COVID-19 Contrarians

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Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
How many of you have noticed that you are hedging your bets? The common theme on the Covid19 posts is: “It’s on the one hand this, but on the other hand that.” It’s this, but maybe it’s that”. “I think this, but that is not to say it’s not that.”

Take a stand. What do you really believe? Now is not the time to be PC.

Good for you Sartori for pointing out the obvious.
I admit I had been sitting on the fence for quite a while, being noncommittal one way or the other.

But after watching Dr. Andrew Kaufman yesterday and especially today (in another video) I am ready to take my stand.
He has convinced me that COVID-19 = EXOSOMES

That will probably be meaningless to most here.

Until you watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGd7-vvd9Y

Please take the time to watch all of it. This MD makes a very convincing case!
It helps explain a lot of what we have been seeing the past few months.

You'll find my post last night of the audio of that Dr. Kaufman talk which was all I had, but I also recognized that it and his other recent one were the most important finds yet, thank you for this, the visuals really help.

Sorry to say that I expect hardly no one else here at Avalon or the truth community will take the time to watch and understand, let alone incorporate Dr. Kaufman's breakthrough explanation into their thinking at all and these threads will continue being virtual parties to this genocide by being obedient repeater reporters of the murderers/liars totally false statistics and fear porn.

My record here will show I was committed from day one. I saw all the red flags of a psyop immediately and even have a receipt for an 80 roll case of TP mid February way before shelves emptied and prices shot up...:-).

Thank you Dave Too for taking your stand. I'm with you 100%.

[greybeard]

Posted by Caliban (here)
Thank goodness for those a bit "OFF"


12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/...navirus-panic/

10 MORE Experts Criticising the Coronavirus Panic
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/...navirus-panic/

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

"Ive been saying this since day one
Chris"

[Iloveyou]

Adding to the collection (and probably beating a dead horse):

The Infectious Myth - David Rasnick on the Coronavirus (2020-03-31)

podcast: https://www.podbean.com/media/share/...source=u_share

David Rasnick and David Crowe (who have to call themselves ‘Raz’ and ‘Crowe’ to avoid confusion) discuss the coronavirus, particularly the RT-PCR testing. Raz is a PhD in chemistry who worked on protease inhibitors (being used in coronavirus, although the Chinese trial was an admitted failure). The test is really important because without it there wouldn’t be any Covid-19 cases, so they spend a lot of time discussing it. They also discuss confusion with other diseases, reasons not to shut down the economy, probable exaggeration of the mortality rate, dangerous treatments, the politics, and more.


The Infectious Myth - Coronavirus with James Lyons-Weiler

podcast: https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e...-lyons-weiler/

David discusses the coronavirus epidemic with James Lyons-Weiler. While our guest believes that there is a deadly infectious virus, David does not. At the end, the issue of whether there is a new virus circulating, and whether it has ever been purified, is unresolved.


more: https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv.php

[Iloveyou]

The Coronavirus mass panic is not justified

By Professor Peter C. Gøtzsche (24 March 2020)

https://www.deadlymedicines.dk/wp-co...-justified.pdf

Who is Prof. Peter C Gøtzsche?

Physician, medical researcher, author of numerous books, and co-founder of the famous Cochrane Collaboration, an organization formed in 1993 to conduct systematic reviews of medical research in the interest of promoting unbiased evidence-based science and improving health care.

During his tenure with Cochrane, Gøtzsche fought to uphold Cochrane’s original values of transparency, scientific rigor, free scientific debate, and collaboration. However, in spite of its charter, when Gøtzsche attempted to correct the path of consensus science or point to industry-related bias, Cochrane sought to censor him. He was eventually expelled from the organization in 2018 after what he calls a Kafkaesque “show trial.”

Death of a Whistleblower and Cochrane's Moral Collapse
(death not meant literally)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GxTgxCr1RUU

[Ratszinger]

On the cruise ship where all the people on that ship were confined and all had every potential to come down with this virus at any time yet the contagion never reached or grew beyond 20% of the entire pop. of that cruise ship! Make note 80% of those on the ship were naturally immune! They had either no symptoms or when asked had to think and come up with well maybes at best. If we are to believe the numbers provided, the death rate never rose above 2.3% about where it is hovering world wide at this time at 4.995% death rate world wide.

The USA is doing much better hovering at 2.2% death rate. The cruise is ship is a corroborated historic event in Wuhan and the numbers seem to be about the same there as best people can gather. They don't trust the numbers coming from China now but China did not interfere in the data off that cruise ship and that data was listed publicly before any talk of covering up the actual numbers. I trust it to be the case country wide. It is more than likely gong to play out in the states the same way it did with the ship so if 20% get infected approx. 2% or so will likely die from it.. 300,000,000 people x .0225% death rate equals 293,250 people plus or minus dying from this in the USA. So how do we figure this? 300,000,000 people in the USA and they are saying perhaps as many as millions will die. I don't know where they are getting this wild data from to suggest this. Using the current data available this is what I see.

I point out also the pic uploaded.

926,095 cases and 46,252 deaths equal a 4.995 death rate % world wide. As of this writing in the USA there are now 209 071 cases and 4633 deaths equaling a 2.23% death rate.

[leavesoftrees]

Posted by greybeard (here)

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

"Ive been saying this since day one
Chris"

I am not a fan at all of Osho but I thought this was relevant to what is happening now

Osho on Pandemic's


Once someone asked Osho about the pandemic, read the answer...
The question was: How to avoid epidemic?
Osho: "You are asking the wrong question. The question should have been like this: "Say something about the fear of dying in my heart because of the epidemic?"
How to save yourself from this fear?
Because it is very easy to avoid virus, but it is very difficult to avoid the fear that is present within you and in the world.
People will die more because of this fear than because of the epidemic.
There no virus in this world is more dangerous than fear. Understand this fear,
otherwise you will become an alive dead body before your body will die.
It has nothing to do with the virus. The frightening atmosphere you are watching right now is a collective madness, which is always decreasing after some time. The reasons keep changing, but this kind of collective madness keeps on being revealed from time to time.
Many people either get help or they die. It has been a thousand times before, and it will continue to happen. And will continue unless you will understand the psychology of the crowd and fear.
Stop enjoying the juiciness of fear. Usually every human being enjoys fear a little bit. If they don't have fun in fear, then why would they go to watch movies?
Understand this juiciness within you; without understanding it you cannot understand the psychology of fear.
Look at the juice of this fear and at the fear within you, because if we take in the juiciness of fear, it is not much possible to wake up our unconsciousness.
Normally you are the owner of your fear,
But in the moment of collective madness your ownership can be touched. Your unconsciousness can take it over completely. You won't even know when you have lost control over your fear and fear others.
Then fear can do anything to you, in such a situation you can also take the life of yourself or that of others.
It will happen so much in the coming time: many people will commit suicide and many people will kill others.
Stay alert. Do not look at any video or news that gives you fear within. Stop talking about the epidemic - repeating the same thing again and again is the birth of self-hypnosis. Fear is a kind of self-hypnosis. This idea will cause chemical changes in the body. By repeating the same idea again and again, this chemical change can sometimes be so poisonous that it can also take your life.
There are a lot of other things happening in the world, pay attention to them.
Meditation becomes a protective aura all around the seeker, which does not allow negative energy to enter within. Now the energy of the whole world has become irrational. In such a way you can fall any time in this black hole.
Sitting in the boat of meditation you can avoid this .
(...) As long as death doesn't come there is no meaning of fearing what is inevitable. Fear is a kind of foolishness and proof of the fact that life has been lived in the wrong way. Those who offer their today for tomorrow, are afraid of death.
Death is not a problem for those who live their life totally each moment.
Rethink life. Fear will not solve anything and there is no cure for death.
If you don't die from a pandemic, then you will have to die another day, and that day can be any day. That's why: keep ready. Don't take down your life."

[T Smith]

Posted by waves (here)

Sorry to say that I expect hardly no one else here at Avalon or the truth community will take the time to watch and understand, let alone incorporate Dr. Kaufman's breakthrough explanation into their thinking at all and these threads will continue being virtual parties to this genocide by being obedient repeater reporters of the murderers/liars totally false statistics and fear porn.

My record here will show I was committed from day one. I saw all the red flags of a psyop immediately and even have a receipt for an 80 roll case of TP mid February way before shelves emptied and prices shot up...:-).

Dr. Kaufman's thesis has actually been circulating in the main CoVid-19 thread, see this video, and here, and many of us have commented on both these videos. See my comment here. So although I feel your frustration, it's not entirely accurate that members of Avalon are ignoring the info. According to Thomas Cowen, MD, the theory is based on the work of Rudolph Stiener, who ironically spent much of his life's work attempting to bridge science and spirituality (so Avalon is perhaps the perfect platform to explore his germ theory )

That said, many in the truth community do seem to be in denial about and have no answer to the flawed RT-PCR testing, which in my view may be scientifically useful in certain applications, but a complete scam as the foundation of determining a global pandemic.

Let's consider. The faulty statistics produced by these tests have dictated by technocrats and authorities the execution of an entire global shutdown and the inevitable onset of spontaneous collapse of nation-states and onset of centralized authoritarian global governance (which is playing out before our eyes per the October 2019 Gates Foundation Event 201 think tank dress rehersal). The RT-PCR testing is literally elevating the severity of the crisis and is creating the entire pandemic.

Commentators and observers will counter, "so what if the testing is flawed! People are still dying! We have to do this! Hospitals are being overrun and the NHS is collapsing! This isn't a normal disease! Damn the hypothetical faulty testing, we can prove we have a pandemic empirically based on body bags!" Or something to this effect, and of course I am vastly over-simplifying those arguments. Herein we get caught up in the minutia of crisis, whether real or promulgated (and likely somewhere in-between). Regardless, focusing on that continuum is irrelevant to the broader issue.

My point has been, or has tried to be, the faulty testing (which I believe those executing the psyop are fully aware of, and which is being deployed as the main component of psyop), and which consequently inflates the projection of body bags, among other things, is dictating and influencing how we manage the entire crisis, allowing for a global reset. This merits repeating, without euphemisms. The foundation of pandemic created by RT-PCR is literally triggering the collapse of human civilization as we know it. This may not happen overnight, but once we allow for the installation of global technocratic dictatorship, it's only a matter of time before the final goal plays out. We all understand the playbook.

If we do not check what is unfolding in real time, the reset we are talking about will hurl those of us who survive (my guess is the masterminds behind this psyop are shooting for 500 million or so) fully back to the Dark Ages. If we're lucky we'll enter into a neo-feudalism period (perhaps retaining some of our technology and advances) but subject nonetheless to endure another thousand-year period without a bath. This seems to be a repeating cycle the controllers understand a hell of lot more than we pests do.

I'm on record stating the global reset will be much more devastating to human civilization and will require the production of 10000x more body bags than very worst COVID-19 might require, but I shall be very pleased to be wrong on that point.

[Mypos]

If you would go by the theorie of Steiner that a virus is just a cleansing of the cell and they are not contagious im wondering how to explain the flu amongst little children. It seems they do contaminate each other. And little kids cannot have much toxicity in there cells yet. Can anybody think of something to explain this?

[waves]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by waves (here)

Sorry to say that I expect hardly no one else here at Avalon or the truth community will take the time to watch and understand, let alone incorporate Dr. Kaufman's breakthrough explanation into their thinking at all and these threads will continue being virtual parties to this genocide by being obedient repeater reporters of the murderers/liars totally false statistics and fear porn.

My record here will show I was committed from day one. I saw all the red flags of a psyop immediately and even have a receipt for an 80 roll case of TP mid February way before shelves emptied and prices shot up...:-).

Dr. Kaufman's thesis has actually been circulating in the main CoVid-19 thread, see this video, and here, and many of us have commented on both these videos. See my comment here. So although I feel your frustration, it's not entirely accurate that members of Avalon are ignoring the info. According to Thomas Cowen, MD, the theory is based on the work of Rudolph Stiener, who ironically spent much of his life's work attempting to bridge science and spirituality (so Avalon is perhaps the perfect platform to explore his germ theory )

That said, many in the truth community do seem to be in denial about and have no answer to the flawed RT-PCR testing, which in my view may be scientifically useful in certain applications, but a complete scam as the foundation of determining a global pandemic.

Let's consider. The faulty statistics produced by these tests have dictated by technocrats and authorities the execution of an entire global shutdown and the inevitable onset of spontaneous collapse of nation-states and onset of centralized authoritarian global governance (which is playing out before our eyes per the October 2019 Gates Foundation Event 201 think tank dress rehersal). The RT-PCR testing is literally elevating the severity of the crisis and is creating the entire pandemic.

Commenters and observers will counter, "so what if the testing is flawed! People are still dying! We have to do this! Hospitals are being overrun and the NHS is collapsing! This isn't a normal disease! Damn the hypothetical faulty testing, we can prove we have a pandemic empirically based on body bags!" Or something to this effect, and of course I am vastly over-simplifying those arguments. Herein we get caught up in the minutia of crisis, whether real or promulgated (and likely somewhere in-between). Regardless, focusing on that continuum is irrelevant to the broader issue.

My point has been, or has tried to be, the faulty testing (which I believe those executing the psyop are fully aware of, and which is being deployed as the main component of psyop), and which consequently inflates the projection of body bags, among other things, is dictating and influencing how we manage the entire crisis, allowing for a global reset. This merits repeating, without euphemisms. The foundation of pandemic created by RT-PCR is literally triggering the collapse of human civilization as we know it. This may not happen overnight, but once we allow for the installation of global technocratic dictatorship, it's only a matter of time before the final goal plays out. We all understand the playbook.

If we do not check what is unfolding in real time, the reset we are talking about will hurl those of us who survive (my guess is the masterminds behind this psyop are shooting for 500 million or so) fully back to the Dark Ages. If we're lucky we'll enter into a neo-feudalism period (perhaps retaining some of our technology and advances) but subject nonetheless to endure another thousand-year period without a bath. This seems to be a repeating cycle the controllers understand a hell of lot more than we pests do.

I'm on record stating the global reset will be much more devastating to human civilization and will require the production of 10000x more body bags than very worst COVID-19 might require, but I shall be very pleased to be wrong on that point.

(least important but I want to explain why I deliberately chose the phrase 'hardly no one else here' over 'everyone else here' - to not exaggerate or falsely accuse. But I stand by the fact that of even just people contributing... and will continue.... a hugely lopsided percentage will ignore the false PCR test/exosome facts and continue to be part of the problem therefore helping the genocidal agenda, not helping expose it's foundational flaw, the only chance of defeating it.)
~~~~~~~~~~~

Your post says it all - and is the most important simple summation of this worldwide fraud affecting all of humanity. THANK YOU.

Borrowing some of your wording, every other post on every CV-19 thread should have the interjection:

THE DELIBERATELY FRAUDULENT PCR TEST IS BEING USED TO TRIGGER PEOPLE TO SELF-DESTRUCT THEIR LIVES AND INCOMES AND COLLAPSE MODERN CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP, YOUR ONLY JOB IS TO SPREAD KNOWLEDGE OF WHY THE PCR TEST IS FRAUDULENT AND THEREFORE WHY ALL STATISTICS ARE FALSE, BUT ADDITIONALLY, WHAT THE NATURE OF EXOSOMES IS IN RELATION TO ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS AND VACCINES.

[greybeard]

Trying to be simple
You have more chance of dying from something other than the virus this month according to the video below.
It might be a bit long but the "facts" are well presented.
The statistics are the same as used by professional advising the Government.
WHO may not be believed but the point is thats what has been projected to scare people.

The video looks in depth at the official data and projects a different story from the UK fear mongering.

I have watched the whole video in segments and I believe it to be true
Basically the virus follows curves exactly the same as a seasonal virus.
No more dangerous than last years "flu" ---call it what you will.
The immune system will take care of it -- though obviously some have better immunity than others.

I now have tooth ache and my dentists are closed down.
Im more bothered about this than any virus --- the pain not severe but the dentist closed till end of May to protect staff and clients.
Im collateral damage, smiling -- I will be just fine.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JnXzGB170GI

[Philippe]

Posted by Ratszinger (here)

I point out also the pic uploaded ( in your post above ).

926,095 cases and 46,252 deaths equal a 4.995 death rate % world wide. As of this writing in the USA there are now 209 071 cases and 4633 deaths equaling a 2.23% death rate.

This picture you use is sensationalist (although I understand the message it carries of so much other causes of deaths) . It refers to a https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ to get credit. Manipulatif.

Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News | April 2

I just looked at at www.themoscowtimes.com where a spike of 771 cases is reported. The deathtoll stands incredibly low at 30. Could be false statistics but with so many Russian internauts it would be difficult to hide a more serious situation. To be followed with great attention. Russia has shielded itself from the internet giants and western spy agencies, and as far as I know has no 5G rolled out yet for the general population ?

EDIT: The new severe measures by Pres.Putin seem to contradict the reported low figures of the disease in Russia

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...trophic-a69851

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Posted by Mypos (here)
If you would go by the theorie of Steiner that a virus is just a cleansing of the cell and they are not contagious im wondering how to explain the flu amongst little children. It seems they do contaminate each other. And little kids cannot have much toxicity in there cells yet. Can anybody think of something to explain this?

I'm learning it may have to do with the difference between bacteria and virus. I was surprised to learn that even traditional medicine all along admits many different particles they lump into the category of virus are inert/not living things that DO NOT EXIST OUTSIDE THE BODY.

The danger of VACCINES includes the introduction of toxics and inert OR live biological matter into the body in totally unnatural ways and the truth community is now learning about why those particles triggers cells to produce exosomes, over stimulate immune systems and produce flu symptoms, brain damage from ischemia, etc. Watching the Dr. Kaufman and Dr. Cowan videos explain this much better than me.

[Longjohn]

From The Spectator magazine:

How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear

This was written by a a recently-retired Professor of Pathology and United Kingdom NHS consultant pathologist. This sums it all up. Irrespective of the media panic, these are the facts we should be taking seriously:

"How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear"



I quote some of the most important points:

"When Britain had 590 diagnosed cases, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the real figure was probably between 5,000 and 10,000 cases, ten to 20 times higher. If he’s right, the headline death rate due to this virus is likely to be ten to 20 times lower, say 0.25 per cent to 0.5 per cent. That puts the Covid-19 mortality rate in the range associated with infections like flu.

"One pretty clear indicator is death. If a new infection is causing many extra people to die (as opposed to an infection present in people who would have died anyway) then it will cause an increase in the overall death rate. But we have yet to see any statistical evidence for excess deaths, in any part of the world.

[Note from me: I looked at the WHO mortality rates a week ago and it confirms this last point!]

"Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. The scenes from the Italian hospitals have been shocking, and make for grim television. But television is not science.

"Governments everywhere say they are responding to the science. The policies in the UK are not the government’s fault. They are trying to act responsibly based on the scientific advice given. But governments must remember that rushed science is almost always bad science.

"We have decided on policies of extraordinary magnitude without concrete evidence of excess harm already occurring, and without proper scrutiny of the science used to justify them."

Best, John

[T Smith]

Posted by Mypos (here)
If you would go by the theorie of Steiner that a virus is just a cleansing of the cell and they are not contagious im wondering how to explain the flu amongst little children. It seems they do contaminate each other. And little kids cannot have much toxicity in there cells yet. Can anybody think of something to explain this?

I think Steiner may be on to something, but the idea of the virus being non-transmittable from person to person is probably inaccurate... Cowen describes the "excretions", or exosomes, as coded RNA and speculates that the coding could be transferred (contagious) from person to person. The message of the exosomes, when in contact with suceptible and permissible cells of another host, then coveys to those healthy cells that it's time to clean themselves out, so speak.

This is an explanation to the question anyway. I haven't delved too deeply into Steiner's germ theory.

[Longjohn]

From The Spectator magazine:

How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear

This was written by a a recently-retired Professor of Pathology and United Kingdom NHS consultant pathologist. This sums it all up. Irrespective of the media panic, these are the facts we should be taking seriously:

"How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear"



I quote some of the most important points:

"When Britain had 590 diagnosed cases, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the real figure was probably between 5,000 and 10,000 cases, ten to 20 times higher. If he’s right, the headline death rate due to this virus is likely to be ten to 20 times lower, say 0.25 per cent to 0.5 per cent. That puts the Covid-19 mortality rate in the range associated with infections like flu.

"One pretty clear indicator is death. If a new infection is causing many extra people to die (as opposed to an infection present in people who would have died anyway) then it will cause an increase in the overall death rate. But we have yet to see any statistical evidence for excess deaths, in any part of the world.

[Note from me: I looked at the WHO mortality rates a week ago and it confirms this last point!]

"Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. The scenes from the Italian hospitals have been shocking, and make for grim television. But television is not science.

"Governments everywhere say they are responding to the science. The policies in the UK are not the government’s fault. They are trying to act responsibly based on the scientific advice given. But governments must remember that rushed science is almost always bad science.

"We have decided on policies of extraordinary magnitude without concrete evidence of excess harm already occurring, and without proper scrutiny of the science used to justify them."

Best, John

[IChingUChing]

Posted by Longjohn (here)
From The Spectator magazine:

How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear

This was written by a a recently-retired Professor of Pathology and United Kingdom NHS consultant pathologist. This sums it all up. Irrespective of the media panic, these are the facts we should be taking seriously:

"How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear"

Good article which echoes many voices over here in Germany as well as experts from other countries. It fortunately really is beginning to look like we are all suffering from a pandemic of testing and a media pandemic rather than a virus way more dangerous than the average flu.

[onawah]

C. A. Fitts & J. Rappoport Major Coronavirus Announcement
by Jon Rappoport
April 2, 2020
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...to-my-readers/

"Exposing the scam, I’ve just completed three audio presentations about COVID-19.

They are available at the following link: https://home.solari.com/the-creation...jon-rappoport/

With the cooperation of Solari.com and Catherine Austin Fitts, we’re making these presentations available to you, and to people around the world.

The series is titled: THE CREATION OF A FALSE EPIDEMIC

Episode 1: HOW IT STARTED
Episode 2: THE MEDICAL CIA, COVERT OPS
Episode 3: THE TRUE GOAL OF THE FALSE PANDEMIC

Readers have been asking how they can help. Listen to the presentation, send out the link to others.

Exposing the COVID-19 covert operation is more important every passing day.

As always, thank you for your support!

Jon "

[araucaria]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I now have tooth ache and my dentists are closed down.
Im more bothered about this than any virus --- the pain not severe but the dentist closed till end of May to protect staff and clients.
Im collateral damage, smiling -- I will be just fine.
Chris

Yes, Chris, you are collateral damage, fortunately just toothache. I have a surgeon in the family: out of work, no one to operate on, simply because the beds etc. are otherwise occupied (or not). Some people will die because their surgery has been postponed. Others will hang on and show up when the hospitals are really swamped under, when this is all over. But the collateral damage is in every field, medical, economic, social, familial… Let’s just make that it also changes what needs to be changed in all those fields.

[DaveToo]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Caliban (here)
"The key event in the current COVID operation was the sudden Chinese government lockdown of 50 million citizens overnight in three major cities. That was the signal the CDC and the World Health Organization received with open arms.

“Well, they broke the ice. This is what we’ve been waiting for. This is now a model we can sell. Lockdowns on a massive scale.” "

Jon Rappaport

Does it occur to anybody on this particular thread that the coronavirus is a very real threat that governments have a responsibility to react to? At the same time, the powers that are handed them by a frightened populace during times of emergency, will set a precedent (most likely)? It is such limited thinking to believe that it is either one or the other.

Autumn I will take you on, to the very end if need be. Yes I am going to engage you into a serious intellectual discussion on this, if you are willing.

Let me just start off by asking if you respect Catherine Austin Fitts?

[Delight]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
I now have tooth ache and my dentists are closed down.
Im more bothered about this than any virus --- the pain not severe but the dentist closed till end of May to protect staff and clients.
Im collateral damage, smiling -- I will be just fine.
Chris

Yes, Chris, you are collateral damage, fortunately just toothache. I have a surgeon in the family: out of work, no one to operate on, simply because the beds etc. are otherwise occupied (or not). Some people will die because their surgery has been postponed. Others will hang on and show up when the hospitals are really swamped under, when this is all over. But the collateral damage is in every field, medical, economic, social, familial… Let’s just make that it also changes what needs to be changed in all those fields.

Hey Chris and all,
The good news to come out of this epicsode is lots of info about self care. EVERYONE I have ever shared this info about oregano oil and toothaches said it works... use straight orgeano oil.

1. Use just ONE drop of oil.
2. Have a small glass water at hand.
3. Dry the inside of the mouth by swallowing all saliva.

keeping mouth wide open, place the one drop of oil at the gum line where tooth hurts. Wait a few seconds and then swig the water (swallow after swishing it.) Wipe any oil that may be on lips as it can burn. This will help with minutes and I repeat several times a day. No abscess will develop and if you have one, it will retreat and NO DENTIST and NO prescription ANTIBIOTICS.

Then work on re-mineralizing cavities etc.

No matter what is happening, we still don't need to be rescued by the smashed up and dying system IMO which is the single only upside to the end of the world (as we once upon a time expected it to be last month).