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    Default Re: China's TERRIFYING Social Credit System (it's already here)

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    What's YOUR Social Credit Score?



    This is a very worrying, must-see video. It may be one of the very best yet made on this disturbing topic.

    But it's not just about China. From 24:45, it reports on how personal surveillance and credit-scoring is already being adopted in the rest of the world, in varying forms that affect us all in one way or another.
    Indeed, if you weren't convinced yet that the future looks gloomy, you will be after watching the above video.

    Here's another one:

    Bilderberg and the Digital New World Order (44:00)

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    Default Re: China's TERRIFYING Social Credit System (it's already here)

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    This cheerleader thinks it's a fantastic idea.

    http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180325/

    West attacks China’s Social Credit System to deflect from its fascist panopticon. China Rising Radio Sinoland 180325



    Western propaganda brilliantly and ceaselessly employs what is known as psychological reflection. This is a mental health term meaning that if you are guilty of being a pedophile or tax cheat, for example, you get on your soapbox about the evils of child molestation or fiscal crooks, respectively, while doing exactly that. Another great example is homophobia. Many homophobes, especially the most violent ones are repressed, closeted gays and lesbians, who internally loathe themselves.

    Be it war, invasions, occupation, genocide, massacres, exterminations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180319/), the use of chemical and biological weapons (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180310/), institutionalized corruption, election fraud, pollution, CIA drug cartels, CIA organized crime (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/), ad nauseam, the West aggressively attacks all its enemies for being guilty of these and the rest of the world’s criminality, when in fact Eurangloland is the most brazen and bald faced Global Enemy #1 in every one of these categories, with the rest of humanity being its long-suffering victims.

    Sadly, the West’s psychological reflection works so well that its endless tsunami of shameless lies and propaganda continues to win over the long term. Just look at how Eurangloland has completely perverted the opinions of the vast majority of the world’s people, at least those who do not live in communist-socialist countries, when it comes to Russia, the Russian people and its president, Vladimir Putin. Ditto Iran, Venezuela, North Korea (DPRK), Cuba, the Philippines and any other country (or its leader) that does not allow itself to be a craven whore for capitalist empire.

    The effectiveness of western psychological reflection in the mainstream media is so thorough, that people I know who should see through this withering fog of propaganda are completely brainwashed. I call it being behind the Great Western Firewall. Yet, most Westerners I know who live overseas are just as clueless, due to their innate sense of racial superiority (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-171110/) and their unwillingness to look beyond CIA-MI6 CNN, New York Times, BBC, the Economist and all the other rubber stamp ventriloquist dummies that shill for their deep state masters. It is a demoralizing fact of life, something I passionately wrote about in Book #2 of The China Trilogy (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...china-trilogy/), China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/).

    Eurangloland’s owners are throwing everything they have trying to destroy Russia, Iran, Venezuela and DPRK (let’s call them the Fearless Four) and too many others to name. You may notice that three of these four countries are some of the biggest hydrocarbon producers in the solar system, and that’s what the West’s elites really want to do, is bring down their respective governments and install puppet Boris Yeltsin’s, to commence with the rape of their citizens and plunder of their natural resources. It’s called capitalism, if you haven’t already figured it out or have yet to reluctantly accept the truth.

    After 500 years of global tyranny and dictatorship, cracks in Western empire’s game plan are starting to show. The Fearless Four keep exposing Westerners for the racist buffoons and ideological zealots that they are. Almost nothing is working as planned near home base Europe (Russia and Iran) and America (Venezuela) Even North Korea’s very astute Kim Jong-Un is besting the West on the diplomatic front (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-170828/), having gotten Trump to agree to a joint summit (https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ong-un/555323/).

    How much worse can it get for Western empire? It must be time to bomb another country into the Middle Ages, or invade a small, helpless, poorly defended country full of dark skinned people. Like Iraq, how about Grenada II? That’ll keep the beer and popcorn flowing in front of Westerners’ 25%-interest-installment-plan-purchased widescreen TVs, for a week of Hunger Games bread and circuses.

    Way out east, OMG, along comes Baba Beijing (China’s leadership) to really make a mess for Eurangloland (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-171123/). It too continues to run circles around racist, greedy and let’s face it, incredibly hubristic Westerners, at least the deep state and its stooges who occupy positions of power in its “democratically elected” puppet governments (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-171022/

    and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-171210/).

    Thus, the mainstream media Wehrmacht undoubtedly has on the boards to try to bring down Baba Beijing, but it is being held up. Why? Three’s company and the Fearless Four are already a crowd. You can only spread your resources of destruction and chaos so far. As any good fascist will tell you, the Big Lie means staying laser focused and relentlessly on-message. Given with how it’s currently playing out and knowing the ultimate goal is taking control of these Others’ human and natural resources, the propaganda tsunami against the Fearless Four is already reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns. Adding a fifth behemoth target like China (which is just as savvy and patient as the Fearless Four) has probably been deemed too much by the West’s owners.

    Therefore, Baba Beijing has gotten off pretty lightly up to now, compared to the fascist Big Lie against the Fearless Four. But in the interim, that still doesn’t mean China gets off Scot-free. The CIA-MI6 mainstream media juggernaut sees a chink in China’s armor (sorry, I couldn’t resist the awful, off-color pun), with its rapidly developing (Chinese) Social Credit System (CSCS – http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180111/).

    Patrice Greanville, Editor-in-Chief of The Greanville Post (http://www.greanvillepost.com/) sent to Godfree Roberts and me a hatchet piece about CSCS (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/chi...credit-scores/). It originally came from Reuters, a CIA-MI6 chop shop from way back (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1GS10S). James Corbett has a rabid, irrational fear of all things China-socialism-communism, so he piled on (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Buhli5MYk). Then Forbidden Knowledge ran with Corbett’s propaganda video, adding insult to injury.

    Corbett is so cartoonishly bad about this subject, I even commented on it in China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/). It’s too bad, because otherwise he does some really good journalism. But then again, “liberal”, “progressive”, “alternative” journalists who have epileptic seizures at the mere whiff of China, socialism, communism or false flags (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-170505/) are a renminbi a thousand. It takes courage and conviction to look outside your own bigoted, ideological blinders to admit that there are different points of view and squirm-in-your-seats, smoking gun evidence.

    I sometimes wonder if journos like this get PayPal hongbao (red envelopes full of money given during Chinese New Year) from Langley and Vauxhall Cross, to post anti-Chinese propaganda. Or, maybe they are just your plain vanilla, subconscious racists (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...adio-sinoland/). Forbidden Knowledge possibly didn’t notice it, but they allowed Godfree’s thoughtful and reasoned riposte to be published below their piece. If they nuke it, I have posted it below, safe for posterity.

    In closing, here is a prime example of the difference between the West’s real life, fascist panopticon versus China’s open, honest and forthright Social Credit System. This month, China Central Television (CCTV) cooperated with Tencent Research (of Wechat fame) to do a national survey, talking to 8,000 citizens. The results were broadcast on CCTV, picked up by all the print and social media and it was the topic-of-the-country for a few days. Why? Because 76.3% of the respondents think that some kinds of artificial intelligence (AI) are a threat to their privacy (https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech...erns-in-china/). As the world’s largest user of surveys and polls (I wrote a whole chapter on this in China Rising and here is an article that touches on it: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-160522/), I can guarantee you that the results of this poll and many others like it were/are put on President Xi Jinping’s desk, as well as in the hands of thousands of other decision makers in China’s government. Unlike the West, Baba Beijing and Chinese democracy are proactively responsive to the citizens’ concerns, hopes and aspirations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-171130/). Thousands of poll results are synthesized, analyzed and end up in laws passed and policies changed. China’s is real people’s participatory democracy, not the elitist, Potemkin Western version (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...orship-171227/).

    Herewith is Godfree Robert’s comment about the Reuters/Corbett Report/Forbidden Knowledge fearmongering yarn about China’s SCS. It is a great combo with my aforementioned article on the same subject (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180111/).

    I would like to preface Godfree by saying that in the CSCS, if you have substantial back taxes, delinquent loans, unpaid financial court settlements and the like, you can be banned from flying, or taking costlier highspeed trains here. They may even take your passport. The logic being, if you can afford to buzz all over the place, then why can’t you pay your debts? These are usually well-heeled citizens who have the assets to live the high life. They can always drive their (chauffeured) cars on China’s 131,000km of motorways, more than any other country in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...noland-170824/). I have never heard of not being able to take the metro or standard trains, unless you are out of prison and on parole.

    These kinds of restrictions and much more onerous ones are put upon citizens in the West. The United States is now routinely imprisoning poor people who owe money, East St. Louis being just one of many examples (https://www.theatlantic.com/business...prison/462378/). That’s just the tip of the American iceberg for loss of freedoms and due process. The Oklahoma Department of Education (ODE) refuses to give me my updated teacher’s certificate, because I have sent in my tax returns to the IRS three times, and due to its incompetence, my returns have never been official registered in its database. Last summer, I even went to the Oklahoma Tax Commission and hand delivered my returns to them, but that’s not good enough. The feds say no go, so I’m out $50 at ODE for nothing but frustration and insults.

    These kinds of governmental limits on freedom and due process are legendary in the West (I lived and worked in France for five years), often preying on the powerless, voiceless and dark skinned members of society. As Godfree explains below, the Chinese are getting legal recourse for the CSCS. I know experientially that they already have it in local courts for small claim redresses, because I threatened to sue my landlord in Beijing and he backed down, a true life story I detailed in China Is Communist Dammit – Dawn of the Red Dynasty (https://www.amazon.com/China-Communi...dp/6027354380/).

    Godfree’s turn:

    Erm, no. China’s very public Social Credit program is not America’s very secret No Fly List. Not even close.

    Our media are interpreting yet another Chinese policy, Social Credit, in Western terms but China does things differently and, usually, better.

    First, Social Credit is a popular initiative: the Chinese are the most trusting society on earth yet don’t have credit ratings so they’re tired of being scammed online for billions each year.

    First [II], they trust the government–not private credit agencies like Equifax–to run projects that impact everyone because they trust their government far more than we trust ours: 86% of them say it works for everybody and not just for a fortunate few.

    Second, Social Credit doesn’t just rate citizens. It rates everyone from government departments and individual officials to cops, corporations, Supreme Court justices, Congresspeople–absolutely everyone and every enterprise gets a social credit rating that arises naturally from their interactions with others.

    Third, doesn’t this sound better than being secretly rated by private corporations who sell your information to other private corporations and secretly share it with government agencies–without your permission? And charge us for access to our own information? And offer no reciprocity? Ask TRW for a vendor’s credit history and current rating and what it costs you.

    Fourth, Social Credit is 90% carrot and 10% stick: the higher your score the easier your life becomes. Japan and the Netherlands already offer expedited visa processing for tourists with scores above 750 and landlords and car rentals waive deposits if you’re over 800. It’s intended to be a magic carpet for those who play straight with everyone they encounter.

    Fifth, all the rules are public and anyone can play and all changes to your SC rating are transparent to you, in real time. For free.

    Sixth, China already has a prototype running, an online Social Credit Arbitration Court where, for a few dollars, you can have your case heard and receive a binding verdict that corrects mistakes. Millions of people use it and are refining it. It will go national in 2020.

    Seventh, There’s an idealistic element: it’s part of China’s 2,000-year-old plan to create a ‘datong’ society in which (to be brief) everybody is taken care of and nobody needs to lock their doors at night: a goal every Chinese supports and which the government hopes to deliver by 2120. Imagine the effects of 100 years of Social Credit on the entire culture…

    Customers applying for visas for developed countries, like Luxembourg or Japan, with scores above 750 need not submit bank records and enjoy perks like expedited airport security checks: a consumers’ magic carpet that reduces transaction fees and credit losses and builds consumer confidence. By 2018, more than 1,100 government officials had been blacklisted.

    More carrot than stick, corporations with strong social credit can expect government contracts and low-interest loans and raises small corporations’ credit if they observe consumer and product safety regulations, while debiting them for unreliability, dishonesty, excess emissions and even poor worker safety. Regulators say that, when the system becomes integrated it will generate corporate scorecards directly from sensor data, CCTV cameras, government and court records and consumer reviews.

    The program comes with a sting in its tail, as Oxford University’s Rogier Creemers says, “When rules are broken and not rectified in time you are entered in a list of ‘people subject to enforcement for trust breaking’ and denied access to things. Rules broken by corporations can lead to them being unable to issue corporate bonds and individuals being unable to become company directors. Trust-breakers can face penalties on subsidies, career progression, asset ownership and the ability to receive honorary titles from the Chinese government. Those who fail to repay debts are punished by travel restrictions”.

    A typical travel restriction made the news in 2017 when a real estate developer attempted to book a first class ticket to London and found that the system would only issue him a tourist seat. When he investigated he found that his restriction stemmed from several court judgements whose penalties he had not paid. By 2018, the People’s Court had banned six million defaulters from traveling by air and was working with government departments to ensure that they would be ‘limited on multiple levels’. A local court got creative: when someone calls a delinquent debtor in Dengfeng, Henan Province, instead of a ringtone they hear, “The person you are calling is listed as dishonest by the Dengfeng People’s Court. Please urge them to fulfill their obligations”.

    Social Credit gives consumers the same access to corporate and government ratings as corporations and governments have to consumers and make a highly trusting society transparent. Since it will be operational by 2020 and will doubtless arouse Western fears of Orwellian control, here is the official summary of the State Council’s Basic Plan for Establishing and Improving Systems of Joint Incentives for Trustworthiness [I posted the link to the whole document in my related article- http://chinarising.puntopress.com/20...noland-180111/]:

    Praise creditworthiness, discipline untrustworthiness. Fully utilize credit incentives and constraints, increasing the extent of incentives for trustworthy entities and of disciplinary actions for seriously untrustworthy entities, letting the trustworthy receive benefits and the untrustworthy be subject to restrictions, forming systemic mechanisms for praising honesty and disciplining untrustworthiness.

    Coordinate departmental and social action. By disclosing and sharing credit information, establish cross-region, interdepartmental, and cross-sector mechanisms for joint incentives and joint disciplinary action, forming a common governance structure in which government departments coordinate their concerted action, industry organizes self-discipline and management, credit service organizations actively participate–all broadly supervised by public opinion.

    Protect rights and interests in accordance with laws and regulations. Strictly follow laws, regulations and policies to scientifically delineate trustworthy and untrustworthy conduct, develop joint incentives for trustworthiness and joint disciplinary action for untrustworthiness.

    Establish complete mechanisms for credit restoration, objections, appeals and so forth to protect all participants’ lawful rights and interests [the Social Credit Arbitration Court].

    Focus on key points, coordinate advancement. Persist in being problem-oriented, striving to resolve credit issues in key industries that are currently harmful to the public interest and public safety, on which many people have given strong feedback [recall all the polls and surveys discussed above], or which have caused serious negative impacts on economic and social development.

    Encourage and support innovations and demonstrations by local people’s governments and relevant departments and gradually expand mechanisms for jointly incentivizing trustworthiness and jointly discipline untrustworthiness to every area of the economy and society.

    This is another Big Chinese Experiment, a revolutionary way for people and institutions to relate to one another so let’s give it a chance. Who knows? We might learn something.

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    This article perfectly outlines what is a sign of the modern era its employment of 'software' strategies to gaslight and softly coercively control the population into silent conformity. It's now used in the current pandemic and it's almost plague-like effect upon social media and within the now denied hate crimes of gang stalking, surveillance scams, and fake news is impossible not to notice. I think the term 'lucid totalitarianism' should be appied.

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    Default Re: China's TERRIFYING Social Credit System (it's already here)

    NIGEL FARAGE: ‘COMMUNIST TAKEOVER’ UNDERWAY IN UK, CCP-LINKED FIRMS BUYING SCHOOLS
    2/22/21
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/nig...uying-schools/

    (Video, which I will request the Mods to embed, featuring Nigel Farage)


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/O6lrPV5EpWmY/


    "One of the main fronts of our unrestricted war is the Chinese Communist Party’s “Grand External Propaganda” war against the free world. Not only does the CCP actively spread its propaganda to the West, it has also succeeded in imposing its censorship abroad, with the proliferation of Cancel Culture and Big Tech de-platformings.

    As we find out in this video, the same is occurring in the UK and likely everywhere else that is of strategic value to the CCP.

    Brexit founder, Nigel Farage warns that there’s currently a “Communist takeover” of UK schools underway, as firms connected to the Chinese government are buying up private schools across the country. 17 schools are already owned by Chinese companies, 9 of which are owned by firms whose founders or bosses are among China’s most senior Communist Party members, according to reports.

    According to Farage, students are “being taught that China is the future, they are literally being indoctrinated by the Chinese Communist Party.”

    Back in the US, J Michael Waller, Senior Strategy Analyst from the Center for Security Policy says, “The CCP has mapped out every politician in the country, down to the governors and senior elected state legislators…they’ve mapped out who’s soft on the CCP or even likes them, who’s moderate or ambivalent and who’s hostile to them.”

    New York State, which was hit hard by the pandemic has more economic and cultural exchanges with the CCP than any other state. According to the China General Chamber of Commerce, $50.9 billion of investment from China was injected into New York from 2011 to 2017, much more than any other state. The New York State government announced in 2017 that developing relations with China is one of its “top priorities”.

    Seemingly innocent vectors, such as Sister Cities relationships are being exploited by the CCP. When the new mayor of Prague rejected the CCP’s “One China” (aka “no Taiwan”) policy and wanted to remove that language from their agreement, the CCP immediately threatened Prague with breaking off diplomatic relations, stopping flights and cutting financial aid. New York City, like Prague has signed a Sister City agreement with Beijing.

    Casey Fleming, CEO of BlackOps Partners Corp says, “This is all infiltration, subversion to control the narrative and to control actions throughout the United States and to weaken the United States.”

    Referring to the 80+ Confucius Institutes at US universities, 12 of them in New York State, NTDTV Senior China analyst, Heng He says, “The Chinese Communist Party has wiped out the traditional Chinese culture in Mainland China. Instead, it has replaced the traditional culture with the Communist Party’s culture, so the cultural exchange is actually exporting the Communist Party’s culture to the world.

    “The CCP culture is contrary not only to American values but also to the universal values of the world. If this cultural exchange is accepted unwittingly, it is actually helping the CCP undermine American values…The American people have never experienced such harm in United States history, not even during the Cold War.”

    The CCP is focused on the younger generations, who have no recollection of the Soviet Union, the Iron Curtain and of countries crumbling under Communist and Socialist regimes, so they’re more likely to fall for these propaganda efforts. One may ponder the role of China in the insurrection of 2020.

    In this NTDTV documentary, we learn that as part of China’s trade war, the CCP has reached out to state governments, because state governments don’t have dedicated personnel for foreign diplomacy and people at the state level are far less vigilant towards the CCP and have less of an understanding of the CCP’s nature than do those in the Federal Government.

    Wisconsin State Senator, Roger Roth recounts, “The Communist Party of China reached out to me on two occasions to pass a resolution praising them for their handling of the coronavirus. And what was probably most unusual about the request was that they provided me with the resolution. I’ve never had something like this happen.”

    Roth received the two emails directly from the Chinese Consulate General in Chicago. One, in late February the other, in early March at a time when the epidemic was spreading across the United States and the economy was being hit hard.

    Roth was angry but worried, too. He realized how the CCP had extended its influence to elected officials in the United States and that it may be a common practice. He says, “I’ve never spoken to their consulate before so that’s why it makes this request very unusual and very scary, that they felt that this was normal behavior, for a foreign government to come to a sovereign state, like Wisconsin and ask them to pass this resolution. Here’s probably the part that should scare most of us: they actually felt it was okay for them to do this. So, it makes you wonder, ‘Am I the first one that they’ve reached out to, to ask for a resolution to be passed?’ I find it hard to believe that I would be.”

    With the Chinese-style online censorship that we’ve been seeing, especially since the beginning of the global scamdemic and in the wake of the stolen election, when the President was mass-deplatformed and de-banked, our Civil Rights have been savagely eroded. It’s high time we stir from our torpor regarding the Invisible Enemy, before it’s too late."
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    it is one of the absurd lies made to take down China. At first it was widely spread in Taiwan first.... " They" use all kinds of lies as a war propaganda against China, to make the coming war on China reasonable,like what they did before to Iraq ......"The chemical weapons ****"..... Smart people would not believe this kind of **** and worry that a war on china will eventually lead to the 3rd world war.......

    This is part of the plan for the end of the world, for every one. If that happens, nobody can escape.

    It is very confusing that many people are aware of the mainstream media making lies to cheat the public, but when the mainstream media make one after another lie about China, they believe it and start working togethe as " a flesh propaganda machine" working together with the mainstream media voluntarily and tirelessly ......without realizing that they are using their double standard to help to push this world to the end,help to slaughter innocent people of this world, of course, they themselves cannot escape from it.

    Have they been to China? NO.
    How much they know China ? NONE.

    They are just doing this out of igaorance, arrogance....... cold-blood and brutalness in their blood.
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    Let us watch some videos ,at least to know the truth from people who has been living in China for years.

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    They tell the TRUTH about China.

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    Chinese people: We are happy!
    Western media : No, you don’t know if you are happy or not. We decide that you are not happy.

    WHAT THE HELL???



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    Can you have fun under China's OPPRESSION?

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    I have always been taught that China was a bad place, until I went to China in 2018 and my mind changed completely. Now I am in the process of moving there permanently.

    Unfortunately I can’t convince people that China is a good place, my father (who is a trump supporter) believes the trash that appears on TV instead of believing someone who’s been throughout China. But it’s worth much more to start your own life from scratch than to surround yourself with people who believe lies, so I am definitely sure that I’ve made the right decision to move to China.

    China Changed our Lives Forever ft. This is China.

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    Speaking With a Uyghur Activist About Xinjiang Abuse




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    I personally visited XinJiang twice. once in 2011 and once in 2019. First trip I went to northern XinJiang to see Kanas Lake in Burqin county (布尔津县), Altay region(阿勒泰地区). On the way there we stayed in Urumchi. Locals said they had two major riots in ten years, the first one happened in 1992 and the second one happened in 2009, which is a major one. About two hundred Han people were killed and many government buildings were torched. On the way to Kansas Lake I met many locals and talked to them (mostly Uyghur), To me, Uyghurs are very nice people and they condemn the terrorist as much as we do because riots ruined their tourism business. They invite me to their house and treated us with amazing local cheese and milk tea. their children were taken good care by government, First, they have never been subjected to the One-Child policy. they can have as many child as they want. Second, except for government employees, all Uyghur children enjoy 12-year free education(Han people only have 9-year). Third, government provides free food and transportation for almost 80% of the countryside Uyghur students(They rest 20% are people who owns business or had family members work for government). Fourth, all Uyghur students have their class in both Mandarin and Uyghur language(science and maths are in Mandarin ). and I'M 100% SURE they do enjoy lower admission points in college acceptance. Because in my medical school in Si Chuan, I had 4 class mates are Uyghurs and their SAT points needed for entrance are 20 points lower than ours, which in fact caused some issues throughout the years, because Han people feel it was unfair. Even back then I feel unfair.
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    This guy is really funny!

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    John Deere and the Xinjiang Cotton Industry

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    No more lies about China. When people spread rumours from mainstream media,they are helping to provoke a war,the 3rd world war...


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    some comments :


    akira akira

    "I live in the US and I've been hearing so much negative things and hatred about China that I got sick and tired and bought a plane ticket there to see it for myself. Stayed there for a month and found out everything told was complete BS. I even criticized the CCP government and nothing happened. It's all BS about being arrested, human rights abuse, etc...total BS. To my biggest surprise was I found so many American expats living there, and they all say american media is nothing else but BS and bad education. And regarding the policy about having one child, that only applies if you are living in central areas of big main cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. where population is highly congested. If you live in the suburbs or smaller cities you can have as many kids as you want. You are also allowed to protest against the government as long as it's a non violent peaceful demonstration. Seen one when I was there and was inside the crowd with the protesters. Western media is nothing else but complete bullsh*t!"


    "We don't hate Chinese people, we just want to destroy their country and way of life"

    "Very true Fernando. CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that."

    ’History shows how much the West loves the Chinese and why stop with China.The nations that have had colonies have a record of treating their subjects with brutal authority ,and this only stopped when they were driving out .'

    "The US regime also said the same thing with Venezuela, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, many countries in south america and list goes on and on. This only means that tthey want to destroy these countries."

    "What do you mean I'd have to communicate with the Chinese people if I want change in their government, they should just do what I think!"

    ”You cannot love the son when you hate his father - African Proverb“

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    Quote CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.
    I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?

    Just as in the US where I live, the Government does not represent ordinary people for the most part (though there are people I know who are apologists for the government).

    I am quite sure and saddened by the possibility of a world wide war. However, I, from the very little I know, think that there is already war occurring. This is already fully progressed. If people think there is nothing happening then they stay complacent. Media spell binds and who owns our media? Propaganda is vital to keep people believing what is sold to them is true.

    IMO there is something concerning China that is very obvious... they control the world by way of having underwritten production. Now global corps all moved operations to China. Now the US is very vulnerable and has a government full of CCP friends. The "social credit" system at play is rolling out in Israel, the British Isles, Australia and Canada at this moment the US is on its way too. China has flooded our US market with inferior goods. IMO the plan is that everyone will be owned by China. That is the CCP and not the citizens.

    I am NOT an apologist for the US. Government has done much harm through the world. IMO we are all pawns. I pray that light will well up in everyones' beings and we will be freed of our ignorance. IMO there is a common theme for what matters and it has to do with the 7th generation away form us... will their world be beautiful and rich and full of creative life.

    IMO China as the CCP is ugly.

    My preference is community be LOCAL and connected so we can communicate and trade. Bubbles on bubbles of various communities which interact build to a world, NOT a top down management. That possibility is what I imagine and seeing it will be a miracle IMO.
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    There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
    I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
    The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
    So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.
    I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.
    I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?

    Just as in the US where I live, the Government does not represent ordinary people for the most part (though there are people I know who are apologists for the government).

    I am quite sure and saddened by the possibility of a world wide war. However, I, from the very little I know, think that there is already war occurring. This is already fully progressed. If people think there is nothing happening then they stay complacent. Media spell binds and who owns our media? Propaganda is vital to keep people believing what is sold to them is true.

    IMO there is something concerning China that is very obvious... they control the world by way of having underwritten production. Now global corps all moved operations to China. Now the US is very vulnerable and has a government full of CCP friends. The "social credit" system at play is rolling out in Israel, the British Isles, Australia and Canada at this moment the US is on its way too. China has flooded our US market with inferior goods. IMO the plan is that everyone will be owned by China. That is the CCP and not the citizens.

    I am NOT an apologist for the US. Government has done much harm through the world. IMO we are all pawns. I pray that light will well up in everyones' beings and we will be freed of our ignorance. IMO there is a common theme for what matters and it has to do with the 7th generation away form us... will their world be beautiful and rich and full of creative life.

    IMO China as the CCP is ugly.

    My preference is community be LOCAL and connected so we can communicate and trade. Bubbles on bubbles of various communities which interact build to a world, NOT a top down management. That possibility is what I imagine and seeing it will be a miracle IMO.

    Sorry, that is just a comment somebody left on Youtube,i don't know him/her. If you would like to discuss about that comment with him/her, it might be btter to go to youtube ,find them and talk to them.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
    I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
    The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
    So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.
    I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?
    Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

    Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

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    Quote Posted by Rain Forest (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
    I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
    The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
    So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.
    I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?
    Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

    Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.
    Maybe because you don't say anything! You just spamming all threads with the same videos dude

    See this, if youtube is blocked in China, how are you getting those videos?

    Should we assume you found a safe vpn and went looking for those specific videos and made a list of "shiny happy people holding hands" just so you could come here and post them all over the place?

    Why would someone do that? Risk it like that just to come and spam all the same videos all over the place? Are we to believe everything is perfect and shiny because a video says so?

    That's why it looks apologetic, and very odd

    Anything you dislike about China? We all have things we hate about our countries, it is normal. Tells us what you hate the most about China, the government maybe? Lack of food safety? The one kid thing?
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    I can say for example that even if Russia has had equal rights for man and women since forever, and that Putin says a woman can do any job they want, it's a farce. Because the local job code saying around 400 jobs are forbidden for woman in general. Including being a pilot for example, which i wanted to be, and that's shameful and oppressive (What do you call a government that has a list of jobs a woman can't do, and they constantly check and review? On a country built on the shoulders of woman?)

    And i can say it freely, no repercussions. So tell us what's wrong, not just the nice parts. Should be ok because you are on a vpn or not on China at this time, right? Can you speak freely?
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