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    I see the healthcare system here already adapting and contacting people to let them know of the changes they've made. My next appointment will be carried out entirely over the net between me and my doctor and nurse and they've already contacted me to reschedule the appointment taking care of my annual prescription refills and letting me do the urine sample in a cup leaving it at the drop box outside the building where I don't even have to contact or touch anything but my own car controls. They've cut their normal fee in half and already rescheduled my next. appt. to be carried out the same way.

    I have my oncologists personal number and can video chat with him anywhere from London where he lives to the USA where he works and have done so hardly seeing him in person anymore at all. I will say I am glad I finished my radiation treatments when I did and can now camp out. I was done and no longer visiting the hospitals frequently as of the 27th last month. So far no one in my county is sick and I have to say I don't know anyone that is sick, and they don't know anyone that is sick either. I ask everyone.

    Also, maybe it's because I grew up in West Virginia I don't know but I just spread mayo on my bacon, egg, lettuce and tomato sandwich using the spey blade of my 44 year old trapper knife I've had as a kid. I used the spey blade. What has that got to do with anything you say? Well, that is the same blade I used as a kid to gut and skin squirrel with, to castrate bulls, dig around on the ground with, loan to people and so on! I was trying to tell the wife I wanted to do lock down like the prez said and she pointed out to me how she just witnessed me take that knife out of my pocket and use it and I'm worried about a virus? She is right you know? I've done this all my life with little concern and its not like I don't keep the blade clean but you know what I'm saying>flora and fauna! It keeps us strong! Worry and concern is the worst enemy because it leads to making yourself sick and in my experience the people prone to doing that in normal times are going to be doing it now only now it's got a big spot light on each one of them when it happens because someone at the top handed down the order.

    You know as well as I do that all these changes for our "SAFETY" and what it leads to later, IE, "YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!" do not leave after they are instigated. Once the crisis dies off those changes will stay in place and in society at large the SS will once more live and walk among us! Soon everyone in every city will be dealing with a FINK in their own towns!! FIRM INTERCONNECTED NAZI (C)KOMMANDANTS in a police state! Welcome to the NWO!
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    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number (the percentage) is significantly lower.
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    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number is significantly lower.
    Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

    Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number is significantly lower.
    Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

    Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.
    I'd welcome formal stats, as well. But as best I understand, 20% are hospitalized (not the same as being in intensive care), and 5% (i.e. a quarter of that 20%) are in ICU.

    And yes, it's often 2-3 weeks in intensive care, and (I believe) also often the same length of time if they're 'merely' hospitalized.

    Whichsver is the case, it's the beds (and personal and specialist resources) that are fully taken up that's the logjam problem.

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    Subtitles for French speakers :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh1T...ature=youtu.be

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    The included discourse is creating quite a stir in its comment section because it denies the nature of what is a virus. I put this on the Contrarian thread so as not to overload the threads with valuable advice and orientation in the crisis.

    One can only wonder what is the nature of a virus that is so contagious and so lethal. Are the criminal scientists really capable of developing such novel dangerous infection ? Or is the real cause the entering in a new era of dangerous electromagnetic waves (5G, 4G, etc) attacking an already weakened immune system by grave pollution? The Spanish Flew coinciding with the electrification of the world is a reference for this theory. And those that counter it telling that there was already the Black Plague are corrected by pointing out that it was caused by a bacteria ...

    This discourse is not long. Pay attention to the quote by Rudolf Steiner at the end !

    Edit: To listen at your own discretion. Persons who have studied virus in laboratory are capable to explain that virus can multiply or not independently from a human cell. That would then end the theory of Steiner that the virus is only an excrement. On the other hand the description of the different developments of electromagnetic systems that coincide with epidemics are to be taken very seriously. Also how epidemics erupted quasi simultaneously in distant places without much possibility of contamination. Eruption of such novel graver disease after increasing the wireless capacity is no coincidence for me. Stop 5G now!
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number is significantly lower.
    Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

    Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.
    Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.
    My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

    Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

    First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

    A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami.

    Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

    Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

    And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

    I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

    [EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."
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    I really don't want to go back and hunt through (re-watch) all the Chris Martenson videos, but I believe that is where I first picked up that stat. If I misstated it (and I and everyone appreciates a correction), then my thought is that what I missed is that it's 20% of hospital admissions for covid-19 that require ICU-level care (which actually makes more sense.)

    I'll look at a couple of other written sources that I read, and see if the number I used was quoted or mis-quoted. However, please bear in mind that the statement being parsed is actually some sort of a mathematical representation that says this particular virus can overwhelm hospitals and hospital staff because a significant number of patients need ICU-level care, and the number of available ICU-level beds is inadequate to handle the number of patients that need that level of care.


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    Quoting the CNN report just 10 mins ago. (Not the original source, which wasn't given.)
    ~~~
    Italy announced 3,526 new cases of the novel coronavirus today, bringing the country's total to 31,506, according to Angelo Borreli, chief of the Italian Civil Protection Department.

    There were also 345 more deaths recorded today, bringing the total number of coronavirus deaths in Italy to 2,503, Borrelli said.

    Here's what else Borrelli said:
    • 192 more people recovered from the virus Tuesday.
    • There are 1,108 people in isolation with light or no symptoms
    • 2,060 are in intensive care (10% of the cases)

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    [A note about this post - this post is presented by a US based individual from the perspective of a US individual who is currently residing in the US and assumes he will be remaining within the US for some time as this person is experiencing a.) media reports and b.) what official government sources are presenting.]

    I never imagined I would see the day where I could, with high confidence, say the following -

    Specifically with regards to COVID-19, I am finding (and thus relying upon) the reports presented by authorized US government officials is by far more honest, accurate and later substantiated as having been reasonably or greatly accurate than just about everything coming from the corporate controlled media - emphasis on far more. In addition, what is being clearly controlled by social media including the mainstream search engines, is clearly over-hyping far, far more than any potential under-hyping (if any) of the health danger of the virus in light of the measures so far taken and new measures on the table to be taken.

    In addition to information strictly about COVID-19 and perhaps even more life impacting than the actual virus (I think it most certainly is more broadly impacting by significant degrees, is the information related to the financial impact of the virus.

    I emphasize that I believe history will look back upon the financial panic and state that the financial reactions were greatly overdone. And will say that the significant fault for such can be lain at the feet of the corporate "mainstream" media's reporting and by the role played by social media in how reports that exaggerate or fabricate reality or who manipulate the vulnerability of the of many "to believe their greater fears" were pushed through and most "contrarian" views/information was filtered out.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quoting the CNN report just 10 mins ago. (Not the original source, which wasn't given.)
    ~~~
    Italy announced 3,526 new cases of the novel coronavirus today, bringing the country's total to 31,506, according to Angelo Borreli, chief of the Italian Civil Protection Department.

    There were also 345 more deaths recorded today, bringing the total number of coronavirus deaths in Italy to 2,503, Borrelli said.

    Here's what else Borrelli said:
    • 192 more people recovered from the virus Tuesday.
    • There are 1,108 people in isolation with light or no symptoms
    • 2,060 are in intensive care (10% of the cases)
    So if actual infections are 2 times what is known, that 10% number becomes 5%. If it is 5 times greater (quite possible) then that number is 2%. What can be surmised with great confidence is that there is no one in intensive care that has COVID-19 that is not known to have the virus.

    In addition, Italy is the extreme case on the entire planet and from two important directions - One, Italy has the second (maybe the first) oldest population based on multiple reports. In addition, Italy had dramatically large, direct insertion of the virus via China (just like Iran) of all nations on the planet in the early stages of the virus outside of China.

    I will add the following... the projected mortality rate is around 1% (many say less) - this is 10 times higher than the conventional flu. But it is 800% lower than the mortality rate in Italy based on the current numbers of 31,506 known cases and 2,503 deaths). This suggests two things... the number of actual cases is likely far higher than the known (albeit, due to the average age of the population), not 8 times higher.

    The South Korea mortality rate is less than 1% of known cases.

    The US mortality rate is currently 1.75% (and has been dropping for the last few weeks, since the Johns Hopkins site went online).
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    Note that reports out of South Korea are that of the 250,000 tests they did, only 8,000 tested positive by the way. That is about a 3.2% infection rate. (NPR is the media source as of March 13, 2020)
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number is significantly lower.
    Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

    Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.
    Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.
    My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

    Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

    First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

    A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami.

    Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

    Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

    And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

    I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

    [EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."
    I agree that I misquoted the stat. Thanks for pointing out my error. One of my sources was this article, which actually said:
    Quote "What Will Be the Pressure on the System

    Around 20% of cases require hospitalization, 5% of cases require the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), and around 2.5% require very intensive help, with items such as ventilators or ECMO (extra-corporeal oxygenation)."
    I'll go back and edit the post where I misquoted the stat.

    Note that, logically, populations with a more elderly population and a population with greater than average major pre-existing conditions, are going to have a higher percentage of patients needing ICU-level care compared to the average percentage.

    The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist. If the gist is wrong, covid-19 doesn't have the power to overwhelm hospitals, and slowing the spread is moot.


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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    I read earlier in a post on this thread the statement that said [paraphrased] 20% of people infected end up in ICU for 2 - 3 weeks.

    I believe that the number is significantly lower.
    Which number, the 20% or the 2 to 3 weeks?

    Fact check me, please, if I have misquoted the stats.
    Thank you for pointing out where I read the post. Your post is found here and it is this particular part that I believe is an exaggeration -

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    It's virulent and puts 20% of infected in the ICU for 2 to 3 weeks.
    My initial response is the same request... where are you getting that "fact" so I can check it?

    Now to respond... I stated that "I believe the number is significantly lower," ie. the 20% number - and here's why I choose to believe this.

    First, it is becoming more and more stated in statements made by reasonably credible medical professionals that the actual number of cases "thus infected" is far higher than the "confirmed cases" which are what is being reported on the Johns Hopkins website and which I believe are the cases referenced by reports as to further breaking down the numbers within that group of confirmed cases.

    A perfect example of this is the case of the Mayor of Miami.

    Based on reports (which I do not automatically believe because of the track record of the corporate media) that have appeared over the last month or so, this very "thing" has been emphasized as "likely true" yet, of course, without mass reliable testing the number cannot be accurately determined so the number of actual cases vs confirmed cases can only be guessed at. Yet also, we can clearly agree the actual number cannot be more than 20% only less.

    Based on the above, I found it reasonable to infer that if broad, reliable is based numbers come forth for confirmed cases, then the actual reality is less "scary" than what someone who doesn't know better would likely conclude from reading "20% [of those who get the virus] are ending up in Intensive Care Units for 2 - 3 weeks."

    And this is why I posted "I believe that the number is significantly lower - referring to the % of the actual number of infected.

    I have edited my post to clarify I am speaking of the percentage.

    [EDIT Added] Bill's post is more along the lines of what I have been reading from multiple sources (some I believe are reasonably reliable) and then, by adding in the possibility these reports are based on confirmed cases, the number (the percentage of infected) should go even lower, in fact, likely very much lower... again, making sure the reader understands, this is just my opinion and why I stated - "I believe..."

    Well, I suppose John Rappoport' s latest take on Italy is a refreshing change from the 'we're all gonna die'! scenario. The last few paragraphs made me laugh....for a change!

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...s-to-leak-out/
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    Quote Posted by mari (here)
    well, i suppose john rappoport's latest take on italy is a refreshing change from the 'we're all gonna die'! Scenario. The last few paragraphs made me laugh....for a change!

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/17/corona-bologna-the-truth-begins-to-leak-out
    ....
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    Default Re: COVID-19 Contrarians

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    The entire premise of overwhelming hospitals and staff with a spike of covid-19 cases comes from the fact that "____"%, a significant percentage of patients, need ICU-level care, and that significant percentage is capable of overwhelming hospitals and staff. I misquoted the percentage, but not the gist. If the gist is wrong, covid-19 doesn't have the power to overwhelm hospitals, and slowing the spread is moot.
    [Again, a US-centric response below - but what is posted should apply to how each government may respond.]

    So the the avoidance, or not or what could become a disaster depends on three things, 1.) successful efforts at mitigation (emphasizing the word, successful - and we probably cannot make a judgment until after the curve reverses) and 2.) successful implementation of plans to add effective hospital level facilities in the areas of the country they are more likely needed such as Washington, California and New York (as of this moment)... hospital level facilities that range from from ICU to less urgent "protected care." In addition, 3.) there will have to be a successful effort to protect all the healthcare providers.

    And so it cannot be emphasized enough how critical will be the actually delivery of the American people in adhering as best they can to the guidelines put in place by the President and his team yesterday -

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    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    I really don't get the parrot posting without caveat here, therefore implying agreement or certainty, especially in a supposedly discerning forum.

    Y'all.... THERE IS NO ACCURATE TEST. So it's impossible any tested 'stats' are true!

    That makes any and all 'stats' just made up numbers to continue to justify this psyop which of course is rampant with lies. Proof of no possible test accuracy was explained by the two doctors in the previously posted Coronavirus Fear, Germ Theory, Exosomes, and Resiliency - Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sayer Ji video who clearly explained in plain english the real medical world standards/requirements for accuracy and what the presence of 'antibodies' at this stage really signifies...... NOTHING.

    I learned that all healthy humans at all times naturally have millions of particles regarded as virus in even just our mouths that our immune system is constantly kicking out antibodies for. What makes any test right now invalid is the lack of having defined the super specific antibody required for accuracy.

    But, even if you haven't watched that video, WHY WHY WHY ARE YOU REPEATERS PARROTING and REACTING TO 'stats' - from the cabal owned system of 1000's of parrots - THAT YOU HAVE NO POSSIBLE WAY OF VERIFYING AS TRUE?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~This disinfo parroting IS HELPING MAKE THINGS WORSE.~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.

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    I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.
    I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

    I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

    I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

    The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.
    I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

    I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

    I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

    The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.

    That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
    I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
    The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.
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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.
    I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

    I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

    I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

    The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.

    That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
    I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
    The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.
    It is sometimes hard to know what is a joke or not when it is written. I didn't include the rest of your post as it was irrelevant to that last line. If you were joking, apologies I took the comment seriously.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    Quote Posted by Sammy (here)
    Quote Posted by waves (here)
    I wish Avalon would at least mandate all stat parroting be prefaced with: 'The latest lie being regurgitated in this psyop is that 120 people supposedly tested positive for the virus in....'.
    I can't (and wouldn't) speak for anyone else but as a veteran, not just of PA, but of the overall "alternative view community" since I cut my teeth on David Icke and The Biggest Secret back in 2002, I can say that I take all information with a grain of salt. I certainly don't need to be told to do so. I have no way to verify what is true (or not) but I can judge the degree to which I put my faith in an information source as to their track record and that is what I do.

    I am experiencing what later becomes much more easily verified as "truthful" coming from the weekday daily news conferences that have been held for a good week or so now relative to the reporting coming from the corporate controlled media purveyors including the social media/search engine information sources. I also have alternative sources for information which I consider, some of which borders on "end of world" theatrics and some of which suggests the virus is a hoax. Each of us decide for ourselves what we take on (assume to be true) and what we discard as false (though it may be closer to the truth).

    I just shared my opinion as to how I stand with regards to the information from A.) vs B). within a set that includes all sorts of other categories of information.

    The moment Avalon starts mandating (like the social media platforms most of us here make examples of - negative examples by the way) any sort of thing like stat referencing (especially when sourced as Bill did above) then Avalon will likely shed significant membership.

    That's taking it personally and shooting back while avoiding the entire mind-damaging issue that the rest of the post was trying to explain clearly.
    I was addressing ANYONE regurgitating unverified mainstream garbage as fact. What's not valid about that?
    The last line was an exaggeration for a joke.
    It is sometimes hard to know what is a joke or not when it is written. I didn't include the rest of your post as it was irrelevant to that last line. If you were joking, apologies I took the comment seriously.
    Ya, having no way to write with the 'inflection' speech implies creates loads of misinterpretation. It's revealing however how different people interpret the same written words.
    I have to disagree however about what was 'irrelevant'. The exaggerated line had everything to do with the point of the post - wishing people would say 'supposedly' when something is not verifiable and has all the earmarks of disinfo.

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