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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
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    US Hospitals are Receiving $63,488 per "CASE" even when the CV19 Test is a SCAM
    Doctors Claim Worldwide that the CV19 PCR Test Does NOT Detect Infectious
    But many other doctors claim the opposite ...
    Your standard claim about PCR tests is wrong -- you are just cherry-picking arguments which serve your agenda. But besides of this issue:

    The usual covid-19 drive-thru testing is not using PCR.

    Greybear, you should learn about some basic facts before you are flooding this forum with nonsense.
    I wonder how many infected persons they would have found after any strong flew season in the past ?

    Yesterday I talked about the bad health effects of mask to the local pharmacist in his shop In the end he said " whatever measure, good or bad, it has to be enforced on the public" (no kidding !) I said NO sir, this is sanitarian dictatorship. He promised to read my printed text about the health and reinfection risks by wearing masks.
    That is how all these many doctors and pharmacists are indoctrinated. As if they are managing cattle while making lots of money on the fear these days. It is really serious in France how the general public is not waking up.
    Emotional comments put aside I am interested to learn more about the validity or not of these drive-thru test stations. That would be useful. And I am waiting to see the necessary study that learns how many PCR test are actually in the false positif zone ( above the threshold of the 34 amplification cycles). That is the vital info we are needing today.
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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    US Hospitals are Receiving $63,488 per "CASE" even when the CV19 Test is a SCAM
    Doctors Claim Worldwide that the CV19 PCR Test Does NOT Detect Infectious
    But many other doctors claim the opposite ...
    Your standard claim about PCR tests is wrong -- you are just cherry-picking arguments which serve your agenda. But besides of this issue:

    The usual covid-19 drive-thru testing is not using PCR.

    Greybear, you should learn about some basic facts before you are flooding this forum with nonsense.
    What agenda?
    Saving my kids from on going lockdown --and untested vaccines?
    With respect I am posting what is happening in the UK to my family
    Chris

    Coronavirus: Boris Johnson considering national restrictions on social lives to curb infections

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...071400681.html

    Coronavirus: Two-week national lockdown in October proposed by top scientists - report

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...225800491.html
    Ps
    Did you actually watch the video?
    The words posted are from the video -- not my opinion..
    If you want to argue with over 1000 Doctors in a European group that started the massive turn out protest in Berlin, perhaps a million demonstrating, If you want to disagree with Robert F Kenney Jnr go ahead
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    Patrick Bet-David has been described by Bill Ryan as "a very smart, semi-mainstream guy with a huge following" so I find it very significant the Patrick has just uploaded an interview with Dr. Thomas Cowan who disputes germ theory.



    Will questioning germ theory become mainstream? I'm not holding my breath.

    I can't believe how much I've learned in the last six months about viruses, vaccines, germ vs. terrain, etc. If it hadn't been for this "pandemic", I would have never been motivated to dig into these subjects and educate myself.

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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    US Hospitals are Receiving $63,488 per "CASE" even when the CV19 Test is a SCAM
    Doctors Claim Worldwide that the CV19 PCR Test Does NOT Detect Infectious
    But many other doctors claim the opposite ...
    Your standard claim about PCR tests is wrong -- you are just cherry-picking arguments which serve your agenda. But besides of this issue:

    The usual covid-19 drive-thru testing is not using PCR.

    Greybear, you should learn about some basic facts before you are flooding this forum with nonsense.
    Silvanelf could you give me more info please.
    I have not seen any evidence that any test can tell the difference between A virus, flu, or cold.
    This is important, could you point me in the right direction.
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    The flu is more dangerous than the Coronavirus to the under 70s!

    This is a great interview, approx 30min long.

    Quote New Bestseller Calls out Covid-19

    German researchers, Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi MD and Dr. Karina Reiss PhD, credited with 360+ publications on Immunology, Virology, Inflammation, & Pathology, have now written a book detailing staggering concerns over Public Health measures taken during the pandemic. They join Del for an eye-opening conversation you don’t want to miss.
    Video at: https://thehighwire.com/videos/bests...-out-covid-19/

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    Thank you pueblo.
    It amazes me that people are in avoidance of the TRUTH which has been posted numerous time on Avalon.
    Not my opinion.
    Expert after expert posted by quite a few members, onawah an amazing researcher -- hours spent by her looking for and revealing the TRUTH.
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    'Adventures with quackademics in Dumbf*ckistan.' - John Anthony West

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    Quote Posted by Philippe (here)
    Emotional comments put aside I am interested to learn more about the validity or not of these drive-thru test stations. That would be useful.
    Here is a paper about the accuracy of these drive-thru tests. It's from a scientific paper, emphasis is mine.

    Quote How did studies assess diagnostic test accuracy?

    Studies tested participants with the rapid point‐of‐care tests. Participants were classified as known to have – and not to have ‐ COVID‐19, by RT‐PCR in all studies. Studies then identified false positive and false negative errors in the point‐of‐care test results, compared to RT‐PCR. False positive tests incorrectly identified COVID‐19 when it was not present, potentially leading to unnecessary self‐isolation and further testing. False negatives missed COVID‐19 when it was present, risking delayed self‐isolation and treatment, and spread of infection.


    What we found

    We found 18 relevant studies. Ten studies took place in North America, four in Europe, two in South America, one in China and one in multiple countries.

    Nine studies deliberately included a high percentage of people with confirmed COVID‐19 or included only people with COVID‐19. Fourteen studies did not provide any information about the people providing the samples for testing and 12 did not provide any information about where people were tested.

    None of the studies reported includedsamples from people without symptoms.


    Main results

    Five studies reported eight evaluations of five different antigen tests. Overall, there was considerable variation between the results of the antigen tests in how well they detected COVID‐19 infection. Tests gave false positive results in less than 1% of samples.

    Thirteen evaluations of four different molecular tests correctly detected an average of 95% of samples with COVID‐19 infection. Around 1% of samples gave false positive results.

    If 1000 people had molecular tests, and 100 (10%) of them really had COVID‐19:

    ‐ 105 people would test positive for COVID‐19. Of these, 10 people (10%) would not have COVID‐19 (false positive result).

    ‐ 895 people would test negative for COVID‐19. Of these, 5 people (1%) would actually have COVID‐19 (false negative result).

    We noted a large difference in COVID‐19 detection between the two most commonly evaluated molecular tests.



    How reliable were the results of the studies?

    Our confidence in the evidence is limited.

    ‐ Three‐quarters of studies did not follow the test manufacturers’ instructions, so may have found different results if they had.

    ‐ Often, studies did not use the most reliable methods or did not report enough information for us to judge their methods. This may have affected estimates of test accuracy, but it is impossible to identify by how much.
    https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr....CD013705/full

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    Resist and Act for Freedom Rally UK


    The Resist and Act for Freedom Rally is taking place tomorrow, Saturday 19th September, at 12 pm at Trafalgar Square, London. This is a medic-focussed event with expert speakers, NHS and police Whistle-blowers. Dr Kevin Corbett and Dr Niall McCrae, who are challenging the Government in our Legal Action, will be speaking so please go along if you can to support them!

    Professor Dolores Cahill and many others will also be speaking along with live video links with Dr Andrew Kaufman, Dr Sherri Tenpenny, Senator Scott Jensen and Dr Carrie Madej. The Guest MC is Kate Shemirani, who did such a great job last month.

    The weather looks good for tomorrow! Large groups please organise yourselves in your bubbles of 6 to stay on the right side of the law!

    Look at the guest list
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    About Operation Moonshot: Testing plan relies on technology that does not exist

    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    With the ‘moon shot’ mass testing that Boris is proposing we see that the government has achieved the means to sequence the whole country- they have wanted this for a long time
    There is a difference between SARS-CoV-2 genome sequencing and genome sequencing the human DNA. But you can't trust these governments, I guess they would like to genome sequence everybody and everything they can get hold of.

    The quote contains some more details.

    The tests listed in the documents are
    In other words, they included all well-known and not so well-known diagnostic methods they could find.

    Quote The Operation Moonshot plans, which could see the government spend over £100bn to ensure 10 million covid-19 tests a day, show it’s likely that new testing technology would need to be developed, validated, procured, and made operational within months to meet the early 2021 deadline.

    Jon Deeks, professor of biostatistics at the University of Birmingham and leader of the Cochrane Collaboration’s covid-19 test evaluation activities, has described the plan as a “nice dream.”

    He told The BMJ, “This is not the way we should be tackling something when people are dying right now: thinking about things we have not got. We should be thinking about the things we have got and we know work. Backing a horse that hasn’t yet been born is a really bad strategy.”

    The Moonshot documents list several covid-19 tests being considered for rollout across the UK, despite some having lower sensitivity than polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests. These would be used “for screening/enabling purposes, with PCR used to confirm positive results or in situations where accuracy is needed for highest risk individuals,” say the documents.

    What do we know about the tests?

    The tests listed in the documents are reverse transcriptase (RT) PCR, Endpoint PCR, LamPORE, Direct LAMP, lateral flow antigen tests, and whole genome sequencing. However, there is not much publicly available evidence for the use of these tests on SARS-CoV-2. What is accessible is mainly from non-peer reviewed preprints of research carried out by the manufacturers.

    For example, in the case of RT-PCR a preprint paper from the company DnaNudge claimed that its point-of-care test, which involves nasopharyngeal swabs, had an average sensitivity of 94.4% (95% confidence interval 86% to 98%) and an overall specificity of 100%.2 It concluded that the test was “specific and rapid” and could detect SARS-CoV-2 “without laboratory handling or sample pre-processing.”

    A study assessing LamPORE (also available as a preprint), carried out by its manufacturer, Oxford Nanopore Technologies, claimed that the test was “rapid, sensitive, and highly scalable.”3 It reported that results could be obtained from 12 samples in about an hour, when starting with extracted RNA, and from 96 samples in less than two hours. It also said that the test correctly identified 79 of 80 positive samples.

    --- snip ---
    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3585

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    Quote Posted by Bullseye (here)
    This is from WHO
    Fair enough its a simple chart but at first glance I would rather have the virus than the flu.
    The evidence coming out now shows that the Flu had a greater morality rate than the virus.
    What really boosted the mortality with the virus was ill elderly people being taken out of hospital and placed in residential care-- lockdown -- no exercise no Doctors visiting little sun (Vit D)

    Very clear specific video -- the virus not deadly as claimed.
    Thanks to pueblo for posting this


    “Bestseller” Book Calls Out Covid-19


    German researchers, Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi MD and Dr. Karina Reiss PhD, credited with 360+ publications on Immunology, Virology, Inflammation, & Pathology, have now written a book detailing staggering concerns over Public Health measures taken during the pandemic. They join Del for an eye-opening conversation you don’t want to miss.

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/bests...-out-covid-19/
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    Almost one third of Covid deaths in July and August 'primarily caused by other conditions'
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    The Telegraph Fri, 18 September 2020,

    Coronavirus was not the main cause of death for nearly one third of recorded Covid-19 victims in July and August, research by Oxford University has found.

    Analysis shows that around 30 percent of people included in the coronavirus death toll by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) over the summer months had died primarily from other conditions.

    It means someone who suffered a heart attack, or even died in a road traffic accident, may have been included in the figures if they had also tested positive for coronavirus at some point, or if doctors believed the virus may have exacerbated their condition.

    Throughout the entire pandemic, around one in 13 people currently classed as Covid-19 victims did not have the disease as an underlying cause of death.

    It means 3,877 deaths (7.8 per cent) in which coronavirus was not the primary cause have been included in the figures. In July and August, that number jumped to 28.8 per cent of all registered deaths, meaning Covid-19 was not the main cause of death in 465 of 1,617 recorded victims (listen to the podcast below, which discusses whether Britain's death toll could be set to increase again).

    Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organisation (WHO) warned that even if coronavirus appeared on the death certificate as a "significant condition", the death should not be included in the figures. WHO guidelines state that such deaths "are not due to Covid-19 and should not be classified as such".

    Dr Jason Oke, part of the team from the Centre of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford that uncovered the data, said many people had been dying "with" coronavirus but not "from" it.

    "At the beginning of the epidemic we only saw this in a few cases, but this is increasing because a lot more people have now had Covid," he said. "The true death rate is an important thing to know because it gives us an idea of impact. Clearly Covid was having a massive impact in March and April, but we need to know if the disease is now taking the same toll as before.

    "The impact now seems to be lessening, and if that is true – which it certainly looks like at the moment, because there doesn’t seem to be the same fatality rate (see graphic below, showing fatality rates across Europe) – then that will guide decisions in managing risk, so it's important to get this number right."

    The team uncovered the figures after comparing the number of registered deaths where coronavirus was not the main cause to the ONS data.

    During the pandemic, 263,826 deaths were recorded altogether in England and Wales and 218,143 were from causes other than coronavirus. That suggests that some 45,683 people died "from" coronavirus rather than the 49,560 figure published by the ONS.

    Experts at Oxford are concerned that the problem with over-counting will get worse as more people in the population contract coronavirus. They are worried it means thousands more people died at the peak because of the pandemic response rather than because of the virus and have been wrongly included in the Covid-19 statistics.

    "In the lockdown, there may have been even more deaths that were not caused by Covid, but were caused by the actions of lockdown – and that is important to know," added Dr Oke.

    The team is the same one that discovered that Public Health England (PHE) had been wrongly counting people as having died from the virus if they had ever tested positive.

    That led to Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, ordering an urgent review of the data, and in August the UK death toll was revised downwards by 5,377 to 41,329 and now only include deaths that occur within 28 days of a positive test.

    However, Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said it was very difficult for doctors to be able to tell how much of an impact Covid-19 had on an underlying condition.

    "It's a difficult judgment call to make," he said. "Say, for example, you've got a patient who has got leukaemia, they get Covid, and a couple of weeks later they die.

    "There is evidence they had got some degree of pneumonia, so what do you put as the primary cause of death? How much is because of Covid is not easy to say. The primary cause is leukemia, but they might not have died if they had not got Covid."



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    DARPA = Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
    The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is a research and development agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of emerging technologies for use by the military.

    A DARPA-Funded Implantable Biochip To Detect COVID-19 Could Hit Markets By 2021

    The most significant scientific discovery since gravity has been hiding in plain sight for nearly a decade and its destructive potential to humanity is so enormous that the biggest war machine on the planet immediately deployed its vast resources to possess and control it, financing its research and development through agencies like the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and HHS’ BARDA.


    The revolutionary breakthrough came to a Canadian scientist named Derek Rossi in 2010 purely by accident. The now-retired Harvard professor claimed in an interview with the National Post that he found a way to “reprogram” the molecules that carry the genetic instructions for cell development in the human body, not to mention all biological lifeforms.

    These molecules are called ‘messenger ribonucleic acid’ or mRNA and the newfound ability to rewrite those instructions to produce any kind of cell within a biological organism has radically changed the course of Western medicine and science, even if no one has really noticed yet. As Rossi, himself, puts it: “The real important discovery here was you could now use mRNA, and if you got it into the cells, then you could get the mRNA to express any protein in the cells, and this was the big thing.”

    It was so big that by 2014, Rossi was able to retire after the company he co-founded with Flagship Pioneering private equity firm to exploit his innovation, – Moderna Inc., attracted almost a half billion dollars in federal award monies to begin developing vaccines using the technology. No longer affiliated with Moderna beyond his stock holdings, Rossi is just “watching for what happens next” and if he’s anything like the doting “hockey dad” he is portrayed to be, he must be horrified.

    Remote control biology
    As early as 2006, DARPA was already researching how to identify viral, upper respiratory pathogens through its Predicting Health and Disease (PHD) program, which led to the creation of the agency’s Biological Technologies Office (BTO), as reported by Whitney Webb in a May article for The Last American Vagabond. In 2014, DARPA’s BTO launched its “In Vivo Nanoplatforms” (IVN) program, which researches implantable nanotechnologies, leading to the development of ‘hydrogel’.

    Hydrogel is a nanotechnology whose inventor early on boasted that “If [it] pans out, with approval from FDA, then consumers could get the sensors implanted in their core to measure their levels of glucose, oxygen, and lactate.” This contact lens-like material requires a special injector to be introduced under the skin where it can transmit light-based digital signals through a wireless network like 5G.


    A penny aside a 3D printed hydrogel model of a lung-mimicking air sac in Rice University’s Houston BRC lab. Melissa Phillip | Houston Chronicle via AP

    Once firmly implanted inside the body, human cells are at the mercy of any mRNA program delivered via this substrate, unleashing a nightmare of possibilities. It is, perhaps, the first true step towards full-on transhumanism; a “philosophy” that is in vogue with many powerful and influential people, such as Google’s Ray Kurzweil and Eric Schmidt and whose proponents see the fusion of technology and biology as an inevitable consequence of human progress.

    The private company created to market this technology, that allows for biological processes to be controlled remotely and opens the door to the potential manipulation of our biological responses and, ultimately, our entire existence, is called Profusa Inc and its operations are funded with millions from NIH and DARPA. In March, the company was quietly inserted into the crowded COVID-19 bazaar in March 2020, when it announced an injectable biochip for the detection of viral respiratory diseases, including COVID-19.

    A wholly-owned subsidiary
    In July, a preliminary report funded by Fauci’s NIAID and the NIH on an mRNA Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 was published in The New England Journal of Medicine, concluding that mRNA-1273 vaccine. provided by Moderna for the study, “induced anti–SARS-CoV-2 immune responses in all participants, and no trial-limiting safety concerns were identified,” and supported “further development of this vaccine.”

    A month earlier, the NIH had claimed a joint stake in Moderna’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, citing a contract signed in December, 2019, stipulating that the “mRNA coronavirus vaccine candidates [are] developed and jointly owned” by both parties. Moderna disputes the federal government’s position, stating that the company “has a broad owned and licensed IP estate” and is “not aware of any IP that would prevent us from commercializing our product candidates, including mRNA-1273.”


    A poster seeking volunteers to take part in a COVID-19 vaccine study by the NIH and Moderna Inc., July 27, 2020, in Binghamton, N.Y. Hans Pennink | AP

    The only obstacle is a delivery system, which though Moderna claims to be developing separately, is unlikely to get FDA approval before the federal government’s own DARPA-developed hydrogel technology, in tandem with Profusa’s DARPA-funded light sensor technology, which is expected to receive fast track authorization from the Food and Drug Administration by early 2021 and, more than likely, used to deploy a coronavirus vaccine with the capacity to literally change our DNA.

    In addition, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is currently investigating Moderna’s patent filings, claiming it failed to disclose “federal government support” in its COVID vaccine candidate patent applications, as required by law. The technicality could result in the federal government owning a 100 percent stake in mRNA-1273.

    Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/da...t-markets-2021

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    US Hospitals are Receiving $63,488 per "CASE" even when the CV19 Test is a SCAM
    Doctors Claim Worldwide that the CV19 PCR Test Does NOT Detect Infectious
    But many other doctors claim the opposite ...
    Your standard claim about PCR tests is wrong -- you are just cherry-picking arguments which serve your agenda. But besides of this issue:

    The usual covid-19 drive-thru testing is not using PCR.

    Greybear, you should learn about some basic facts before you are flooding this forum with nonsense.
    Please read this.
    "The use of the non-specific PCR test, which produces many false positives, showed an exponential picture. This test was rushed through with an emergency procedure and was never seriously self-tested. The creator expressly warned that this test was intended for research and not for diagnostics.7
    The PCR test works with cycles of amplification of genetic material – a piece of genome is amplified each time. Any contamination (e.g. other viruses, debris from old virus genomes) can possibly result in false positives.

    The test does not measure how many viruses are present in the sample. A real viral infection means a massive presence of viruses, the so-called virus load. If someone tests positive, this does not mean that that person is actually clinically infected, is ill or is going to become ill. Koch’s postulate was not fulfilled (“The pure agent found in a patient with complaints can provoke the same complaints in a healthy person”).

    Since a positive PCR test does not automatically indicate active infection or infectivity, this does not justify the social measures taken, which are based solely on these tests. "

    https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/

    As said several time the test is not fit for the purpose.
    Its no like pregnancy test that Boris compares it with -- you either pregnant or not
    The various tests do not prove that the person is infected or not -- it can pick up traces of any flu like past in infection.
    A positive test means what exactly?
    Whatever, truly it can not justify the measures being taken and that has been my point since the first lock down.
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    'There was no science' behind COVID lockdowns



    American lawyer Michael Senger says the COVID-19 lockdowns “might not even be science at all” but are based on Xi Jinping’s philosophy which also inspired the re-education of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.

    Mr Senger said Xi Jinping’s philosophy was the same hybrid of health and security policy which inspired the re-education of millions of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.

    “This is the exact same policy that inspired his lockdown of Wuhan ... there was actually no science behind it,” he said.

    “The WHO explicitly says that says lockdowns are completely new to science, completely unprecedented and have no scientific literature behind them before XI Jinping ordered them,” he said.

    Mr Senger said the CCP has been using social media propaganda to push for the lockdown measures practiced in Wuhan to be implemented in countries around the world.

    “An Israeli company identified an huge ring of tweets, thousands and thousands of tweets, using essentially identical language, denigrating all these other governments, essentially encouraging them to adopt China’s model,” he said.

    Mr Senger added there was an apparent connection between countries and states with closer links to China and how willing they were to implement the lockdown policy.

    “This to me suggests that China is suggesting they do this,” he said.

    “They’re probably more inclined to trust China’s response to the pandemic.

    “That is a horrible mistake ….no one will ever eliminate the coronavirus by lockdowns.”
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    'No Evidence' Of Covid-19 Second Wave In UK, Says Top Oxford Scientist

    Rachel WearmouthPolitical correspondent, HuffPost UK
    HuffPost UKSun, 20 September 2020, 10:50 am BST

    There is “no evidence” of a second wave of coronavirus and the government cannot afford a “harsh” second lockdown, a top scientist has said.

    Professor Carl Heneghan, director for the centre of evidence-based medicine at Oxford University, called for Boris Johnson to take a “a slower, analytical approach” ahead of a “long winter” beset by Covid-19 and other flu-like infections.

    It comes after the prime minister warned a second wave “is coming” on Friday, as he hinted further restrictions were likely to follow this week.

    On Friday, the “R” rate of the virus jumped to between 1.1 and 1.4, with the number of daily infections reaching more than 4,000 on Friday.

    But Heneghan told Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday: “There’s no evidence right now of what’s called a second wave.”

    Asked if Johnson was wrong to claim there was, he added it was was “complicated” science for ministers, saying: “This is a seasonal effect now, if it becomes worse and it impacts on disease, then yes, that’s the point when we have restrictive measures, but that time is not now.”

    He went on to caution that the country must swerve “harsh measures” immediately to curb the spread of Covid-19, adding: “What we have to do now is slow down, this is a long winter.”

    He said: “What we’re seeing is that the virus is operating in a seasonal way.

    “As we’ve gone back to schools, actually what’s happened now is we’ve seen about a 60% increase in consultations for all the acute respiratory infections and that’s what’s driving the problems in the Test and Trace programme.

    “All the young children who have coughs and colds and these infections, one is called rhinovirus.

    “As we look at the data, Covid is operating in a similar seasonal way, and mirroring those respiratory infections, so what we have to do now is slow down, this is a long winter.

    “We can’t afford to go now with harsh measures … the impact on the economy here is going to be significant.”

    Health secretary Matt Hancock, meanwhile, said there was a danger the infection rate could “shoot through the roof” if people did not follow the new “rule of six” on social gatherings.

    It also follows ministers announcing a new £10,000 fine for those who fail to self-isolate.

    Speaking to Sky News, Hancock said: “I am very worried about this second wave. “We have seen in other countries around Europe how it can absolutely shoot through the roof.”

    Adding he was “very worried”, he hinted a second national lockdown was possible.

    “The nation faces a tipping point.”

    He added: “We have a choice. Either everybody follows the rules – the rule of six and the need to self-isolate if you have a positive test or if you are contacted by NHS Test and Trace – or we will have to take more measures.”

    The health secretary also said it is still possible there could be a coronavirus vaccine before the end of the year.

    “There is still hope that we will get one of the vaccines over the line this year. The Oxford vaccine is still at the front of the queue. More likely is next year, and probably the early part of next year,” he told BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show.

    “We have got the cavalry coming over the next few months – the vaccine, the mass testing and the improvements in treatments – but we have got to all follow the rules between now and then to keep people safe.”

    Labour leader Keir Starmer has said he will support the government should it impose a second lockdown, but blamed the government’s failure to get a grip of testing for the recent spike in cases.

    Related...

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    This article originally appeared on HuffPost UK and has been updated.


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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    US Hospitals are Receiving $63,488 per "CASE" even when the CV19 Test is a SCAM
    Doctors Claim Worldwide that the CV19 PCR Test Does NOT Detect Infectious
    But many other doctors claim the opposite ...
    Your standard claim about PCR tests is wrong -- you are just cherry-picking arguments which serve your agenda. But besides of this issue:

    The usual covid-19 drive-thru testing is not using PCR.

    Greybear, you should learn about some basic facts before you are flooding this forum with nonsense.
    What agenda?
    Saving my kids from on going lockdown --and untested vaccines?
    With respect I am posting what is happening in the UK to my family
    Chris

    Coronavirus: Boris Johnson considering national restrictions on social lives to curb infections

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...071400681.html

    Coronavirus: Two-week national lockdown in October proposed by top scientists - report

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronaviru...225800491.html
    Ps
    Did you actually watch the video?
    The words posted are from the video -- not my opinion..
    If you want to argue with over 1000 Doctors in a European group that started the massive turn out protest in Berlin, perhaps a million demonstrating, If you want to disagree with Robert F Kenney Jnr go ahead
    My loyalty is to my family.
    Chris
    Iam with Chris here,his posts are accurate on what is going on in the u.k.if anything Chris is only posting about half of what's going on.its daily changes, I feel the u.k is one of the epicentre's in pushing covid on unexpecting nations.the way you have gone about this rebuke Silvan is damn rude

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