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    Unlike a bacterium, a virus is a not a living organism, or at least a fully parasitical one, hence totally alien to life forms, including the Earth itself. As such, it is by definition more totally inhuman than anything else – exactly the way sociopaths and psychopaths are seen as inhuman.
    Maybe viruses were alien to humans at some point.
    By now they're an essential part of our genome—and not necessarily a bad part.

    Our DNA contains roughly 100,000 pieces of viral DNA. Altogether, they make up about 8 percent of the human genome. And scientists are only starting to figure out what this viral DNA is doing to us. […]

    Some of our ancient viruses may be protecting us from disease; others may be raising our risks for cancer, among other conditions. “It’s not an either-or—are these things good or bad? It’s a lot more complicated than that,” Dr. Katzourakis said in an interview. “We’re barely at the beginning of this research.”

    Yes, I guess this is what immunity is all about. We live dangerously in so many diffferent ways and are learning all the time. At the most basic level, there would be no nuclear weapons but for the way energy and matter are intertwined, and it's more of the same all the way up.


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    "Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease."ARAUCARIA
    Interesting perspective,brings up a question:If we have the right to die when we choose to die(Euthanasia)do we have than also a humanright to be sick,to go through a proces of catharsis & healing,dont we have the right to make mistakes and experience the consequences,or proof to ourselves we can overcome any kind of obstacle,or is that unsocial,selfish and irresponsable?

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    This article is fully referenced. Go to link for full paper; only the text for the Introduction and Conclusion are posted here. For background information, this is an article about David Crowe.

    Op-Ed: Does the 2019 Coronavirus Exist?

    Originally published on www.theinfectiousmyth.com

    by David Crowe
    Does the 2019 Coronavirus Exist?1

    Full paper: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

    Introduction
    The Coronavirus scare that emanated from Wuhan, China in December of 2019 is an epidemic of testing. There is no proof that a virus is being detected by the test and there is absolutely no concern about whether there are a significant number of false positives on the test. What is being published in medical journals is not science, every paper has the goal of enhancing the panic by interpreting the data only in ways that benefit the viral theory, even when the data is confusing or contradictory. In other words, the medical papers are propaganda.

    It is also an epidemic by definition. The definition, which assumes perfection from the test, does not have the safety valve that the definition of SARS did, thus the scare can go on until public health officials change the definition or realize that the test is not reliable.

    What I learned from studying SARS, the previous big coronavirus scare, after the 2003 epidemic, was that nobody had proved a coronavirus existed, let alone was pathogenic. There was evidence against transmission, and afterwards, negative assessments of the extreme treatments that patients were subjected to, the nucleoside analog antiviral drug Ribavirin, high dose corticosteroids, invasive respiratory assistance, and sometimes oseltamivir (Tamiflu). This is documented in my draft book chapter (mostly complete) that you can find here: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/SARS.pdf

    Full paper: http://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

    Conclusions
    The coronavirus panic is just that, an irrational panic, based on an unproven RNA test, that has never been connected to a virus. And which won’t be connected to a virus unless the virus is purified. Furthermore, even if the test can detect a novel virus the presence of a virus is not proof that it is the cause of the severe symptoms that some people who test positive experience (but not all who test positive). Finally, even if the test can detect a virus, and it is dangerous, we do not know what the rate of false positives is. And even a 1% false positive rate could produce 100,000 false positive results just in a city the size of Wuhan and could mean that a significant fraction of the positive test results being found are false positives.

    The use of powerful drugs because doctors are convinced that they have a particularly potent virus on their hands, especially in older people, with pre-existing health conditions, is likely to lead to many deaths. As with SARS.

    There is very little science happening. There is a rush to explain everything that is happening in a way that does not question the viral paradigm, does not question the meaningfulness of test results, and that promotes the use of untested antiviral drugs. And, given enough time there will be a vaccine developed and, for some of the traumatized countries, it may become mandatory, even if developed after the epidemic has disappeared, so that proving that it reduces the risk of developing a positive test will be impossible
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    Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rock...ritarian-power

    Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power

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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rock...ritarian-power

    Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power
    Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...ation_2010.pdf

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    This video goes into the testing aspect of viruses. The entire video (45:57) has some good information. However, for those wishing to save time, at about 17:43 Dr. Cowan starts talking specifically about testing.

    Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji

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    I may not fit Christian's idea of a contrarian, because I see the covid-19 virus as "weapons-grade", whether or not it really is a bioweapon (which I believe it is.) It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks. (edited to) puts, on average, 5% of covid-19 hospitalized patients in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks. So, I do think there is a dangerous virus.

    I had so many (dozens of) emboli in my lungs a couple years ago that no one bothered to count them. When I hear of a virulent pneumonia, well, I'd be stupid not to respect it. I'm not so sure I'd live through it.

    But, I do qualify as someone who understands that the world is controlled by mobsters, the mobsters are sociopathic, and at the very least they will "not let a good crisis go to waste" and I fully expect them to use the opportunity to impose their will, gain more control, and (at the top of the food chain, at least) to somehow make money on it too.

    Lower on the food chain, some individual corporations and medium and small businesses will take a great hit - some will collapse. Like United and American airlines were hurt by 9/11, so if there is a global-sized nefarious agenda, it wasn't planned by those near the bottom of the corporate pyramid/Global Corporate Network.

    The US saw draconian anti-citizen legislation getting jammed down our throats after 9/11. I fully expect the same with this. I'm also watching Israel, the masters of the art of slow-motion genocide, to create an offensive during this. Watching what Trump and his military handlers do to Iran, Venezuela, and Syria too.

    The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.

    {edit} I misquoted a stat. I said "puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks" and that is incorrect, a mental transposition error on my part. I should have said "puts, on average, 5% of covid-19 hospitalized patients in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks", or even better would have been to say, "a large enough number of patients need ICU-level care for 2 to 3 weeks, potentially overwhelming hospitals and staff." The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist.
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    The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.
    Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.

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    Quote Posted by gini (here)
    "Why is conspiracy theory a plague? Because it goes after the infected, mostly in high places of power, instead of the disease."ARAUCARIA
    Interesting perspective,brings up a question:If we have the right to die when we choose to die(Euthanasia)do we have than also a humanright to be sick,to go through a proces of catharsis & healing,dont we have the right to make mistakes and experience the consequences,or proof to ourselves we can overcome any kind of obstacle,or is that unsocial,selfish and irresponsable?
    The question of right and wrong is a fascinating one. Let’s say we are playing a game with no rules, we make some up as we go along to make the game more interesting. To begin with, anything goes. You can use a hammer on a screw, but if you use a screwdriver as a hammer a few times, that’s the end of the screwdriver. So you learn not to do that. Over a lifetime, a DIY beginner will begin to do some things like a pro. Life on earth is rather similar: people get damaged by misuse, and you learn to take a little care, because it works both ways. Karma is just a fancy word for that. Ending your own life is not verboten, but just think about its effect on others.

    In some areas, or some periods, humanity generally operates like a bunch of pros. But when there are too many beginners – and pros are not necessarily good teachers – lessons don’t get learnt and most of all, the job, whatever it is, doesn’t get done. To tie in with what I was saying earlier: there is not enough leadership. And what leaders we have are not sufficiently enabled. So the threshold we are aiming for is when good teachers come forward, enough of the beginners get up to speed, and the leadership crisis disappears.


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    The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.
    Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.
    Well, just a note here. We're using a simple phrase: "healthcare collapse".

    But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die), and many intensive care patients do as well, not to even count those who can't even get to any hospital even though critically ill because there are no beds — whatever their personal crisis is. (Heart attack, stroke, car accident, appendicitis.)

    It's about flattening the curve, so that these individual health emergencies don't all happen at once in a huge all-at-the-same-time tsunami wave that breaks the system.

    All authorities, everywhere, want to minimize the probability of a system breakdown. So would any compassionate person reading this, if they had the decision-making capacity to do so.

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    Quote Posted by anandacate (here)
    This video goes into the testing aspect of viruses. The entire video (45:57) has some good information. However, for those wishing to save time, at about 17:43 Dr. Cowan starts talking specifically about testing.

    Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji
    Thank you for this. Those in a real hurry can begin at 44'!


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    But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die)...
    Might be being used as pawns much the same way the first responders were on 9/11.

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    But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die)...
    Might be being used as pawns much the same way the first responders were on 9/11.
    Yes, of course.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    The travel and gathering restrictions are not from compassionate governments working for citizens best interests; it's to save the heathcare industry from collapse. The healthcare industry is part of The Global Corporate Network and it is a perpetual cash cow worth trillions to them.
    Dennis, talk a little more about this quote above. I get the last part but would like to hear more on the first.
    Well, just a note here. We're using a simple phrase: "healthcare collapse".

    But the industry doesn't collapse. The nurses and doctors do (and many will die), and many intensive care patients do as well, not to even count those who can't even get to any hospital even though critically ill because there are no beds — whatever their personal crisis is. (Heart attack, stroke, car accident, appendicitis.)

    It's about flattening the curve, so that these individual health emergencies don't all happen at once in a huge all-at-the-same-time tsunami wave that breaks the system.

    All authorities, everywhere, want to minimize the probability of a system breakdown. So would any compassionate person reading this, if they had the decision-making capacity to do so.
    Yeah, Bill, the healthcare industry isn't going to permanently collapse even if most of the healthcare workers died. That's a good distinction. "Hospital and hospital worker collapse" and the disruption of money flowing upward would be temporary. It is too important a cash cow (and essential service) to allow permanent collapse.

    "all authorities everywhere" and "any compassionate person" don't describe the same people. (Not that you said they do.) I'd say the average world leader attempting to slow the contagion is making a nationalist defensive move but it is knowing that if they don't and it does overwhelm their national hospital system, they could lose power. I just can't think of any compassionate leaders of major nations. Maybe some are savvy enough to know this is a bioweapon, and the only chance to not overwhelm the hospitals and staff is to make it move more slowly through the population. To me, that is strategic but likely nothing to do with compassion. (I'm pretty jaded, having grown up "American." Maybe all world leaders are not sociopathic mobsters like the US has been all my life, or at least the last 57 years when it has been overt. Like, maybe the King and Prime Minister of Norway are good guys and I'm lumping them in with sociopaths. The US's first moves were to protect the stock market, not the hospitals and healthcare workers, and not the citizens. In fact, in the US, as of March 16th, hasn't it been pretty much businesses, schools, and States, and not the US federal government, that have performed action? <---and as I write those words, basically encouraging official restriction on citizens as prudent, I shudder, knowing the officials doing the restricting are bad guys.)

    {edit, to add:}
    Hopefully, what is above expands on what you were asking me to expand upon, Caliban.
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    Debz Buller

    Star Teachers' Response to COVID 19
    (36:44 min.)
    "The Teachers give some clarity about the COVID 19 phenomenon, as well as what humanity, and the planet, are currently experiencing.

    Remember, with each Star Teacher transmission, each listener becomes infused with energetic information to help unlock and enable dormant DNA structures and functions, integration of complex and high-level information, healing and balancing support. Listen often, share with others!

    Much Love, Deepest Gratitude, and In Lak'ech (I am another YOU)."



    Think of it.
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    To me, that is strategic but likely nothing to do with compassion.
    I understand! Many years ago, when the law was passed to make motorcycle helmets compulsory in the UK (I never used to wear one), I was really angry — because I knew the reason for the law wasn't any kind of personal empathic care for bikers to avoid injury, but an economic one to save on hospital costs. In so many ways, every one of us is merely an economic statistic.

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    Quote Posted by Sérénité (here)
    Just sharing some thoughts...
    So what if this was a biological weapon?
    Implemented in strategic places for maximum effect; China (at Chinese New Year, peak period for incoming/outgoing visitors to China) Italy (during half term when the majority of U.K. and European schools and avid skiers decent on Northern Italy) Iran (needs no explanation!)
    The initial people exposed to high, potentially airborne doses get hit hard. High mortality rates. The people they pass it onto also highly exposed. From there down the chain it gets milder.
    Some air travel spreads the initial hit of the virus. Meanwhile everyone around the globe with ‘normal’ seasonal flu who is tested with the kit, flags up as a positive. How reliable are the kits...could they just be flagging up any trace of any strain of corona?

    China’s economy crashes, shortly followed by the EU.

    Worldwide medical martial law is imposed for months, causing further financial turmoil and isolating families and instills fear everywhere. Health services buckle under the strain of having to admit anyone with a cough, leaving the elderly and infirm to die quietly at home as it’s now survival of the fittest in the eyes of the health service priority list. Anyone over 70 is no longer allowed out their homes anyway.

    Implement mandatory vaccination, roll in cashless society and so on.

    In the meantime the US has deployed a further 20,000 fully kitted out soldiers to join the 10,000 already in Europe, to take part in a ‘war game’ (Red Dawn anyone?!)

    The rest we know plays out like a bad Hollywood script, Tom Hanks won’t be staring in it though as he’s self isolated himself and tweeting updates for probably what is a much higher salary than his usual acting jobs.

    Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Is this a drill or the real thing? Is there anything we can actually do other than sit and wait for it to roll out in real time?
    I feel like your on the money with these observations....

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

    The US saw draconian anti-citizen legislation getting jammed down our throats after 9/11. I fully expect the same with this. .
    I would say this is the central outcome on the governmental side of all of this, pan-planet.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rock...ritarian-power

    Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power
    Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...ation_2010.pdf


    My big question about this being orchestrated is how would a government like China cooperate, unless of course they are just stooges in the orchestration?

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    Just found this on the G. Edward Griffin site:

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/03/rock...ritarian-power

    Title of article: Rockefeller Foundation Paper Published in 2010 Predicted How a Pandemic Can be Used as an Excuse to Establish Global Authoritarian Power
    Yes. Here it is. Go to Page 18. This was written in 2010, and it's very very close to what's happening now. This is what tipped me to a VERY strong suspicion this is all orchestrated.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...ation_2010.pdf


    My big question about this being orchestrated is how would a government like China cooperate, unless of course they are just stooges in the orchestration?
    I may be totally off the mark, but my gut feeling tells me China probably wasn’t a willing party to this. Maybe they could have got offered a deal of saving their economy from ruin after lockdown if they wiped out the US debt.
    China also gets the opportunity to run with its Orwellian wishes, a great excuse to get its citizens mandatory vaccines/micro chips/cashless biometric society up and running.
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 17th March 2020 at 14:05. Reason: fixed double post (duplicate text)

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