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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I have to say, I'd do quite a lot to see Ann and Nancy Wilson (Heart) perform an entire concert of Zeppelin numbers. And yes, they might possibly get back together next year.

    They do Zep better than Zep, and Ann does Robert Plant better than Robert Plant. Sacrilege to some! But a case can be made. With the passing of Freddy Mercury, Ann Wilson, now 68 years old (impossible to believe!), has by far the strongest, most powerful and most evocative voice in rock. Her voice is just as it was when she started out 50 years ago. Maybe better.
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    And if I had a time machine, I'd want to be at the 2012 Kennedy Center Honors where Ann and Nancy, backed by Jason Bonham on drums, an orchestra, and two choirs, performed Stairway to Heaven, the greatest modern song ever recorded, in front of Plant, Jimmy Page, and John Paul Jones, and a packed audience of celebrities that included the president.

    It was staggering, acclaimed final act of the night that famously brought tears to the eyes of Robert Plant. (And to mine, too. I can't watch that often enough. It was the greatest live performance of Stairway to Heaven ever done, including by Led Zeppelin themselves.)

    Trivia here compared to much else on this thread, but here it is. It's something to witness. These things do matter. (And, note. ETs can't do this kind of thing. Only humans can.)


    Source: Watch on Vimeo

    ~~~

    No-one's asked me a question about this — but I was reminded of this post last night when I saw the video below. Recommended.

    It's really most interesting, because the reviewer ('The Charismatic Voice', a professional opera singer named Elizabeth Zharoff) knew almost nothing about Led Zeppelin and was only very dimly aware of Stairway to Heaven. But she was already a fan of Ann Wilson's remarkable and powerful voice.

    She'd been asked to review this performance by her followers. Her live, real-time reaction, hearing Stairway to Heaven performed so magnificently like this, is lovely to behold.

    Vocal analysis of Led Zepplin's Masterpiece, performed by Heart at the Kennedy Center



    Thanks Bill, happy memories of seeing Led Zeppelin live at Maple Leaf Gardens Toronto, 4/9/71 afore marathon trip to Mexico a few days later 👍👍👍😻
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    Hilarious. Very restrained Sovereign Ryan 👌😎🤣
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    Details about a Scientology scam, in case there is still any question about how far-reaching the scams are associated with and/or coming through Kim Goguen and cohorts...
    It would be interesting to hear your impressions.

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Associates Exposed | Part 7a | Dan Lutz - His First Grift, And Intro Into The OCG
    Kim Goguen INTEL |
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    Premieres Dec 6, 2023 8pm CST

    "Dan Lutz has been in several scams since 2012.

    He was a big player on Kim's team, especially working on the internet and mobile APPs side.

    Dan & Tank were friends and made many shows promoting Kim's so called intel, and joined many of the old Lifeforce team zoom calls.

    Dan visited Kim's home on several occasions along with Thomas Williams, Melville and Tank.

    This video shows proof of his first introduction into grifting, teaming up with alleged fraudster & Scientologist Meir Ezra."

    Video Links

    Meir Ezra - Scientology recruitment scheme

    https://culteducation.com/group/1284-...

    https://youtu.be/42lA_AbZ_To?si=syybY...
    https://dirtyscam.com/report/guarante...
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Details about a Scientology scam, in case there is still any question about how far-reaching the scams are associated with and/or coming through Kim Goguen and cohorts...
    It would be interesting to hear your impressions.
    Many thanks, and that was very interesting. I confess I'd never heard of Dan Lutz or Meir Ezra, but in summary none of this would surprise me at all. I know how the Church of Scientology's recruitment programs work, and this would be very typical.

    Regarding whether Kim Goguen is or ever had been connected with the Church of Scientology, I also have zero information (I don't follow the Church's dramas, scandals or personalities at all), and all I can say is that while I don't follow Kim Goguen's updates any more either*, I've never heard her using any scientology terminology, which with some people is quite often an accidental giveaway.

    ~~~
    * In my strong personal opinion, there have been way too many ridiculous and impossible things that she states and claims, such as that Donald Trump is dead and that the Chinese naval fleet was dematerialized a couple of years ago(!).

    I don't post on the main pro Kim Goguen thread (or even read it any more), nor on the counter Who is Kim Goguen? thread — the reason being that I don't want to insert myself into any controversies or disagreements which are debated or presented by Avalon members whom I respect and count as friends.

    But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.



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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I don't post on the main pro Kim Goguen thread (or even read it any more), nor on the counter Who is Kim Goguen? thread — the reason being that I don't want to insert myself into any controversies or disagreements which are debated or presented by Avalon members whom I respect and count as friends.
    Thank you, Bill.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    I think there has been sufficient evidence presented on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread demonstrating that Goguen and her cohorst are not only liars, but unparalleled scammers and grifters who have cost hundreds if not thousands of people thousands if not millions of dollars, not to mention a lot of heartbreak and very rude awakenings.
    In that sense, they have probably even outdone the likes of Wilcock, Goode, Parkes etc.
    I am sure there will be more evidence forthcoming, should anyone care to attend to it.
    I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
    I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
    So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
    Please unsubscribe me.


    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.


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    So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
    Please unsubscribe me.
    Natalie you are a valued member. I’d suggest a ’gone fishing’ break. It’s not lost on me that you add 10-15 posts daily. It tells me how dedicated you are to help humanity in ways you believe to be important.

    In case the above suggestion doesn’t appeal to you, then I'll use this space to thank you for all you've contributed.

    Godspeed on your journey. You will be missed.

    With heart,
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    I only have limited time to go on Avalon but consider this platform to be a great source of information when needed. Onawah, I -- as Im sure many others -- greatly value your insights and many posts. Please reconsider! I'd much rather see you continue your posts than Kim Goguen any day.

    This brings me to a sticky point. With rapidly increasing attempts to manipulate peoples thoughts through main stream media worldwide and AI getting into the mix , we look to Project Avalon for refreshing quality news. PA is our sacred "go to" place. New members when signing up, sign a pledge to make quality contributions to the site and assist in the positive development of mankind.

    When a news thread, or a contributor for that matter, has proven to be inaccurate or deceptive, should they not get their due notice? We are fighting a war out there against darkness and manipulation as many Avalonians will surely agree. I urge all moderators to please keep on top of things to continue to keep Project Avalon a top knotch site. Project Avalon is making a difference in shaping consciousness of this world!

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I think there has been sufficient evidence presented on the "Who is Kim Goguen?" thread demonstrating that Goguen and her cohorst are not only liars, but unparalleled scammers and grifters who have cost hundreds if not thousands of people thousands if not millions of dollars, not to mention a lot of heartbreak and very rude awakenings.
    In that sense, they have probably even outdone the likes of Wilcock, Goode, Parkes etc.
    I am sure there will be more evidence forthcoming, should anyone care to attend to it.
    I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
    I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
    So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
    Please unsubscribe me.


    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.


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    For goodness sake Natalie, there is so much more here than a stupid Kim whoever, I don’t bother with those threads, but many many other threads you help us with are SOOOO important, so please don’t go. I look forward to China, space weather, and loads of your input. Avalon will not be the same without you. PLEASE reconsider, one daft thread does not a forum make. Loads of love, keep on keeping on Avid
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Dear Natalie.

    I won't ask you to stay but only to reconsider your options.

    With so many people on the apple cart these days, mouthing in lockstep the accepted narrative, we need you to help run alongside trying to overturn it. It's our job.

    For now we can only watch from the sidelines and hope soon sanity will return, or even perhaps that we ourselves will come to realize the error in our thinking, who knows.

    But if you leave your voice will be cancelled, here. That would be a loss for all involved.

    Continue to stand your ground, that in itself is an excellent example for others to emulate. Or maybe skulk around in the background for a while. Let the newest fad fade, like they always do. Of course, those of us who have been waiting a long time now for sanity to return, are growing impatient and a little worried that it might never happen.

    There are a lot of charlatans out there. Not many in here, if any. That is a big factor in Avalon's favor.
    Also, there cannot be a man more sincere than Bill.
    Running a forum like this one must be difficult to say the least. And yet Bill manages to navigate through the storms and keeps Avalon on course.
    Kudos to you Bill!

    I think it is possible to agree to disagree, and still maintain an amicable relationship with the forum as a whole.

    Perhaps a few members on ignore might help? (I have tried to use this function, but I don't really want to cancel anybody, just some of their posts on some of the threads. Alas, there is no such option.)

    Is this making sense?
    Whatever the choice, my advice is to at least delay the choice. Make sure it is what you really want.

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Thanks for your concern and well wishes.
    It wasn't a snap decision.
    I think I need to resume some other creative activities that will bring me more back to myself.
    In any case, I have often wondered if spending so much time online hasn't actually been a distraction from that.

    Take good care, Avalonians.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Hey Onawah - hope you see this, and also for everyone else. Seeing Onawah leave is sad to me. I did not click the "thanks" button to support her leaving - although that is her choice - I thanked her for posting - these posts and all other posts.

    Bill, I am just wondering if you communicated to Onawah to yours and Onawah's satisfaction. I am sure that you did and respect that it is private. Just wanted to ask.

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Hi Patient,
    Thanks. I have not communicated with Bill anymore about this issue other than in this thread, though I have done so on past occasions.
    I really didn't intend to put him on the spot as to being the one to unsubscribe me, so I will ask one of the Mods who are on duty now to do it.
    Take care.
    Quote Posted by Patient (here)
    Hey Onawah - hope you see this, and also for everyone else. Seeing Onawah leave is sad to me. I did not click the "thanks" button to support her leaving - although that is her choice - I thanked her for posting - these posts and all other posts.

    Bill, I am just wondering if you communicated to Onawah to yours and Onawah's satisfaction. I am sure that you did and respect that it is private. Just wanted to ask.
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Onawah , take a breather young lady, it's ok , we all need to step back for a while sometimes. Someone said to me one time, did you hear the birds sing this morning ....... your contribution here has opened many minds here including with me. ........ that being said everything in this world is escalating , opinions, events, financial markets , corruption, crime. The earth absorbs all that energy as well. Time to regroup and nurture your beautiful soul. ....get back and your path and everything will find it's place in time.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I cannot in good conscience continue as a member of Project Avalon since it has been providing a platform for such ruthless grifters and compromsing the integrity of this forum since 2020, and with no change in sight judging from what Bill has stated above.
    I only became aware of it all relatively recently, but the longer I have been aware, the more compromised I have been feeling personally by the continuing presence of the thread "The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies" here, and what it represents.
    So I will say goodby and best wishes to the forum members who I have shared this space with for so long; I wish it were under better circumstances.
    Please unsubscribe me.


    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    But as a one-off statement here, it's very clear to me personally that while I don't know if Kim Goguen herself is a 'scammer', I'm as sure as I can be that most if not all of her claimed information is nonsense and has zero bearing on the reality around us which I feel I understand.


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    Natalie,

    I truly hope you will rethink that choice of yours.

    Yes, this forum at one time had a lot of supporters for Corey Goode, David Wilcox, Simon Parkes, Kevin Arnett, Deborah Tavares, Mark Richards, Charlie Ward and many, many other snake oil salesmen. I took many, many years to turn the tide and convince the forum members that these people were hucksters. While hoaxes and hoaxsters have been planted and grown on this forum, we are also often the first ones to question these narratives and start revealing these stories as hoaxes. Many of us have worked hard to expose these people as charlatans, and you in particular have done a great job on Kim Gougen. (I haven't spent much time looking at her materials at all. Something seemed strange about her when I first started looking in to her, and when you created the thread to expose her, you confirmed my intuition that her stories were nothing but a big crock and I haven't had to spend any more time looking at either the pro or anti Gougen threads thanks to you.)

    I am not sure what you expect Bill or the mods to do about this thing. There is no stopping a powerful lie, it just has got to run its course. You can't end an idea by trying to suppress it. You just have to let it feast on all the feeble minds that will take it in and be thankful it is not you, and then wait for it to die it's spectacular death (and hasten the death with your good research). You could ban it here on the forum but that won't make it go away. The ship of fools will just sail off to another place on the internet and cultivate their nonsense elsewhere. Why not just let it continue to happen here, so that we can witness close up how the conmen and conwomen lure their suckers into their web and observe how these scams operate.

    Ideas are opium and a few threads here have been opium dens, and we have some hopium junkies here. So you might as well enjoy the freak show! And while Gougen will probably fade into obscurity in a year or two, there will be new people to take her place. Fighting the lies and B.S. in this universe is a never ending battle and truth warriors can never retire. So don't you dare leave the forum.
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    Dear Natalie, we're definitely not going to lose you! You're way too valuable here. We all hope you slept well, and this is now another day, for every one of us.


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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    I also felt moved to share this — anonymously, of course. It was a private message sent to me overnight which I've only just read. Only in rare situations do we do this, but in this case I feel it is totally warranted. I agree with every sentiment.


    Natalie


    Hi Bill, please dissuade Natalie from leaving, she is an anchorperson here, I love her diligence and honesty, she lives to do good despite her disabilities, and if she goes I, for one, will be distraught. She has been brilliant with so many of us in bad times, please stop her from leaving - that Kim crap has a lot to answer for. Much more serious stuff to discuss on our forum than that…

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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Natalie, It's true we have had a bunch of as you mention Corey Goode, David Wilcox' es and a lot others that may not have anything to give us.

    Cogito, ergo sum "I think therefore I am"
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    This is a forum to express anything and everything!
    What you find valuable might not be to some other person, thats just how life works


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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    It's ridiculous that, after being a member here for so long, I still didn't quite understand the difference between unsubscribing and retiring.
    But it seems that unless I've been very problematical, I won't be unsubscribed, just retired, which leaves the door open to returning.
    And that is probably just as well, as it will force me to take myself more in hand where my internet addiction is concerned.
    Meanwhile, I am just tying up any loose ends here, so please pardon this prolonged exit on my part.
    It's not that I think the forum won't be doing whatever it needs to do ongoing.
    Again...take good care
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    Default Re: Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on. :)

    Hi Bill,

    Three questions:

    1. Given recent developments (say, over the last 12 months), how have you revised your understanding of the alien agenda, and the agenda of TPTB?

    2. In your opinion, do you think UFOlogy is taking a darker turn? I ask because I wonder whether my optics here are skewed - my sense of UFOlogy since 2017 (since the acknowledgement of AATIP) has been of a 'rising darkness' which seems to incessantly insist on dark mystery, and nefariou agendas. Gone is some of the great hope you would feel if you studied the work of, say, Timoty Good.

    3. Are you aware that posts have been removed from this forum? I note at least two posts regarding the US millitary in the 'Aliens Among Us' thread have been removed.
    Last edited by ashva; 15th January 2024 at 02:16.

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