the same except the its urge for power is fullfilled economically of psychologically. It thrills them, thrill having replaced emotions in human beings. Corporate killers won't kill individual, but will kill anything human in others. But it is the same inside them, that they be serial killers or not.

    Notice the sampacu in both eyes (sampacu=the white space below the iris, for most people it is not there, the iris covers up to the eyelid. This Sampacu show high emotional and thinking problems, but you won't see it in all psychopaths, but it is a sign of something wrong. You may however see it in war victims too. So one has to corroborate with something else to make sure it is nefarious, however for me it is an element telling me: check something is wrong).

    Last edited by Flash; 10th January 2018 at 16:01.
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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    any one who has at least experienced a close/intimate relationship as I have with a 'psychopath-light' (relationship was short- 5 yrs.- but I fell for the false charm and rhetoric- stupid me) one can spot them a mile away; they always tell you with much charm how 'great' they are (story after story) but at times they will open a window, when they slightly slip, where they explain a few of their past incredibly unruly events under the guise of humor, as if we're later to believe it was a laughing mater;

    I came to the conclusion long ago in my life the people who overbearingly want to immediately become your friend will NOT be your friend at the end of the day and those who exert the most reserve upon meeting one (they're cautious) will mostly, later become (if they come to like one) your friend;

    there are some exceptions to this rule, but I guess one must always use caution (I learned that too late in my past)-

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    Above all else, whether admitted or not, is their perceived superiority over their prey. They believe everyone/ everything is their prey-ground.
    Knock Knock

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    Psychopaths are self serving people it is as simple as that. It is a survival instinct that we all have, but unlike psychopaths most people have emotions that keep our selfishness in check, such as guilt, empathy, compassion and so on. They learn very quickly how to manipulate people to get what they want, and like all people what they want varies with the person.

    Psychopaths are really emotionally handicapped people, at least that is how I think of them, and their handicap can make them very dangerous to society.

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    I've got a bit of history regarding psychopaths in regards to being told the father of my child was a psychopath and not believing it. To this day I still don't think he is one, but I did lose custody of my child because I did not condemn my boyfriend immediately.
    I had a mass of people try to convince me he was a psychopath, and they would say things to me like "We don't have any proof, but WE THINK HE DID IT" in regards to a past accusation.
    It was pretty harsh, and I wonder sometimes if the whole situation has made me more "sociopathic". I certainly don't feel like a "bad guy" but I sure as heck can feel myself getting more and more ticked off about society!!
    As for "detecting bad guys", I've just never been very good at that. I consider myself pretty tolerant, and I look at it like "Other people's guilt of lack thereof is none of my business"
    As I read through these red flags I keep getting twinges of "Gee, that sounds an awful lot like me...." and I have to be really careful. I don't want to turn into one of those things.

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Here you have a killer, but the corporate psychopath is exactly the same except the its urge for power is fullfilled economically of psychologically. It thrills them, thrill having replaced emotions in human beings. Corporate killers won't kill individual, but will kill anything human in others. But it is the same inside them, that they be serial killers or not.
    In regards to corporate psychopath, ref this one too http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...at-the-office/

    I found Eve Lorgen's article extremely helpful in regards to dealing with workplace issues. The article is related to reptilians, but in my mind this has become essentially the same meaning.

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    Suddenly an agent smith of matrix activates inside them, giving them words to say that will invalidate you that will emotionally downgrade you.

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    From the back cover blurb written by a psychopath, titled "Confessions of a Sociopath: A Life Spent Hiding In Plain Sight" ...

    "M. E. Thomas is a high-functioning non-criminal sociopath. She is charismatic, ambitious and successful. You would be charmed by her if you met her, might even be seduced by her. You would not realise that she is studying you to find your flaws, that she is ruthlessly manipulative, has no empathy and does not feel guilt or remorse. But she does like people - she likes to touch them, mould them and ruin them. She could be your friend or your boss. She could be you . . .

    Now she writes with breathtaking honesty about her life. She also draws on the latest research to explain why at least one in twenty-five of us are sociopaths - and shows why that's not a bad thing. By turns fascinating, shocking and funny, Confessions of a Sociopath is a gripping insight into the mind of a self-confessed predator."

    During one of her interviews as she was touring the book she related an especially chilling anecdote where she told of once having chanced upon a crowded city sidewalk where a group of people had gathered around a woman kneeling over the body of a child. The child had been hit by a car, and the woman was his mother, anxiously guarding her son until help arrived. Thomas was fascinated, not by the drama of the scene, but by the face of the mother. She thought to herself,

    "This is how the face of a woman looks who is grief stricken and worried out of her mind. I must study this so that I can add it to my repertoire of facial reactions".

    And she did exactly that, going directly home and practicing in a mirror until she could mimic the mother's expression. Sociopaths spend their lives trying to "pass" as normal, so that they can better survive, thrive, manipulate and toy with the norms, who they consider to be inferior to them.

    A recent survey of corporate leaders found an abnormally high percentage of them to be sociopaths.

    Beware!

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    Quote Posted by kanishk (here)
    Suddenly an agent smith of matrix activates inside them, giving them words to say that will invalidate you that will emotionally downgrade you.
    It's my understanding that "Agent Smith" is always present, always reading you and the situation, looking for a way to take advantage.

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    New Research Shows Another Key Feature to Identify a Psychopath
    Kenna Castleberry·May 5, 2022

    https://thedebrief.org/new-research-..._sq=h1xsvj8d7x

    The science of psychopathy is one that fascinates a large swath of the public, mainly due to the high frequency of psychopaths that appear in true crime. Whether they’re serial killers or cult leaders, psychopaths tend to make headlines and get somewhat glamorized by the media.

    Because of our fascination with psychopaths, many individuals try to see if they know anyone who might fit these traits, although identifying these individuals can be a complicated process. However, a new study from the University of New Mexico has shed more light on key features that identify a psychopath, revealing more about what makes these individuals tick.

    Background: A Population of Psychopaths

    There are a higher number of psychopaths in the U.S. population than people might expect. According to one study, psychopaths can make up as much as 4.5% of the population, or about 1 in every 22 people. While people may assume psychopaths will commit criminal actions, most live fairly normal lives. In fact, many become successful leaders, as up to 12% of the CEOs within the U.S. could be psychopaths. This shouldn’t be that surprising, as psychopaths are characterized by their lack of emotion and moral character, some of the skills individuals leverage to succeed in the cutthroat corporate world. Psychopaths have also been shown to be common in other positions of power, such as being a doctor or a surgeon. This may be due to psychopaths being drawn to these powerful positions, as it gives them more control of their environment.

    What’s interesting to most individuals is how someone becomes a psychopath. The study of psychopathy has been around for decades. In the 1970s, Canadian psychologist Robert Hare developed a checklist to help diagnose psychopathy. Called the Hare Checklist, this series of questions helps determine if someone is expressing traits of psychopathy. Anyone can take this test and rate themselves on different personality traits, from a large ego to impulsivity. Identifying a psychopath can be much more difficult without a checklist, but thanks to researchers at the University of New Mexico, the process may have gotten a bit easier.

    Analysis: Head and Eye Movement

    Using AI analysis, the researcher examined the head movements of 507 prison inmates while they were speaking. The researchers also used the Hare Checklist to determine which of the inmates could be psychopaths. In combining the checklist with the analysis, the scientists found that the psychopaths in the group barely moved their heads while talking compared to other subjects. This lack of head movement makes sense when juxtaposing it with other physical traits of these individuals. Psychopaths tend to hold eye contact for longer periods as well as blink less, resulting in a “predator stare.” The combination of these three factors may make a person seem more unemotional, possibly reflecting their internal state.

    Outlook: The Psychopaths Among Us

    Because head movements convey important body language, having no head movements can make it harder for a person to be read by someone else. This in turn may make it harder to connect with a psychopathic individual. While there are no standard guidelines to identify these individuals, science is still working to unlock more secrets about psychopathy, helping us to better understand why these individuals are the way they are.

    https://thedebrief.org/new-research-..._sq=h1xsvj8d7x

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    Default Re: How to know when you are talking to a psychopath

    my Psycho therapist fiend told me something yesterday I didnt know yet:

    'all psychopaths are also narcissists'

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    Hi meat suit.
    Your psychotherapist is quite right: all psychopaths are (pathological) narcissists.
    In a way, they are the same thing, ONLY with a difference in "gradation".
    If a PN (pathological narcissist) would score, say 5/10 (on the "narcissism scale), a psychopath would get an 8/10 or higher. In this way, not every PN is a psychopath (in my experience).

    Both are very bad news, for any and every empath.

    An interesting perspective is how all this relates to what is called the NPA Personality.
    If there is no thread on this subject, I will start one. It's relevant I think.
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    Psychopathy, Personality Disorders, Brain Scans, and the Nature-Nurture Debate--Dr. James Fallon
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    "Dr. James Fallon is professor of psychiatry and human behavior and emeritus professor of anatomy and neurobiology at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine. His research interests include adult stem cells, chemical neuroanatomy and circuitry, higher brain functions, and brain imaging. He is the author of The Psychopath Inside: A Neuroscientist's Personal Journey into the Dark Side of the Brain.

    In this episode, we talk about psychopathy. We get into what it is, how it is diagnosed, its genetics and neuroscience, and environmental factors. We talk about the nature-nurture debate, and if it is possible to change a psychopath. We discuss if it is possible to predict behavior from brain scans, and if behavior is determined. Finally, we talk about the evolution of psychopathy.

    Time Links:
    00:00 Intro
    00:52 What is psychopathy?
    07:27 The classification of psychiatric disorders
    15:22 The genetics and neuroscience of psychopathy
    30:39 Environmental factors, and the nature-nurture debate
    35:31 Is it possible to change a psychopath?
    43:12 Is it possible to predict behavior from brain scans? Is behavior determined?
    49:48 The evolution of psychopathy. Is it adaptive?
    54:51 Follow Dr. Fallon’s work!

    ( There is no cure for psychopaths (at least as yet) according to most modern psychiatrists, but at least they are learning how to identify the traits, and that's a big step.
    This has seemed to me to be a very important issue, first brought to my attention when my late mentor the visionary Dr. Christopher Hills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills )
    ...theorized that human society will not be able to evolve significantly until we are able to identify and prevent psychopaths from rising to power and causing the terrible damage as we have seen throughout history.
    It seems quite apparent today that the world is being ruled by psychopaths (with narcissists and sociopaths probably running in a close second), and there is likely going to be a mighty struggle, which is in the beginning stages now, between those elites in power and those who want a better future.
    (Not to mention the other beings who apparently have vested interests in the struggle for control of this planet).

    Dr. Fallon begins by discussing a broader range of subjects at first, including narcissists and sociopaths, but eventually the discussion narrows down more to pschopaths specifically.
    He points to the way in which psychopaths may be viewed as having been useful to society in some respects as well as destructive, but my hope is that the planet is evolving now to the next stage where such usefulness will no longer be necessary.

    What seems most encouraging to me is that resarchers are making progress in identifying how pathological tendencies develop by studying brain scans as well as behavior and genetics..

    How wonderful if someday there will be techniques that can ensure our leaders will be the most spiritually evolved of individuals rather than the most egotistic, opportunistic, power hungry and greedy. )

    Also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1506278
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    It occurs to me that there is a major difference between our broad category of Psychopath and those florid individuals who develop extreme pathological tendencies to murder/mutilate and general F^ck up other people who might offend them, or thwart them in some way. I have encountered plenty of the 'Corporate Psychopath' type in my work as an IT consultant and operative, plenty of CEO's and senior managers have been distinctively 'cold fish' who push others aside and hold their competitors down from promotion e.t.c - there was one notable case of this here in Perth, where the CEO of the state justice department had seen to it that one of his colleagues never gained a promotion, this was exposed and the 'psycho CEO' was sacked, he is a typical example, and I met him back in the late 1990's, a 'dandy' who liked expensive clothing, exclusive items and who was held in almost Awe by his underlings.
    I have been watching the recent series of 'Hannibal' (actually put out in 2013) and the more classic psychopath types are described there, it is very good, if a little far fetched! We speak with psychopaths each day and might not realize it.
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