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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

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    Hi Bill - no questions I have made my statement
    Okay.

    I was a little surprised you had no questions, as you're a documentarian collecting good information on record as best you can. But do please ask any that may come to you, at any time.

    If anyone else has any questions, as I wrote a couple of days ago, I'll be delighted to answer them, clarifying anything which may have been misunderstood.

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    @Anyone reading this: address any and all questions (about this particular topic) to me, and I'll answer them right here on record. If anyone imagines I'd be dumb enough in any public arena to try to present an untruth where it can quickly be scrutinized and exposed by an army of watching sleuths, they may not understand how the internet works.

    So, do ask. That includes Geoff — and anyone else.

    Not derailing the thread. Never my intention. But because I've been dragged into this nasty swamp which I have nothing to do with, I'd quite like to hose myself clean of all the toxicity.
    Bill, I love your level head, I think you have the patience and humor of a saint here... I just wanted to reach out and hug you after I saw this post... I have never seen someone attack someone else so badly for having made a MISTAKE in how they presented something and for having their own opinion on it. (Something which I believe she has since fixed by the way).. But they're going at her as if they are adding her as an acceessory to murder, and they're feeding off of the rage in the field of everyone being so tired of the lies and half truths in general and they decided to take it out on her.

    And rather than stop, look around, and assess, her first move was to get offended and protective, which made things worse. I HOPE that Kerry makes it through this, but I am so ashamed of the rest of the scene too.

    I understand the frustrations however. BUT WOW this thread got HOT!

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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

    Hi everyone, I have been away for a while but back now. I have received so much new information in regards to The Mark Richards Story – I’m disgusted and upset at the new information and will be doing regular updates now. Kerry Cassidy you will be damaged from the information that I’m about to bring against your TOP WHISTLEBLOWER – GOING TO WAR NOW AGAINST CON ARTISTS IN THIS COMMUNITY OF OURS
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    To Kerry Cassidy, Simon Parkes, Miles Johnston, Captain Mark Richards and Jo Ann Richards

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    There's a summary of the latest Mark Richards interview on Camelot. A lot of the charges made on this forum are addressed. He explains that the story of his plan to take over Marin County was taken from a Sci-Fi book he had written, and that seemed pretty obvious to me when I read the newspaper article, that it was some kind of sci-fi story. Makes me wonder a little bit why his detractors did not point that out and instead let everyone believe the guy truly had this bizarre plan to take over Marin County. Anyway, here's the youtube:

    https://youtu.be/5l05luzFARg

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    I have asked Kevin Moore to remove my name from the documentary. I don't like the direction it has apparently taken. I don't condone or even like CW Chanter and strongly objected to him being on our documentary. He didn't even know anything about the case until two weeks ago. This is not some sort of ploy. I want nothing to do with the mudslinging, lies and online harassment Chanter has been engaged in to gain self notoriety. Kevin apparently now supports this behavior but I clearly do not. I don't want my name associated with any of it anymore.

    Myself and my family have been through enough these past months and this documentary and what is now happening is not in my best interests at all. I have become a somewhat humbled and changed person after that horrible Paradise fire. It has had a very profound effect on my life and the lives of my two very young daughters.

    What started out as a classy documentary based on documented actual facts, interviews with actual witnesses and excellent footage of where these events happened has turned into an ugly mudslinging match I no longer want any part of.

    I was supposed to meet up with Kevin this Sunday to finish filming some new rather startling interviews. Sunday came and went and no contact with Kevin. Crossian Hoover (Richards's crime partner and co-defendant) has been diagnosed with liver cancer and will likely die in prison very soon. I feel bad for the guy because he never stood a chance once he hooked up with Mark Richards. My main reason for leaving the documentary is based solely on CW Chanter being on it and the mudslinging it has turned in to. I realize now it was never my documentary even though I had been trying to get this made for 5 years and Kevin kept saying it was my documentary. I even sent Kevin a lot of money to help out. I am now regretting everything.

    I am going to start uploading recorded phone calls Kevin made with witnesses and other people associated with the case on one of 3 You Tube channels I have. Basically they are phone calls Kevin recorded without the other person's knowledge but they do explain a lot about the case and the life of Mark Richards and who he really is. I have not decided which you tube channel yet. Once I upload them I will post them here if anyone is interested in Mark Richards's actual life as a career criminal and his deeply disturbing personal life. I have literally over a thousand hours of very hard work invested in this project and at this point I feel not only lied to but conned by Kevin Moore. I am not about to let CW Chanter AKA: [blipped!] take credit for all of my hard work by grandstanding using information he was updated on only two weeks ago by Kevin Moore before he interviewed him. I have been deeply betrayed and at this point I just want all of this behind me. I thank all of you for your understanding sincerely Geoff Reed.
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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    There's a summary of the latest Mark Richards interview on Camelot. A lot of the charges made on this forum are addressed. He explains that the story of his plan to take over Marin County was taken from a Sci-Fi book he had written, and that seemed pretty obvious to me when I read the newspaper article, that it was some kind of sci-fi story. Makes me wonder a little bit why his detractors did not point that out and instead let everyone believe the guy truly had this bizarre plan to take over Marin County. Anyway, here's the youtube:

    https://youtu.be/5l05luzFARg
    TomKat, every criminal is told by his lawyer to tell that whatever they have written about their deeds is either science fiction or for a novel, therefore fiction. So that it is discounted in court. We have the right to write fiction you see.

    Even in divorce court when you find someone's diary they are told to say it is fiction.

    Do not believe anything a harden criminal says, ever. They are extremely good at turning stories to their own advantage. And be believed. To test if a criminal is telling the truth, you have to find hard facts that confirm it, outside of the criminal 's reach. Sayings are far from enough.

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    Geoff, sorry for what is happening to you. Yes, what you lived through is a life changing event. Make sure to take care of yourself and your daughters with PTSD therapies that could surely help, in order not to carry the trauma the rest of your lives. If you can of course, bare survival being the first priority.
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    I am not about to let CW Chanter AKA: [blipped!] take credit for all of my hard work by grandstanding using information he was updated on only two weeks ago by Kevin Moore before he interviewed him. I have been deeply betrayed and at this point I just want all of this behind me. I thank all of you for your understanding sincerely Geoff Reed.
    Thanks Herve but If you bother to ever look Chanter already uploaded a video doxxing himself. Ask Joe from the Carolinas?

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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

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    Quote Posted by geofffxdwg (here)
    I am not about to let CW Chanter AKA: [blipped!] take credit for all of my hard work by grandstanding using information he was updated on only two weeks ago by Kevin Moore before he interviewed him. I have been deeply betrayed and at this point I just want all of this behind me. I thank all of you for your understanding sincerely Geoff Reed.
    Thanks Herve but If you bother to ever look Chanter already uploaded a video doxxing himself. Ask Joe from the Carolinas?
    I support and thank Hervé for removing CW Chanter’s personal information. Kevin only posted CW Chanter’s YouTube name in his video @ 2:42. We should respect Chanter’s wishes.

    Why get sidetracked into trivial matters? There's only so much time and energy you want to give to it all; it's healthy to establish boundaries, i.e. pick your battles. This one is nothing in comparison to the greater themes.
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    Geoff, many thanks for making your important public statement. It shows your integrity.

    As we all know, despite the mountain of evidence now collected, Kevin Moore's increasingly extreme and unbalanced stance about this entire fiasco reveals many problems that have become more and more obvious to all onlookers. I do think you were wise to now distance yourself from the project. Kudos.

    What the final product will be like if and when eventually released, who knows: but it may be interesting to see. Maybe we can all take a step back from this now and just let the drama continue to play out, which has so clearly almost totally consumed all of Kevin's time, attention, emotion and judgment.

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    Hi Geoff, Last week many of us Avalonians were in Laughlin, Neveda and for a convention which followed the UFO MEGA CON event where Joann Richards was a speaker. Some of us were present for her talk. While the audience was polite, there was time for a few questions at the end and none of those asking questions seemed impressed by her story a one was quite demanding of proof and evidence. The evening before, there was a very well attended talk by Daniel Sheehan in which he talked about how the truth was of the utmost importance in ufology, and called out the names of several individuals as liars (Corey Goode, Emery Smith, etc.) to which there was loud applause. He didn't mention anyone who was actually speaking at the conference, but I think there were a few names such as Joann Richards whom he might have been placed in that list at another event where she was not present. I think those thoughts about demanding the truth and evidence were with the audience the following morning when she spoke. And I think they are also just out there in the ufology world as we are all witnessing the meltdown of Corey Goode and his unverifiable stories as we uncover the ugliness of the cult activity which has supported him. I think the general climate of ufology is changing right now so that it is more open to the story you are telling and less open to the one of Mark and Joann Richards.

    When I heard that Kevin Moore was making a documentary, I was initially very happy to hear that someone was trying to tell "the other side of the story." But when Moore started to attack Bill Ryan for not granting an interview, when Bill professed to having no expertise on this topic, I assumed KM was more interested in personal character attacks than in information, evidence and witness testimony. I hope I am wrong about this and perhaps the final documentary will be of a better quality than Kevin Moore's crass behavior would indicate.

    What ever the final result, I think most of us who have read this thread will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff when we see the film. We will be able to see what is evidence, sane and honest testimony, and the honest and hard work that goes into proving a case (years worth of it), and what is merely hype, hysteria, speculation and character assassination. Even if you regret the final product, I hope that your participation in telling this story is something that will be helpful to us in determining how the "Mark Richards story" ever got into ufology and whether it deserves to be taken seriously or not.

    I know there have been some pretty bumpy moments in this thread, and appreciate your hanging in there. Even if your story is the true one, it isn't necessarily the easiest story to sell, so kudos to you for hanging in there for so long and for your energy and courage to get this out.

    Hopefully, when the documentary gets out there, you will be back to give us your take on where it does and doesn't get the story right.

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    Hi Geoff, Last week many of us Avalonians were in Laughlin, Neveda and for a convention which followed the UFO MEGA CON event where Joann Richards was a speaker. Some of us were present for her talk. While the audience was polite, there was time for a few questions at the end and none of those asking questions seemed impressed by her story a one was quite demanding of proof and evidence. The evening before, there was a very well attended talk by Daniel Sheehan in which he talked about how the truth was of the utmost importance in ufology, and called out the names of several individuals as liars (Corey Goode, Emery Smith, etc.) to which there was loud applause. He didn't mention anyone who was actually speaking at the conference, but I think there were a few names such as Joann Richards whom he might have been placed in that list at another event where she was not present. I think those thoughts about demanding the truth and evidence were with the audience the following morning when she spoke. And I think they are also just out there in the ufology world as we are all witnessing the meltdown of Corey Goode and his unverifiable stories as we uncover the ugliness of the cult activity which has supported him. I think the general climate of ufology is changing right now so that it is more open to the story you are telling and less open to the one of Mark and Joann Richards.

    When I heard that Kevin Moore was making a documentary, I was initially very happy to hear that someone was trying to tell "the other side of the story." But when Moore started to attack Bill Ryan for not granting an interview, when Bill professed to having no expertise on this topic, I assumed KM was more interested in personal character attacks than in information, evidence and witness testimony. I hope I am wrong about this and perhaps the final documentary will be of a better quality than Kevin Moore's crass behavior would indicate.

    What ever the final result, I think most of us who have read this thread will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff when we see the film. We will be able to see what is evidence, sane and honest testimony, and the honest and hard work that goes into proving a case (years worth of it), and what is merely hype, hysteria, speculation and character assassination. Even if you regret the final product, I hope that your participation in telling this story is something that will be helpful to us in determining how the "Mark Richards story" ever got into ufology and whether it deserves to be taken seriously or not.

    I know there have been some pretty bumpy moments in this thread, and appreciate your hanging in there. Even if your story is the true one, it isn't necessarily the easiest story to sell, so kudos to you for hanging in there for so long and for your energy and courage to get this out.

    Hopefully, when the documentary gets out there, you will be back to give us your take on where it does and doesn't get the story right.
    Thank you Kryztian, my reason for leaving is I have watched Kevin change once he got plugged into CW Chanter AKA: [Blipped] All of our hard work has now become the CW Chanter show. I don't condone the way Chanter gets validation and I have watched him time and time again using the same tactics.

    First he bad mouths people often lying about them in the sad hope they will respond. Once they respond he gets his validation and then does 5 or 6 three hour shows on how he is now friends with them and they have worked out their differences of opinion.

    Chanter does not have a difference of opinion. He blatantly engages in online harassment to get the attention of his targets. Furthermore it is mine and Kevin's hard work and research he is exploiting to get more validation. I will not stand by and watch Chanter take credit for work he has not done and put his online harassment spin on it. Chanter is a Howard Stern wannabe.

    I have watched Chanter throw all of his friends under the bus at one time or another. He wants to be a Kerry Cassidy or a Kevin Moore etc. He goes about it all in the wrong way. I don't care much for people that bad mouth other people in a sad attempt to make themselves look good. Especially when they do it behind your back.

    I will not be uploading any phone calls. I have been invited to discuss the documentary on a well known radio show very soon. I will be discussing my reason for leaving the documentary and I will also divulge all of our new information and upcoming interviews. Effectively I will be taking the wind out of Chanter's sails before he even has the chance to exploit it for his own personal notoriety. As I have stated before, Chanter knew absolutely nothing about the facts in this case until Kevin Moore briefed him right before he interviewed him two weeks ago. Chanter is using that opportunity to project the illusion he is some sort of expert or pundit in the Mark Richards case. I noticed in his last smash job analysis of Kerry's Mark Richards #10 video he mentioned there is some question as to whether or not Jo Ann Richards is even married to Mark. This is information Kevin briefed him on before he interviewed Chanter.

    It seems Jo Ann and Mark are not married. Jo Ann is still legally married to her third husband whom apparently is the Bishop of a Mormon church in the Auburn area north of Sacramento on highway 80 headed to Reno. We had originally planned to interview him but like I have been saying here, I am out. Jo Ann also moved Mark's mother out of her home in Marin county when she was her care giver. She moved her into a single wide trailer out in the delta in a farm town called Galt just south of Sacramento where she passed away. Its in the middle of nowhere and a horrible place to die when you have lived in your family home since 1950 in Marin county.

    Jo Ann gives the impression she is gullible and plays dumb. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jo Ann may be the smartest of all of them. She has remained silent through all of this. Her and another woman control Mark's estate. The house is run down because I have seen it. The property however is quite valuable. Jo Ann stands to become a very wealthy woman when Mark dies in prison. I have a lot to say about what I know and once I do the radio show I will post the link here for anyone that might be interested.
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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

    Glad to hear you are doing a radio show Geoff. I am looking forward to hearing that, and I am even looking forward to parts of Kevin Moore's documentary, certainly the parts where you are interviewed, where Mark Richard's first wife speaks, where other people related to the incident can tell their story. And I can also look forward to using the mute or volume control button and CW Chanter shows his face on the video.

    Even though we are over 500 posts on this thread, I think there is a lot more we need to know about this. Just what you mentioned above about Jo Ann's marriage situation could be quite revealing although it would be nice to see it documented. I also hope someone does get to interview her previous (or possibly current) husband.

    There are so many incredible stories popping up out in the world of ufology that are hard to either verify or disprove. Some of the them are quite possibly true, and some are quite possibly total B.S. and it is important to get to them bottom of everyone: the lies do a great disservice to the stories that are true, and to the people who have labored and suffered to get the truth out there. The Mark Richard's story seems to have captured the imagination of some people and as far as I know neither Kerry Cassidy or Jo Ann Richards has done really any work to explain where the justice system got the guilty verdict wrong. We need to hear a little more than just "oops he was on Mars" and then give our trust to KC and JR. Hopefully, Moore's video and your radio interview will rebut their story, and force KC and JR to either give a lengthy explanation of what they claim happened or to abandon the "Mark Richards was framed" story.

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    Default Re: Problems with Mark Richards' SSP testimony to Kerry Cassidy

    Hello, All:

    Five days ago, Jo Ann Richards (Mark Richards' wife) submitted a very courteous and well-written membership application to the forum.

    The moderators discussed this with great care and detail for really quite a long time. We eventually reached a consensus, which is that we declined it. But I personally wrote an e-mail to Jo Ann explaining the reasons — which were, to summarize it crudely, that to invite her to post freely on this thread might precipitate quite a bloodbath.

    But we all agreed that we should emphasize to her that we weren't censoring her here. That wouldn't be at all right to do. So while we declined her membership, we did openly offer that we'd post any statement here on her behalf that she might ask us to do.

    To her credit, she appreciated and understood our response. Below are two statements that she's asked us to make. The first is very slightly edited, and the second is copied verbatim. It seems that there'll be a little more later.

    Of course, she'll be reading this thread as a guest, so you can address any replies directly to her if you wish.

    ***
    Thanks so much, Bill, for the very respectful reply and explanation for the decline. After I applied, I realized it probably wasn't the best way to go and it would turn ugly. Thanks for watching out for what's best for all.

    I appreciate that you aren't censors and I appreciate that your members have the right to their opinions.

    Thanks for your offer to allow me to send something. What I will do is send the first two parts of an essay that Mark wrote about cyber-bullying and how the govt. uses these types of tactics (character assassination and unreliable witness testimony) to take down people seen as threats. I will also provide a slide from my recent presentation that shows Mark's Navy involvement in Vietnam while he was still in high school. I have another military doc that shows his assignment to the Aurora Project. I just need to find it.

    Thanks again,

    Jo Ann
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    Here is a slide showing Mark's Navy involvement in Vietnam in 1969. You are welcome to post it.

    I would like you to ask Geoff about his info about my 3rd husband. What is his name? I can assure everyone that I am legally married to Mark - I have the Monterey County marriage certificate to prove it.

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    Hello Jo Ann Richards,

    I just want to thank you for coming to the forum and providing us with some information about Mark Richards and to encourage you to continue to do so. We are always interested in examining information and evidence, and pursuing the path towards the truth, where ever it may lead us. There is no clear consensus in the ufology community about the Mark Richards story and more evidence like the material you just provided can be helpful in getting us to that place. Here are a few things that I think could be helpful in the evaluation of the story:
    • a timeline of events in Mark Richard's life, focusing from the time of the photo above (1969) up to 1982, and especially the events of July 1982.
    • any other diplomas, transcripts, records of military service, and other records that show time, location, activity, education, employment, etc.
    • photographs, especially ones with known or identifiable people, or that can show activities he was involved in.
    • any comments about evidence or testimony in the trial that he felt was true or not; explanations of how events were misinterpreted or how evidence could have been misconstrued, misrepresented, forged, etc.
    • any comments about events or claimed facts described in this thread and on how they can be confirmed or invalidated.

    Perhaps other members might want to add constructive suggestions to this list.

    Considering that you are not a member, I am not sure how this info could be relayed so that it could be posted here. Alternatively, you might want to place information on a blog or social media page where it would be publicly available.

    If you can help us in our investigation we appreciate any and all of your efforts to help the ufology community get a clearer understanding of past events.

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    Hello Jo Ann,

    This is totally off topic- was Mark into fencing? It appears that he has doffed a fencing costume? BTW- after listening to all of Kerry’s verbal transcripts? So very sad to see Mark in his beautiful glorious youth before this world was corrupted. I have no strong opinion on the subject matter, but can’t help but wonder how this world takes a beautiful young man and creates a villain?

    Very sorry for all of your suffering.

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    More from Jo Ann Richards, received today:

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    Hi Bill,
    I was happy to see a bit of positive response. I've come up with a solution on how people can contact me or see our answers.

    I have added pages to my Dragonhillnews blog site: https://dragonhillnews.wordpress.com. I have a page on "Mark Richards and the Secret Space Program" with his bio/timeline. There's a page called "Attack on Mark Richards" to address the current drama. There are also several of Mark's poems on the Home page.

    Thanks in advance for posting this info to the Forum. Have a great weekend.
    Jo Ann

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    This is a direct reply to Jo Ann,

    Sorry about my last comment it seems you are actually married but that is not my point at all here. You and I are not far apart in age. Probably only 4 or 5 years. You attended Acalanes high school while I attended Alhambra high school. So our high schools were only a few miles apart as well and the towns we lived in right next to each other.

    This was always my project. I had been trying to get this project made for more than 5 years. I assure you I have nothing whatsoever to do with any New World Order as you already know. Kevin Moore was the only person that would help me get this project made. Its my project and always has been.

    Your husband is a career criminal as you well know and this whole SSP he claims to be a part of is all BS as both you and career criminal inmate Mark Richards well know. You can continue to make baseless outlandish accusations that some New World Order or intelligence organization is behind this when the actual truth and facts are that it has always been me. I am just an ordinary white collar working class person that used my own money to help fund this because I feel its very important for people to start using their critical thinking skills once again and not let a true psychopath like your husband influence them at all. People no longer use discernment, not just in this case but many others as well. ie Corey Goode.

    You and I both know this entire story is BS and your evidence posted here is not evidence at all. I know more about your husband and his life in the 1970s than you do. I'm sure you are a nice lady and I have nothing personal against you. I want to save you from a potentially very embarrassing public situation. You really need to stop this charade now. The information coming out very soon is valid and can be substantiated.

    This charade is going to end with or without you. Mark also knows whats coming. I feel its honorable to just let you know now because I truly don't want to see you publicly humiliated. That was never my intention.

    This is a documentary about Mark Richards and his life in the 1970s and 1980s. It is not a documentary about you, Kerry Cassidy or Project Camelot. Please think about what I am saying here.

    Sincerely Geoff Reed

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    Hay Bill this is the increasingly extreme and unbalanced Kevin Moore - Love you Bill

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    Hi Geoff, Last week many of us Avalonians were in Laughlin, Neveda and for a convention which followed the UFO MEGA CON event where Joann Richards was a speaker. Some of us were present for her talk. While the audience was polite, there was time for a few questions at the end and none of those asking questions seemed impressed by her story a one was quite demanding of proof and evidence. The evening before, there was a very well attended talk by Daniel Sheehan in which he talked about how the truth was of the utmost importance in ufology, and called out the names of several individuals as liars (Corey Goode, Emery Smith, etc.) to which there was loud applause. He didn't mention anyone who was actually speaking at the conference, but I think there were a few names such as Joann Richards whom he might have been placed in that list at another event where she was not present. I think those thoughts about demanding the truth and evidence were with the audience the following morning when she spoke. And I think they are also just out there in the ufology world as we are all witnessing the meltdown of Corey Goode and his unverifiable stories as we uncover the ugliness of the cult activity which has supported him. I think the general climate of ufology is changing right now so that it is more open to the story you are telling and less open to the one of Mark and Joann Richards.

    When I heard that Kevin Moore was making a documentary, I was initially very happy to hear that someone was trying to tell "the other side of the story." But when Moore started to attack Bill Ryan for not granting an interview, when Bill professed to having no expertise on this topic, I assumed KM was more interested in personal character attacks than in information, evidence and witness testimony. I hope I am wrong about this and perhaps the final documentary will be of a better quality than Kevin Moore's crass behavior would indicate.

    What ever the final result, I think most of us who have read this thread will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff when we see the film. We will be able to see what is evidence, sane and honest testimony, and the honest and hard work that goes into proving a case (years worth of it), and what is merely hype, hysteria, speculation and character assassination. Even if you regret the final product, I hope that your participation in telling this story is something that will be helpful to us in determining how the "Mark Richards story" ever got into ufology and whether it deserves to be taken seriously or not.

    I know there have been some pretty bumpy moments in this thread, and appreciate your hanging in there. Even if your story is the true one, it isn't necessarily the easiest story to sell, so kudos to you for hanging in there for so long and for your energy and courage to get this out.

    Hopefully, when the documentary gets out there, you will be back to give us your take on where it does and doesn't get the story right.
    Thank you Kryztian, my reason for leaving is I have watched Kevin change once he got plugged into CW Chanter AKA: [Blipped] All of our hard work has now become the CW Chanter show. I don't condone the way Chanter gets validation and I have watched him time and time again using the same tactics.

    First he bad mouths people often lying about them in the sad hope they will respond. Once they respond he gets his validation and then does 5 or 6 three hour shows on how he is now friends with them and they have worked out their differences of opinion.

    Chanter does not have a difference of opinion. He blatantly engages in online harassment to get the attention of his targets. Furthermore it is mine and Kevin's hard work and research he is exploiting to get more validation. I will not stand by and watch Chanter take credit for work he has not done and put his online harassment spin on it. Chanter is a Howard Stern wannabe.

    I have watched Chanter throw all of his friends under the bus at one time or another. He wants to be a Kerry Cassidy or a Kevin Moore etc. He goes about it all in the wrong way. I don't care much for people that bad mouth other people in a sad attempt to make themselves look good. Especially when they do it behind your back.

    I will not be uploading any phone calls. I have been invited to discuss the documentary on a well known radio show very soon. I will be discussing my reason for leaving the documentary and I will also divulge all of our new information and upcoming interviews. Effectively I will be taking the wind out of Chanter's sails before he even has the chance to exploit it for his own personal notoriety. As I have stated before, Chanter knew absolutely nothing about the facts in this case until Kevin Moore briefed him right before he interviewed him two weeks ago. Chanter is using that opportunity to project the illusion he is some sort of expert or pundit in the Mark Richards case. I noticed in his last smash job analysis of Kerry's Mark Richards #10 video he mentioned there is some question as to whether or not Jo Ann Richards is even married to Mark. This is information Kevin briefed him on before he interviewed Chanter.

    It seems Jo Ann and Mark are not married. Jo Ann is still legally married to her third husband whom apparently is the Bishop of a Mormon church in the Auburn area north of Sacramento on highway 80 headed to Reno. We had originally planned to interview him but like I have been saying here, I am out. Jo Ann also moved Mark's mother out of her home in Marin county when she was her care giver. She moved her into a single wide trailer out in the delta in a farm town called Galt just south of Sacramento where she passed away. Its in the middle of nowhere and a horrible place to die when you have lived in your family home since 1950 in Marin county.

    Jo Ann gives the impression she is gullible and plays dumb. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jo Ann may be the smartest of all of them. She has remained silent through all of this. Her and another woman control Mark's estate. The house is run down because I have seen it. The property however is quite valuable. Jo Ann stands to become a very wealthy woman when Mark dies in prison. I have a lot to say about what I know and once I do the radio show I will post the link here for anyone that might be interested.
    I do realize that being so deeply involved in something as much as you were. And having many others begin to get involved. Some perhaps for all the wrong reasons, could absolutely begin to raise passion levels to a fever pitch. Some wanted to protect the integrity of the information for all the right reasons, some wanting to ride the coat tails of something BIG, etc.. It has all the cast of characters of MANY different dramas all rolled into one. Many times emotions get out of control when things like this happen, you know things behind the scenes, you don't want to say them, etc.. I can't imagine all of the stress that this has put upon EVERYONE.

    I see pokes at mental health, friendships, suggestions, innuendos, and even the MEMBERS here began to pick at each other for having opinions on the matter. For ALL of us, this subject affected us in SOME way, whether it be credibility to the ufo/space field, for the victims family, for the profits being made, for truth in the truth movement, and many other reasons. Eventually everyone who was in it for the WRONG reasons will fall to the bottom when the material of value is sifted through.. and the gems are pulled out of the basket.

    I for one, think it was a great gesture on your part to clear the air about why YOU were so personally passionate about it, and why you were so upset. The truth shall set you free they say.. And I tend to always find that to be the case .. In many more than just one way. I think I speak for everyone when I say we hope that you stick around Geoff... It sounds like when this is all over, there will be a lot of people who will probably want to thank you for all of your hard work, and efforts in what you DID do, to make sure the truth got out.. No matter HOW it ends, you did it for the right reasons..

    Thank You for that, and you're much more lovely to talk to now that you have let that go.. And you're now doing this back on your own terms...

    By the way Geoff... I live just 20 minutes from Auburn, and I know the town REAL WELL, I lived there for well over 8 years.. and it is a very small town.. I go there all the time.... I fact I think I have to go there next week for something.

    Do you have a name for this guy? I may be able to find him.. And either confirm this or get proof that they divorced.. PM me if you would like me to check into this.

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    Thank you Kevin Moore and Geoff. (John Lear level of thanks!)
    Fact based evidence is all that matters to people like me. Your haircut and your taste in music/muzak is not important. Whether some like your 'style' is of no importance to me either.
    I am not looking to be entertained. I simply want to know. I don't mind disappointment as long as it is real. (insert Brian Jones era Rolling Stones song Paint it Black here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCUlPNlQuA )

    Your Vlog update shows how real research is done. I hope you are the next Richard D Hall.

    Please keep up the good work. It would be a shame if this doco doesn't get finished. So much time, effort and money goes in that we don't get to see. The things that go wrong, delays, difficult people etc... there will naturally be aggravation. It is good to see you laugh at the BS. You are winning. Truth is winning.

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