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    Default “Warp Bubbles” – NASA Manipulating Spacetime to Achieve Faster than Light Travel

    There have been hints the past few years that NASA may be on the path to discovering warp bubbles that could make the local universe accessible for human exploration. NASA scientists may be close announcing they may have broken the speed of light. According to state-of-the art theory, a warp drive could cut the travel time between stars from tens of thousands of years to weeks or months. They say they have found a way to configure the hypothetical negative energy matter so that the warping could be accomplished with a mass equivalent to the Voyager spacecraft.

    “What this does is it moves the idea from the category of completely impossible to maybe plausible,” said White in a talk at NASA’s Ames Research Center in 2014. “It doesn’t say anything about feasible. And so, unfortunately, that point usually gets missed a lot.”

    According to recent reports, NASA scientists are currently researching the feasibility of warp drive (and EMdrive and a number of other modes of faster than light travel); however, most scientists think that such forms of space travel simply aren’t viable, thanks to the fundamental physics of our universe.

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    “Routine travel among the stars is impossible without new discoveries regarding the fabric of space and time, or capability to manipulate it for our needs,” says Neil deGrasse Tyson, the “Cosmos famous” astrophysicist at the American Museum of Natural History, said “By my read, the idea of a functioning warp drive remains far-fetched, but the real take-away is that people are thinking about it — reminding us all that the urge to explore continues to run deep in our species.”

    The catalyst for the warp-drive excitement is the Electromagnetic Drive or EM Drive, a thruster that was engineered to steer rockets which eliminates the use of a propellant originally intended for moon missions, Mars missions and low-Earth orbit (LEO) operations.The experiment that led to the possibility of faster than light interstellar travel took place in the vacuum of space.

    According to posts on NASASpaceFlight.com, a website devoted to the engineering side of space news, when lasers were fired through the EmDrive’s resonance chamber, some of the beams appeared to travel faster than the speed of light. If that’s true, it would mean that the EmDrive is producing a warp field or bubble.

    But “How?” If the laser beams are moving faster than the speed of light, then it would indicate that they are creating some sort of warp field, or bubble in the space-time foam, which in turn produces the thrust that could, in theory, power a spaceship bound for the center of the Milky Way or one of its dwarf galaxy satellites.

    The bubble would contract space-time in front of the ship, flow over the ship, then expand back to normality behind it. It’s inaccurate to describe the spaceship as moving faster than the speed of light, but rather spacetime is moving around the ship faster than the speed of light.

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    Harold White and other NASA engineers are trying to determine whether faster-than-light travel — warp drive — might someday be possible. The team has attempted to slightly warp the trajectory of a photon, changing the distance it travels in a certain area, and then observing the change with a device called an interferometer.

    In 1994, a Mexican physicist, Miguel Alcubierre, now director of the Nuclear Sciences Institute at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, theorized that faster-than-light speeds were possible in a way that did not contradict Einstein by harnessing the expansion and contraction of space itself by constructing a special solution to the general relativity equations that described a “warp bubble.” The bubble would shrink space in front and expand it in back, and a starship within the bubble would appear to move at a speed faster-than-light even though it remains stationary.

    For example, writes Kenneth Chang in the New York Times, “Alpha Centauri, the nearest neighboring star system, is 4.4 light-years away. Put a starship in a warp bubble. Shrink the distance in front of the starship to a couple of inches, expand the space behind it to 4.4 light-years and then pop the starship out of the bubble. Voilà! The starship arrives at Alpha Centauri, in less than the 4.4 years it would take a beam of light to travel that distance.”

    “It got me to thinking,” Dr. Alcubierre said, “if there was any way in which you could come up with a geometry of space-time that was similar to this idea of warp drive in science fiction that allowed you to travel faster than light.”

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    Default Re: “Warp Bubbles” – NASA Manipulating Spacetime to Achieve Faster than Light Travel

    Imagine you're driving your auto down the road. You see something in the middle of the road and you steer around it. No problem.

    Now you're in your Warpmobile and zipping across the universe at light speed or faster. A craft from another galaxy pulls out in front of you! How could you possibly steer away from him at those speeds? I know it's a very rudimentary view of an unrealistic scenario, but it's something I always thought about when watching Star Trek. If the vessel is not teleporting, then it's actually traversing the distance from point A to B at warp speed. It's hard enough steering an Formula One race car, but would it even be possible for one of these theoretic ships?

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    Default Re: “Warp Bubbles” – NASA Manipulating Spacetime to Achieve Faster than Light Travel

    The ssp has ftl flight already, nasa is just a storefront display. Ben Rich, the former head of Lockheed skunkworks indicated that the blackops (ie ssp) already had the tech to 'take ET home'. This means that the ssp could go interstellar, which requires ftl craft. And Rich said this in the early 90s, so the ssp has had this tech for decades, and likely for more than half a century.

    This also implies that the ssp has overcome the issue of space debris in the flight path, however that is done.

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    Conk, my guess is that the craft is not moving, it is stationary. It is the warp field that would collide and dissipate. I imagine a warp field collapsing very fast so it is unlikely to rip the craft apart while dissipating. Then all that remains is the relative speed of the interloper - that you got to steer around.
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    Default Re: “Warp Bubbles” – NASA Manipulating Spacetime to Achieve Faster than Light Travel

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    Imagine you're driving your auto down the road. You see something in the middle of the road and you steer around it. No problem.

    Now you're in your Warpmobile and zipping across the universe at light speed or faster. A craft from another galaxy pulls out in front of you! How could you possibly steer away from him at those speeds? I know it's a very rudimentary view of an unrealistic scenario, but it's something I always thought about when watching Star Trek. If the vessel is not teleporting, then it's actually traversing the distance from point A to B at warp speed. It's hard enough steering an Formula One race car, but would it even be possible for one of these theoretic ships?

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    I fully agree. Furthermore I would add: the impact of a dust particle would be tremendous, unless the spaceship has some kind of shield or deflector. By the way, the greatest admissible acceleration or retardation for this propulsion system is another problem ...

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    • World's First Warp Bubble Just Created by DARPA Funded Researchers!


    But were they really the first humans to create a warp bubble, or just the first to record and publish their findings?

    David Pares:
    • The Very First Warp-Bubble Created by DARPA Funded Team:

    • DARPA Funded Researchers Accidentally Create The World’s First Warp Bubble
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    Warp drive pioneer and former NASA warp drive specialist Dr. Harold G “Sonny” White has reported the successful manifestation of an actual, real-world “Warp Bubble.” And, according to White, this first of its kind breakthrough by his Limitless Space Institute (LSI) team sets a new starting point for those trying to manufacture a full-sized, warp-capable spacecraft.

    “To be clear, our finding is not a warp bubble analog, it is a real, albeit humble and tiny, warp bubble,” White told The Debrief, quickly dispensing with the notion that this is anything other than the creation of an actual, real-world warp bubble. “Hence the significance.”



    Theoretical Warp Bubble Structure: Image Credit LSI THEORETICAL WARP DRIVES AND SCIENCE VISIONARIES

    In 1994, Mexican Mathematician Miguel Alcubierre proposed the first mathematically valid solution to the warp drive. More specifically, he outlined a spacecraft propulsion system previously only envisioned in science fiction that can traverse the cosmos above the speed of light without violating currently accepted laws of physics.
    That solution was lauded for its elegant mathematics, yet simultaneously derided for its use of theoretical materials and massive amounts of energy that appeared virtually impossible to engineer in any practical way.

    Over a decade later, this theory underwent a major shift, when Dr. White, a then NASA-employed warp drive specialist and the founder of the highly respected Eagleworks laboratory, reworked Alcubierre’s original metric and put it into canonical form. This change in design dramatically reduced the exotic materials and energy requirements of the original concept, seemingly providing researchers and science fiction fans alike at least a glimmer of hope that a real-world warp drive may one day become a reality. It also resulted in the informal renaming of the original theoretical design, a concept now more commonly referred to as the “Alcubierre/White Warp Drive.”

    Since then, The Debrief has covered a number of physicists and engineers taking their own stabs at designing a viable warp drive, including an entire group of international researchers working on a warp drive that requires no exotic matter. However, like Alcubierre and White before them, the warp concepts of these would-be visionaries all still remain theoretical in nature.

    Now, it appears the situation has changed.

    TIMING IS EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY AT WARP SPEED

    It is often said that timing is everything. Therefore, it is not surprising that back when Dr. White began his latest DARPA-funded research into custom Casimir cavities (a unique, micro-scale structure with all types of promising applications), he definitely did not expect to stumble upon this potentially historic discovery, particularly one supporting a theoretical concept that has often defined his public persona.

    “Some work we’ve been doing for DARPA Defense Science Office is the study of some custom Casimir cavity geometries,” explained White at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Propulsion Energy Forum in August of 2021, an event attended by The Debrief. “In the process of doing that work, we kind of made an accidental discovery.”

    Without going into the complicated physics behind Casimir cavities and the tantalizing quantum-scale forces often observed in these unusual structures, it suffices to say that they are in no way related to warp drive theory or mechanics. At least, they never had been before. But, says White, it is work that he and his LSI team are passionate about, and something DARPA believes has a number of possible applications.

    So, whether by pure coincidence or some sort of personal destiny, it appears that one of the handful of engineers on the planet who would immediately know what it was he was looking at when conducting his Casimir cavity research was in the exact right place at the exact right time to notice a striking similarity to his warp drive passion project and his current research, an observation that may have otherwise gone unseen.

    “I think this is a great example of sometimes you are doing work for one reason, and you find something else you really didn’t expect to find,” said White at the AIAA conference.

    Therefore, in this particular case at least, it seems that timing was indeed everything.
    • Peer Review And Confirmation Of Warp Bubble
    “While conducting analysis related to a DARPA-funded project to evaluate possible structure of the energy density present in a Casimir cavity as predicted by the dynamic vacuum model,” reads the actual findings published in the peer-reviewed European Physical Journal, “a micro/nano-scale structure has been discovered that predicts negative energy density distribution that closely matches requirements for the Alcubierre metric.”

    Or put more simply, as White did in a recent email to The Debrief, “To my knowledge, this is the first paper in the peer-reviewed literature that proposes a realizable nano-structure that is predicted to manifest a real, albeit humble, warp bubble.”
    This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted “toroidal” structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

    “This is a potential structure we can propose to the community that one could build that will generate a negative vacuum energy density distribution that is very similar to what’s required for an Alcubierre space warp,” explained White.



    Proposed Design of Nano-Scale Warp craft. Credit LSI
    • A Proposed Path Forward
    To further evaluate his groundbreaking results and move the research forward, White and his team have come up with a proposed design for a testable, nano-scale “warp drive craft.”

    “Specifically,” said White during the AIAA presentation, “a toy model consisting of a 1-micron diameter sphere centrally located in a 4-micron diameter cylinder was analyzed to show a three-dimensional Casimir energy density that correlates well with the Alcubierre warp metric requirements.”

    “This qualitative correlation,” he adds, “would suggest that chip-scale experiments might be explored to attempt to measure tiny signatures illustrative of the presence of the conjectured phenomenon: a real, albeit humble, warp bubble.”
    White expanded further on that idea in yet another email to The Debrief.

    “This is a potential structure we can propose to the community that one could build that will generate a negative vacuum energy density distribution that is very similar to what’s required for an Alcubierre space warp.”

    When asked by The Debrief in December if his team has built and tested this proposed nano-scale warp craft design since that August announcement, or if they have plans to do so, White said, “We have not manufactured the one-micron sphere in the middle of a 4-micron cylinder.” However, he noted, if the LSI team were to undertake that at some point, “we’d probably use a nanoscribe GT 3D printer that prints at the nanometer scale.” In short, they have the means, now they just need the opportunity.
    There is “no plan to do this currently,” explained White, as “we are laser-focused on the custom Casimir cavities.”

    Nonetheless, after proposing this further path for future research, White and his team have also outlined a second testable experiment that involves stringing a number of these Casimir-created warp bubbles in a chain-like configuration. This design, he said, would allow researchers to better understand the physics of the warp bubble structure already created, as well as how a craft may one day traverse actual space inside such a warp bubble.

    “We could go through an examination of the optical properties as a result of these little, nano-scale warp bubbles,” explained White at the AIAA conference. “Aggregating a large number of them in a row, we can increase the magnitude of the effect so we can see (and study) it.”





    Proposed Warp Bubble Chain. Image Credit LSI CRAWL, WALK, RUN

    Given that DARPA is paying the LSI Eagleworks lab to explore Casimir cavities and not the accidental discovery of a warp bubble, regardless of its potentially staggering implications (at least, not yet), it is not surprising that White and his team remain “laser-focused” on the work at hand. Plus, given the sometimes secretive nature of work funded by groups like DARPA, even if White and his team were planning to conduct the two tests outlined once their current project is completed, it may not be immediately made public until another significant breakthrough is cleared for publication.

    (Note: White confirmed to The Debrief that the current DARPA-funded research is not classified, hence his freedom to publish the warp bubble result. However, the normally forthcoming researcher was more tight-lipped when asked whether or not any future, potentially DARPA-funded work on a nano-scale warp bubble spacecraft might be in the offing once this current work is finished.)

    In the end, especially given the magnitude of this discovery and its potential implications, White believes it is only a matter of time before his mini-warp craft is designed and tested, a milestone that he believes will slowly but surely move the whole process toward the ultimate goal of a warp-capable spacecraft.

    “This discovery allows us to identify a real structure that can be manufactured that will manifest a real warp bubble,” White explained to The Debrief.

    When asked by The Debrief how quickly a successfully-tested nano-scale “craft” like the experimental one his team proposed could be scaled up to something that can actually be flown in space, he offered a more realistic approach to this research, along with an almost poetic piece of hard-earned advice.

    “It is early to ask questions about some type of actual flight experiment,” said White. “In my mind, step one is to just explore the underlying science at the nano/micro scale,” before moving toward a larger craft.

    Or put more simply, as White did to end that same email, “Crawl, walk, run.”
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