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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    In my opinion there are just too many inconsistencies and gaps in logic for this to be genuine. For example, who knows someone who knows someone involved with any of the logistics of this? There must be hundreds if not thousands involved in the manufacturing and transportation alone! Then there's all those who must be involved with it in the aero industry.

    I've asked these and similar questions before. They never get answered.
    Your question is quite silly. Have you ever heard the words "chemical engineering"??

    I chose barium titanate as an example, because it is mentioned quite often in reference to chemtrails.

    Quote Barium titanate is an inorganic compound with chemical formula BaTiO3. Barium titanate appears white as a powder and is transparent when prepared as large crystals. It is a ferroelectric ceramic material that exhibits the photorefractive effect and piezoelectric properties. It is used in capacitors, electromechanical transducers and nonlinear optics.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_titanate


    What about logistics? Just look for "barium titanate powder supplier" ...

    Quote Barium titanate Application

    1 Mainly used for the preparation of electronic ceramics, PTC thermistors, capacitors and other electronic components .

    2 Widely used in the electronics industry, can be used to manufacture non-linear element, an amplifier medium, a computer memory device, but also a lower volume is small, the mini-capacitors capacitance is large. Materials and other components of the ultrasonic generator is also used to make.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    The problem, as I see it, is that people are assuming that the proliferation of chemtrails MUST be harmful to us, this is the shadowy government experimenting with us...but my own take on it is this...there were many atomic tests in the atmosphere (and above).

    What if the spraying of chemicals was in some way connected to these tests and the resulting fallout...the accumulation of heavy metals might indeed come from the original tests (or the subsequent steps to eradicate the effects) and somehow the spraying is an attempt to dissipate this without declaring to the world that they f**ked up and have poisoned the planet.

    Could that also be one of the reasons that the planet appears to have deteriorated so very quickly....then introduce global warming to the population and soon people are blaming themselves for the state of the planet. Sounds like a cunning plan.

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    "Willem was one of the first people in the commercial aviation industry to speak out about the presence of toxic nerve gas (and this has been scientifically documented) and other dangerous noxious volatile organic compounds entering the cabin through the air-conditioning systems in modern airplanes. Not only are we subjected to civil rights violations and vast quantities of radiation before boarding planes, people flying often are treated to a cocktail of poisons, the trillion pound industry hides."

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    I have a good friend who was a large commercial craft engineer who developed chronic fatigue syndrome. He was pretty sure it had to do with the spraying of pesticides inside the craft on a routine basis. Yes, this is common procedure and for sure, it can make people really sick and in that respect Felderhof (if this is what he's referring to) he could be totally correct but...it has nothing to do with chemtrails.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    @silvanelf

    Yes, barium titanate has many uses, and is easily available. But I suspect the quantities needed for chemtrails (plus any other chemicals used) will leave quite an audit trail.

    Like I said, where and by whom is all this stuff being bought, transported, used, distributed? Any why am I not brushing it off my car after "intense chemtrail spraying days"?

    These chemical residues must be everywhere. Easily detected and in significant quantities. In our food, water, soil. Compare modern analysis of these substances with archived measurements taken decades ago and the compare results. That should be fairly easy to do if there's a co-ordinated, international attempt by sympathetic scientists. Evidence gathered, job done.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    Well in that case this must be one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.
    Yes, it is a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy to separate the people who stay indoors on their computers from people who actually go outside and LOOK. It's not so hard, really. Try it.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Yes. I 100% doubt there is a national, or international, arial spraying program going on. I doubt there ever has been, as well.

    I won’t list the reasons why I believe this, as anyone with Google can collect the evidence, but I will add how I come to my conclusions on matters such as these.

    Is there good evidence for aerial spraying? Yes. Not very much, when you actually go to shake the tree, but yes, there are a handful of good pieces of fruit.

    This, however, is not how things work in the real world, as if so, a compelling argument would be all the prosecutor needs to convict literally anyone of anything. A few good pieces of evidence with no context or understanding do not quantify a just case in court. We need to hear from the defendant.

    And the defendant in this case has vastly more good evidence against there being arial spraying, or “chem trails.” Before I believe evidence, even good evidence, for or against something, I look to see the facts of the other side, and the context by which these facts hang in.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    If you would you like to find if it is true, you should chose to think "if it is true why it is happening?"

    Little clue: You need a light source to see

    Day time sun does help us to see, night time artificial lights subsidise sun, for seeing.

    Lizard brains solved night issue with 180 degrees emission, even though light sources with emissions containing blue light may cause eye damage. You can not see anything, if it's CRI (Color Rendering Index) out side of 65- 95 with new lightnings .
    If you will find "the truth" , it won't be with word to word hearing or reading, you need to diggest your knowledge first.
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    Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

    Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

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    Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

    Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.

    Whoa! Mandela Effect! (not really - just joking)

    I do remember straight thin contrails like that, even as a child. Maybe not quite so long, but there were always contrails. They would disappear at the far end, following along behind the plane. It is the huge, spewing, multi-spewed wide trails that seem to spread and NOT disappear, even long after the plane is gone, that have appeared more recently. I cannot say what these are, but I remember first observing them around 2003(?).
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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    I think this thread is about dead. Should it continue, I propose we confine it to personal observation. That's a contribution. 3rd- or 10th-hand speculation isn't really, not in a subject where direct observation is so easily acquired.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    IMO,This video is without a doubt some good evidence/ proof from now deceased, retired u.s. governmental agriculturist in rosalind peterson.

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture I just took, so I made it my Avatar. Full moon, surrounded by a pentagon of chemtrails. Just an average day in North America! Go outside and look, people!

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture I just took, so I made it my Avatar. Full moon, surrounded by a pentagon of chemtrails. Just an average day in North America! Go outside and look, people!
    It's the best I can do with a small snapshot of a photo. (TomKat's avatar)

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Chemtrails, do I still believe in them? The short answer is yes. In fact I saw some the other day that caught my attention, to the point where I found myself snapping yet another photo of them.

    Do I believe they could be used for any of the nefarious purposes listed all over the internet? Of course they could, and many many more.. A few that crossed my mind were

    Cooling of the planet, from the extra rays the sun may be producing,
    Satellite evasion techniques,
    Communication tools,
    Advance cloaking capabilities,
    bioengineering, geoengineering,
    vaccinations from biological and or chemical warfare, or even possibly biological or chemical warfare testing... with inert things..

    if I could come up with these reasons for doing such things you can bet DARPA has as well..
    and the list goes on...

    What we don't know for sure if WHICH one of these things are on the menu when they're doing this. Perhaps they're trying to keep our communications local, we really don't know. But the fact remains those "Streams of lines" keep appearing, even as recently as last week in my area. A huge X directly over the street I was walking on.

    We already know that they use fires to move equipment. Plumes of smoke provide cover for equipment movements from satellite detection.. We know they stage accidents, trigger mud slides, all in efforts to rearrange their arms and weapons systems... they trigger storms, Why wouldn't they use the large canvas above us for possibly any or ALL of these things? I have seen some things in the sky that made me laugh.. I can say I no longer fear them... and that is all I want to publicly say about that.

    It isn't that our government wants to harm us, (Lets hope), as much as we know that if we can do it, so can others, so we better prepare for any eventuality. But lets hope, since we have failed to stop them? That those who approved this, knew that whatever damage they could cause would also befall their families. That is the one thought that helps me to sleep at night when I see such things.. Those dropping them are also affected by them, so there better be a good reason for doing it.

    I suppose for once I want to see the brighter side of something I do not understand. But they're definitely there and they're not natural.
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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Quote Posted by Ayt (here)
    Quote Posted by Kalamos (here)
    Chemtrail in 1979 Mad Max movie! WTF!

    Ha! Someone noticed and made an upload of the scene. Im just watching the movie at home and noticed. Gave me a chuckle.

    Whoa! Mandela Effect! (not really - just joking)

    I do remember straight thin contrails like that, even as a child. Maybe not quite so long, but there were always contrails. They would disappear at the far end, following along behind the plane. It is the huge, spewing, multi-spewed wide trails that seem to spread and NOT disappear, even long after the plane is gone, that have appeared more recently. I cannot say what these are, but I remember first observing them around 2003(?).
    They took movies and added in the chemtrails, I'm highly serious. Read this comment from that video you posted, below.

    "I assume since it has been uploaded to the tube that it is a copy and not a certified true original taken from an original VHS or BETA tape? It appears to be high definition. Lots of cuts to make the scene. Notice the difference in the sky between shots. It is easy to manipulate a digitized version of a movie. Creates a sense of normality doesn't it. Now do keep in mind that airplane pollution trails were indeed in question in the 70's leading to lawsuits that would eventually see the conversion of commercial fleets to using High Bypass Turbo Fan engines that do not produce contrails unless very rare and specific conditions are met."

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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    Chemtrails Exposed
    April 11, 2021
    By Peter A. Kirby

    The following is the complete first chapter from the author’s book Chemtrails Exposed: A New Manhattan Project. Feel free to copy and share generously!

    According to all relevant United States federal government organizations, chemtrails do not exist and are a conspiracy theory. They say the white lines in the sky stretching from horizon to horizon are normal jet contrails. They add that these emissions are nothing but harmless water vapor. So, they are saying that this water vapor can first appear as white lines high in the sky then, over the course of hours, expand as it floats down to earth; first creating clouds and finally a haze. Folks, that’s not how water vapor behaves. That’s how particulate matter behaves.

    Contrails (not to be confused with chemtrails) are visible jet airplane engine emissions resulting from the combustion of unadulterated fuel. Most of the time, jet airplane exhausts are invisible, but when unadulterated jet engine exhausts are introduced into an atmosphere of high humidity (over 70%) and low temperature (below -76 degrees F), a contrail forms. Contrails then quickly (under 10 seconds) disappear.

    Chemtrails are a different animal. Chemtrails are jet airplane emissions which do not quickly dissipate and are not necessarily the product of engine exhausts. They are seen in the sky above our heads on a daily basis. They are the lines in the sky. Your subconscious knows them already. The word ‘chemtrail’ is an amalgamation of the words ‘chemical’ and ‘contrail.’ You could call chemtrails ‘chemical contrails’ or ‘chemical trails.’ The earliest mention of the word ‘chemtrail’ the author could find appears as the title of a 1990 U.S. Air Force Academy chemistry manual.

    The word ‘chemtrail’ is recognized by the Oxford dictionary. It is defined as, “A visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation.”

    The term ‘persistent contrail’ is often used to describe chemtrails, but this term is a politically correct oxymoron which the author uses only to condemn. The term creates confusion. Contrails do not persist. Chemtrails do. The earliest use of the term ‘persistent contrail’ known to the author appears in the 1970 proceedings of the Second National Conference on Weather Modification.

    Lab tests of rainwater samples taken around the world have shown that chemtrails commonly consist of aluminum, barium and strontium. Further, as we will see in chapter 6, a world famous PhD scientist has come forward with rock-solid evidence that the substance commonly being sprayed is coal fly ash – a toxic waste.

    CONTINUE: https://www.activistpost.com/2021/04...exposed-2.html
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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/chapter-9A


    https://legiscan.com/RI/text/H5135/2021


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    • POWER PLANT ADDITION AND MODIFICATION AT(Sanitized) RECEIVER SITE – 1967
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    • PROJECT RAND: INQUIRY INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FROM A SATELLITE VEHICLE – 1951
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP89B00708R000500090002-4

    • BASIC AUTHORITIES AND AGREEMENTS WHICH CIA HOLDS WITH USAF/NRO; RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE NRO ORGANIZATION – 1963
    document_CIA-RDP86B00269R000800060006-1

    • CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS FOR MODIF. TO POWER PLANT & ELECTRICAL DIST. SYST.(Sanitized) (Sanitized) 1971
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP82-00819R000100340005-0

    • THE PURPOSE OF THIS LETTER IS TO FURTHER PROVIDE YOU WITH THE DRIFT SIGHT TEST RESULTS TO DATE AND TO INDICATE A MODIFICATION PROGRAM WHICH WE WISH YOU TO FOLLOW IN CORRECTING THE DRIFT SIGHT MALFUNCTIONS. 1956
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP89B00487R000300640012-0

    • MODIFICATION OF GENERAL PROVISIONS (STANDARD FORM 23-A – June 1964)
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP86-01019R000100050023-5

    • JOINT ARMY NAVY INTELLIGENCE STUDY EUROPEAN U.S.S.R. CLIMATE AND WEATHER 1980
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP79-01144A000200010005-4


    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...-454-2-3-2.pdf

    • ANALYTICAL SUMMARY: POSSIBLE INTERNATIONAL RESTRAINTS ON ENVIRONMENTAL WARFARE 1974
    Link To Full_document_LOC-HAK-454-2-3-2
    • SOVIETS PROVIDE NEW FUNCTIONS FOR POST WWII VINTAGE AA GUNS AND RADARS – 1976
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP78T05698A000200030019-3



    • (Sanitized)EQUIPPED AIRCRAFT (Sanitized) FLIGHTS OVER THE BLACK-CASPIAN SEA AREA IN SUPPORT OF PROJECT OXCART – 1963
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP63-00313A000500070095-6


    • Central Intelligence Bulletin – 1978
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP79T00975A030900010126-9
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00010126-9.pdf



    • Letter to George Bush from Claiborne Pell – 1976
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP78M02660R000300050051-5
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00050051-5.pdf



    • PROSPECTUS Travelers Weather Service1960
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP78-03425A002100020010-6
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00020010-6.pdf


    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP78-03425A002100020012-4
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00020012-4.pdf




    • NOTE TO CONGRESSIONAL LIAISON OFFICE FROM CLIFFORD P. CASE – 1978
    Link To Full_document_CIA-RDP81M00980R001000080009-4
    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00080009-4.pdf







    JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
    Several documents to a follow-up his recent briefing on Soviet research in weather modifications. 1978

    Document_CIA-RDP81M00980R000300020067-4

    JOURNAL- OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
    For copies of North Vietnamese propaganda broadcasts on rainmaking and weather modifications. 1971
    Document_CIA-RDP73B00296R000200050016-8




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    Default Re: Anyone else doubt the Chemtrail Conspiracy?

    I was stationed on a Gas Turbine powered Destroyer. It basically used the same engines in aviation as well as marine applications LM25oo General Electric x4 and the three electrical generators were the equivalent to a DC-10 aviation engine. When in operation it produced a bit of a black smoke/haze in the exhaust. My ship was originally built in the 196os. We had 2 helicopters on board that used JP-5 fuel. I recall in engineering that the fuel quality is absolutely mandatory to check for particulates and water. When we refueled the helos, the pilots check a fuel sample as well for particulates and water. Anything in the fuel that does not belong there is rejected and refueling does not occur.

    Naval Aviation works on a particularly careful set of ground rules. All tools are returned to their place, ensuring no tool is left on the aircraft after maintenance. They are so careful to minimise any unnecessary risks what-so-ever.

    Civilian aviation in the states particularly enjoys a near flawless conduct for decades. It is even expressed that flying was safer than driving a car. This is because the risk is mitigated by trained professionals who follow the best practises every single day.

    What you are seeing is pollution. Until covid slowed down air travel, you were seeing increases in flights from major hubs contributing more pollution. Exhaust from any fossil-fueled engines is laden with chemicals and pollution that are not healthy.

    In the 197os, cities were black and hazy due to heavy commuter traffic and the design of internal combustion engines not regulated to conform to any given standards. I remember driving into the big city in Boston as a kid and the haze was unbearable. I returned for a visit in 2oo9 and the air was perfectly clean. We've come a long way from those old 197os days.

    Most of the places I've lived the air has been ideal. I find myself in Dublin and the air is great and the water reminds me of my best home water where I grew up in Massachusetts as a kid. Ireland has some of the best air and water quality and yet the politicians think they need to do more to this tiny country to keep up with climate change, when the largest protagonists are countries like the u.s., china, and india. Ireland has really done it's part as far as I'm concerned.

    I think the simple answer is - exhaust from combustion engines is indeed pollution. These huge international airports account for increases in activity. There are many ships that use these aviation type engines at sea level with the nominal pollution from their exhaust without any sea level deviations in the realm of typical performance. These engines do not experience the temperature changes at altitude.

    Every flight is carefully measuring in fuel and cargo weight restrictions. A gallon of water weighs 8.3 pounds. Think about that real hard and whether you are a person who travels lightly. Military traffic is obscure and even rare compared to civilian traffic.

    The only aircraft I have seen with nozzles besides crop dusters is at aviation air shows. A little smoke [sometimes coloured] for the thrills.

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