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    Jayke, I took a few days off from the Q threads and focused on the lighter stuff here on Avalon, like the "You must laugh at least once a day" thread (highly recommended). Only to discover this little pearl of irony:

    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Kryztian mentioned earlier that I portray the Q followers as victims. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve never seen us as victims. I’ve said we’ve come under hostile assaults from people lobbing their projections onto the movement, trying to pigeon hole us into their personal label or definition of how they imagine things to be.
    Thanks, that was better than any laughing yoga session ever anywhere!
    Looking for more stand up comedy when you get back.
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    Jayke, I took a few days off from the Q threads and focused on the lighter stuff here on Avalon, like the "You must laugh at least once a day" thread (highly recommended). Only to discover this little pearl of irony:

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    Kryztian mentioned earlier that I portray the Q followers as victims. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve never seen us as victims. I’ve said we’ve come under hostile assaults from people lobbing their projections onto the movement, trying to pigeon hole us into their personal label or definition of how they imagine things to be.
    Thanks, that was better than any laughing yoga session ever anywhere!
    Looking for more stand up comedy when you get back.
    Yes, I quite enjoy that thread also. Laughter and the ability to not take things too seriously are fantastic.

    I typically don't speak on behalf of others, but seeing as Jayke is unable to respond temporarily, I'll just point out that it's very possible for a person to feel that they're being attacked, and simultaneously NOT feel like a victim.
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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Jayke, I took a few days off from the Q threads and focused on the lighter stuff here on Avalon, like the "You must laugh at least once a day" thread (highly recommended). Only to discover this little pearl of irony:

    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Kryztian mentioned earlier that I portray the Q followers as victims. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve never seen us as victims. I’ve said we’ve come under hostile assaults from people lobbing their projections onto the movement, trying to pigeon hole us into their personal label or definition of how they imagine things to be.
    Thanks, that was better than any laughing yoga session ever anywhere!
    Looking for more stand up comedy when you get back.
    To me this looks like a craftily-presented put-down of a member (who provided much excellent pushback content to the thesis of this thread in my view) - and this while the member is unable to respond due to being under temporary suspension for letting other similar needles get under the skin.
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    Jayke, I took a few days off from the Q threads and focused on the lighter stuff here on Avalon, like the "You must laugh at least once a day" thread (highly recommended). Only to discover this little pearl of irony:

    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Kryztian mentioned earlier that I portray the Q followers as victims. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve never seen us as victims. I’ve said we’ve come under hostile assaults from people lobbing their projections onto the movement, trying to pigeon hole us into their personal label or definition of how they imagine things to be.
    Thanks, that was better than any laughing yoga session ever anywhere!
    Looking for more stand up comedy when you get back.
    To me this looks like a craftily-presented put-down of a member (who provided much excellent pushback content to the thesis of this thread in my view) - and this while the member is unable to respond due to being under temporary suspension for letting other similar needles get under the skin.
    To me it appeared that Kyztian was just pointing out the humourous irony contained within that post - I noticed it too when I read Jayke's post and chuckled, but refrained from pointing it out.

    95% of the problems in this realm are due to fallacies within communication ... quite often due to assumptions of intentions, rather than merely asking questions.


    Kryztian, was that a craftily presented "put-down?" - because it could be taken that way, and while I don't think clarification was desired at all, perhaps you could voluntarily provide some clarity on your intent with that post??
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    Kryztian, was that a craftily presented "put-down?" - because it could be taken that way, and while I don't think clarification was desired at all, perhaps you could voluntarily provide some clarity on your intent with that post??
    Perhaps I should have just said less in my post and let Jakye do all the talking. Just wanted to highlight how in a mere four sentences he completely contradicted himself. If he did so intentionally or not, it gave me a much need laugh. Glad to know you got a chuckle too DeDukshyn.
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    I don't know, Bill, what got into you?... sometime after I took almost two years off? Since my return, I have come upon all sorts of posts and quite often, new threads that you have authored that really dig in deep. This thread and your opening post are a perfect example. I will now shift my attention towards the writing of my post.

    I once came up with a "solution" to addiction... one I applied for some years. "The solution to addiction is - Become addicted to everything! That way, you won't be as easily consumed by one of them because you are spreading yourself out. And that is how you can avoid the danger of addiction."

    Eventually I abandoned the advice when it became clear it wasn't solving anything. "Duh."

    OK, so then what? I eliminated activities that fed addictions that clearly harmed others and myself. This means the big ones, the obvious ones. A recent collapse of a two year project, though the impact is financially difficult (and will be for years, perhaps the rest of this life), has provided me the opportunity to step back from the arena within which my last 30 years of "work" has been involved - an industry disguised as entertainment (sports betting) but is parasitical and, of course, exploits the vulnerable and their capacity for addiction albeit "regulated" by government agencies whereby regulations are designed to mitigate that aspect... (or at least that's how "regulation" is advertised).

    Due to my 'devolvement' I was faced with the reality that it isn't only the casino customer (in this case, the sports bettor) that faced the challenge of "gambling responsibly" (as it is sold), but when you are an owner of a sports book, you have a bet on all sorts of events albeit with much better odds than the customers. Still, though... you are gambling. My primary function, once the project opened, was as the odds maker / odds manager. When I withdrew from the project, the requirement I accept a significant financial loss was disturbing, yes. But what emerged far more difficult to deal with psychologically was, the loss of the "action" I had experienced 10 to 12 hours or so a day. Clearly, the physiological elements suggested in the OP as well as all the psychological elements were all present.

    And so what did I do? I am 62... understand. Am I going to have a real chance at striving to rewire what I have built over the course of my life so easily? So what did I do?

    I came out of retirement at The One Truth and started participating in that forum (I believe this was May, 2019). Within a few months, circumstances set the table for my return to this forum.

    One thing I need to insert - Just after I went back to TOT, I somehow came upon a post by onawah... a post I have tried to find again but haven't succeeded so far. The post was about onawah describing why she was taking leave of the forum. Of all the posts I have ever read on this forum, for me, this post was (and still is) my own personal number one post. FOUND IT! (funny how that happens as I tried many times in the past to locate this post and in seconds I find it today) -

    Here it is - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1297909

    She says a lot - a lot that, for me, really hit home. And I bring it up because the things she wrote in this post so very much applied to me and so very much said what I had been avoiding (but knowing) with regards to myself. But the line that hit me right between the eyes was her final line - "I just feel that I need to move into another phase of my life now and try to break out of this addictive cycle."

    And so here I am... reading a great post by the forum founder, recalling (re-reading) onawah's post and seeing how they both overlap. And then I recall my former "solution" to addiction and see that I didn't exactly abandon it, I modified it. No... don't be addicted to everything, just some things, but also, be honest as to what I am, today, addicted to and see if I can be involved "responsibly."

    See, even on forums there's that "uncertainty" factor. In fact, for me, especially in my early days, its relevant and significant. How many "Thanks" might a post get? Not just mine... others. What sort of responses might follow? What about when there's no "Thanks" and no one responds!? Sometimes that's the worst but also... sometimes it is relief because maybe my next post, if someone responds, might be that post that crosses the line that gets me called out, suspended or banned. Or maybe, I start a thread that three years later still gets posted on... aren't I cool?

    And then the friendships that emerged. Well, I always wanted them to be friendships just like friends that became loved ones in my daily life outside these forums and other social media worlds. But my experience has been the same as that which onawah reflected save for one who has moved on from forum life, still... one. So there can be exceptions.

    Yes, my post is rambly too. Yes, as Bill has told me, I sometimes post for the purpose of processing.

    So how does this relate to Q? This was, in fact, the reason I wrote this post... specifically Q. So many of the reasons I feel compelled to explore this Q thing are the same reasons I find myself interested in other subject areas featured in this very forum. I mean... look at the Horus-Ra thread. Uncertainty is completely interspersed throughout the broad subject area of that thread. Is it demons, is it aliens, is it a conspiracy of humans working as a cabal, is it a combination, is it all three? Are they going to get me? Is there really a Satan? Is Satan and Lucifer the same thing? Is it the Demiurge? Are they all three the same thing? Is the god of Christianity the Demiurge? Is there a good God somewhere? Is there no God? Is God just consciousness and thus "not out there?" Is religion "mind control?" Some, yes, some, no? All? Is Monsanto in on it? Is the "vax" cabal trying to kill us? Or at least make us a lesser human species to further the separation between type 1 humans and the rest of us type 2 humans (like me)? Of course, I can go on and on and on...

    At the heart of all this is uncertainty. At the heart of my addictions... all of them is this uncertainty. When I get deep into the philosophy of life and ask the question, why life? Why live? What is the purpose? Is there any meaning to life?

    My answers have become this -

    Question - What is the purpose of life? Answer - To live.

    Question - What is life? Answer - an unbroken, continuous observation of and participation in contrast as experienced by both 'self aware' and 'not self aware' individualized expressions of something... a something that appears to me to be fundamentally consciousness.

    Question - Is there meaning to life? Answer - I cannot know from the point of view of consciousness itself, if it can even have a POV, but if so, I would hope so. And I cannot answer for another conscious agent. I can answer for myself but this answer is true only at this moment. My answer is, Yes. I seek meaning and the experience of meaning all the time.

    Question - What do you think, Sam, is at the heart of your experience of meaningful moments? Answer - For me, the degree of profundity of that which I experience as meaningful seems to have everything to do with the uncertainty of its arising such that when it does, there is an experience of fulfillment that extends to the depths of my being and electrifies me to the core of my soul and, I hope... I sense, beyond.

    So I ask, what would life be without uncertainty? Boring? That would be my answer. So what might be the fuel of the life force? A desire to experience that which we are never certain about? Seems so to me.

    And so Q is (for me) a puzzle and the outcome of it all is a big mystery. I see that for some it is a fun one, an entertaining one, an addictive one - just like life itself. Betting on whether the #2 NFL defense of the 49ers can hold off that powerful offense of the Kansas City Chiefs and score enough to win in the upcoming Super Bowl is a mystery. Studying all the factors and coming up with a side to bet on is a puzzle. The outcome is uncertain. Life is uncertain. Are we addicted to life? If so, is that bad? Good? Necessary? At least necessary for its continuation?

    What goes on in the heart and mind of the being in the midst of a dark night of the soul?
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    I don't know, Bill, what got into you?
    I think it's one fractal of a larger issue — that a LOT of stuff in the so-called alt media is addictive in one way or another.

    That's not always damaging (like people following sporting teams: I'm 'addicted' to keeping up with cricket test match scores ) — but it is damaging when friendships start becoming fractured.

    That's what started to happen here on Avalon with the Qanon material. It cost quite a few genuine friendships. I lost friends, too, despite sitting firmly on my hands for a very great deal of the time while all this material was being discussed.

    No way is the destruction of good friendships a price worth paying simply to keep up with bits and pieces of seductive information. (And often, if the truth be told, being entertained by and becoming passionate about what's being presented on stage, like members of an audience watching a drama.)

    I've said this many times: the fractures that have taken place would and could NEVER have happened if we'd all been in the same room as one another, drinking coffee (or beer) in real time, and listening carefully to what we all had to say. There would have been a ton of hugs and humor and good feeling.

    On the internet, behind the anonymity of usernames and avatars, polarization happens in the blink of an eye. It's dangerous.

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    Yes, and that was at the heart of onawah's post. I would add that in the environment of today, here in the US, it is extremely rare (unless there's a financial benefit at stake) that you find all being in the same room as one another, drinking coffee (or beer) in real time, and listening carefully to what all have to say. There are no hugs and there's no humor as no one gets together here (in the US) anymore. Not to discuss things that are truly important. I am seriously considering moving. But the picture you painted, Bill, isn't found these days in the US. It's more my opinion that this is why the Q threads became what they did. Spillover.

    People who wished they could all be in the same room but no longer could so they tried to have the conversations on social media (Project Avalon being one form of such).

    I live here. I am kind and I used to be sociable until it became impossible here. At least I recognized that surrounding myself with folks I think "think" like me isn't fulfilling in any way... so I am all but isolated. The good news (for me) is I am married to a woman from Medellin who doesn't give a flip about US politics and all the fallout from it. Her view is jaded anyways. Her opinion has been for years, "The government, the politicians, the business owners and the mafias are all the same thing."

    But there's few 'happy get togethers' with coffee or beer between those who have sunk into polarizations and most have. And for the folks here who don't give a hoot either way, they are consumed by an addiction or two and/or watch Netflix, browse shopping websites or spend time on dating apps which, if "dates" are achieved, most often result in meaningless hookups where conversations of depth, if they occur, reveal differences used as excuses to move on... its far more attractive to avoid feelings than to experience confrontations.

    My international friends tell me its much the same where they live too... most of mine being "westerners."
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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    There are no hugs and there's no humor as no one gets together here anymore.
    Sammy, I truly understand. But actually, I really don't think that's true. It all depends what threads we visit and what stories we follow. Those can be habits, too.

    See this, from Ernie late last night — and all the replies so far:

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Please send healing and prayers to my wife, Veldean.

    She is in the hospital on life support.

    She collapsed this morning and was rushed to intensive care.

    Although she has been sick for many months, with no prognosis after multiple tests and specialists, it is still a very big shock.

    I do not know what I'd do without my Valdi girl.


    Also see the thread supporting Hervé, a friend of us all, who was seriously ill in hospital (now back at home with a nurse visiting him every day). A whole bunch of members swung into action to track him down and make personal contact when he went missing. There's a fund for his benefit which now tops $1100, way more than we'd ever dreamed.
    There are high quality threads on gardening, wildlife, remarkable spiritual experiences, meditation, classical music, beautiful imagery, every aspect of the wonderful and varied human condition. It's all right here.

    No-one has to get into fights about Qanon, 9/11, gun control, Trump, Brexit, or anything else. It's a huge buffet of different choices. Anyone can pile their plate high with whatever they like.

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    There are no hugs and there's no humor as no one gets together here anymore.
    Sammy, I truly understand. But actually, I really don't think that's true. It all depends what threads we visit and what stories we follow. Those can be habits, too.
    My failure in not being clearer... I was speaking of here in the US (I will edit the post).
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    There are no hugs and there's no humor as no one gets together here anymore.
    Sammy, I truly understand. But actually, I really don't think that's true. It all depends what threads we visit and what stories we follow. Those can be habits, too.
    My failure in not being clearer... I was speaking of here in the US (I will edit the post).
    Got it.

    Sammy has just made a very generous donation to Hervé's fund. I truly appreciate that. Sammy, I'll be sending you an email today. There are some things I'd love to share with you.


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    The same mechanism of addiction was evident in shows like, "The Walking Dead" which my wife would watch and demand silence during because heaven forbid you make her miss something! Listen they know this! Movements can't start without this mechanism and they can't start a movement without the mass hypnosis tools like TV and mass media to guide and direct the conscious desires of joe public and so forth forth for society. Once they have them programmed to react to the things they use to stimulate them via those tools at their disposal then they can repeat it at will! At this point they have them and they have them hook line and sinker as they say!
    The genius consistently stands out from the masses in that he unconsciously anticipates truths of which the population as a whole only later becomes conscious! Speech-circa 1937

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    So i see that the Q 'followers' are becoming the scapegoats.

    First shadowbanned(out of public side),then ridiculed,and now they are framed as silly junkies.. It looks to me that the most 'addicted' Avalon members projecting their frustrations ,and get a dopamine thrill from feeling superior. Next step is to identify the mentally weak members who could be potential 'cultfollowing suiciders'. Isnt it better to stimulate to stay focused on the research then to be distracted by this insulting generalizing pseudo analysis ? I assumed that Avalon is here as well to wake up & inspire the 'normal' people (;redpill the 'normies') ,to start their own search for the truth. But to me thats the essence of the Qmovement as well! How to learn to think for oneself!

    A happy person has no interest in critizicing others,she just want to inspire and encourage each & everyone to trust their path. We are all divine beings
    Yes, I look at the Qthing critically. I have experienced the brunt of insinuation just because I do so.

    After Simon Parkes, Corey Goode and Shane the Ruiner... and after chasing down rabbit holes (likely dead ends) just because of synchronicity experiences, I not only question everything... and continue to do so, but I more and more value when others allow me the ability to explore for myself what may be true, make up my own mind (and change it when new data suggests I should) without censorship.

    Look at COVID-19 right now as a perfect example of when an authority censors information.

    It is inarguable that China's original silence on the matter and barring external access to information (and the virus) by the world medical experts has created, by some estimates, a global problem 1000% greater (just saw 2000% mentioned) than if they had come clean, been transparent and allowed help from the US CDC and other expert organizations around the globe to get to the outbreak and do their thing.

    Add to that their draconian actions related to outbreaks of the truth by brave individuals through social media in China who later died or disappeared and censorship is clearly a losing strategy at all levels of its implementation.

    ADDED: January 3, 2020, China issued a "gag order" on all hospitals and medical personnel.

    On January 14, 2020 China to the corrupt "W.H.O. organization" that the virus was not transmittable "human to human" yet we know it clearly is. It is impossible to think this information was "believed."

    Read this article for some in depth understanding as to W.H.O., China and WHO's director.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17...eadly-results/
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