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    Water seek its own level!! Wish I had known about that earlier in my own life!

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    Good thread, strangely synchronous, as I was in the midst of starting a similar thread on political correctness (and prob still shall), as it's been on my mind lately.

    I'm well with you on this Chris, really good points, and many great comments in response. What to add? maybe a sort of devil's advocate observation...

    This was years ago, early 90s, when political correctness really kicked in. Women were starting to complain about...well, male endorsement, let's say. I, like many men, couldn't understand what the fuss was about. And then I experienced something for myself...

    It was around that time frame I took up an offer (caved into it really) and accompanied my best friend on a night on the town. Nothing unusual about that you might think, but truth is...me and him didn't quite move in the same social circles if you know what I mean. Normally, he would go with his 'friends' to his places, I would go with other friends to mine, and ne'er the twain shall meet. But this time, I took the plunge, and went with him.

    To gay bars and clubs.

    As a straight man, this was a strange experience. The fact my best mate is gay should tell you I am not homophobic. So that wasn't it. What I found strange was the sense of displacement, and 'otherness'. It was the looks I received, it was the stares I got, it was the comments, and brief over-friendly touches here and there I was subjected to. 'Who is this?' his social set said collectively. It appeared I was new 'meat' on the scene.

    This went on for quite a while. At first it was...interesting, to get all that attention (if only they were female, I thought!). Then I got uncomfortable, self-conscious. I felt anxious, exposed, like a fresh kill surrounded by slathering hyenas. My friend was no help at all, he thought it was a wonderful joke. I guessed he enjoyed seeing me squirm. Eventually I fessed up to one of them. 'Sorry mate, I like girls. I'm straight!' It was like uttering something blasphemous in a holy place. After that, I was completely ignored. More than that, shunned!

    (as an aside, that friend is still my best friend today).

    This was an experience rather than a lesson. I was brought up with traditional Christian values and good-manners were a big part of that. But it provided a valuable insight into what was going on here. What I experienced that night is, I imagine, something akin to what some women must feel when targeted and singled out as a sex object by men. Granted, it's slightly different. A straight women likes men, a straight man (me in other words) doesn't. So maybe it was worse in my case.

    But it still takes nothing away from a simple fact: Opening a door is one thing, that I have always done and shall continue to do unapologetically - particularly if it's a lady (it's just second nature to me). I would hope a woman would not find that offensive. If they do, I'm sorry - I don't think that's my fault!

    But leering and whistling at girls, or crude jokes and sexual innuendo, even if meant harmlessly, is quite different! No one asks to be treated like that, no matter how they look or what they're wearing.
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
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    your text is, to me it seems, a dreamed of text, not ever near the reality.

    Even in old times, men who where men, following your definition, were a very tiny tiny minority, mostly from the higher class, which had money and food.

    the staving masses or those who had to work hard never had the time and energy left to be that feminine or masculine. They were just surviving with quite primitive means.
    I appreciate the attempt to make this into an issue of class struggle, but I don't think masculinity and femininity are just things that people do in their spare time when they aren't working.

    They are states of being and working is one of the most masculine things men can do.

    Taking care of children is one of the most feminine things a woman can do.

    Instead of running away from our biological responsibilities as human beings (of two very distinct genders), it would be healthier and more constructive to find ways of embracing and enjoying them.

    Masculinity and femininity aren't some kind of class struggle, Flash. The 60's are over and Marxist philosophies like what you are saying have only served to further divide people. Nor was ancient history anything like a class struggle like you describe. No one even thought in those toxic terms until Marx came along.
    this is not an issue of class struggle, but in all centuries, only the rich women could stay home and not work like slaves. Nothing to do with class as such, because these rich women were not more free nor more respected when it came to their daily life with their husbands.

    This is a gender issue all along.

    Please don't pick single phrases or paragraph out of context to make a point.

    AND

    I have never been Marxist - how did you come to infer such stupidity.

    You are definitely mixing everything here. I told you few months ago, in another thread, that I would not answer to you anymore, because you constantly infer things and deform my writings.

    Here, I make a point for the rest of readers here, but will not pursue answering your obnoxious deductions.
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    Right. You're not trying to make gender into a class struggle, it's just about rich and poor. As if that is not exactly the same thing. And as if Marxists aren't always trying to make everything into class warfare between the rich and poor. If it walks like a duck....

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    Everyone is right in their own way as their posts relate to their experience.
    Ultimately an opinion is a thought.
    Thoughts come and go.
    ACIM states "If you hold an opinion realize you are identifying with an illusion."

    As im fond of saying, its all levels of awareness/consciousness.
    All is very real for the beholder but then life is duality--opposites--ups and downs --the seeming correct and incorrect.

    Shakespeare said "Nothing is right or wrong till thinking makes it so"
    Thats correct at one level.

    So no need to disagree.

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    The intention of the thread was to set up discussion on the suppression of femininity and masculinity..
    Suppression-- is perhaps too strong a word, eroding of tradition values perhaps a better expression.

    Is that a good thing or otherwise?
    A complex subject.

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    Im only human--smiling.

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    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    All by design thanks to the Rockefeller Foundation funding women's liberation.

    https://relampagofurioso.com/2016/02...ism-was-about/


    The Rockefellers, funded Women’s Lib. And we’re the ones who got it all over the newspapers and televisions — The Rockefeller Foundation. You want to know why?”

    There were two primary reasons. And one reason was:

    “We couldn’t tax half the population, before Women’s Lib. And the second reason was: Now we get the kids in school at an early age. We can indoctrinate the kids how to think. So that it breaks up the family. Your kids start looking at the State as the family. As the school, as the officials as their family, not as the parents teaching them.” And so, those are the two primary reasons for Women’s Lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. When I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from when they created it, the thought of it, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.
    They may not have exactly started a legitimate concern for women's rights or equality, but did they take over the movement and use it for these purposes, yes. Why were they already taxing the male half, income tax, one of their first major successes. They shouldn't be taxing either one. Don't give them any money, it only justifies poor behavior.

    Romance or knightly chivalry is not a Western or European culture. It comes straight from Islamic poetry. Other than this, marriages have always mostly been fixed, the marriage simply a form of property transfer from her father to the husband.

    Even in the 1900s there was not much eye to labor rights; in the states, we mostly owe it to a sixteen year old kid from the New York docks.

    Almost all of western history shows the squashing and suppression of human rights of almost every kind, mostly due to looking at human beings as a form of property, mostly originated from privileged males. Prior to industrialization, peasants worked only about half the time. They stopped during bad weather and the numerous religious or saints' days. Once you had factories, then even from around the 1600s you could put a woman to work 14-16 hours a day, make her buy her own candles to see, and dispose of her if she lost fingers to the machinery or something like that. Not much different from the four year old specialists in coal mines.

    Anyone who questioned this status quo was a brave pioneering soul, and it seems natural that once the questions came up, authorities have two responses: one for public relations, such as Britain stopping slavery. Secondly, for takeover: oh you want some rights, we'll build a nanny state for your complete dependence, and what you knew as individuals and families will be washed out. Now I suppose we could add multiple ways of eliminating gender all together, whether physically from the use of pesticides, or psychologically from the wealth of babble one may obtain.

    Men and women mostly are wired differently, but from the perspective of spirit, a human being is asexual.

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    We're all one step from GRACE .

    Am I one of many or am I many of one ? interesting .

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    Yes scanner thanks for this post
    The Rag & Bone Man can sing and some great songs--pointing the way I suspect.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    All by design thanks to the Rockefeller Foundation funding women's liberation.

    https://relampagofurioso.com/2016/02...ism-was-about/




    The Rockefellers, funded Women’s Lib. And we’re the ones who got it all over the newspapers and televisions — The Rockefeller Foundation. You want to know why?”

    There were two primary reasons. And one reason was:

    “We couldn’t tax half the population, before Women’s Lib. And the second reason was: Now we get the kids in school at an early age. We can indoctrinate the kids how to think. So that it breaks up the family. Your kids start looking at the State as the family. As the school, as the officials as their family, not as the parents teaching them.” And so, those are the two primary reasons for Women’s Lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. When I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from when they created it, the thought of it, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.
    They may not have exactly started a legitimate concern for women's rights or equality, but did they take over the movement and use it for these purposes, yes. Why were they already taxing the male half, income tax, one of their first major successes. They shouldn't be taxing either one. Don't give them any money, it only justifies poor behavior.

    Romance or knightly chivalry is not a Western or European culture. It comes straight from Islamic poetry. Other than this, marriages have always mostly been fixed, the marriage simply a form of property transfer from her father to the husband.

    Even in the 1900s there was not much eye to labor rights; in the states, we mostly owe it to a sixteen year old kid from the New York docks.

    Almost all of western history shows the squashing and suppression of human rights of almost every kind, mostly due to looking at human beings as a form of property, mostly originated from privileged males. Prior to industrialization, peasants worked only about half the time. They stopped during bad weather and the numerous religious or saints' days. Once you had factories, then even from around the 1600s you could put a woman to work 14-16 hours a day, make her buy her own candles to see, and dispose of her if she lost fingers to the machinery or something like that. Not much different from the four year old specialists in coal mines.

    Anyone who questioned this status quo was a brave pioneering soul, and it seems natural that once the questions came up, authorities have two responses: one for public relations, such as Britain stopping slavery. Secondly, for takeover: oh you want some rights, we'll build a nanny state for your complete dependence, and what you knew as individuals and families will be washed out. Now I suppose we could add multiple ways of eliminating gender all together, whether physically from the use of pesticides, or psychologically from the wealth of babble one may obtain.

    Men and women mostly are wired differently, but from the perspective of spirit, a human being is asexual.
    Exactly, your assessment Shabrron is very near reality -nothing to do with marxism for god sake!!

    Thinking that men-women relationships were much better in the past is often seen from a male point of view and more often yet from dreamland, not in touch with what truly was
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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by yelik (here)
    All by design thanks to the Rockefeller Foundation funding women's liberation.

    https://relampagofurioso.com/2016/02...ism-was-about/




    The Rockefellers, funded Women’s Lib. And we’re the ones who got it all over the newspapers and televisions — The Rockefeller Foundation. You want to know why?”

    There were two primary reasons. And one reason was:

    “We couldn’t tax half the population, before Women’s Lib. And the second reason was: Now we get the kids in school at an early age. We can indoctrinate the kids how to think. So that it breaks up the family. Your kids start looking at the State as the family. As the school, as the officials as their family, not as the parents teaching them.” And so, those are the two primary reasons for Women’s Lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. When I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from when they created it, the thought of it, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.
    They may not have exactly started a legitimate concern for women's rights or equality, but did they take over the movement and use it for these purposes, yes. Why were they already taxing the male half, income tax, one of their first major successes. They shouldn't be taxing either one. Don't give them any money, it only justifies poor behavior.

    Romance or knightly chivalry is not a Western or European culture. It comes straight from Islamic poetry. Other than this, marriages have always mostly been fixed, the marriage simply a form of property transfer from her father to the husband.

    Even in the 1900s there was not much eye to labor rights; in the states, we mostly owe it to a sixteen year old kid from the New York docks.

    Almost all of western history shows the squashing and suppression of human rights of almost every kind, mostly due to looking at human beings as a form of property, mostly originated from privileged males. Prior to industrialization, peasants worked only about half the time. They stopped during bad weather and the numerous religious or saints' days. Once you had factories, then even from around the 1600s you could put a woman to work 14-16 hours a day, make her buy her own candles to see, and dispose of her if she lost fingers to the machinery or something like that. Not much different from the four year old specialists in coal mines.

    Anyone who questioned this status quo was a brave pioneering soul, and it seems natural that once the questions came up, authorities have two responses: one for public relations, such as Britain stopping slavery. Secondly, for takeover: oh you want some rights, we'll build a nanny state for your complete dependence, and what you knew as individuals and families will be washed out. Now I suppose we could add multiple ways of eliminating gender all together, whether physically from the use of pesticides, or psychologically from the wealth of babble one may obtain.

    Men and women mostly are wired differently, but from the perspective of spirit, a human being is asexual.
    Exactly, your assessment Shabrron is very near reality -nothing to do with marxism for god sake!!

    Thinking that men-women relationships were much better in the past is often seen from a male point of view and more often yet from dreamland, not in touch with what truly was
    This one thousand times. Funny that many women dont start similar threads pining for the past like this. I wonder why that is. . . .

    side note:


    Shouldnt the title read something more like "When men were masculine and when women were feminine"?
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    I see what you are saying Praxis ( Shouldnt the title read something more like "When men were masculine and when women were feminine"? )

    However men are still masculine but not so sure of them selves as far as I can see.
    Its a question of knowing your role so to speak.
    Its just a question of definition.
    Also being a role model.

    So many families are now just a one parent situation--I cant see that this is beneficial.

    To be clear I never claim to be right or even to hold an opinion---its a may be so.
    Things change.
    My perception, awareness is based on non-duality teachings.

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    Greybeard, what policies or other influences do you think are responsible for the erosion of gender roles in your lifetime?

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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    Greybeard, what policies or other influences do you think are responsible for the erosion of gender roles in your lifetime?
    Basically materialism.
    We are fed a diet of advertising which implies you will be respected, loved, happy,special if you buy our product.

    Sex sells---look at the videos of girl singers--soft porn.
    Young girls want to be successful in this field and buy their clothes and wear them like the pop idols.
    Male singers much the same--you have to tick all the boxes to get a hit record.
    A disposable society.
    If you look at the likes of Roy Orbison --he just stood there and sung.
    Now the guys and females have to sing dance be a certain age--but will their career be short or long?

    Some of the young singers have really good voices--its just a pity that most dont last.

    The state will provide for a young single mother.
    So for some unhappy at home its a temptation to get pregnant and get a place of their own--man is surplus to requirements in some cases.
    Job done--where is the mutual respect, support and caring in that.

    I m probably talking about exceptions to the rule.
    There are many young people who look for a loving long term relationship and respect their partner.

    It is as it is.

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    Greybeard, you're up for some controversy here, you brave soul!

    There has been an erosion in male femal relationships as the sexes are losing some polarity. Unfortunately that doesn't mean that all differences between the sexes is culturally produced.

    But--- the culturally imposed desire to eradicate all differences between the sexes has produced a social environment where women are encouraged to feel that they should aspire to behave the same way as the most romantically lazy men. Thus, you have a hook up culture in young people that satisfies the demands of the culture by cheapening and coarsening sex. People become disposable to one another. This drives atomization which feeds addictions and materialism. That is perfect for the corporatocracy.

    Nothing is sacred, nor is sex particularly important. Even the animal kingdom has elaborate rituals around courtship and mating that serve all sorts of purposes. In the human species it was likely a huge driver of evolution of the mind. It is a huge mental work out to do it well. Just as athleticism was important in the past, the male who had smarts (sense of humor) was more likely to find a receptive mate or mates. This held true for women as well, but not to the same degree.

    So culturally, the act of sex without significant meaning harms everybody.. The lack of respect that ensues isn't exclusively gender related but rather an erosion of our humanity. Reducing the sex act down to just the act is deplorable. It doesn't rise to the level of being animal like. I don't even know how to classify it.
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    Greybeard, what policies or other influences do you think are responsible for the erosion of gender roles in your lifetime?
    Basically materialism.
    We are fed a diet of advertising which implies you will be respected, loved, happy,special if you buy our product.
    I notice you didn't mention anything like the sexual revolution of the 1960's, women's liberation getting women out of the house and into the work force, the redefinition of marriage, or anything like that.

    So you think materialistic consumerism eroded gender roles in your lifetime, but none of those things I just mentioned, which are actually directly related to ideas of gender conformity?

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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
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    Quote Posted by A Voice from the Mountains (here)
    Greybeard, what policies or other influences do you think are responsible for the erosion of gender roles in your lifetime?
    Basically materialism.
    We are fed a diet of advertising which implies you will be respected, loved, happy,special if you buy our product.
    I notice you didn't mention anything like the sexual revolution of the 1960's, women's liberation getting women out of the house and into the work force, the redefinition of marriage, or anything like that.

    So you think materialistic consumerism eroded gender roles in your lifetime, but none of those things I just mentioned, which are actually directly related to ideas of gender conformity?
    yes the things you mention too.
    I wanted to leave the topics up to others to expand on the subject.
    I am interested in the replies but writing at length I cant do now--dyslexic and age --pain in the finger joints and elsewhere.
    its accepted as normal for my age.

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    But--- the culturally imposed desire to eradicate all differences between the sexes has produced a social environment where women are encouraged to feel that they should aspire to behave the same way as the most romantically lazy men.
    Bingo.

    If someone were growing a tomato plant, and I came by and peed on it every day, and it died, it would require a fool to believe that the tomato died because of the weather.

    In the same way, you have certain ideologues (and we all know who I'm talking about) attacking the very idea of gender identity consistently for decades. Suddenly, men are acting like women and women are acting like men. Who can argue with a straight face that this is all irrelevant to the problem at hand?

    We can't correct a mistake if we can't admit we've made one. We've made some massive mistakes here and future generations will be paying for it for a long time.

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    I just threw a pebble in the pond to see what ripples materialized.
    A talking point.
    To my mind as consciousness rises all will evolve according to this.
    There is tremendous potential--where that may take the male and female relationship,humanity in general, I have no idea., but I do hope that respect and love will flourish.

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