QAnon - An Opposing Viewpoint - LARP, Psyop, Cult or Something Even More Sinister?

[Pam]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.

I notice that you frequently use the word Nazi to describe a group or groups of people. Can you give me examples of these Nazi groups? After giving the example, can to factually provide their actions and what they do that is Nazi like? Please limit your response to modern times.

[Satori]

He, she, they, it going by the moniker "Q" is/are providing what has become known as "Q drops" (or some similar such thing). "Q" is not writing an encyclopedia. Of necessity, not every thing or nuance can be, or even should be, written or touched upon in a particular Q drop, or in the entire collection of all Q drops.

I do not believe this is a case where specifically mentioning somethings is intended to exclude, downplay or cast into doubt other things that may come into the mind of the reader and to which the reader believes to be true or applicable and relevant to the subject.

[AutumnW]

Posted by peterpam (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Jimisroom,

A thousand thanks. Qanon is a prefascist propaganda phenomenon that started as a live action game. It's useful to the sociopathic Nazis who are the deepest swampiest part of the deep state. What do you say to those who have this 'light bulb moment' where everything falls into place for them when they begin reading this stuff? What is going on with them emotionally and cognitively?

I have my own ideas on that subject but would love to hear yours.

I notice that you frequently use the word Nazi to describe a group or groups of people. Can you give me examples of these Nazi groups? After giving the example, can to factually provide their actions and what they do that is Nazi like? Please limit your response to modern times.

"Usually, comparisons between Donald Trump’s America and Nazi Germany come from cranks and internet trolls. But a new essay in the New York Review of Books pointing out “troubling similarities” between the 1930s and today is different: It’s written by Christopher Browning, one of America’s most eminent and well-respected historians of the Holocaust. In it, he warns that democracy here is under serious threat, in the way that German democracy was prior to Hitler’s rise — and really could topple altogether."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...tory-historian

[T Smith]

Posted by jimisroom (here)

There is also a "high" in feeling like one belongs to a so-called "truth telling" exclusive group...a high that often over time (for some) morphs into a slight to incredible disdain for those "outside" the group. This is largely why I've avoided debating this. Discussion on just about any subject morphed from a few traded ideas to "my way or the highway".

The moment I got extremely concerned, was when people suddenly saw Roswell as a "real" event, just because "Q" said it was. Really??? There have been tons of people who have come forward about Roswell since it happened, and they have actual names and we've seen their actual faces...but suddenly an "anonymous" source becomes the most credible confirmation of Roswell? How?

These are all very interesting observations, but I would only question, how is this anything new? This analysis merely describes how the vast majority of people have been processing information since.... forever.

To wit:

There is a whole swath of people, as much as 100 times (perhaps much more) greater than those who follow Q, who will not believe anything about anything until the high priests of MSM and the annals of official government propaganda tell them it is so. So your arguments, while very well articulated, and, as far as I can tell, largely valid, basically describe how most people process information.

You are basically describing human nature and the inability of many to critically form their own opinions, which has been largely a deliberate ramification of public education.

The so-called cult you are attempting to expose applies a hundredfold to the lemmings that follow any new source anywhere, particularly mainstream media.

I will add, however, that I do not believe, from what I understand from personal interactions with them over the years, that those who follow Q here on this forum, to the person, would fit this characterization. No one here has finally embraced the Roswell narrative because "Q has decreed it so."

It would seem to me you are basically calling out those who blindly follow anything, which applies to humanity at large no matter what their worldview or what information moves them...

To that end:

I have said it many times before on this forum. We have already had Disclosure. The cat is already out of the bag. Anyone who is paying attention and who can critically think on their own already knows that for which many so desperately yearn. I am continually baffled as to why people feel it is necessary to have channels of official government propaganda validate the obvious?

As perplexing as it is, it is apparent many--if not most--people will refuse to believe the sky is blue until the government tells them it is so.

[T Smith]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...tory-historian

Interesting. I was looking for something more in this article to convince me I might have overlooked something. What sticks, however, is an analysis that conflates the fear of the unknown (a rogue actor in power) with various historical horrors of the past, e.g. the Holocaust. That's a fairly loose connection.

Don't misunderstand me. I would entertain such an argument, but I need a convincing argument to take it seriously. That Trump is a wildcard and not a puppet of the established power structure hardly supports the argument that democracy is under siege.

But let's analyze:

Trump (and his followers) embrace Nationalism; Hitler (and most Germans circa 1930s) embraced Nationalism. Check. Germany had been brutally oppressed by the Paris Peace Accords, just as America (and other sovereign nations) have been brutally oppressed by the incipience of Globalism. Check. Okay, you have my attention.

What else indicates we might see a repeat of 1930s Nazi Germany?

This is where all parallels end. I am still awaiting to be convinced, and this is exactly where Browning's argument falls short and seems to morph more into a political hit piece rather than a legitimate intellectual discussion.

For those who can't discern the differences between 1930s Nazi German and 2019s America, I'll lay it out the best I understand:

1. Circa 1930s, Adolph Hitler was a highly respected and popular world leader among everybody, including the German people and foreign powers. He was Time Magazine's person of the year in 1938. He was basically the Barack Obama of his times (perhaps even more popular) and had incredible influence... which as we all well know can be dangerous.

Donald Trump, no so much. Here is a man who can't get away with passing gas in a church pew. What power does he really weld with a mere 35 - 45 percent of avid followers behind him and absolutely none behind him in the sphere of genuine power and influence?

2. In 1933 Germany, the Nazi's began to actively oppress their opponents. Arrests and intimidation against the cause were commonplace. Big red flag, and people turned a blind eye. (We are actually seeing the opposite trend in 2019 America, where conservative voices -- those who would support the Trump agenda are ever censored and banned from public discourse). One could convincingly argue the opposite trend is occurring in 2019 America...

3. In 1933 Germany, all existing political parties were banned. From mid-July 1933 onwards, Germany was a single-party state. Cultural and scientific ‘cleansings’ were carried out as well. There is no evidence whatsoever, even in theoretical suggestion, of this remotely occurring in present day America.

4. In April 1933, the German government took official action against the Jews. It openly announced a major boycott of Jewish products. It was the first step in a series of anti-Jewish measures that would end in the Holocaust. There is no parallel whatsoever in 2019 America. (The border crisis, btw, if one is tempted to draw a paralell, is not about race; it's about legal citizenship and cultural assimilation).

5. After taking power, Hitler and the Nazis turned Germany into a dictatorship. Time and again, they used legal means to give their actions a semblance of legality. Step by step, Hitler managed to erode democracy until it was just a hollow facade. One could argue Trump is following a similar path via executive order, but that wouldn't hold water relative to past POTUS executive action. Trump's action of executive order is roughly in line with both Barack Obama's and George W. Bush before him.

The bottom line is this is just fear porn.

That said I will be the first to sit up and take notice if Donald Trump truly attempts anything remotely in the same vein of Adolph Hitler.

[jimisroom]

Posted by jimisroom (here)

The so-called cult you are attempting to expose applies a hundredfold to the lemmings that follow any new source anywhere, particularly mainstream media.

I am not trying to "expose" anything, I'm merely asking questions, and yes...pointing out human nature. I answered the question. The fact that this is "nothing new" is true, but it apparently needs to me mentioned again because history has a way of repeating itself, and I don't wish to see groupthink go awry in the way that it can coupled with "technology".

Yes, people don't immediately think for themselves alot of times, and yes, some can be attributed to education, but that s minimal to our consumer culture which conditions us to do that which is "easy" and "convenient". Over time people get lazy...dont research, and then couple it with emotion. That needs to evolve, and many are doing that.

My criticism of the reception of the Roswell information of COURSE doesnt apply to everyone who follows Q... I never accused anyone at Avalon of that. Pls dont put words in my mouth. The issue is the process "analysis" exercised by most responding... There was none. We could all do better.

Just to repeat...answering a question on a forum about what people might feel during their moment of truth is not the same as "trying to expose a cult". I've seen people get emotionally charged with any and all kinds of information, and yes, human nature is a little weird....we agree on that for certain.

So why not talk about it towards changing it for the better? Even if little by little??

Thanks

[jimisroom]

Posted by T Smith (here)



To that end:

I have said it many times before on this forum. We have already had Disclosure. The cat is already out of the bag. Anyone who is paying attention and who can critically think on their own already knows that for which many so desperately yearn. I am continually baffled as to why people feel it is necessary to have channels of official government propaganda validate the obvious?

As perplexing as it is, it is apparent many--if not most--people will refuse to believe the sky is blue until the government tells them it is so.

Completely agree. Was my point in mentioning Roswell. Was my point in mentioning other aspects of what disclosure actually is in one of the posts here.

My concern is that alot of the "Q" narrative has people convinced its just about jailing the Clintons, et al. "Q" should just be used as a reference tool...not a Bible.

People really wanting not drama, but real "disclosure" will find the clues and info you and I both just mentioned. The info is out there. Its more than out there.

Thanks.

Moving on to another thread before any more of my "questions" might be misunderstood as "trying to expose" something. lol I'm no ones enemy here. Cheers.

[T Smith]

Posted by jimisroom (here)

My criticism of the reception of the Roswell information of COURSE doesnt apply to everyone who follows Q... I never accused anyone at Avalon of that. Pls dont put words in my mouth. The issue is the process "analysis" exercised by most responding... There was none. We could all do better.

Hi Jimisroom,

Thank you for clarifying.

I also didn't mean to imply your specific comments on groupthink were directed at anyone here at Avalon . And, yes. I agree with your observations. Many are riding the wave without thinking, which is always problematic, especially when certain interests begin directing the rip tide.

[Clear Light]

Oh, so unless I've made a mistake, from looking at the Member List ordered by "Join Date", since Bill posted the An announcement for non-members about the Qanon information thread 7 days ago, there are now just 12 new members eh ?

[Hervé]

A reminder from sometimes back about how psy-ops are engineered:

Posted by Hervé (here)
The following is an article by Jon Rappoport on how psy-ops work and how they are orchestrated in social engineering schemes and which I keep referencing here and there.

So here it is, in its own thread:

The disaster of manufactured consent in the Matrix
by Jon Rappoport March 15, 2013
www.nomorefakenews.com [now defunct]

[...]

In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

[...]

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED), explained this “psyop calculation”:

“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”

[...]

This has less and less to do with personal reality.

Manufactured consent in the Matrix is a bit of a misnomer. Manufactured consent IS the Matrix, at the most profound level.

[...]

A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

[...]

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”

[...]

Freedom? Democracy? The will of the people? A better future for all? Equality? Justice? These are merely concepts in search of ways to run psyops.

Jon Rappoport

[emphases mine]

[waves]

Posted by Hervé (here)
This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED), explained this “psyop calculation”:

“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”

[...]

There.... it..... is...., plain english. Man, Herve, you have quite the impressive memory, frequently pulling this dead right astounding supportive/predictive stuff said long ago.

I've taken a lot of heat for accurately characterizing the militant Q defenders as immature, for Avalon tolerating their playground, for Q wreaking of religious/evangelical fervor and how the personalities involved hopelessly deluded - exactly what's described above, and it's just the plain, pathetic truth.

I am totally unapologetic for increasingly using in-your-face New York style plain english to call out extreme BS which has just gone on too long. I really wish Avalon would quit trying to invite discussion/debate with hopelessly deluded immature minds in an effort to restabilize Avalon inter-member respect. It's going to be years if ever that the minds/egos that were this vulnerable ever wake up and realize/admit why they personally fell so hard and what the clever mechanics were that roped them in.

[Jayke]

Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kuf9d3sci-w

”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their perception of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

[Cara]

Posted by Jayke (here)
Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kuf9d3sci-w

”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their version of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

Thank you!

This is a little challenging to watch due to the translation and difficult to read subtitling....but I am glad I watched through. It’s an excellent top to bottom exposition of the mechanisms of manipulation: an insightful, comprehensive and also simple arrangement.

[Jayke]

Posted by Searcher (here)

Posted by Jayke (here)
Psy-ops work most effectively when dupes start pushing a purposefully distorted map of reality, as though their distorted and biased perceptions, were reality itself. A lecture from Russia’s intelligence services explains how this 1 basic principle, has been used for world domination since Ancient Egypt.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kuf9d3sci-w

”The most tragic mistake any human can make, is to assume that their version of reality, is reality itself!”
— Richard Bandler

Thank you!

This is a little challenging to watch due to the translation and difficult to read subtitling....but I am glad I watched through. It’s an excellent top to bottom exposition of the mechanisms of manipulation: an insightful, comprehensive and also simple arrangement.

“Conceptual Power” as the Russians call it, far more effective than Hypnosis or NLP. No different than Heka to the Egyptians.

Project Avalon has been caught in the midst of deeper conceptual ideology wars that have been making rifts, not just on Avalon, but across the wider world.

The Integrity Initiative (a liberal globalist propoganda think tank) published a report from the NSI, who are an intelligence analyst organisation specialising in multilayer assessments for the DoD.

NSI maintains an extensive Publications archive largely comprised of government-sponsored research and analysis products, various research efforts from our professional and technical staff, and a variety of corporate news items. The government-sponsored products are maintained on behalf of the US Department of Defense (DoD) Strategic Multilayer Assessment (SMA) program and address challenging national security problems and operational imperatives.

The report looked at the dominant ideologies between the western order and the new paradigm emerging from Russia. The two ideologies competing for Conceptual Power are described in chapter 1:

• https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-fdf908e00001

PART I. WHAT DRIVES RUSSIA’S GLOBAL INTERESTS AND STRATEGY?
Chapter 1. The Three Motivations for an Assertive Russian Grand Strategy
Abstract
The US’s agenda in Europe, as it has been for the better part of 80 years, is to promote and protect an international liberal order, including political, economic and societal liberalization. Spreading this agenda to Eastern Europe has proved challenging as Russia’s own political, economic and societal agenda within the region often opposes the Western ideal. One of the most significant sources of conflict (potential and real) between Russia and the US in Europe is the differing perceptions of how the global international system ought to be. The US sees Europe, Western, Central and Eastern, as part of the US-led liberal international order in which political, economic and societal liberalism promote a vibrant, dynamic and open system. Russia’s perception, however, is that the global international system ought to be a balance of powers where differing powers live and let live, where one power does not force its ideologies on the other. In this accounting, Eastern Europe (and even parts of Central Europe) were part of Russia’s sphere of influence and still ought to be. Russia has given every indication that they do not intend to back down in what was once their sphere of influence, and uses these differences as justification for its annexation of Crimea, support for separatists in Donbass, and continued support for frozen conflicts in Georgia, Moldova, and between Azerbaijan and Armenia. As such, the US faces the challenge of promoting its own agenda within Europe while not provoking Russia. This paper looks at potential road blocks to engaging Russia constructively, as well as potential avenues moving forward.

The highlighted red ideology of the Western powers is a good description of Clare Graves level 6 archetype, and the highlighted blue is a good description of the level 7 archetype. The same ideological rift that’s caused division across Avalon as I discussed here.

Putin has made statements recently that Liberal globalism is a concept that was ‘dead on arrival’.

• https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/16/l...doa-diagnosis/

Joseph Farrell also mentioned in a recent article that there might be an unknown player behind the Epstein scandal (and hence the Q phenomenon, since Q has been the biggest driver of info warfare surrounding Epstein)

• https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/07/the-epstein-affair/

I did post a speculation in this thread last week sometime... what if elements of Russian intelligence are working with elements in the NSA to bring about the end of the liberalist globalist order, and the two are working together. Could the Q psy-op be an element of Russia’s ‘asymmetric information warfare’ as a form of conceptual power over the ‘old guard’ of liberal globalists?

[jimisroom]

One “final” thought. I have to say this.

We continually create with our energy and consciousness.

An evil ET species won’t just come here and “invade”, like most Hollywood films like to portray.

An evil ET species WILL use various means to “infiltrate” societies and make them do what they want. They can and do “trick” the populace into giving their “consent”.

This includes “consent” for their rights, property, or even lives to be taken away is manufactured by orchestrating huge lies and manipulation. That’s what “war” is after all…and remember the opposing sides are often funded by the same forces.

Be careful what any movement is asking you to do…

In this case, the red flag is “martial law”. During the Bush and especially Obama administrations, a good deal of the rhetoric was a huge fear that they were going to impose martial law. I heard over and over and over again that President Obama was going to impose martial law and “take away the guns”.

Now its 2019, and we have an alarming amount of people actually “calling” for martial law!

Because they “think” this martial law will only be about arresting Ms. Clinton and some pedophiles… But how can they be certain of this?

When martial law is established, its pretty much indefinite. You will live in a literal police state. If your blood pressure goes up now when your line is too long at Walmart or while getting gas, can you imagine what it will be like going through 5 to 15 security checkpoints a day….to get into a store, to walk down the street, to drive into a different area of town? Would you like the possibility of being arrested and detained for anything at anytime? Do you really think this “martial law” will only apply to a few people? With the way security and intelligence has expanded since 911, our “freedom” will disappear overnight and it will be a living hell. Interestingly Barbara Marciniak…Pleiadian channeler…has even warned of this quite earnestly recently… Is this what we really want?




This is a "real" wall that I took a photo of at 12. It scared the hell out of me. I imagine it scared the German friends we had living in W Berlin, on the "free" side of the wall whom we were visiting as well. I knew that for sure when we relocated to the back of their garden suddenly when the conversation got a little "dangerous"...they were still afraid their house was bugged because they still had relatives in the East.

A “wall” is not what you want. It would make the above one look like child’s play, and will only make you feel worse.

Please….be careful what you are being engineered to “consent” to.

And yes, I urge again, just “be careful” with this stuff. If something doesn’t sound right, please ask questions. Anyone participating in the movement always has the propensity to transmute the toxicity and redirect into something positive that benefits us all.

[ulli]

Posted by jimisroom (here)
One “final” thought. I have to say this.

We continually create with our energy and consciousness.

An evil ET species won’t just come here and “invade”, like most Hollywood films like to portray.

An evil ET species WILL use various means to “infiltrate” societies and make them do what they want. They can and do “trick” the populace into giving their “consent”.

This includes “consent” for their rights, property, or even lives to be taken away is manufactured by orchestrating huge lies and manipulation. That’s what “war” is after all…and remember the opposing sides are often funded by the same forces.

Be careful what any movement is asking you to do…

In this case, the red flag is “martial law”. During the Bush and especially Obama administrations, a good deal of the rhetoric was a huge fear that they were going to impose martial law. I heard over and over and over again that President Obama was going to impose martial law and “take away the guns”.

Now its 2019, and we have an alarming amount of people actually “calling” for martial law!

Because they “think” this martial law will only be about arresting Ms. Clinton and some pedophiles… But how can they be certain of this?

When martial law is established, its pretty much indefinite. You will live in a literal police state. If your blood pressure goes up now when your line is too long at Walmart or while getting gas, can you imagine what it will be like going through 5 to 15 security checkpoints a day….to get into a store, to walk down the street, to drive into a different area of town? Would you like the possibility of being arrested and detained for anything at anytime? Do you really think this “martial law” will only apply to a few people? With the way security and intelligence has expanded since 911, our “freedom” will disappear overnight and it will be a living hell. Interestingly Barbara Marciniak…Pleiadian channeler…has even warned of this quite earnestly recently… Is this what we really want?




This is a "real" wall that I took a photo of at 12. It scared the hell out of me. I imagine it scared the German friends we had living in W Berlin, on the "free" side of the wall whom we were visiting as well. I knew that for sure when we relocated to the back of their garden suddenly when the conversation got a little "dangerous"...they were still afraid their house was bugged because they still had relatives in the East.

A “wall” is not what you want. It would make the above one look like child’s play, and will only make you feel worse.

Please….be careful what you are being engineered to “consent” to.

And yes, I urge again, just “be careful” with this stuff. If something doesn’t sound right, please ask questions. Anyone participating in the movement always has the propensity to transmute the toxicity and redirect into something positive that benefits us all.

I get what you are saying, but I believe there is a slight difference between a wall that is designed to keep people in, as in trap, from one that is designed to keep people out as in protectice wall, especially if they want to enter using force.
Being gate crashed has never been my thing.

[Cara]

Posted by Jayke (here)
...
“Conceptual Power” as the Russians call it, far more effective than Hypnosis or NLP. No different than Heka to the Egyptians.

Project Avalon has been caught in the midst of deeper conceptual ideology wars that have been making rifts, not just on Avalon, but across the wider world.

The Integrity Initiative (a liberal globalist propoganda think tank) published a report from the NSI, who are an intelligence analyst organisation specialising in multilayer assessments for the DoD.

NSI maintains an extensive Publications archive largely comprised of government-sponsored research and analysis products, various research efforts from our professional and technical staff, and a variety of corporate news items. The government-sponsored products are maintained on behalf of the US Department of Defense (DoD) Strategic Multilayer Assessment (SMA) program and address challenging national security problems and operational imperatives.

The report looked at the dominant ideologies between the western order and the new paradigm emerging from Russia. The two ideologies competing for Conceptual Power are described in chapter 1:

• https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...f-fdf908e00001

PART I. WHAT DRIVES RUSSIA’S GLOBAL INTERESTS AND STRATEGY?
Chapter 1. The Three Motivations for an Assertive Russian Grand Strategy
Abstract
The US’s agenda in Europe, as it has been for the better part of 80 years, is to promote and protect an international liberal order, including political, economic and societal liberalization. Spreading this agenda to Eastern Europe has proved challenging as Russia’s own political, economic and societal agenda within the region often opposes the Western ideal. One of the most significant sources of conflict (potential and real) between Russia and the US in Europe is the differing perceptions of how the global international system ought to be. The US sees Europe, Western, Central and Eastern, as part of the US-led liberal international order in which political, economic and societal liberalism promote a vibrant, dynamic and open system. Russia’s perception, however, is that the global international system ought to be a balance of powers where differing powers live and let live, where one power does not force its ideologies on the other. In this accounting, Eastern Europe (and even parts of Central Europe) were part of Russia’s sphere of influence and still ought to be. Russia has given every indication that they do not intend to back down in what was once their sphere of influence, and uses these differences as justification for its annexation of Crimea, support for separatists in Donbass, and continued support for frozen conflicts in Georgia, Moldova, and between Azerbaijan and Armenia. As such, the US faces the challenge of promoting its own agenda within Europe while not provoking Russia. This paper looks at potential road blocks to engaging Russia constructively, as well as potential avenues moving forward.

The highlighted red ideology of the Western powers is a good description of Clare Graves level 6 archetype, and the highlighted blue is a good description of the level 7 archetype. The same ideological rift that’s caused division across Avalon as I discussed here.

Putin has made statements recently that Liberal globalism is a concept that was ‘dead on arrival’.

• https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/16/l...doa-diagnosis/

Joseph Farrell also mentioned in a recent article that there might be an unknown player behind the Epstein scandal (and hence the Q phenomenon, since Q has been the biggest driver of info warfare surrounding Epstein)

• https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/07/the-epstein-affair/

I did post a speculation in this thread last week sometime... what if elements of Russian intelligence are working with elements in the NSA to bring about the end of the liberalist globalist order, and the two are working together. Could the Q psy-op be an element of Russia’s ‘asymmetric information warfare’ as a form of conceptual power over the ‘old guard’ of liberal globalists?

Thanks for the link to the Politico hosted NSI multilayer report. I must admit I view it with some suspicion because it’s a WESTERN view of Russia’s thinking. Most of the western reports on Russia I’ve read (where they are not outright propaganda) seem to start from a zero-sum-game position, which I think is a flawed baseline assumption.

I do agree that Russia seems to have a “live and let live” approach which is sometimes combined with realpolitik actions to create stability in its geographical environment. In an ironic “reversal” of the western zero-sum game approach, they seem to have an asymmetrical tit-for-tat response strategy to what they see as western provocations. In addition, they appear to be aiming to frustrate western efforts to re-establish (unipolar) dominance. Also, from my reading of The Saker’s articles and his website commenters over time, I would say there is a kind of “spiritual” component to Russia’s approach but I don’t understand it well enough to articulate it.

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On your speculation, it’s possible that there is some kind of intelligence collaboration going on that involves Russia’s FSB and USA’s NSA. In this vein, it might be useful to consider Chinese, French or German intelligence: there is after all a long-standing, somewhat hidden, economic war going on between the US and Germany (/EU) - maybe a new front was just opened?

Given the way the western media is running with this, I interpret this as a western power sanctioned activity. This view is simply based on looking at who owns the mainstream media outlets.

I listened to Joseph Farrell’s most recent discussions with Catherine Austin Fitts (his website members only unfortunately) and their speculation seems to be that the Anglo American alliance has now achieved a more effective mechanism of control (FASAB56 and connectivity-driven technocracy) and therefore they are “rolling up” and “cleaning up” a previous mechanism of control: the corruption and bribery of officials / influencers using control files / kompromat (which mechanism Catherine Austin Fitts characterises as very expensive).

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Apologies, these comments are not on topic. Perhaps they might better fit in another thread - something related to Epstein or Geopolitics? There doesn’t seem to be a good one, maybe a new one?

[Jayke]

Posted by Searcher (here)
On your speculation, it’s possible that there is some kind of intelligence collaboration going on that involves Russia’s FSB and USA’s NSA. In this vein, it might be useful to consider Chinese, French or German intelligence: there is after all a long-standing, somewhat hidden, economic war going on between the US and Germany (/EU) - maybe a new front was just opened?

Given the way the western media is running with this, I interpret this as a western power sanctioned activity. This view is simply based on looking at who owns the mainstream media outlets.

I listened to Joseph Farrell’s most recent discussions with Catherine Austin Fitts (his website members only unfortunately) and their speculation seems to be that the Anglo American alliance has now achieved a more effective mechanism of control (FASAB56 and connectivity-driven technocracy) and therefore they are “rolling up” and “cleaning up” a previous mechanism of control: the corruption and bribery of officials / influencers using control files / kompromat (which mechanism Catherine Austin Fitts characterises as very expensive).

I actually watched that presentation in the Giza members area yesterday morning. I couldn’t help but link it to what astrologers have been warning about a new Saturn-Jupiter synodic cycle beginning in 2020, what they describe as ‘the great transformation’ or ‘the great societal reset’.

Nick Fiorenza points out that the last time this planetary cycle played out was the precise time the knights Templar were rounded up, attacked and ultimately dispersed from France over 700 years ago:

• https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html

It is interesting to note that King Philip IV of France (b. 1268 d. 1314) became King Philip I of Navaree in 1284 (through his marriage with Joan I, the queen regnant of Navarre), the exact time of the last Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto synodic confluence, which occurred during the Uranus-Pluto opposition; and that he accuses, arrests, and overthrows the Templars in 1305, the exact time of the Jupiter and Saturn synods with the Uranus-Neptune synod.

The FASAB56 and the Q movement do seem like a similar restructuring of deep state politics that occurred 700 years ago, with one particular faction of the deep state being rounded up, hung and quartered — while other aspects of the machinery consolidate, restructure and march onwards.

Catherine Austin Fitts did make a brief comment in the presentation on the FASAB56 that gave me pause for thought, in that the FASAB56 will be used to make the western powers attack on the Silk Road project more fluid and dynamic (my paraphrase, can’t remember her exact words).

The Saturn vs Jupiter dynamic seems quite fitting. The Saturnalian cult (Western powers) vs Zeus-Ammon (old Byzantium Eastern powers). The great transformation that occurs as those powers compete for dominance might create opportunities that’ll take everyone by surprise, whether that works out for better or for worse is yet to be seen. Although my personal opinion is that the earth and its inhabitants make up a complex system whose counter opposing forces ultimately hold each other in check, so that things don’t sway too far to one extreme or other. Good and evil inevitably clash against each other in a dynamic tension of creativity, drama and progress, and where life always prevails in one shape or form or another.

• https://www.lunarplanner.com/2020/index.html

All these are interactive cycles. It is most certain to say that new disruptive technologies (not exclusive to but certainly including the internet and associated technologies) will begin to avalanche throughout the turn of this decade that will create radical change in sociopolitics and in the nature of economics and currencies. This can already be seen in the development of the IPv6 next-generation internet1, decentralized computing networks like Dweb (P2P Websites)2, and in the current application of an incorruptible economic layer to the current internet using Blockchain, Tangle, and the more advanced Hashgraph "Distributed Ledger Technologies"3), which make possible cryptocurrencies—secure cross-border, peer-to-peer and micro economic transactions without dispersing resources and giving control to third party banks, corporations and government bureaucracies—and which, along with eventual advances in computer and communications technologies, will avalanche into the formation of an entirely new sociopolitical-economic-technological paradigm, surely to emerge throughout the 2020s.

The disruption of our old world paradigm and the birthing of a new is at hand. Participating as if things are going to continue in the same way will result in wasted efforts, and worse yet, will leave us evolving lives based upon infrastructures that may no longer exist in the very near future.

[AutumnW]

Q ramps up compulsion by dropping bread crumbs that adherents feverishly try to piece together to construct a coherent meaningful whole. What they are really doing, speaking of bread, is seeing the face of Jesus in a piece of toast. Though, in this case there is just enough that is verifiably true in the 'drops' that it helps keep the disinfo game going.

Nobody here engages anybody in games that people have to puzzle over to extract meaning. Farrel doesn't do this. Avalon doesn't do this.

This is the salient feature that distinguishes Q from other disinformation campaigns, advertising campaigns, etc. It's really quite brilliant and I applaud those who started it. They understand human nature very well.

[Matthew]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
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Nobody here engages anybody in games that people have to puzzle over to extract meaning. Farrel doesn't do this. Avalon doesn't do this.

This is the salient feature that distinguishes Q from other disinformation campaigns, advertising campaigns, etc. It's really quite brilliant and I applaud those who started it. They understand human nature very well.

The Q posts rely on Socratic Method, and the live Q chat, in my opinion, degenerated into more obvious Socratic Method Trolling.... a bedrock trolling technique of /b-tards. It is argued deep in the corners of anonymous culture that Socrates was a famous in-real-life troll, and invented the science of lulz (trolling for fun). To be fair, I think they have a point.