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    More from Dave Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants, on Coast to Coast AM, 24 June 2019:

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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    There is a You Tube channel called HowToHunt that I like to venture to on occasion. The guy that runs it is an avid hunter and outdoors man who treks into the mountains of British Columbia and Alberta and reads letters that people sent him about their encounters with Squatch. This guy is good friends with Paulides (they have done presentations together and these are also available on You Tube). Anyways, this guy has eluded to (on a few occasions) that Paulides does not think Squatch is behind most of the 411 cases. I tend to agree here (though I am certainly open to Squatch being behind a small amount). I think something much more strange is at play with 411.

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    A terrific personal presentation by Dave Paulides, just published (7 July 2021). Just fascinating. All about his own path of discovery, and his own history of researching Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants. The first part of the video is about Skinwalker Ranch, so start in at 24:00. Highly recommended.


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    Okay, this is a testimonial written and sent to a YouTube channel.
    It can't be real.
    It's too good.
    But even if it's fake, which it probably is, it's the type of fictitious work bleeding through truth.
    And the tale is a damn good one.
    One of the best I've ever heard.
    Entertaining, exceedingly.

    The story is this.
    A retired Canadian police man or Mounty states he received a
    Call concerning a naked child playing in a desolate clearing in the middle of a vast wooded Canadian forest.
    The Mounty shows up and finds nothing, next day he gets a different call stating the same thing about a naked toddler playing in a clearing.
    He finds the woman who called and she points to where the child ran off at her approach.
    While tracking the child he finds a whole group of people, women and children being held hostage by four adult male Sasquatch.
    The story goes that he retreats and calls a trusted confidante supervisor.
    You then get the perspective of the army detachment sent into the Dennis Martin story in the David Paulides missing 411 books.
    This joint US/Canadian detachment uses helicopters, snipers and satellite imagery to neutralize around five adult Sasquatch males and rescue the feral children and mostly feral women.
    Story starts at 36:00 minutes in.



    Quote Posted by Spellbound (here)
    There is a You Tube channel called HowToHunt that I like to venture to on occasion. The guy that runs it is an avid hunter and outdoors man who treks into the mountains of British Columbia and Alberta and reads letters that people sent him about their encounters with Squatch. This guy is good friends with Paulides (they have done presentations together and these are also available on You Tube). Anyways, this guy has eluded to (on a few occasions) that Paulides does not think Squatch is behind most of the 411 cases. I tend to agree here (though I am certainly open to Squatch being behind a small amount). I think something much more strange is at play with 411.

    Dave - Toronto
    Hi Dave.
    I love that channel.
    I listen at least once a week. There was an episode I listened to where he played the audio of a woman investigator, she was interviewing a native man who had accidentally shot an arrow into a Sasquatch while hunting for bear.
    He gave the most vivid account of his ordeal and the Sasquatch body description was amazing.
    I would love for it to be included on Avalon but I just can't find it.
    I don't remember the name of the native American or the lady interviewing him on howtohunt's channel.
    But one of the absolute best I've ever heard and I straight up believed it.
    Take care.

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    Okay Dave I think I found it. Bobby Short was the name of the interviewer. And I believe Paul Wilson is the name of the man being interviewed.

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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    Thank you so much, DNA!!

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    A most interesting new video from Dave Paulides. The title is Bigfoot 101 Class 1 with David Paulides, but 'Class 1' is all about historical testimonies going back into previous centuries, and it's really about 'Wild Men' — as they were called then, but clearly what are known as Bigfoot now.


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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    The sequel to my post above: this is Dave Paulides' Bigfoot 101 Class 2, continuing with more historical accounts of 'wild men' — and much more, including a detailed analysis of the famous 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film, mention of the extraordinary 1924 incident in which Albert Ostman was kidnapped and held hostage by a Bigfoot family for 6 days, and a strong endorsement of the 1994 Paul Freeman film.

    (Side note: Paulides argues strongly that Bigfoot cannot possibly be (or descended from) a gigantopithecus. Not for this thread, but I do feel his reasoning for that conclusion is flawed, whatever Bigfoot actually is.)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The sequel to my post above: this is Dave Paulides' Bigfoot 101 Class 2, continuing with more historical accounts of 'wild men' — and much more, including a detailed analysis of the famous Patterson-Gimlin film, and mention of the extraordinary 1924 incident in which Albert Ostman was kidnapped and held hostage by a Bigfoot family for 6 days.

    (Side note: Paulides argues strongly that Bigfoot cannot possibly be (or descended from) a gigantopithecus. Not for this thread, but I do feel his reasoning for that conclusion is flawed, whatever Bigfoot actually is.)

    David Paulides found the investors to pony up a quarter of a million dollars to do a full genome based on samples collected meticulously by the can am project.
    David being a former police detective knew a forensic specialist in hair identification. Apparently this expert claims that sasquatch hair is like no other hair on the planet.

    That full genome was difficult to have done given the sensational nature of the request.
    But,,, Mr. Paulides persevered and finally found some one to do the project.
    A full genome.
    Given the investment of time, money and determination it is no small wonder that David Paulides takes the findings of this research seriously.

    The findings indicate that sasquatch is a fifteen thousand year old hybrid. A chimera, half human and half something else, the something else simply wasn't in the genome records.

    This most assuredly points to it's creation coming from technological sophistication.
    Aliens? Atlantis? Annunaki?
    The creator is unknown but the results are hard to argue with.
    Sasquatch is a lab created species and a mere fifteen thousand years old, much to young to be gigantapithicus.

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    Sasquatch is a lab created species and a mere fifteen thousand years old, much to young to be gigantapithicus.
    Yes, all fully agreed.

    My only point was that gigantopithecus (an apparently extinct giant ape, a few bones found in China) is dated to have lived between 2 million and 350,000 years ago.

    If it had survived, and not actually become extinct at all, it could well have evolved a very great deal in those 350,000 years until now (just as humans evolved significantly in that same period) — and, if it mated with humans (or WAS mated with humans), might account for what we see today. I'm not at all convinced by that, and I'm not claiming it! But I was just pointing out that there were some fine details in the logic that Paulides seemed to me to skip past or maybe might simply not have thought of.


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    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    Sasquatch is a lab created species and a mere fifteen thousand years old, much to young to be gigantapithicus.
    Yes, all fully agreed.

    My only point was that gigantopithecus (an apparently extinct giant ape, a few bones found in China) is dated to have lived between 2 million and 350,000 years ago.

    If it had survived, and not actually become extinct at all, it could well have evolved a very great deal in those 350,000 years until now (just as humans evolved significantly in that same period) — and, if it mated with humans (or WAS mated with humans), might account for what we see today. I'm not at all convinced by that, and I'm not claiming it! But I was just pointing out that there were some details in the logic that Paulides seemed to be to skip past or maybe just not have thought of.

    In addition to that, Bill: there are easily a dozen or more "cryptid" "giant ape"-like hominids all over the world, in the Central Asian area (from the Himalaya up to North Siberia) four different species, in North America at least three..: ample proof of niche survival and/or the possibility of inter-species mating and/or genetic tinkering by any more advanced member of the group on any of the less advanced.

    DNA, while the possibility of "lab creation" should be considered and studied, what makes you so adamant about it being the case for the Sasquatch?

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    Well, before rushing to posting, I’ll try and do my homework better the next time, DNA, Bill. Time to go through “The Journey’ receptively and slowly.

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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    Hi Micheal

    I'm a simple kind of guy looking for simple answers that answer multiple questions.
    I had nothing to do with David Paulides hard work but I believe the results.
    Billy Meier predicted when and how Atlantis was destroyed being an asteroid impact some 12,000 years ago.
    Billy Meier's forty year old position was then agreed upon more recently by scientists pushing the younger dryass theory, this was academically frowned upon due to the absence of a sufficient impact Crater that proves such a theory.
    Then two years ago they found this Crater under the Hyawatha glacier in Greenland.

    For the record Billy Meier also said that sasquatch was a lab created chimera left over from the time of Atlantis.
    For the record Edgar Cayce also stated that sasquatch was a chimera hybrid from Atlantis.

    Interspecies sex can not create a chimera.
    Otherwise they would be every where..
    It can't happen. It is a biological impossibility even between such close relatives as humans and chimps..
    Such a pairing had to be done in a lab.
    You need the same level of intercellular manipulation as you need for cloning.

    And then there are other situational problems..
    I understand Washington State, Alaska and the Himalayan mountains sustaining wild populations of sasquatch but for the most part, on a world with forward looking infrared radar armed helicopters I just don't see how a breeding population could stay hidden.

    I'm from Arizona. I lived most of my life there.
    I've heard probably over a hundred sasquatch stories there from the mouths of first and second hand experiencers.

    Stories you will never read on line.
    I believe the greater portion to be true.
    I've been all through the forest of the Mogollon rim and it's just not big enough to support this kind of breeding self sustaining population without capture and or exposure.
    Sasquatch are in Arizona, but they shouldn't be without exposure and capture.

    Furthermore ten percent or more of those stories have a UFO connection involved with it.
    If you're going to believe the sasquatch aspect then you have to take the UFO aspect seriously as well.

    There are also several skinwslker ranch type places located on the Mogollon rim. What appear to be portal zones if you will. This requires another aspect to the discussion.

    I don't think one single answer will come forward to answer and cover all bases.

    I think the answers will be weird.
    And my least likely pet theory would be all of the sasquatch sightings are the result of free living self sustaining populations living independently through self determination.

    Also as a last caveat to staying on topic let me say that the chimera aspect gives credence to why David Paulides includes wild men in the topic of his book.
    As Paulides took a forensic artist with him to interview truly close encounter reports in the northern California areas where the Patterson gimlin film was done, where there are more sightings now than anywhere else in the world, the drawings taken by the forensic artist always depicted sasquatch with a very human face and nose.

    Nothing primate about it what so ever.
    Rather than a primate one would be more inclined to call Sasquatch a wild man, especially back before the media painted a primate type picture.
    This also helps support the chimera findings as well.
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    Thank you DNA. This is a wide collection of aspects of the "wild men" phenomenon. For your information and as an anecdote: I first delved a little deeper into the subject when reading the French original of the following book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Neanderthal-S...p%2C199&sr=1-4

    which is "L'Homme de Néandertal est toujours vivant" by the Belgian cryptozoologist Bernard Heuvelmans. I was quite moved by Paulides’ reference to forensic artists because Heuvelmans had also requested the help of a forensic draughtsman, I think to try and draw the “Iceman” through the ice encasing of his body. As for the "wild man” designation which Paulides prefers and you also seem to prefer – it is reflected by the fact that Heuvelmans in the 80s thought that the "Iceman" might be a Neanderthal man.

    I read all stories about our mighty cousins (and aren’t there many!) with the greatest interest, especially from those people who take “inter-species” contact very seriously and share how it transformed them. Elsewhere on PA I contended that all communication (also human verbal communication) is telepathic in nature; so it seems logical to think that whenever we "sight" them (probably after they had “seen” us already) communication has already been initiated.

    Now I’ll read Paulides’ "Journey”.
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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    Here's Bigfoot 101, Class 3. Dave Paulides continues to present historical accounts (and very interesting they are, too), pointing out that Bigfoot/Sasquatch is always referred to a 'wild man' and never some kind of animal.


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    Bigfoot 101, Class 4. Dave Paulides presents more historical accounts. (I've been following the subject for years, but I was totally unaware there were so many reports from the 1800s and early 1900s, and in so much credible detail.)


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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    David Paulides continues his "Level 101" discussion of Bigfoot in Class 5

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    Quote Posted by Alecs (here)
    David Paulides continues his "Level 101" discussion of Bigfoot in Class 5

    In Class 5 above (and also part of Class 4), Paulides discusses footprints, and occasional footprint hoaxes.

    I just emailed him this image, from John Napier's excellent 1973 book Bigfoot. It shows the fairly well-known prints found in 1969 at Bossburg, WA. The left foot clearly shows a 'club-foot' deformity.

    This Sasquatch was a cripple. No hoaxer would ever have thought of hoaxing that.

    Napier, who was an academic anthropologist, wrote: (p.104, my emphasis added)
    Club-foot usually occurs as a congenital abnormality, but it may also develop as the result of severe injury, or of damage to the nerves controlling the muscles of the foot. To me, the deformity strongly suggests that injury during life was responsible. A true, untreated, congenital talipes-equino-varus usually results in a fixed flexion deformity of the ankle in which case only the forepart of the foot and toes touch the ground in normal standing. In these circumstances the heel impression would be absent or poorly defined; but in fact the heel indentation of the Sasquatch is strongly defined. I conclude that the deformity was the result of a crushing injury to the foot in early childhood.



    (slightly larger image here: https://projectavalon.net/Bossburg_c..._footprint.jpg)

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    Default Re: David Paulides on Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

    Time to catch up! Class 5 is above, but since then there's been
    And here's Class 11, just published, where he gets to analyzing the DNA, and the work of Dr Melba Ketchum.

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