Is CIVIL WAR in America coming?

[Ratszinger]

Based on the aggressive behavior of every side of the aisle on X this country is ready to explode into violence at any time. I think at this point its just a matter of time and what exactly happens next to set off that pop heard round the world. 26 states against 24 and I must say I've not seen red states so angry and determined as now. Things are getting fierce and more so by the day. If the military doesn't really have it all and take over and lock down everyone for that ten day trial and review from what they have in their intel as we've been told countless times God help us all! This isn't just a maybe anymore. It's real. In some ways I think it's already begun.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I can picture the average conservative picking up a gun and charging, holding the line.

Who on the left is going to do the same?
I don't know, but can you take your Xbox to the front lines?

There are 10's of thousands of young male adults that have recently arrived in this country I'm pretty sure the left can convince with money to grab a rifle and fight for them.... most of them have nothing better to do right now.

[Chip]

As I watch our border crises unfold and as Texas takes its position to stop this blatant invasion without and against Federal approval-
I wonder deeply how over the past few years with 22 million having already made it into this country in this manner…..If it’s not a wee-bit too late.

Now we are left with factions of terrorists setting up everywhere- this is just undeniable.

And again we have this heart and soul Patriotism for country at its highest level.
Can anyone recall this same sentiment following 9/11?
What was the truth behind 9/11?
What are some of the goals of the Globalists?
-Do they not want the US to have a Civil War?
Of course they do
It looks like they got everything they wanted to me.
The best of both worlds in their sadistic minds.

The stage they set perfectly as masters in the art of Hegelian Dialectic.

-Chip

Note: 22 million sourced from Tucker Carlson

Adding a post from Lee Merritt’s MD channel from Telegram.

“Is anyone worried that this is all being orchestrated by the CABAL specifically to fragment America? These Governors until now have been marginal or anti- Trump or appointing people that are anything but conservative in action. But now they are poised to create secession by standing for states rights. I believe in States rights but this seems too well crafted. Just a word of caution. Remember it was European bankers and allies within US that fomented our civil war in 1861. It all seemed reasonable and noble to the participants. Is this 1861 redux?”

[Satori]

The world has been at war for a very, very, very long time. Wars are not created to be won, they are created to be waged, repeatedly and endlessly. The current iteration of the global war includes the need to foment and wage civil wars within nations to one degree or another. Some nations still need to fall, or at least fall into line, with the newest and evolving order of things.

[pyrangello]

Michigan may be a blue state in title but I can assure you since we are on an international border with Canada, if we had 300,000illegals crossing into this state in 1 month it's citizens here would not be sitting here saying come on in. If biden and company want to challenge a states rights to protect its own citizens, I'm thinking their popularity rate whatever is left will be going to zero in a new York minute.

[norman]

I posted this in the news thread a couple of weeks ago.

The guy speaking has his own idea about what it means, but in the light of recent developments, he could be missing the even more obvious.

Posted by norman (here)
Partly NEWS and partly opinion. The news part , I think, justifies being posted here. Make your own minds up about the implications.

GOOGLE is making a major update/change to it's terms and conditions in February.

https://t.me/theorionlines/1923

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Posted by Chip (here)

-Chip

Adding a post from Lee Merritt’s MD channel from Telegram.

“Is anyone worried that this is all being orchestrated by the CABAL specifically to fragment America? These Governors until now have been marginal or anti- Trump or appointing people that are anything but conservative in action. But now they are poised to create secession by standing for states rights. I believe in States rights but this seems too well crafted. Just a word of caution. Remember it was European bankers and allies within US that fomented our civil war in 1861. It all seemed reasonable and noble to the participants. Is this 1861 redux?”

I'm not in America and I don't watch TV anyway, but I've just heard that MSM in America is showing lots of invasion related footage.

If that's really true, that only makes sense to me if they are up to something like maybe they are about to pull a stunt like a J6 2.0

Invasion footage on MSM can only harm the current administration, unless they are going for a much bigger play than keeping Biden in the White House a few more months.

[SilentFeathers]

There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.

[jaybee]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.

It has been said in other posts that the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott is part of the WEF.... I don't know if this is correct or not or how aligned to them he would be in the reality of a major confrontation ----- but if he does have their (WEF) 'blessing' to oppose the Biden Administration on the open southern border....... perhaps 'they' think this growing crisis might stop the 2024 election happening...? and therefore stop Trump...?

just thinking aloud here... because, as you say... it could all backfire and in a BIG way....

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
There is an alignment being made right now with the States vs Federal Government. The Supreme Court did just rule that the Feds basically have the right to remove the razor wire. This is the "sleight of hand" trick (ruling) that the Federal Government can play to use force.
These are the types of things that are a recipe for disaster, when a government creates a showdown with the civilian population. It appears to me that this could easily spiral out of control.
In my opinion the Biden Administration must make a power move and not allow the States to appear to have and to actually have more control and power over this matter than the Federal Government has.
Personally, I feel the deep state is allowing this to happen for a clear line to be drawn in the sand for all to see....something major will happen for these states to back down so all will see it is actually the Federal Government (deep state) that is the true boss and ruler. This could easily backfire though, either way something major is about to happen.

It has been said in other posts that the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott is part of the WEF.... I don't know if this is correct or not or how aligned to them he would be in the reality of a major confrontation ----- but if he does have their (WEF) 'blessing' to oppose the Biden Administration on the open southern border....... perhaps 'they' think this growing crisis might stop the 2024 election happening...? and therefore stop Trump...?

just thinking aloud here... because, as you say... it could all backfire and in a BIG way....

Personally, I'm not convinced that they want to stop Trump. The longer they can pluck away at him and slowly destroy him and those that support him the longer they can condition the minds of the masses that this is what will happen to them also if they don't "behave correctly".

Once Trump is back in the White House he will never be able to gain control of the "deep state" and media will constantly blame him for all the damage done by the Biden Administration. The deep state can also then cause one catastrophic event after another and blame Trump and the MAGA people for that too. Sort of a final solution phase to the deep state opposition once and for all....

As for this border crisis, I think Gov Abbott and the other Governors supporting him will somehow be shut down. It may get out of control at first but that is just part of the "Shut them down plan" in my opinion.

I'm just speculating of course....

[SilentFeathers]

‘God’s Army’ protest convoy going to southern border for rallies

A convoy of protesters who have deemed themselves “God’s Army” will reportedly make its way to the southern border next week as tensions rise between Texas and the Biden administration.

The organizers of the “Take Our Border Back” convoy say their mission is to stand up against “globalists” who they claim are conspiring to keep the U.S. border open and allow illegal immigrants to cross from Mexico.

“This is a biblical, monumental moment that’s been put together by God,” one of the organizers said on a recent planning call, as reported by Vice. Another said, “We are besieged on all sides by dark forces of evil.”

Article

The language being used is quite telling....it sort of tells us where all of this is going.

[norman]

Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?

[Ratszinger]

Posted by norman (here)
Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?

There won't be an election if it comes to that and if there is one there will be two. The red states will vote for their leader and the blue theirs. I don't expect an election to take place at all at this point though at least not at the time everyone expects it to take place. Biden threatens with the military but he can't afford to send the boys to Ukraine now when he thinks he will need them here and after the way a vast number of military turned their backs on the man the day he was elected when driving by all of them I would not hold my breath he has as much control over them as he believes he does. Strange times.

[ozmirage]

Slave revolts don't end well - remember Spartacus?
However, voluntary slaves need only cease volunteering.
Learn how and when you consented to be theirs, and avoid being drawn into a conflict where "we" lose no matter what.
Remember, their REAL GOAL is to get the sheeple to "rebel" in violation of their consent & agreements. That way, the government can feign innocence.
If FRAUD was used to get your consent, you have the right to vitiate any and all agreements derived from that fraud.
THEN you're not in violation. The government is no longer your sovereign master, but your servant.

(*May or may not have bearing - but - read Ezekiel 18:13 KJV. Every enumerated American with an interest bearing personal bank account is a "dead man walking". Whatever gubmint does to "DMW", no divine wrath will be forthcoming. Whereas if YOU are "out", no longer enumerated and not contracting for usury, "THEY" will be loathe to violate you. You can still call for His protection and receive it. I have only anecdotal evidence to back this up. YMMV.)

[ozmirage]

Posted by norman (here)
Lawyer's opinion required

Can (Red) states that have started a process of secession actually vote in a federal election ?

No state that's part of a PERPETUAL UNION can leave.
Contrary to popular belief, the beneficiaries of the union of States are NOT the citizenry, but the people (who did not consent to be governed). Thus no citizen or servant government can leave the union established to secure rights of the sovereign people.

There never was a “State’s Right” to Secede

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp

Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the UNION SHALL BE PERPETUAL; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

The U.S. Constitution incorporated all the mutual promises of the Articles (via Art. 6), to form a more perfect PERPETUAL UNION.

However, the republican form of government, promised in Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON, incorporates the promises made to the “free inhabitants” in Art.IV, as well as the Declaration of Independence - wherein Americans are endowed with rights that government was instituted to secure - not infringe - except by consent.

Since no state (government) has rights - only delegated powers - they have no "state's rights." The only sovereigns with rights are the non-citizen people, they can't "secede" from an agreement they never made. And the consenting citizens have no endowed rights, having surrendered them in order to exercise political and civil liberties (privileges). We know this because mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights to life, liberty and private property ownership. (Ex: Militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command)
Citizens are subjects of their sovereign governments. . . which are servants to the sovereign people.
Neither can claim the right to secede.

[ozmirage]

Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -

1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?

That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sad to think America has to go to war against not its own citizens, per se, but the entire hoard of illegal immigrants that have invaded their country on behalf of the request made in the name of the President of the USA itself.
Isn't that treason?


This impending civil war is a precursor to a much larger conflict, a world-wide conflict, brewing in the wings.

I have been trying to come to grips with it for a while, and I do not like what side I am tending toward. But the more I think about it the more it seems like that is the only way forward. Namely, that we must unite under one flag as inhabitants of planet earth if we want to play in the big leagues, the interstellar coalition of Federated planets.

We must be one in voice and intent in order to even be considered for membership. The globalist agenda is correct in intent but misguided on the means to achieve it.


Don't want to derail so I'll keep it short, but the pressure for change, under the guise of 'climate change', 'social justice', and 'reparations', amongst others, has a central theme of instilling chaos and societal collapse. It is an organized attack, centrally controlled, and almost perfectly orchestrated by a handful of individuals. They have a seemingly 'crazy' end goal in mind. Why? We have heard the reasons, but really? More control? This handful already enjoy almost godlike control. Money? Don't insult our intelligence, they are already filthy rich. Fear of the uprising of the rabble and feel they must hasten the destruction of the old order on their terms instead. Again, why would they worry, they own everything and everybody.

Ultimately, we are probably talking about alien interference by an intelligence beyond our own. Tangibly, and at the least, we are talking about the UN and its affiliate corporations and NGOs.


So, although America faces a dire moment in its history, it is not alone in the face of a global crisis with catastrophic consequences for all life on this planet. It could even turn out that what happens here on Earth might impact this entire region of space and hundreds of other worlds.

[norman]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

Don't want to derail so I'll keep it short, but the pressure for change, under the guise of 'climate change', 'social justice', and 'reparations', amongst others, has a central theme of instilling chaos and societal collapse. It is an organized attack, centrally controlled, and almost perfectly orchestrated by a handful of individuals. They have a seemingly 'crazy' end goal in mind. Why? We have heard the reasons, but really? More control? This handful already enjoy almost godlike control. Money? Don't insult our intelligence, they are already filthy rich. Fear of the uprising of the rabble and feel they must hasten the destruction of the old order on their terms instead. Again, why would they worry, they own everything and everybody.

Ultimately, we are probably talking about alien interference by an intelligence beyond our own. Tangibly, and at the least, we are talking about the UN and its affiliate corporations and NGOs.

A typical bible believing Christian might say almost the same thing but they'd probably end up in a slightly different place. That is, that the world first has to shake itself out of all this man made organisation ready for the return of Christ and his Kingdom. By definition, that will be a single world order too.

[Satori]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -

1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?

That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

No I do not think they will get the message. The subjects upon which you write, much of which my research discloses to be accurate or arguably so, is too difficult and esoteric for the average person to grasp. That’s part of the dumbing down process that has taken place, right under our noses and with our acquiescence, the past 100 years or so in particular.

[ozmirage]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by ozmirage (here)
Acknowledging the fact that few Americans will take the time to read law, determine that they want to withdraw consent, and actually do it, there IS one other thing you might do to incentivize civil servants.

Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -

1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?

That should suffice, for now.
If millions of polite questionnaires show up, do you think they'll "get the message"?

No I do not think they will get the message. The subjects upon which you write, much of which my research discloses to be accurate or arguably so, is too difficult and esoteric for the average person to grasp. That’s part of the dumbing down process that has taken place, right under our noses and with our acquiescence, the past 100 years or so in particular.

The questions are for the servants who think they're the masters.
Whether or not the sender is completely in the know, the fact that they're asking questions is important.
The questions only have one of three answers:

1. "I don't know the answer"
2. "the truth"
3. "a lie"

The questionnaire is more akin to the innumerable marchers in "V" suits, in V for Vengeance. They weren't "terrorists" but they scared the beejeebers out of the gubmint folks.

The innocent public servants might look into it.
The guilty will probably emigrate to countries that do not extradite to the USA.


*** Anecdote: When I asked polite questions, I often got honest answers.
Ex: If involuntary servitude is unconstitutional, what is compelling me to pay this obligation ?
Their ans : Your duty to pay was established by Congress in the Social Security Act of 1935.

IN case you weren't informed, participation is 100% voluntary, and you can opt out anytime you wish. My favorite reason is that participation is a violation of my religious beliefs. Or you may use fraud as your grounds, since they never disclosed the truth about the program. Or that you were enrolled as a minor without the capacity to consent.

Interestingly, no one I know has ever gotten a response to the question : What form or process do I use to LEAVE socialist insecurity?
Allegedly, if you call the SocSec office, they put you on hold, with "Hotel California" playing in the background. [just kidding]
But if you do leave, do not ever apply for any benefit, etc, associated with that program, because then you've consented AGAIN, and this time, you should've known better.

[ozmirage]

Posted by ozmirage (here)
Write a polite questionnaire to 'your' public servants - - -

1. What revenue taxable privileges are the basis for the government to impose taxes on (a) my property (b) my labor ( c) my transactions (d) and my automobile?
2. How and when did I consent to be governed, thus surrendering my endowed rights from my Creator, and become obligated to perform mandatory civic duties?
3. If citizenship includes mandatory civic duties, how can any American government impose citizenship upon an infant who cannot give consent?

That should suffice, for now.

References:
1. No government instituted to secure Creator endowed rights can tax, regulate nor trespass them. Only government privileges are taxable. And all privileges are voluntary. That's why there's no legal ground to demand no taxation without representation.

2. All mandatory civic duties are limited to citizens who presumably consented to be governed. Non-citizen American nationals have no civic duties.

3. Citizenship must be voluntary otherwise mandatory civic duties would be involuntary servitude, a violation of the republican form, the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment to the USCON.

Yes, you were lied to, but all the facts are in the public record in any county courthouse law library. Ignorance of the law is no defense.

Fomenting a civil war is extremely foolish, when the law is on YOUR SIDE, if you only knew it.