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    I love you all, and don't mean to dismiss any comments. But those who say this virus is fake, please tell me fake how? Its a fake virus? Its a virus that doesn't really kill people? Or it kills people, but no more than a normal seasonal virus? Please be clear, which aspect of this virus is fake?

    I see this virus as highly contagious. The facts bear this out. And this in my mind makes this virus the danger it is. If millions get it, then even 1 percent death rate can cripple the health systems. Thats the problem in my mind.
    but put that aside,

    If fake, then the entire world fell for it. Entire economies, top power people, Politicians ,savvy businessmen who live for money, are loosing money, loosing their life savings and businesses. Owners of sports teams, Mark Cuban, and Virgins Richard Branson to name some, None of these people smell the fake and are stepping up to call it out ? They would rather the ruse continue?

    Who benefits? And whoever it is, then they must of orchestrated it. Who are they, how did they bring an entire planet into line and into this fake? And for what?

    If I could get some clear and compelling answers to this, I might sign on. But I feel there are people that love conspiracies and their minds are drawn to thinking that way as a pre set. Im one of them, and never see things as they are presented. But this is something too overwhelming. When enemies agree, adversaries such as Iran and America sign on , then how is this fake ? No other countries leaders have stood up and called, fake!

    thanks all, love to hear some compelling data to back up the fake virus theory. Not an article, but your own theory. Cause If there is none, maybe we can move past this idea and align on its reality, and how to solve it ? blessings all . d
    by fake, I mean that I dont believe there is some entity/virus that is more dangerous than the normal flu going around the world.

    it's a good point that you say 'why dont more people call it out' - i think this is a thing where they want to save face and not be a contrarian because they have so much to loose. theyre ****ing frauds, in short.

    has Iran really signed on?

    then again, are Iran and America really enemies? I'm not up to date with if they have an israeli central bank yet, do they?

    If they do, then theyre not really enemies, its an act.

    If thy dont, not sure why they wouldnt call it out - I also dont speak arabic yet, so i cant know if they are calling it out.

    Also, they could be given an ultimatum and a gag order to not speak out against it, and if they do, more reestrictions and death will occur?

    Good points Doug.

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    Here's 100% proof the virus thing is fake:
    Phoenix, what does "fake" mean for you — exactly? It's a word that's been bandied around very loosely by quite a lot of people. What you mean by it might not be what readers here think you may mean by it. THX.
    thanks bill you're right.

    by fake I mean that I dont believe there is some entity/virus that is more dangerous than the normal flu going around the world
    Okay, thanks — but what does "more dangerous than the normal flu" mean?

    There may be more cases of normal flu (so far, though the number of Covid-19 cases will rise dramatically very soon), but it's already well-established that the fatality rate is far higher. Hospitals really are being overwhelmed. The last time anything like that happened was in 1918.

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    Here's 100% proof the virus thing is fake:
    Phoenix, what does "fake" mean for you — exactly? It's a word that's been bandied around very loosely by quite a lot of people. What you mean by it might not be what readers here think you may mean by it. THX.
    thanks bill you're right.

    by fake I mean that I dont believe there is some entity/virus that is more dangerous than the normal flu going around the world
    Okay, thanks — but what does "more dangerous than the normal flu" mean?

    There may be more cases of normal flu (so far, though the number of Covid-19 cases will rise dramatically very soon), but it's already well-established that the fatality rate is far higher. Hospitals really are being overwhelmed. The last time anything like that happened was in 1918.
    the fatality rate is higher? there's zero way you or anyone else can know that. all the testing methods have been shown to be crap. this was pointed out in a number of previous posts that you sorta avoided

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    also greybeard said this:

    There will be thousands of unreported cases of this virus.
    People in particular who have had a mild version and following "orders" have stayed home and self medicated.
    They would not have bothered their Dr or phoned a help line so not recorded in statistics.
    So giving a % rate of mortality is deeply inaccurate --flawed.

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    Here's 100% proof the virus thing is fake:
    Phoenix, what does "fake" mean for you — exactly? It's a word that's been bandied around very loosely by quite a lot of people. What you mean by it might not be what readers here think you may mean by it. THX.
    thanks bill you're right.

    by fake I mean that I dont believe there is some entity/virus that is more dangerous than the normal flu going around the world
    Okay, thanks — but what does "more dangerous than the normal flu" mean?

    There may be more cases of normal flu (so far, though the number of Covid-19 cases will rise dramatically very soon), but it's already well-established that the fatality rate is far higher. Hospitals really are being overwhelmed. The last time anything like that happened was in 1918.
    the fatality rate is higher? there's zero way you or anyone else can know that. all the testing methods have been shown to be crap. this was pointed out in a number of previous posts that you sorta avoided
    So tell that to this Spanish doctor.

    He explains that he now has to give patients over 65 a sedative to allow them to die without pain, while younger patients are put on the few ventilators that are available.

    Now read that one more time.

    I understand that your points are meant sincerely, but your beliefs are simply incorrect. I don't mean this unkindly, but you're in denial.

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    Here's 100% proof the virus thing is fake:
    Phoenix, what does "fake" mean for you — exactly? It's a word that's been bandied around very loosely by quite a lot of people. What you mean by it might not be what readers here think you may mean by it. THX.
    thanks bill you're right.

    by fake I mean that I dont believe there is some entity/virus that is more dangerous than the normal flu going around the world
    Okay, thanks — but what does "more dangerous than the normal flu" mean?

    There may be more cases of normal flu (so far, though the number of Covid-19 cases will rise dramatically very soon), but it's already well-established that the fatality rate is far higher. Hospitals really are being overwhelmed. The last time anything like that happened was in 1918.
    the fatality rate is higher? there's zero way you or anyone else can know that. all the testing methods have been shown to be crap. this was pointed out in a number of previous posts that you sorta avoided
    So tell that to this Italian doctor.

    He explains that he now has to give patients over 65 a sedative to allow them to die without pain, while younger patients are put on the few ventilators that are available.

    Now read that one more time.

    I understand that your points are meant sincerely, but your beliefs are simply incorrect. I don't mean this unkindly, but you're in denial.

    I dont speak spanish fluently, so I cant understand what he's saying

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    Can someone please explain to me the reasons why Germany's death rate is so much lower (like 10 times lower) than Itality's death rate? We need very clear distinct reasons. This could help the Italians. Also why is the anti-malarial drugs being suppressed by the press at this moment? It is because they are working?
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    As long as we accept the virus Covid19 as the only reason and source for all the severe courses of disease and deaths irrevocably, with no place for questioning it, many other questions are avoided. Why Italy (or Spain), why Lombardy? What are people dying from if it was not the virus? From which combination of factors, which one would be the most critical? Why not explore other explanations simultaneously until they can be discarded for good.

    The virus has mutated, there are different strains, some are more lethal . . . that‘s just not enough of an explanation, too vague. All questions must be allowed to be asked and considered seriously imo, otherwise we can stop it all and just gratefully take what the governments are providing.

    Well I know, I‘m in denial, too.

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    Can someone please explain to me the reasons why Germany's death rate is so much lower (like 10 times lower) than Itality's death rate? We need very clear distinct reasons. This could help the Italians. Also why is the anti-malarial drugs being suppressed by the press at this moment? It is because they are working?
    ICU bed capacity and amount of ventilators come to mind (don't have official #s but they're huge in comparison to Italy's #s). Someone keep me honest on that. Sadly, Italy's medical system is so overwhelmed at the moment that not only do they need more equipment and capacity to receive these severe cases, they also need more healthcare professionals. The Anti-malaria drug effectiveness isn't being suppressed by the media, but more downplayed by medical professionals since at this point its only anecdotal evidence at best with no real studies or data to show its true effectiveness.

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    Here's another commenter from Rappoport's site. What can I say, some bright people there too.

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

    This might have some relevance to the Italian situation. A couple of the links are in Italian so... break out your Berlitz.


    George says:
    March 24, 2020 at 8:42 am

    Italy adopted mandatory vaccination law in march 2019…In January 2020, they vaccinated over 34,000 people in Lombardia, Bergamo and Brescia, – meaning 70% of the population from Lombardia, Bergamo și Brescia, zona Basso Sebino și Grumello

    https://tinyurl.com/ssbq6sv

    Could those vaccines be contaminated with COVID-19? Studies say it can be done

    https://tinyurl.com/w5wt9kv

    COVID-19 is transmitted only from human to human and has an incubation period of 3-4 weeks, which was exactly the period from the end of the vaccination campaign in Lombardy in January to the outbreak of coronavirus cases in the exact same area that became then the European outbreak. We know that vaccinated people are the first viruses carriers, being contagious and endangering the health of the unvaccinated

    https://tinyurl.com/tlpjt8r

    We also know that the flu vaccination for which, in Italy, there have been persistent campaigns lately, increases the risk of contracting other viruses (among them Covid-19), a phenomenon known as virus interference.Below is the conclusion of the study signed by Greg G. Wolf “Influenza Vaccination and Respiratory Virus Interference on US Army Staff in the 2017-2018 Influenza Season”

    Conclusions: Examination of viral interference of specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Laboratory data from our study showed increased chances of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus disease in influenza vaccinated persons. On the other hand, at the same vaccines, significant protection was observed, besides influenza viruses, parainfluenza or RSV.

    https://tinyurl.com/st4q43x
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    Can someone please explain to me the reasons why Germany's death rate is so much lower (like 10 times lower) than Itality's death rate? We need very clear distinct reasons. This could help the Italians. Also why is the anti-malarial drugs being suppressed by the press at this moment? It is because they are working?
    Germans are more compliant than many other countries when they are asked/told to stay in they generally will comply. Apparently, so far the virus has been in the younger population. Also, Germany has good health care with decent amount of beds for treatment.

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    Can someone please explain to me the reasons why Germany's death rate is so much lower (like 10 times lower) than Itality's death rate? We need very clear distinct reasons. This could help the Italians. Also why is the anti-malarial drugs being suppressed by the press at this moment? It is because they are working?
    Germans are more compliant than many other countries when they are asked/told to stay in they generally will comply. Apparently, so far the virus has been in the younger population. Also, Germany has good health care with decent amount of beds for treatment.
    It’s an old opinion about the Germans (also quite some foreigners live here nowadays). Yet until 8 days ago still many many people were out and in close contact.

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    Wegge
    Would you say the Germans, immigrants and foreigners are about as compliant as the rest of Europe? On par with Spain or Italy? If that is the case then why are we seeing such a low death rate in Germany? I stay in fairly close contact with friends in Germany and they have convinced me that the German population is taking the virus very seriously and for the most part staying home.
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    UPDATE on progress of our machine that was ordered from Luohe, China to Idaho via Fedex:

    Dec 11, 2019 -- Ordered the machine through Alibaba. Alibaba then required additional credit card and personal information which was provided. Alibaba continued to refuse to accept the order after numerous attempts to order.

    Jan 15, 2020 -- We finally gave up on Alibaba since they made it impossible to order the machine through their website. We had to order directly from Luohe Orange Mechanical Equipment Company using one of their PayPal accounts. Machine was ordered on Jan 15th but we were informed that the company had just gone on the Chinese New Year holiday and would be back to send out our order on February 1.

    Feb. 9, 2020 -- We were informed by the factory sales rep that the factory would not be back to work until the 18th of February due to their "special time" [aka, coronavirus outbreak].

    Feb. 23, 2020 -- We were informed that the factory was back to work and they were putting our order together. We were subsequently informed that they did not have our specified electrical plug in stock and that the factory that made those specific plugs was not yet back to work. We then told them to skip the plug and send it out as is (without the plug which is readily available in the US).

    March 5, 2020 -- The factory sent a picture of the machine in a wooden crate ready to be shipped out.

    March 9, 2020 -- The factory informed us that the machine had been sent out and gave us the Fedex tracking number that showed that the machine was in Dongguan, China.

    March 10, 2020 -- Machine in Guangzhou, China.

    March 11, 2020 -- Machine was flown to Honolulu and awaiting customs clearance but Fedex made it very difficult to get information on what forms and information that customs required.

    March 13, 2020 -- Machine had cleared customs "International shipment release--Import". There were no customs duty charged by the US for our imported machine.

    March 14, 2020 -- Fedex tracking stated that our machine would arrive in Idaho on Monday, March 16th. However, the shipment was delayed in Honolulu. At this point Fedex kept changing the tracking data in contradiction to their previous tracking data and apparently the machine arrived in Oakland, CA ~March 15.

    March 19, 2020 -- Fedex tracking still showing the machine is delayed in Oakland, CA, with no delivery date -- "No scheduled delivery date available at this time."

    The air shipment of our machine was originally only supposed to take 6 days. The interruptions and delays in Fedex services are understandable under the circumstances. The problems with Alibaba not accepting payment in December is not understandable (WTF?)

    ZeroHedge's Cov-19 Update today reported the following from Jeffrey Kleintop:

    Is China a leading indicator for the rest of the world as COVID-19 runs its course?
    *FEDEX SAYS CHINA DEMAND HAS REBOUNDED MORE THAN EXPECTED
    *FEDEX SAYS 90-95% OF LARGE CHINESE MANUFACTURERS BACK OPERATING
    *FEDEX SAYS 65-70% OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN CHINA OPERATING AGAIN
    UPDATE: The machine from Luohe, China finally arrived today, March 20, 2020! It was ordered on Jan 15th but the Chinese holiday and virus situation delayed it. The air freight took two weeks instead of six days.
    An email was just received from the sales rep from the factory in Luohe, China that we have been dealing with and she said: "... if you need face masks, please contact me. I will help to purchase." So it appears that China is open for business now. However, I would imagine that the world will soon be flooded with masks, etc.

    This excerpt from today's ZeroHedge:
    China stepped in.

    On March 12, China sent to Italy a team of nine Chinese medical staff along with some 30 tons of equipment on a flight organized by the Chinese Red Cross. The head of the Italian Red Cross, Francesco Rocca, said that the shipment "revealed the power of international solidarity." He added:

    "In this moment of great stress, of great difficulty, we are relieved to have this arrival of supplies. It is true that it will help only temporarily, but it is still important. We have a desperate need for these masks right now. We need respirators that the Red Cross will donate to the government. This is for sure a really important donation for our country."

    In recent days, China has also sent aid to:

    Greece, March 21. An Air China plane carrying 8 tons of medical equipment — including 550,000 surgical masks and other items such as protective equipment, glasses, gloves and shoe covers — arrived at Athens International Airport. The Chinese Ambassador to Greece, Zhang Qiyue, referred to words by Aristotle: "What is a friend? A single soul living in two bodies." He said that "difficult times reveal true friends" and that China and Greece are "working closely together in the fight against the coronavirus." This, he said, "confirms once again the excellent relations and friendship between the two peoples."

    Serbia, March 21. China flew six doctors, ventilators and medical masks to Serbia to help Belgrade halt spreading of the coronavirus infection. "A big thank you to President Xi Jinping, the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese people," said Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic. China's ambassador to Belgrade, Chen Bo, said the aid was a sign of the "iron friendship" between the two countries. The Chinese news agency Xinhua reported: "President Xi attaches great importance to the development of China-Serbia relations, and believes that through the joint battle against the epidemic, the two countries' time-tested traditional friendship will gain more hearty support from their people, and their comprehensive strategic partnership will grow deeper and rise to a higher level.

    Spain, March 21. The founder and president of the Chinese technology company Huawei, Ren Zhengfei, donated one million face masks. They were expected to arrive at Zaragoza Airport in northeastern Spain on March 23. The masks will be stored at a warehouse belonging to the Spanish apparel retailer Zara. From there, Zara will put its logistics network at the service of the Spanish government. This shipment could be the first of several, as dozens of Chinese suppliers that have worked with Zara for years are reportedly showing a willingness to send material. The United States has warned Spain about the security risk inherent in opening its fifth-generation communications networks to Chinese mobile technology providers, including Huawei.

    Czech Republic, March 21. A Ukrainian cargo plane reportedly carrying 100 tons of medical supplies from China arrived at the airport in Pardubice, a city situated 100 kilometers east of Prague. On March 20, a Chinese plane carrying one million masks arrived in the Czech Republic, which reportedly ordered another 5 million respirators from China along with 30 million masks and 250,000 sets of protective clothing.

    France, March 18. China sent to France, the second-most powerful country of the European Union, a batch of medical supplies, including protective masks, surgical masks, protective suits and medical gloves. The Chinese Embassy in France tweeted: "United we will win!" The following day, China sent a second batch of supplies. The Chinese Embassy tweeted: "The Chinese people are next to the French people. Solidarity and cooperation will allow us to overcome this pandemic."

    The Netherlands, March 18. China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines and Xiamen Airlines, codeshare partners with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, donated 20,000 masks and 50,000 gloves. The shipment arrived at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol on a Xiamen Airlines flight. "These are extremely difficult times for our country and our company, so we are very happy with this help for KLM and for the Netherlands," KLM CEO Pieter Elbers said. "Less than two months ago, KLM made a donation to China and now we are being helped so wonderfully and generously."

    Poland, March 18. The Chinese government pledged to send Poland tens of thousands of protective items and 10,000 coronavirus test kits. On March 13, the Chinese Embassy in Warsaw sponsored a videoconference during which experts from China and Central Europe shared their knowledge on tackling the coronavirus. Police Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz thanked China for its support and stressed the need for continued cooperation with Beijing, including sharing experience in combating the pandemic.

    Belgium, March 18. A Chinese cargo plane carrying 1.5 million masks landed at Liege Airport. The masks, which will be distributed to Belgium, France and Slovenia, were donated by Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, a Chinese ecommerce giant known as the "Amazon of China."

    Czech Republic, March 18. A plane carrying 150,000 test kits for coronavirus landed in Prague. The Ministry of Health paid about CZK 14 million ($550,000) for 100,000 testing kits, while another 50,000 kits were paid for by the Ministry of the Interior. Transport was provided by the Ministry of Defense.

    Spain, March 17. A Chinese plane carrying 500,000 masks arrived at Zaragoza Airport. "The sun always rises after the rain," Chinese President Xi Jinping told Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez. He said that the friendship between China and Spain will be stronger and bilateral ties will have a brighter future after the joint fight against the virus. Xi said that after the pandemic, both countries should intensify exchanges and cooperation in a wide range of fields.

    Belgium, March 16. Another shipment of medical supplies donated by the Jack Ma Foundation and Alibaba Foundation for epidemic prevention in Europe arrived at Liege Airport.
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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Here's another commenter from Rappoport's site. What can I say, some bright people there too.

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

    This might have some relevance to the Italian situation. A couple of the links are in Italian so... break out your Berlitz.


    George says:
    March 24, 2020 at 8:42 am

    Italy adopted mandatory vaccination law in march 2019…In January 2020, they vaccinated over 34,000 people in Lombardia, Bergamo and Brescia, – meaning 70% of the population from Lombardia, Bergamo și Brescia, zona Basso Sebino și Grumello

    https://tinyurl.com/ssbq6sv

    Could those vaccines be contaminated with COVID-19? Studies say it can be done

    https://tinyurl.com/w5wt9kv

    COVID-19 is transmitted only from human to human and has an incubation period of 3-4 weeks, which was exactly the period from the end of the vaccination campaign in Lombardy in January to the outbreak of coronavirus cases in the exact same area that became then the European outbreak. We know that vaccinated people are the first viruses carriers, being contagious and endangering the health of the unvaccinated

    https://tinyurl.com/tlpjt8r

    We also know that the flu vaccination for which, in Italy, there have been persistent campaigns lately, increases the risk of contracting other viruses (among them Covid-19), a phenomenon known as virus interference.Below is the conclusion of the study signed by Greg G. Wolf “Influenza Vaccination and Respiratory Virus Interference on US Army Staff in the 2017-2018 Influenza Season”

    Conclusions: Examination of viral interference of specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Laboratory data from our study showed increased chances of coronavirus and human metapneumovirus disease in influenza vaccinated persons. On the other hand, at the same vaccines, significant protection was observed, besides influenza viruses, parainfluenza or RSV.

    https://tinyurl.com/st4q43x
    wow, bombshell!

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    Just a short update how Sweden is doing.

    Nothing is yet closed, only real restriction is... wait for it... Only table-orders allowed at restaurants. Take-home all OK. Amount of cases haven't hit the "start" mark yet and all cases can be related to returning home individuals coming from Italy thus far.
    People go to work and move about mostly normally, but they are more cautious. Nothing at all close to the reactions of any of our neighbours. Schools are limited to over-the-net teaching.
    The officials are downplaying the need for any out of the ordinary restrictions. Just don't gather around too much but no limits or enforcements put in place if you go out of your way to congregate.

    They are not taking this "seriously". But I'm thus far fine if they keep up it like this. Most relaxed reaction to this issue in this country compared to all others. No over the top totalitarian papers needed with the risk of fines or imprisonment like Italy, France, Spain & UK.

    It's like they are behind it and know nothing serious is needed to be done. Lets just watch the others go totalitarian.

    You are encouraged to go out and move in the spring sun shining outside.

    EDIT: A article describing it:
    https://www.thelocal.se/20200324/whi...ng-its-own-way
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    Quote Posted by Kamikaze (here)
    Just a short update how Sweden is doing.

    Nothing is yet closed, only real restriction is... wait for it... Only table-orders allowed at restaurants. Take-home all OK. Amount of cases haven't hit the "start" mark yet and all cases can be related to returning home individuals coming from Italy thus far.
    People go to work and move about mostly normally, but they are more cautious. Nothing at all close to the reactions of any of our neighbours. Schools are limited to over-the-net teaching.
    The officials are downplaying the need for any out of the ordinary restrictions. Just don't gather around too much but no limits or enforcements put in place if you go out of your way to congregate.

    They are not taking this "seriously". But I'm thus far fine if they keep up it like this. Most relaxed reaction to this issue in this country compared to all others. No over the top totalitarian papers needed with the risk of fines or imprisonment like Italy, France, Spain & UK.

    It's like they are behind it and know nothing serious is needed to be done. Lets just watch the others go totalitarian.

    You are encouraged to go out and move in the spring sun shining outside.
    how open is sweden's immigraion policy? XD

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    Quote Posted by Phoenix (here)

    how open is sweden's immigraion policy? XD
    We have seen politicians going out of their way to themselves involve themselves to bring people over down in the Mediterranean, Organizing and financing really this stuff everyone is so up in their ears about.
    Though it's settled down for the moment as it went out of order a couple years back I think. They realized they were too eager to push it along. There are some too happy people around here.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    He explains that he now has to give patients over 65 a sedative to allow them to die without pain, while younger patients are put on the few ventilators that are available.
    I understand that your points are meant sincerely, but your beliefs are simply incorrect. I don't mean this unkindly, but you're in denial.
    I believe the factors that contribute to that epidemic outbreak in Italy vs. for example a much smaller death rate in Germany and South Korea are the following:

    1.) The Italian health system is 3rd rate, always was, from the very start.
    if you carefully study this document you will find death rates of up to 43% (!!) for the seasonal flu there for patients in the age range that now die in Italy of Covid19

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...TsBBMbO_AwzVAY

    2.) This particular virus has a R0 that is 2.5 times that of flu meaning people get infected 2.5 times FASTER, which can easily overwhelm a bad health system that is under staffed and under equipped

    3.) it is absolutely correct to state that nobody can know the true death rate today. that can only be gauged (if at all) after the fact, when all numbers are in. Right now the estimated errors vary between 5x and 20x the "offical" numbers which represent the tested only. That also does not reflect the fact that the test used today is only a test for a "piece of RNA" from the virus, it is not an antibody test (we do not yet have those). these tests are VERY inaccurate, again, depending on whom you ask it is 65% - 88% accurate meaning in a worst case 1/3 of the tests are WRONG NEGATIVES (wrong positives are much more rare but wont change the statistics).

    4.) Finally, as you mentioned, elderly die en masse, as they always do IN ITALY DURING FLU SEASON, so nothing new here. why in previous years this fact never made the news is anybodies guess.

    5.) Germany, as mentioned before, has kept the death rates consistenly below 0.3%, mostly near 0.2% - although only very recently the government has ordered a lockdown (which isnt really a lockdown as people can still leave their homes if they are not in groups over 2 people). here are the numbers of the german CDC which is called robert koch institute:
    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...allzahlen.html

    I understand that your points are meant sincerely, but your beliefs are simply incorrect. I don't mean this unkindly, but you're not well enough informed.

    Goba

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