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    Quote Posted by Perdido (here)
    You should try Systemic Enzymes.. for Inflammation .. I suggest Vitalzym.. but there are various ones..
    Thanks! Yes, I've been taking that already.

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    For all the seers and dowsers here.

    Try checking for measles (virus) as causative of arthritis.

    Like chicken pox is causative for shingles.
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    What works for dogs? My Yellow Lab, Frodo, is 12 years old. He is getting Glucosamine now.
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    Does Topricin cream work for dogs?
    It's homeopathic, so I can't imagine it can do any harm. But ask them!

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    What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

    Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

    Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).
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    What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

    Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

    Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).
    I was given a tiger balm oil in liquid form when I went to a Chinese acupuncturist. Its soothing to massage in but I haven’t found it to be particularly curative.

    Smashwerx channel has some great mobility drills/self massage type techniques you can do for yourself. He explains the biomechanics of how all the joints work together so you can target specific muscles.


    If pain keeps returning to the area after frequently doing mobility drills, it’s probably an imbalance or tightness in the fascia somewhere else in the body, and the knees are forced into a compensatory pattern. In which case just constantly pounding the mobility drills can actually make things worse long term. Look for a ‘structural integration’ therapist or ‘rolfer/myofascial release’ expert to help identify how silent postural imbalances in the body could be putting the knees into a stressed position.


    Personally, I couldn’t find a structural integration therapist in my area when I was dealing with chronic neck and shoulder pain, so had to find other methods of releasing the fascia, turns out Qi-gong, Tai chi and Nei gong etc are designed to loosen the fascia of the body for overall health, wellness and mobility.

    There is an easier and shortcut method that works really well though, biomagnet circuit therapy helps kick-start your body to rapidly repair and rejuvenate the cells, which can help regrow cartilage and relax the muscles (or even send cancer into remission in some cases).


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    Coconut Oil is a miracle liquid , should be in everyone's first aid chest .
    I been using it for a few days on a sore elbow & its fantastic .

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    What are yalls thoughts on Tiger Balm?

    Also, does anyone here have experience with massaging? I want to massage a knee in particular but I don't know of any proper technique.

    Oh and Bill I think what the guy was saying to you was the legendary 'busted ankle curse' (har har).
    Tiger Balm is great stuff! Highly aromatic and cooling, so depending on what you need, that could be great! But everyone within a 10 mile radius will know you're wearing the stuff.

    I think it's one of those things that tends to offer immediate relief rather than long term repair. And you can use too much and end up with camphor poisoning.
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    An interesting article in the London Daily Mail:
    Humans can REGROW cartilage in joints and doctors say the discovery could lead to treatments for osteoarthritis

    9 October, 2020
    • Cartilage is slow to repair and its break down leads to osteoarthritis
    • Scientists have discovered how proteins in the tissue are created
    • The process is similar to that of salamanders, lizard-like amphibians
    Humans possess a salamander-like ability to regrow cartilage in joints, contrary to popular belief.

    Researchers have found potent molecules in the body which encourage the growth of new proteins in the connective tissue.

    The process is similar to that of salamanders, lizard-like amphibians famed for their remarkable ability to recover from damage to their body.

    Scientists hope the 'inner salamander' may lead to treatments for osteoarthritis, a painful condition that is currently incurable.

    The findings could even pave the way for treatments which help a human grow their own limb back after injury, the Duke University scientists said.


    Salamanders are able to regrow limbs and tissues which have been destroyed

    Cartilage that covers bones is worn down in osteoarthritis patients over the years, resulting in the bones rubbing against each other.

    Cartilage repair is currently very limited because injuries are difficult to heal due to there being no blood supply to the tissue.

    Treatment for osteoarthritis, which affects around nine million people in the UK and 30million in the US, revolve around lifestyle changes to relieve pain.

    Experts believe a superficial boost of the molecules may speed recovery in patients, preventing the thinning of cartilage and therefore reducing joint pain.

    The proteins are produced at different speeds in hips, knees and ankles, which may explain why osteoarthritis (OA) is most common in hips.

    Dr Ming-Fend Hsueh and his team looked at the age of proteins in collagen - a main component of cartilage - in 18 tissue samples of people with OA.

    They were able to spot which proteins were new by looking at how many amino acid conversions they had - the more there are, the older the protein is.

    The findings, published in the medical journal Science Advances, showed the age of cartilage largely depended on where it was in the body.



    Scientists then found molecules called microRNA drive the creation of new proteins inside human cartilage - the same as in animals. MicroRNA works by silencing a messenger RNA, which then inhibits new collagen production by controlling gene expression

    WHAT ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS FOR KNEE OSTEOARTHRITIS?

    The five most effective short-term pain-relievers for knee oestoarthritis (OA) are, in order:
    1. Cortisone injections
    2. Ibuprofen
    3. Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) injections
    4. Naproxen
    5. Celecoxib
    Yet, naproxen is the best overall remedy to both improve joint function and minimise discomfort.

    Hyaluronic acid (HA) injections appear to be relatively ineffective at relieving pain or boosting knee function in OA sufferers.

    The research was carried out by the non-profit health system Dartmouth-Hitchcock, New England.

    Cartilage from the ankle is young, whereas the connective tissue is older in the knee and oldest in the hips.

    It could explain why those with knee and hip joint injuries face the longest road of recovery, while those with ankle injuries spring back quickly.

    This correlation between the age of human cartilage and its location in the body also reflects certain animals, including zebrafish, African fresh water fish and lizards.

    They regenerate limbs at faster rates at the furthest tips, including the ends of their legs or tails.

    Scientists then found molecules called microRNA drive the creation of new proteins inside human cartilage - the same as in animals.

    MicroRNAs are found in higher levels in animals that are known for limb, fin or tail repair, such as salamanders.

    Again, the microRNA activity varied significantly by its location - it was highest in ankles, compared to knees and hips.

    MicroRNA works by silencing a messenger RNA, which then inhibits new collagen production by controlling gene expression.

    Discussing the discovery that cartilage can be regrown in joints, Dr Hsueh said: 'We call it our "inner salamander" capacity.

    'We were excited to learn the regulators of regeneration in the salamander limb appear to also be the controllers of joint tissue repair in the human limb.'

    Senior author Dr Virginia Byers Kraus said: 'We believe that an understanding of this "salamander-like" regenerative capacity in humans, and the critically missing components of this regulatory circuit, could provide the foundation for new approaches to repair joint tissues and possibly whole human limbs.

    'We believe we could boost these regulators to fully regenerate degenerated cartilage of an arthritic joint.

    'If we can figure out what regulators we are missing compared with salamanders, we might even be able to add the missing components back and develop a way someday to regenerate part or all of an injured human limb.

    'We believe this is a fundamental mechanism of repair that could be applied to many tissues, not just cartilage.'

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    This is a fairly informative and extremely complete thread, I have read so far and some of what I used two weeks ago are already mentioned.
    I now use cannabis oil mixed with a cream for veterinary use (to treat bruises on horses and dogs) and a cream with a high concentration of crude oil (petroleum), produced locally.
    In fact, they are just extracted elements and components, a kind of treatment that chooses a fraction from the distillation of oil caught in the temperature range of 100-150 ° C. At a higher temperature, the healing elements evaporate and the oil can have a detrimental effect on the blood.
    The best proved to be is the oil used in the past for gas lamps, not knowing how to translate the entire extraction process.

    But the leaflet mentions only petroleum, and some plants such as "Tamus communis". However, I use it four times a day, in my case, the bearable pain disappears for a few good hours, sometimes until the next day.
    I don't know if I was helpful, but I'm impressed with the cream for animal use is good for me, as maybe also for them , for they are also little "humans"...
    And all this to be just human.

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    Hello Everyone,
    I don’t know if this has been mentioned here and if it has please disregard my suggestion.
    When my husband has severe aches in his wrist or knee I use a castor oil pack on him. It seems to work...he had a really painful knee pain three weeks ago. He had to keep resting his leg straight and at nighttime he couldn’t sleep sideways without a pillow between his legs. I had almost forgotten about the castor oil pack so I didn’t do it till the next evening.
    I just warm up the castor oil container in hot water and then put some on a piece of flannel or cotton put it on the side of the knee where it hurts and bandage. My husband slept good that night and didn’t need a pillow between his legs.
    He was so impressed that the pain had subsided, and within another day of keeping an oil pack bandaged to his knee the pain was gone.
    I also use it for clearing up swellings and bruises.
    I hope this helps and if it’s been covered already then please delete this message.
    Love and Goodwill to all.

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    I had knee surgery back in 2018 to remove my meniscus in my right knee. Afterward during my followup appt with the surgeon, I was told I have stage 2 arthritis in that knee that can only be managed (not treated). As such, I now take daily doses of glucosamine (in addition to the other bevy of vitamins).

    Hope this helps.

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    First I want to note, I have an auto immune disease, and as such, inflammation makes the disease progress quickly...

    While I went to a traditional neurologist originally for treatment, I had a naturalpath Dr. tell me what he believed would help... So I will share those things,

    Pycnogenol
    DMAE
    Co-Q 10
    and open celled Chlorella - blue green algae

    I stopped taking these things, for financial reasons at the time, But coming across this thread has reminded me how much my body thrived when I took them. So much so, that I plan to restart it..

    Those four things not only purged my body of toxins, (and it was note worhy)..

    I want to say, these things made me feel better than anything my neurologist ever gave me... And better than I had felt in years. It was remarkable.

    I have since added more such as the tumeric as noted on many posts here.. And plan to check out the other suggestions that will fit into my new routine... THANK YOU FOR THE THREAD BILL!

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    Turmeric is often recommended for pain and inflammation for people who don't want to take pills (also a good immune booster).
    I've been taking turmeric supplements containing black pepper to make it easier to assimilate for awhile, but the pepper gives me indigestion.
    I recently discovered that fermented turmeric is easier to assimilate, and it's easy to make it at home, so much cheaper than supplements (and probably more effective).

    Here's more info and a recipe from: http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/weekly...cooknart3.html

    "To enhance turmeric’s immune-boosting wallop, ferment it. In five minutes of your time (plus two days to ferment), you can create a base for a month’s supply of tasty and healing fermented turmeric tea.

    Best known for its characteristic bright orange-yellow color and as a signature ingredient in curry, turmeric is the small rhizome (root) of a ginger relative. It has a musky aroma and a flavor that is both slightly astringent and bitter. The active ingredient in turmeric, curcumin, quells inflammation, supports digestion, deactivates carcinogens and prevents the release of histamines in the stomach, which counteracts food allergies. Turmeric also has antiseptic, antifungal and antibacterial properties.

    Studies show turmeric isn’t always easily absorbed and that people with compromised health aren’t able to fully utilize its active ingredients (curcumin and other curcuminoids). So here’s another reason to ferment it: this process makes it easier to assimilate its medicinal properties. A study published in the International Journal of Food Science and Technology found that the antioxidant power of turmeric increases when it is fermented. Fermentation not only concentrates the curcuminoids but also mitigates its bitter flavor.

    You can ferment either fresh or dried turmeric to make a turmeric concentrate that can be stirred into tea. Dried turmeric, which has been cooked and cured, has a milder flavor and aroma than fresh.

    Fresh turmeric is pricy, but a little goes a long way. Look for rhizomes that are crisp and evenly colored. They’ll keep at home for several weeks in the refrigerator. When using dried turmeric, purchase organic turmeric from a reputable source, as nonorganic turmeric may be adulterated.

    This turmeric tea base recipe is such that you can use either dried or fresh turmeric, or a combination of both.

    Fermented Turmeric Tea Base
    Ingredients:

    1/2 cup fresh turmeric or 1/3 cup ground turmeric
    2 tablespoons raw honey
    2 tablespoons freshly squeezed lemon juice
    1/2 teaspoon lemon zest
    1 ounce fresh ginger grated (optional)

    Directions:
    If using fresh turmeric, finely grate it (there’s no need to remove its soft skin). Place the fresh or dried turmeric in a pint jar. Add the honey, lemon juice, lemon zest and ginger, if using, and stir. Note: Initially the honey will not easily mix in, but in an hour or so it readily softens and dissolves on its own. Cover and let rest for a few hours. Stir to blend the ingredients and taste just a little to get a sense of its intense, pre-fermented flavor.
    Cover loosely and leave on the counter for 48 hours to ferment. When ready, the flavors will be tangy and bitter; the fresh turmeric tea base will also be lively and sprightly. The consistency of the fresh will be like marmalade and the dried will be like peanut butter. Refrigerated, the base will hold for several months.
    To make a tea or a tonic from the fresh turmeric base, place a rounded teaspoon into a tea ball or in a strainer and steep for several minutes. If using the base made from dried turmeric, stir a scant teaspoon into hot water or a tea of your choice and drink. By using hot, rather than boiling water, the living enzymes will remain vital.


    If possible, do try to buy fresh turmeric. It contains more turmeric oil, antioxidants, and nutrients compared to the powdered form. And fresh turmeric can be frozen for up to a couple months without any loss of benefits. Obviously, you want to use it as fast as you can. One way to use it up quickly it to put a ½-inch chunk in your morning smoothies.

    Finally, to learn more about the healing powers of turmeric and the best brands of turmeric supplements, I recommend Turmeric for Health (www.turmericforhealth.com) a site dedicated only to the rhizome. Any product they recommend must be certified organic, be a reputable brands, receive outstanding customer reviews, must be safe to use, and easy to find and purchase."
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    I've just come across this thread, so I don't know if collagen has been mentioned...

    A year ago I was seconded to another job that involves hard physical work and some kneeling, and it was killing my knee joints. A friend offered to hook me up to her biofeedback machine and the results were astonishingly accurate about my medical history.

    She said that I was lacking collagen, probably from not eating meat as meat eaters get sufficient collagen through that source, so I found a vegan collagen supplement and have been taking it ever since, twice a day. The results have been amazing and my joints have never been better.

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    Ravenlocke, I think this treatment is specifically recommended by Edgar Cayce, and in fact I believe there is a type of castor oil recommended on his site, although apparently not required. Thanks for the reminder. Diane

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    Ravenlocke, I think this treatment is specifically recommended by Edgar Cayce, and in fact I believe there is a type of castor oil recommended on his site, although apparently not required. Thanks for the reminder. Diane
    Yes thank you Diane for mentioning this because I did adopt this from reading about it in an Edgar Cayce book many years ago. I don’t go to his site but I do use a non gmo, vegan, cold pressed, solvent free etc castor oil (Ricinus communis).
    It’s made by a company called Home Health and the bottle comes with directions on how to make a castor oil pack.
    You can look at the bottle online here
    https://www.iherb.com/pr/Home-Health...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

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    https://gfreefoodie.com/nettle-tea-r...he-gluten-free

    ..my old dog was struggling to get in the car and walking not easy. I started putting nettle leaf in her meat and veg stew I give her...she is now leaping into the car like she was 2 years ago before starting to deteriorate..she is well pleased with herself, good to see..I am taking for my autoimmune arthritis, and noticeable improvement...
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    Default Re: Joints, inflammation, etc

    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    What works for dogs? My Yellow Lab, Frodo, is 12 years old. He is getting Glucosamine now.
    ..see my post on nettles..my 14yo collie, lady, is so much happier now...good luck with frodo

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    Good article Thank you
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