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    GREGG BRADEN - THE FAKE NEWS ABOUT CORONAVIRUS: What The World Needs To Know About COVID-19

    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    EVERYTHING IS CORONAVIRUS! Will Covid-19 Destroy The World Economy As We Know It? | David Icke



    I agree totally with what David Icke is saying.
    In fact, I and others have said the same thing on this thread.

    If necessary keep the vulnerable at home -- target the help on them.
    let the rest of us go on buisness as usual.
    Getting this virus will strengthen the immune system, then we will survive next years version even better.
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    Last edited by greybeard; 30th March 2020 at 03:41.
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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Let's look at India with a population of 1.3 billion people. They have allegedly had 27 deaths due to Covid-19, yet their Prime Minister just declared a lockdown of the entire country, closing businesses and telling people to stay home for three weeks.

    Approximately 660,000 people die each year in India due to the seasonal flu.
    Contrast that to 27 people who have died so far from Covid-19.
    It just doesn’t make any sense at all.

    Have a look at this sad article:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/w...-migrants.html

    Yes it’s unprecedented and difficult measure to take but it’s purely preventative in this case because if Covid gets here it would take people down by thousands a day,
    namely poor people who are chronically malnourished by generations of famines during the colonial rule, India is now recovering economically in light speed pace,

    on all levels leaping to “modern age” nonetheless there are still millions of people already in poor health and situation, struggling with their daily work and life for whom hygienic conditions, safe house and food became mass priority now.

    Medical system is very advanced in India, based in some leading research trends competing worldwide but ..social care and health care insurance only emerged through past decade, being a huge improvement here.
    In earlier days having a surgery could ruin your family for years as expenses were agreed on and covered mostly by patients.

    So we are technically under lock down, save for 3 hours a day allowed for shopping and essential errands.

    The fear of “what will happen then” or “what may happen” is logical as ordinary people can’t predict how long is it all going to take really, depending on global situation.

    So far, much has been prevented already and it’s generally easier to extinguish a campfire than wildfire taking all forest down.


    In my opinion the viral transmission gets over its peak by our joint efforts in the first half of April and we will see descending numbers till it will be situation in control
    or ..we are getting through in few months in which case those who did not die of Covid will die of hunger


    Back to my prayers 🙏🌟🙏

    May everyone recover from sufferings, Godspeed ..

    -no tension-

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    Quote Posted by DeeMetrios (here)
    Hello Bill .
    Im wondering why the megacities in China like Shanghai & Beijing are not hotspots & in the front pages of news worldwide with miriads dying ?
    What about Wuhans neighbouring provinces ?
    All the news is about Italy , NYC & Spain .
    Are they immuned from it over their !
    Well, I can answer the question in this way. The statistics screenshotted here were from 24 March, 6 days ago.

    Of course, Italy's numbers have continued to grow exponentially, while China's have pretty much stayed exactly the same. Italy's reported cases right now are over 97,689, China's almost frozen at 81,470.

    The two images below tell their own story. A junior high school kid could see there's something wrong with this picture.




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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Live chat with Peak Prosperity.

    The solution is becoming clear:

    Can someone make a case why we should trust information disseminated by WHO or anything they publish? Or by CDC for that matter?

    I appreciate Chris Martenson's videos and believe he is earnest and sincere, but it would seem to me his achilles heal is an almost religious reliance on unvetted statistics from the WHO and CDC and his blind zealotry of the high priests of technocracy.

    I wish I wasn't so jaded, but I wouldn't trust the WHO to change my nine-year-old son's band-aid.
    Friendly mod note from Bill: You might want to edit your post (and do by all means remove this note from me, as well) if you watch the whole video!
    yep, i feel the same way, bill for some reason is drunk on the same spell too..
    You're a poor researcher. You never watched the video. Chris Martenson is scathing about the WHO.

    The numbers from https://worldometers.info/coronavirus don't come from the WHO. They're reported in separately. Visit the site, click this link and see what you get.

    The John's Hopkins figures are almost always slightly different. There's no standardization of the statistics.


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    The confusion about this all has pushed me to the point where I am no longer interested in being connected to the internet any longer. I am just going focus on my immediate situation, in my home, with my family. This is all driving everyone mad, and maybe that's the point of it all.
    Last edited by vizon; 30th March 2020 at 15:05.

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    PREPARE FOR WAR: Trump activates one million military reservists as nation prepares for mass combat casualties – NaturalNews.com
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-...ronavirus.html
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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    PREPARE FOR WAR: Trump activates one million military reservists as nation prepares for mass combat casualties – NaturalNews.com
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-...ronavirus.html
    While I am not buying what Mike Adams is selling these days, here is news he could use to support his ideas, perhaps:

    https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/st...789182464?s=20



    and

    Pentagon Orders Essential Staff To Deep Underground Mountain Bunker As Pandemic Prep Escalates


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-pandemic-prep
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    If necessary keep the vulnerable at home -- target the help on them.
    let the rest of us go on buisness as usual.
    Getting this virus will strengthen the immune system, then we will survive next years version even better.
    Chris
    What if it doesn't, though? What if this works like lyme or lupus or any number of auto-immune disorders? What if this develops into something like COPD?

    We're seeing indications that either people can get it a second time, hence no immunity was built up in the first place, or maybe they never got fully over it in the first place. Either way at least in some cases, it's not something you get and then get over with immunity for the next time.

    That's one reason why I say this virus isn't following script. It doesn't just kill people and move on. It settles and sticks, and it doesn't move on--and hospitals are overloaded and that becomes the thread that unravels everything.

    And what happens when the next wave comes? If everyone has been made susceptible with long-term lung damage, and the hospitals and economies are still reeling from the first wave, what happens then?

    I don't know about U.K., but I think D.C. is going to crash and burn because they can't, or won't, get their act together. They are spending way too much energy fighting each other and trying make sure their "side" comes out on top instead of taking care of the country.

    Those places that do come out better will be because they took strict measures and helped each other. It does not have to be health or the economy.
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    There is a lot of differing opinions at the moment in regards to Covid-19 on this thread but I think this something most will agree upon.

    "WHO's Tedros Adhanom Should be Tried for Crimes Against Humanity"

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    Not sure this has been posted but paints a pretty grim picture in Spain...



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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)



    Below is summary of this video:
    • Asymptomatic speaders responsible for the majority of new cases
    • The WHO continues to pump out inexplicably bad communications and ought to be defunded
    • 86% of COVID-19 cases remain undocumented, which implies countries need to get 11% of population infected to achieve herd immunity, or 35 million for the US
    • Everyone shoud wear a mask to 1) stop symptomatic and asymptomatic spreaders 2) help us not touch our faces 3) contract the infection in small doses


    Quote Universal mask-wearing is the most overlooked COVID-19 lifesaver
    😷
    Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks.
    We need universal mask-wearing to aid in lowering COVID-19's virality.

    Let's promote mask-wearing culture to lower COVID-19 infections.
    Anything that prevents aerosolized viruses from being transmitted person-to-person will lower COVID-19's infection rate 5.

    Wear a mask when outside of your home to avoid lingering aerosolized virus droplets3.
    N95 masks are better than surgical masks, but anything that prevents breathing in moisture partials with viruses helps. 4
    We need hard data that show a direct effect of a strong mask-wearing culture to lower COVID-19 virality. We only have anecdotal research at this point.
    Going in public without a mask in a pandemic is like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You don't look cool. People see you and think you don't value your life.
    Promote research that shows the benefits of wearing masks. Research
    Start promoting universal masks-wearing at the local level. Encourage your neighbors, apartment building, and city government to wear masks.

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    Quote Posted by DeeMetrios (here)
    Im wondering why the megacities like Shanghai & Beijing are not hotspots ?
    What about Wuhans neighbouring provinces ?
    All the news is about Italy , NYC & Spain .
    Are they immuned from it over their !
    I think, from what seeped through the news anyway it is because they ordered and forced shut down in many Chinese provinces where people travelled to their families during the Chinese New Year,
    consequently all big cities were under lock down.

    It was a civil operation so to say but civil law applied in China = military regime. The police have the power to arrest anybody without a letter and detain people for indefinite amount of time, sometimes without reasons given.
    People can be “disappeared” for years by the system or forever.

    That said the law is so tough that few people can care to seriously disobey the law. It’s a fear based military system.
    It’s weaponry arsenal is mostly underground and said to be 10 times bigger than numbers admitted.

    When Madrid and London and other European and US mehacities were placed under the first curfews, there were still thousands of people out there, gathering, dancing, singing out of windows and enjoying the “reaction”.

    So in many ways we all are victims to our respective mentalities, give or take.


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    Apologies if this has been posted before. I think this is important information for anybody who is wondering how the "new normal" after the outbreak is going to look like.

    And it shows how deep the World Economic Forum is involved. The Event 201 pandemic exercise simultaneously with the release of the virus hosted by the same people who built this complex website model? These are massive dots to connect. How long did it take to build this complex website? Is it run by AI?

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)



    Below is summary of this video:
    • Asymptomatic speaders responsible for the majority of new cases
    • The WHO continues to pump out inexplicably bad communications and ought to be defunded
    • 86% of COVID-19 cases remain undocumented, which implies countries need to get 11% of population infected to achieve herd immunity, or 35 million for the US
    • Everyone shoud wear a mask to 1) stop symptomatic and asymptomatic spreaders 2) help us not touch our faces 3) contract the infection in small doses.


    Quote Universal mask-wearing is the most overlooked COVID-19 lifesaver
    😷
    Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks.
    We need universal mask-wearing to aid in lowering COVID-19's virality.

    Let's promote mask-wearing culture to lower COVID-19 infections.
    Anything that prevents aerosolized viruses from being transmitted person-to-person will lower COVID-19's infection rate 5.

    Wear a mask when outside of your home to avoid lingering aerosolized virus droplets3.
    N95 masks are better than surgical masks, but anything that prevents breathing in moisture partials with viruses helps.
    We need hard data that show a direct effect of a strong mask-wearing culture to lower COVID-19 virality. We only have anecdotal research at this point.
    Going in public without a mask in a pandemic is like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You don't look cool. People see you and think you don't value your life.
    Promote research that shows the benefits of wearing masks. Research
    Start promoting universal masks-wearing at the local level. Encourage your neighbors, apartment building, and city government to wear masks.
    Yes, It's so easy to do. Anything's better than nothing. That's so totally self-evident. At least, look stupid but be smart.

    And as Chris Martenson explains, even if you have a limited supply of masks, even just a handful, you can seal a used one in a ziplock bag with the date on it for 9 days, and then use it again confident it'll be okay once more.

    Or, as he suggests, carefully put it in the oven at low heat for half an hour or so. Presumably a tumble dryer would work, too. (He recommends against microwave ovens, as their effect is a total unknown.)

    I went into town today for more fruit and veg supplies. (And a few bones for Mara the dog, who's on hunger strike against her dried food, which she just hates. )

    The supermarket I went to wouldn't allow people in without masks and gloves, and they were standing at the door with hand sanitizer for everyone. It was totally orderly and civilized. No shortages of anything.

    Re this —>
    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    I think the Belarusian president has been looking at some of the posts on this thread!

    Quote Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has laughed off the suggestion that his country should try to stem the spread of the coronavirus, because he can't see the virus "flying around".
    Speaking to a TV reporter at an indoor ice hockey match, he also claimed that crowds at the match were fine because the coldness of the stadium would prevent the virus from spreading.
    There is no evidence that this could be the case and the coronavirus cannot be seen with the naked eye.
    Unlike most of Europe, Belarus has not placed any restrictions on sports events.

    "There are no viruses here," Mr Lukashenko said. "You haven't seen them flying around, have you? I don't see them either! This is a fridge. Sport, particularly the ice, this fridge here, that's the best antiviral cure!"
    Well, my provisional strong opinion is that that the guy's as idiotic and uninformed as the Swedish government seems to be. Presumably, we'll see in a few weeks what transpires.

    If he has been reading this thread to solidify his views (though that has to be unlikely! ), then shame on us.

    His opinions are likely to get result in deaths or disabilities. Even one more that needn't have happened is too many. Some of you may already have seen this animation, which makes it all too clear how one person's thoughtless actions can affect hundreds, or maybe many more.

    https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/1241428108114190337

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    This video is again concerning Dr. Shiva's approach to restoring health economically and physically.


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    Quote Posted by rainsong (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    If necessary keep the vulnerable at home -- target the help on them.
    let the rest of us go on buisness as usual.
    Getting this virus will strengthen the immune system, then we will survive next years version even better.
    Chris
    What if it doesn't, though? What if this works like lyme or lupus or any number of auto-immune disorders? What if this develops into something like COPD?

    We're seeing indications that either people can get it a second time, hence no immunity was built up in the first place, or maybe they never got fully over it in the first place. Either way at least in some cases, it's not something you get and then get over with immunity for the next time.

    That's one reason why I say this virus isn't following script. It doesn't just kill people and move on. It settles and sticks, and it doesn't move on--and hospitals are overloaded and that becomes the thread that unravels everything.

    And what happens when the next wave comes? If everyone has been made susceptible with long-term lung damage, and the hospitals and economies are still reeling from the first wave, what happens then?

    I don't know about U.K., but I think D.C. is going to crash and burn because they can't, or won't, get their act together. They are spending way too much energy fighting each other and trying make sure their "side" comes out on top instead of taking care of the country.

    Those places that do come out better will be because they took strict measures and helped each other. It does not have to be health or the economy.
    With respect
    Some people are immune already not everyone exposed to this catches it.
    The cure may be worse than the disease.
    My opinion is and I may be proved wrong is.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1342929

    I keep coming back to -- the great majority recover from the virus in less than a month -- 14 days quoted.
    Most have mild symptoms.
    Its true people die.
    The media sell drama, thats what they do.
    Virus does not have to be invented, manufactured, they happen regularly at this time of year.
    This time fear has been fostered by media.

    Just say that there had been little mention of it -- would there have been panic buying?
    Would hospitals be over run to the point of not coping?
    Would most people have said Ive got the flu -- I will take some lem sip/paracetamol and stay home for a fortnight?.
    How many would even have informed their Dr?
    Would the thought have been, this happens every year, I will self treat as usual, not Pleasant but I will get over it I always do?
    What really made this an emergency?

    Im not saying that any flu should be disregarded but the disruption associated with this one is out of proportion.
    My son who has taken years to build his business has had to shut it down -- temporarily, he hopes - self employed, no other source of income.
    All my sons, three of them, are self employed -- no safety net.

    Im just saying look at the situation in different ways.
    Fear is just a thought
    Be careful what you believe.
    Chris
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    So this publication seems to directly contradict the earlier published-then-pulled study from New Delhi University (Bill had archived this study before it was pulled and posted it weeks ago in this thread) which stated HIV protein spikes/compounds were discovered on the SARS-CoV strain (novel Coronavirus). Was there any follow up or re-publication of the New Delhi study? Curious to see what could have changed in 2 months when the earlier indication showed biological manipulation...

    The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.
    By Jeanna Bryner - Live Science Editor-in-Chief6 days ago

    The persistent myth can be put to bed.

    As the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 spreads across the globe, with cases surpassing 284,000 worldwide today (March 20), misinformation is spreading almost as fast.

    One persistent myth is that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.
    A new analysis of SARS-CoV-2 may finally put that latter idea to bed. A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.

    "Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article. Kristian Andersen, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research, and his colleagues looked at the genetic template for the spike proteins that protrude from the surface of the virus. The coronavirus uses these spikes to grab the outer walls of its host's cells and then enter those cells. They specifically looked at the gene sequences responsible for two key features of these spike proteins: the grabber, called the receptor-binding domain, that hooks onto host cells; and the so-called cleavage site that allows the virus to open and enter those cells.

    That analysis showed that the "hook" part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

    Here's why: SARS-CoV-2 is very closely related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which fanned across the globe nearly 20 years ago. Scientists have studied how SARS-CoV differs from SARS-CoV-2 — with several key letter changes in the genetic code. Yet in computer simulations, the mutations in SARS-CoV-2 don't seem to work very well at helping the virus bind to human cells. If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

    Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

    "If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.
    Source: https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...de-in-lab.html
    Nature publication: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
    Sorry to bump my own comment here but I'm really interested in circling back to this--does anyone know what happened with the New Delhi University publication that was pulled? I know 'origin' isn't quite the focus for this thread or the world at the moment, but when the dust settles the world will want to know how this could have happened, and I believe the biological weapon angle is still solid despite this challenge. I just want to continue to challenge that perspective especially with new information coming out like this article. Appreciate this communities attention to this.

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    Default Re: The Wuhan Coronavirus [Covid-19, the Honey Badger virus]

    Sorry to beat a dead horse (no offense intended to Dead Horses, who indeed get sick and die) but here's yet another salvo by the dogged Rappoport tossed toward the Tests, The Tests, The Tests...

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...gnostic-tests/

    If he and others are right about this, the #'s we're being given and that are being posted -- how reliable can they be? How based in actual Science can they be?
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    In Scotland they have quadrupled the number of beds ready for virus patients
    How did they manage that?
    Well they stopped examining patients for cancer and lots of other serious illnesses, so some who could have been saved will die.
    Operations have come to a halt.
    The staff being but on hold to treat virus sufferers.
    It accepted that antibodies remain tin the body for up to a year so you will only get the virus once this year.
    I have relatives who work in hospitals They say hospital eerily quiet -- nothing much happening.
    In Scotland to date
    Scottish test numbers: 30 March 2020

    A total of 14,624 Scottish tests have concluded. Of these:

    13,061 tests were confirmed negative
    1,563 tests were positive
    47 patients who tested positive have died


    Many have been tested for the virus and the results were negative -- not got the virus.
    So maybe just UK is not suffering to the degree.
    Good links for numbers affected.
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...0b19484dd4bb14
    https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/

    Meanwhile loads of ambulances standing doing nothing.
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