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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

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    So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
    Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

    Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

    In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth, he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

    This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

    And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

    Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

    So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

    But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

    Here are his closing words in the interview:
    You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
    Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

    (Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. )

    From my understanding on his take on bacteria it is that bacteria will only become an issue in a terrain that is unhealthy. He gives an example of bacteria found in milk. I can't remember the type of bacteria but he examines 2 points of view. One is that the cow is infected with bacteria and needs antibiotics, another is that the bacteria are there because there are toxins that the bacteria are cleaning up. they are seeking balance of the healthy system. The bacteria are a response to the terrain.

    I have seen numerous cases of flesh eating type scenarios where bacteria are ravaging a body. It could be because the body is so out of balance and toxic that it has generated an overabundance of a specific type of bacteria trying desperately to clean it up. It can be so toxic that the bacteria eventually overtake the body in some cases. In a healthy setting we have all kinds of bacteria. We wouldn't exist without them. When our terrain becomes toxic it may seem that bacteria are the enemy but the real "enemy" may be the toxic or malnourished state that stimulated these bacteria to clean up in the first place. How is it we have supposed good bacteria and bad bacteria?

    Can someone become so toxic that they are die from a bacterial invasion, absolutely but is it simply because the bacteria are an enemy that you were unfortunate enough to come up against or are they simply trying to maintain balance?

    I'm not saying this is most likely true in every situation. I wouldn't be sure what would happen if one is walking through a bacteria infested water with a cut in the foot. Then one might come up against a different situation.

    I am not stating I know this as a fact but it makes sense. I have gone over hundreds of very sick people I have dealt with and I have contemplated both points of view. Either could be possible, but nature seeks to balance, not to destroy just for the heck of it.

    Once again, I'm not claiming I know it all....just considering this. One thing I do absolutely know for sure is that making viruses and bacteria the enemy is very,very profitable for big pharma. I think we can all agree on that.

    I love you guys, isn't it fun to have a bit of a debate...I have so many questions about how things work. I am so happy I haven't lost my curiosity and this amazing planet never lets me down.

    Nature can look very harsh at times, but it always makes sense.
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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-1...c-946e6ef8c6dd

    Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

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    A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-1...c-946e6ef8c6dd
    Also see this Jon Rappoport interview from 7 October, a couple of months ago:
    The non-existent virus; an explosive interview with Christine Massey

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey. Once again, someone with the skills to research the confirmation of isolation of the virus has provided some very interesting information. Her understanding how to word thing and how to work the system to get the exact information she is looking for is so important. Many have been confused about the isolation issue.

    I understand that the implications of this level of deception are really hard to comprehend. The basis of germ theory goes back to Pasteur and maybe before that. Looks like Pasteur may have been another Anthony Fauci.

    Considering any of this has been very difficult for me. The programming and fear I have around bacteria and viruses i very deep and heavily held. To accept this is kind of earth shattering really. But I just want to get to the accuracy of this reality, whatever that is. If it means my life has been sort of a bad joke, so be it.

    Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.

    One thing you will see in the Beauchamp vs Pasteur history is that the choice that allowed the elites to make the most money and have the greatest control won the day.

    There are a huge number of doctors persecuted for challenging the narrative for a long time as well...

    I very much appreciate that you are willing to look at this, regardless of what you personally feel is the truth.


    Germ Theory Versus Terrain: The Wrong Side Won the Day



    Whereas most Americans probably have heard of Louis Pasteur (1822–1895), it is doubtful that many are familiar with the name and work of Antoine Béchamp (1816–1908). The two nineteenth-century researchers were scientific contemporaries, compatriots and fellow members of the French Academy of Science, but key differences in their views on biology and disease pathology led to a prolonged rivalry both within and outside of the Academy.1

    Béchamp was the more brilliant thinker, but Pasteur had political connections, including Emperor Napoleon III. Reportedly not above “plagiarising and distorting Béchamp’s research,”2 Pasteur achieved fame and fortune largely because his views “were in tune with the science and the politics of his day.”1 Meanwhile, mainstream medical historians relegated Béchamp’s ideas—not as attractive to conventional thinkers—to the intellectual dustbin.3

    Pasteur’s promotion of germ theory (a flawed notion that he did not so much “discover” as repackage) has remained “dear to pharmaceutical company executives’ hearts” up to the present day,4 having laid the groundwork for “synthetic drugs, chemotherapy, radiation, surgical removal of body parts and vaccines” to become the “medicine[s] of choice.”5 The unshakeable belief that there is one microbe for every illness is so ingrained as the “controlling medical idea for the Western world” that competing ideas about disease causation still have difficulty gaining traction.6

    Over a century after the two Frenchmen’s demise, why bother to revisit their place in history? The answer is that the scientific (and industry) bias in favor of Pasteur’s model has not served the public’s health—to the contrary. Two decades into the twenty-first century, dismal national and international health statistics utterly belie the hype about medical advances.7 In the U.S., for example, over half of all children have one or more chronic conditions,8 as does a comparable proportion of millennials9 and up to 62 percent of Medicaid-population adults.10 Most health care dollars spent in the U.S. (86 percent) are for patients with at least one chronic condition.10 Similar trends are on the rise around the world.11

    For those who are able to steel themselves against medical propaganda, it is abundantly clear that the Pasteurian paradigm has failed to deliver. With Americans in such a shocking state of ill health,12 we cannot afford to let the profit-driven pharmaceutical perspective continue to dominate. As one writer more bluntly puts it, “The sooner we get over the legacy of Pasteur’s fake science and get back to reality the better.”13

    CELEBRITY VS. HERETIC
    History awarded renown to the reductionist Pasteur for being the “father of immunology”14 and popularizing the theory that disease involves “a simple interaction between specific microorganisms and a host.”15 In his singleminded focus on the germ side of the equation, Pasteur ignored the host and discounted the influence of environmental factors, thereby “conveniently dismissing social responsibility for disease.”15

    Both at the time and thereafter, the public and most fellow scientists found germ theory easy to embrace, perceiving Pasteur’s model of life and health to be not only “superficially plausible” but also “financially exploitable.”3 In fact, most of the big-name pharmaceutical companies that we know today got their start in Pasteur’s era, often by merging with chemical firms, united in their goal of developing and selling synthetic products to “selectively kill or immobilize parasites, bacteria, and other invasive disease-causing microbes.”16 Quoting comments by Ethel Douglas Hume in 1923,17 one author has remarked that Pasteur’s “greatest claim to fame ought to have been the inauguration of the ‘calamitous prostitution of science and medicine to commercialism.’”3

    Béchamp, according to his fans, held a rather “marvelous view of the life process”3 and espoused a more nuanced perspective on infectious and chronic illness—for which history branded him a heretic. Much of Béchamp’s work centered on the biological role of fermentation.18 He coined the term “microzymas” (from zyme, the ancient Greek word for a ferment)19 to describe tiny particles that he viewed as the “primary anatomical elements of all living beings”—“the beginning and end of all organization.”20 Béchamp viewed these particles as living entities precisely because of their “power of movement and production of fermentation.”20 Subsequent generations of open-minded researchers agreed with Béchamp’s pioneering observations about microparticles as the fundamental unit of biology, with the most recent research in this vein proposing a new genetic theory and a “universal life paradigm” involving spontaneous self-assembly of DNA.21

    Béchamp’s various discoveries led him to conclude that our bodies are, in effect, “miniecosystems.” When an individual’s internal ecosystem becomes weakened—whether due to poor nutrition, toxicity or other factors—it changes the function of the microbes that are naturally present in the body, producing disease.20 In other words, microorganisms only become pathogenic after environmental factors cause the host’s cellular “terrain” to deteriorate.15

    As one example of the powerful influence of weakening forces on the host’s ecosystem, a mid-1980s study looked at French children who experienced complications of wild-type varicella (chickenpox).22 (Note: France has never implemented varicella vaccination.) Although three deaths resulted from what is ordinarily an extremely benign childhood illness, all three fatalities took place within a subset of nine children who had been taking steroid medications on a long-term basis. In comparison, ninety-four previously healthy children recovered from varicella without incident. The researchers concluded that the deaths occurred “as a function of the [weakened] terrain.”

    PROBLEMS OF OUR OWN MAKING
    Many of the disease phenomena making news headlines these days underscore the deficiencies of the pharmaceutical model and reveal challenges that are the direct result of our take-no-prisoners assault on germs.

    For example, dangerous superbugs23,24 are emerging—largely due to overuse of “anti-everything” drugs such as antibiotics and antifungals—and are ushering in a potential return “to a world in which infectious diseases drastically shorten lives.”25 Some have estimated that drug-resistant pathogens will become a bigger killer than cancer by 2050.25

    Although the conventional pharmacopeia that created the superbug problem has thus far been helpless to address it, experts are unwilling to step out of the lucrative Pasteurian mindset. Thus, leading researchers at Harvard, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Cincinnati Children’s Hospital suggest that the solution to superbugs is. . .more antibiotics, plus vaccines!25 In proposing vaccines as a response, the trio of establishment researchers makes the argument that vaccines are “evolution-proof” and do not generate resistance.25 The GSK researcher also confidently asserts that vaccination is “the most effective medical intervention that has ever been introduced”—and gives Pasteur considerable credit.26

    INCONVENIENT FACTS
    The complacent attitude that vaccines are the answer for everything sidesteps many inconvenient facts—documented by numerous studies—showing that vaccines are far from predictable or beneficial. In fact, in refutation of the static perspective promoted by Pasteur and evoked by the authors who want to use super-vaccines to solve superbug problems, vaccines not only increasingly fail to protect recipients against the microbes they target but are promoting increased susceptibility to vaccine strains as well as other strains and pathogens, while also augmenting disease severity.27

    For example:

    • Children who receive pertussis-containing vaccines are more susceptible to pertussis “throughout their lifetimes”;28 five years after completing a pertussis vaccine series, a child will be up to fifteen times more likely to acquire pertussis than in the first year after receiving the vaccine series.29

    • Flu shots make people more susceptible to other severe respiratory viruses,30 and people who get flu shots annually are more susceptible to non-vaccine strains of influenza.31

    • In clinical trials of Merck’s human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil, women with evidence of current or prior exposure to HPV had a 44 percent increased risk of developing cervical lesions or cancer after receiving the vaccine.32

    • Waning vaccine-based immunity has increased measles33 and mumps34 severity in the most vulnerable age groups.

    Béchamp surely would have had some comments about these significant breakdowns in vaccination’s underlying assumptions. In addition, he likely would have been disturbed by the vaccine industry’s little-discussed reliance on DNA from species such as birds, dogs, monkeys, cows, pigs, mice and insects in vaccine manufacturing.35 Noting Béchamp’s belief that “an organism’s microzymas are unique to it, and are not interchangeable with those of another,” a modern author suggests that Béchamp would disapprove of introducing microzymas “proper to one species. . .into an animal of another species”—which is exactly what vaccines do.3 This author continues:

    How. . .foolhardy is it then, when vaccinal microzymas are not only from another species, but are already morbidly evolved and are accompanied by preservatives, formaldehyde, and other chemicals? There is no sanity whatever to this practice. The best that can be said about it is that it may prevent, against the odds, the appearance of varying sets of symptoms. But this is at the price of weakening the immune system, toxifying the body, and possibly setting the stage for degenerative symptoms later in life—all the while doing absolutely nothing for, except perhaps worsening, the underlying disease condition.

    The picture of weakening and degeneration painted in the previous quote is in fact precisely what is now occurring on a massive scale. In his 2018 book Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness, Dr. Thomas Cowan (founding Weston A. Price Foundation board member) describes how “immune system imbalance disorders” are debilitating both children and adults in record numbers “unheard of before the introduction of mass vaccination programs.”36 Explaining why the (Pasteur-influenced) model of vaccine-induced immunity is so flawed, Cowan notes that vaccines deliberately favor and provoke one type of immune response (antibodies) but short-circuit the other crucial prong of our immune system (cell-mediated activity). In short, vaccines generate a state of “excessive antibody production”—and “this excessive antibody production actually defines autoimmune disease” [emphasis in original].36

    GUT HEALTH
    The worrisome iatrogenic challenges posed by superbugs and vaccine failure are bad enough. However, the Pasteur-influenced medical model also must accept a share of blame for the widespread disruption of the human microbiome that is such a standout feature of the modern ill-health picture.37 Awareness of the intestinal microbiome’s critical importance in providing “resilience against external perturbation” 38 has increased in recent years, in tandem with awareness of the factors exerting an adverse influence on gut health. The latter include antibiotics, of course, but also toxins such as glyphosate, which alters the gastrointestinal microbiome in favor of pathogenic microbes.39 Diminished microorganism diversity in the gut has been associated with conditions as varied as “allergy, diabetes, obesity, arthritis, inflammatory bowel diseases and. . .neuropsychiatric disorders.”40

    Researchers who study the microbiome point out that under optimal circumstances, exposure to microorganisms educates the immune system “from the moment we are born”—and that “correct microbial-based education of immune cells may be critical in preventing the development of autoimmune diseases and cancer.”40 Reflecting this knowledge, Cowan devotes an entire chapter in his autoimmunity book to gut ecology (“the preserver of our integrity”) and to the ways in which this form of “early education” can go awry even from birth.36

    Factors that compromise microbiome diversity, probably synergistically, include C-sections (which prevent babies from picking up healthy microbes in the birth canal); vaginal birth to mothers whose own internal ecology is skewed by prior antibiotic use or other factors; the standard American diet, full of genetically modified (GM) ingredients and antibiotics and lacking in live cultured and fermented foods; ubiquitous glyphosate; and, finally, vaccination. Regarding the latter, Cowan states:

    [I]t has been shown that vaccination does have a direct effect on the microbiome and gut permeability even when given intramuscularly, not orally. The precise mechanism of how this happens is unknown, but I believe that anytime you affect the balance of immune response, you affect the largest and most important organ system of immune response that we have—the gut.

    PARADIGM LOST
    If the medical community were honest, it would be forced to admit that the model of disease that catapulted Pasteur to fame has played itself out and is pushing us to disability and death.

    Here and there, scientists working within the mainstream framework recognize this. For example, researchers tackling the problem of multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis (TB) acknowledge that a wide variety of factors increases host susceptibility to TB and TB mortality, including “immune-dysregulation from any cause (including stress, poor living conditions, socioeconomic factors, micronutrient deficiencies, HIV), malnutrition, aberrant or excess host inflammatory response to infection, alcohol and substance abuse, co-morbidities with noncommunicable diseases such as diabetes, smoking, and chronic obstructive airways disease, [and] pneumoconiosis.”41 They suggest, therefore, that it is time to build on “the historical Pasteur-Bechamp debates on the role of the ‘microbe’ vs the ‘host internal milieu’ in disease causation” and invest in “host-directed therapies” (HDTs) that “alter the ‘host terrain’ in favor of the host.” Unfortunately, what HDTs mean to this group of researchers is. . .more pharmaceutical interventions.41

    Realistically, we cannot expect researchers who receive direct or indirect funding from the pharmaceutical industry to suggest commonsense steps for supporting or strengthening the immune system. If Béchamp were around today, chances are that his recommendations would be more sound, emphasizing basics such as high-quality nutrition and excellent sleep. At a deeper level, Cowan also reminds us that the quest for a life of “abundance, joy, and meaning” is equally important and sustaining to our health.

    SIDEBAR

    GETTING OUT OF THE WAY
    “Our job as parents, doctors, and caretakers for children is mostly to observe and, only when needed, help guide a process to its healthy conclusion. But mostly we don’t. We intervene. We manage. We attempt to control. Doing something, anything, temporarily assuages our fears (and creates massive industries in the process).

    The result, however, is. . .a medicalized society that must devote huge resources to dealing with sick people; as the amount of medicine in our world increases, so, too, does the amount of sickness. Beyond a certain basic level of care, use of more medicine not only undermines an individual’s freedom and autonomy, but also degrades a society’s health.”

    SOURCE: Thomas Cowan, Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness. White River Junction, VT: Chelsea Green Publishing;
    2018, p. 137.

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    So in so many words you are basically saying Dr. Cowan is full of hot air.
    Well, the problem with the interview is that Gareth Icke, though I don't intend any personal criticism of him or his intentions at all, isn't knowledgeable or experienced enough to be asking good questions.

    Dr Cowan's thesis extends way beyond criticism of the vaxx agenda and the unhealthiness of fear of the virus (or, more accurately, of covid).

    In his 2020 book The Contagion Myth, he argues that not only do viruses not cause disease, but bacteria don't either.

    This generates a huge historical problem. That means he has to explain how come The Black Death (bubonic plague) killed so many millions (and was most definitely contagious), what smallpox really was and how come it spread so easily in communities, how come billions of dollars, rubles or yuan have been spent on bioweapon research (rather a waste of money if the weapons don't and can't exist!), the well-documented history of cholera and tuberculosis (both still a major problem) and also ebola, and on and on and on and on.

    And he has to explain how antibiotics work. (And they do.)

    Something is contagious. Never mind whether it's a virus, a bacterium, or something else we can't easily see or detect. Something real is causing all this suffering. It's not because people are somehow living 'unhealthy lives', or have malfunctioning bodily systems, and then, magically, identical symptoms manifest all across the world, centuries apart.

    So yes, it's 'hot air' as regards his principal big-picture thesis. There's way too much in-your-face evidence to the contrary.

    But that's being conflated with legitimate criticism of the vaxx agenda and the fear being spread about covid. These are not all the same issue.

    Here are his closing words in the interview:
    You don't wear a mask, and you don't social-distance, and you don't inject yourself with poisons, and all that's easy because if there's no virus, none of these things have any relevance, there's no lab-created virus, there's no engineered virus, there's no 'natural immunity', there's no 'vaccine immunity', there's no pathogenic priming, there's no antibody-dependent enhancement, there's none of that stuff. If there's no virus, you don't have to think about any of that, because it's all make-believe.
    Some of that is true. And some of it isn't.

    (Note to self: this particular conversation should really be moved to the Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all thread, and I'll do that a little later once the Tom Cowan conversation here seems to have run its course. )
    I too was thinking similar thoughts regarding the reality (or not) of virus's, (probably not the plural, shrug), something is contagious as should be evident to everyone who has ever shared space with another who merely has the common cold and woke up the following day with same.

    Just today I dropped a vehicle with someone who was cleary full of the cold, so I enquired - "Full of the cold?"

    "Yeah, just had my daughter at the clinic for her flu spray and of course the whole house has it now".

    Not sure thats how vaccines are supposed to be so efficient but let me continue. Contagion is obvious and yet, as in the video below, none of the damn stuff can be isolated!

    Now I can imagine a whole bunch of sleeping pre-programmed soldiers awakening and picking up their little canisters to dutifully go out and spray certain locations worldwide in this current era of madness, BUT, that cannot account for contagion throughout the ages.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A new interview by Mike Adams with Christine Massey, who gives one of the clearest presentations I've heard so far about the apparent impossibility of finding definitive evidence for the isolation of Sars-CoV-2.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cdf766f0-1...c-946e6ef8c6dd

    Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/cdf766f0-15a2-4502-911c-946e6ef8c6dd
    It is obvious that Fauci is a complete charlatan and their IS an agenda afoot. As per Bill Gates. These guys are psycho's and perhaps the entire Schwab bloodline is also. But as Wade Frazier frequently comments its only 1% conspiracy and 99%, umm, something else. (Complacency?)

    It only takes 1%

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Mix a little ignorance with a lot of enthusiasm and all the players fall neatly into line. That does not negate the existence of conspiracies. (Actually I should bring that up with Wade).

    Something is afoot and Big Pharma has a lot to do with it, along with Bohemian Grove orgies and the super rich deciding the planet would be a lot better off if the population just consisted of people in their tribe. (That would be people who have at least a billion).

    Constance isn't here currently to point me to the study, and I'm far to laid back (lazy) to go and look for it myself - but the more money you have the less likely you are to believe the rules apply to you.

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    I have a motto I stick to religiously, even when it does not apply. It goes like this:
    "The best way to remain healthy is to not get sick."

    That seems like a no-brainer, but there is something to it. What it is saying is that maintaining health is by far the best way to not get sick.

    That requires a little intuitive snooping and a bit of co-operative listening, the rest comes naturally. The body knows what it needs and it will tell you what that is if you are listening and open to its input. Contrarily, the body will quickly regress to a state of ill health if you don't listen to the early warning signals.

    On this basis alone, I am convinced that the medical industry has barked up the wrong tree. And like a cat, it was easy going up, but now it will take a miracle, or a fire-fighter, to get them back down again and onto solid ground.

    The medical system is a racket, probably the worst of all our institutions, except for the monetary system that underlies them all. It needs to be torn down and discarded. It is not serving us at all. Instead we serve it with our faith and our health, and the system takes both and abuses them no end.

    To me it is about the meaning of a thing, and there is very little of that in this modern world. We are building a world that has no direction, no goal, and most egregiously, no soul. The secular world holds science as their god and scientism as their religion - and technology as manna from heaven!

    So long as the citizenry values trinkets they are willing to work another hour for, our world will continue to hurtle towards its destruction. Pointless civilizations result in collapse. It has always been so.

    I guess we need another lesson, and another reset - and another turn around the galactic center. Let's hope the next time around we hold onto some common sense and establish some common goals so we can add some meaning again to our lives.
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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

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    Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey.

    [... snip...]

    Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.
    Yes. I posted the interview because it was interesting and detailed. But my issues/questions are:
    • Regardless of whether "viruses" exist (as we believe we know them), something makes nasty diseases contagious. One can't ignore the well-documented history of the Black Death and smallpox, or more recently ebola in Africa. Much much else, too.
    • Why have many nations invested billions or dollars, rubles or yuan in biowarfare research? If "viruses don't exist", what are these government scientists doing in their labs?
    • How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Bill, Thank you so much for sharing the information from Christine Massey.

    [... snip...]

    Maybe it opens the door to more questions than answers.
    Yes. I posted the interview because it was interesting and detailed. But my issues/questions are:
    • Regardless of whether "viruses" exist (as we believe we know them), something makes nasty diseases contagious. One can't ignore the well-documented history of the Black Death and smallpox, or more recently ebola in Africa. Much much else, too.
    • Why have many nations invested billions or dollars, rubles or yuan in biowarfare research? If "viruses don't exist", what are these government scientists doing in their labs?
    • How do those who claim that "viruses don't exist" explain the substantial paper trail of evidence of gain of function research in Wuhan? What functions are "gained"? (Something sure seems to have been.)

    My personal thoughts and that's all they are. Number one. What if we do spread respiratory information with each other through something like exosomes, meant to communicate information with others. What if that was exploited and modified? So we are talking about essentially the same end result but the difference is that the origin was not this evil virus it was a manipulation of a system that is supposed to be beneficial. This is the boiweapon angle.

    What about resonance? I have seen how effective homeopathy can be. If you get the right remedy it can be very profound. Basically all you are getting is the resonance of a substance. The amount is so diluted that the actual substance itself is almost non existence and yet that simple resonance can have marvelous results. What if community illnesses are based on resonance at some level? Or manipulation of resonance? What if those little packets of dna/rna information don't work through contagion, what if they work through subtle resonance, much like homeopathy. What if resonance is created seasonally as well? What if fall is a good time to detox, so that is what we call cold and flu season? Why should viruses be more effective at certain times of year? The are nonliving/living things and really they should work pretty much the same at any time, at least that seems logical.

    Belief and the placebo effect. Even mainstream medicine will admit there is huge power in belief and how it can manifest what we call the physical reality. I don't think we should underestimate the power of that that.

    Many epidemics correspond to either the advent of electrical changes on the planet or other changes that have occurred. It seems the miraculous human body will eventually adapt but what me call disease may in fact be a detoxing effect as well as resonance adjustment?

    Historically, we have been lied to time and time again. Do we take some of it as fact or do we question all of it? How far does the deception go?

    A whole bunch of the educational system is based on acceptance of a bunch of things as facts and then they build more information based on those presumed facts. Virologists could believe they are doing one thing and in essence they are doing another or they think they are. Basically they are cutting and splicing information. How many times has someone discovered something believing it would be used to benefit mankind and then it is turned around and used against us. I admit, I was impressed with all the fancy lingo but at the same time they don't see the fallacy of what they want to pass as isolation?

    I do have questions as well. Periodically I get a cold sore? What is that? Is it a virus I got years ago and it pops up occasionally. If it were truly a virus, why and how does it go dormant and then start doing it's destruction every once in a while? Why doesn't it enter a bunch of cells and do the herpes thing all over the whole body? How does it create those specific symptoms. It's only goal is to get into a cell and take over the cell so it can make more. You could say the immune system but if my immune system has figured out how to get rid of it why does some remain. How would it have any means of understanding about hiding itself. in the nervous system, if all it wants to do is recklessly make more? It's only goal is to recklessly make more until it kills the cell and then those copies will do the same but somehow it stops or is stopped but is clever enough to hide out in the nervous system???

    I used to be impressed with academic credentials, now I am suspect of them. I have great admiration for people that have gone through heavy indoctrination and can still think and reason but that is no ticket to being infallible.

    I don't believe any of this works like we have been told it does.

    Great question are brought up in the interview that I have never considered. The question of the human genome and the premise that it is a fact and unchanging?
    The validity of DNA testing to any degree and the implications of it's use in criminal cases of which millions and millions of people are sitting in prison based on? Never thought about or questioned any of that. It is really scary stuff.

    Ernie, I couldn't agree more with your philosophy. An ounce of prevention is worth a hundred pounds of cure!!!!! Good nutrition, a balanced state of mind, kindness, and gratitude and time with nature are worth their weight in gold.


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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    On neither end of that twig, a powerful voice of reason, on the current topic.

    Dr David Martin, interviewed for the excellent 'Covid Revealed' series:


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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Jim Kunstler summarises the history of the hoax very well:

    A Brief History of Epic Mass Madness

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    The thesis called mass formation psychosis put forward lately by the Belgian psychologist Mattias Desmet — a good digest here in text, not video — goes a long way to explaining the disgraceful mind****ery that Western Civ has fallen for in our time, promulgated by a thinking class that descended into abject madness. It’s well worth reviewing.

    The descent was provoked by the existential anxiety over the collapse of techno-industrial economies and the end of progress as-we’ve-known-it. (Have you noticed: it was the self-styled “progressives” who went the craziest?) As Dr. Desmet lays it out, the disconnectedness of contemporary life, its lack of meaning or purpose for many, leads to unendurable anxiety. All that inchoate fear seeks desperately to attach itself to some real object, some thing or some force that can be comprehended, fought, and triumphantly overcome. Finding such a target produces an intoxicating sense of communal connection, purpose, and meaning, driving actions that are often crazy and also absolutely impervious to rational debate.

    The angst in America was well established by 2016. A beaten-down middle-class suspected that left-of-center politicians did not have their interests at heart after years of off-shoring their jobs, and they managed to elect their avatar, Donald Trump, over the obviously unsympathetic globalist, Hillary Clinton — who snootily tagged her opposition “the deplorables.” Even so, the polls had her ahead by a mile. Then, by some weird twist of fate, she lost a few crucial counties in midwestern states she hadn’t bothered to visit, and was reportedly too plastered after midnight on election night to come down and console the troops at campaign headquarters. The shocking election outcome instantly deranged the nation’s entire managerial class and its thinking-out-loud interlocutors in the news media and on campus.

    The Golden Golem of Greatness, as I liked to call Mr. Trump, was the perfect target for their animus. Threatening to “drain the swamp,” he would shatter their hard-won power privileges and deprive them of their well-worn grifts — such as the various revolving doors between big money and its regulators. Plus, his rough personality offended their own pretense of decorum (in pursuit of that power and grift). They decided that he had to go, and fast, and the whole managerial class and their allies closed ranks to get it done, not least the vicious agents of the Intel “Community,” which force-fed all the federal legal machinery — the official instruments of punishment.

    If they could only knock Mr. Trump off the game-board, America’s troubles would be over. We could get back on track to becoming a utopia of inclusion, diversity, equity, and self-driving electric cars. For four years the FBI, the DOJ, and other distributed players (such as the CIA mole Eric Ciaramella and his NSA co-seditionist Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, and such ignoble rogues in Congress as Rep. Adam Schiff and Senator Mark Warner) beat President Trump like a piñata, casually breaking the very law that they supposedly represented in the process. This punishment was accompanied by a growing repertoire of cult-like rituals — especially around race-and-gender hustles — with rich opportunities for the new behavior called virtue signaling, which was essentially a game of collecting brownie points for status-seeking purposes in the new moral hierarchy of the “Woke.” The social networks, Facebook and Twitter, amplified every insane strand in the Woke messaging. As Dr. Desmet says, “The more absurd the rituals, the more they buy into it.”

    This demonic opposition to Mr. Trump, and all the games issuing from it, produced the characteristic intoxication of mass formation psychosis. That is, the Left became a big cozy community of people initiated into a catechism of sacred truths. The important part is that they felt united in their struggle. Folks in the grip of this belonged to something at last, a solidarity of certitude, a social organism one could lose one’s anxious, fretful self in. No more loneliness and ennui. They were imbued with a sense of purpose: the ritual killing of the monster called Trump — millions of heroic Captain Willards stealing up-river to behead the renegade Colonel Kurtz. The news media’s role was to reinforce all that, with as much bad faith and dishonesty as they could get away with, in the service of fashioning a consensus that was eventually named “the narrative” — a self-reinforcing catalog of approved thought. The anti-Trump news posse garnered brownie points galore, including Pulitzer Prizes for their completely mendacious reporting.

    The trouble was, for all their epic exertions, they weren’t exactly winning. The whole RussiaGate extravaganza fizzled — and may even eventuate in some criminal convictions if independent counsel John Durham turns out to be for-real. The Mueller Report came up plumb empty, to thundering disappointment, embodied in Rachel Maddow’s frantically bobulating Adam’s apple. The UkraineGate impeachment flopped. It was nice to have a sense of purpose and feel like a member of an exclusive club, but the Wokesters were unable to “nail that ol’ coonskin to wall” (as Lyndon B. Johnson once put it about winning the Vietnam War, which we lost). By January of 2020, it looked like Mr. Trump might even win re-election — the horror indeed! — considering the Democratic Party primary candidates were the most forlorn pack of has-beens, nobodies, kooks, and damaged goods ever assembled for such a contest. But whaddaya know? Along came Covid-19.

    What a lifesaver the ‘Rona was for wobbling Wokedom, a cornucopia of boons, the gift that kept on giving! It provided an opportunity for perhaps the most craven public-private cartel in all the land, the CDC / FDA / NIH / NIAID / Big Pharma gang, to work some amazing hoodoo on the Golden Golem of Greatness and eventually all the nations of Western Civ. It put the perfidious, money-grubbing, and medically incompetent Dr. Anthony Fauci at the elbow of Mr. Trump as, in effect, the National Covid-19 Coordinator. He played the President like a Flugelhorn through most of 2020 — and, as the year ground on, Mr. Trump looked like he painfully suspected as much in all those ghastly televised daily briefings.

    We will not go into the appalling mRNA vaccine boondoggle in detail here, except to say it reaped zillions for those with a stake in the patents, including Dr. Fauci. But Covid-19 also provided an excuse to relax the election regulations and pave the way to colossal ballot fraud in November, with Marc Elias of the Lawfare gang (and also a partner in the DNC’s pet law firm, Perkins Coie) scurrying from state to state tuning the electoral machinery in key swing precincts for a “Joe Biden” victory — and with hundreds of millions of dollars in help from Facebook’s Marc Zuckerberg. Till then, nothing in all the weaponized legal machinery across the land had succeeded in expelling the hated object of the managerial class’s loathing, but the election would git’er done.

    Remember: the Progressive-Woke-Marxist-Jacobins liked nothing better than inflicting punishment. In fact, when you swept away all their ideological bull**** and the associated hustles, the movement was strictly about coercion, about pushing other people around, making them do as the Woke commissars willed. And there was a clearly sado-masochistic edge to all that. They relished cancelling people, wrecking careers, destroying reputations, livelihoods, marriages, families. Their political leaders had no qualms about exterminating hundreds of thousands of small businesses in Covid-19 lockdowns orchestrated by Woke heroes like Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City and Governors Gavin Newsom of California and Jay Inslee of Washington State. And, of course, their darlings of the streets, BLM and Antifa, bashed-in shopfronts, looted all the merch, and burned down the buildings with mad glee.

    But, most importantly, Covid-19 gave the political Left something else to focus its angst on once Mr. Trump was finally swept off the scene in the janky election. And until just the last few weeks of 2021, the virus has furnished endless opportunity for ever greater enactments of coercion and tyranny. Except now, suddenly, it’s all falling apart. In America, the claque behind the phantom president “Joe Biden” pulled the trigger on mandating vaccinations — complete with harsh punishments for the vaxx-averse — but then two things happened: 1) Federal Judge Terry Douglas in Louisiana issued an injunction against the mandate that applies in all fifty states; and 2) the news finally started leaking out — despite every effort of the US public health officialdom to hide it — that the vaccines carried an unprecedented risk of harm for medicines enlisted so casually into emergency use among so many millions of people, in addition to their negligible efficacy in preventing illness and contagion.

    The Europeans, on the other hand, slid ever-deeper into despotic measures not seen since the Gestapo terrorized the continent. The Europeans face the same primal source of anxiety that the Americans do: the running down of their techno-industrial economies, except their predicament is arguably a little bit keener than ours is, since they have hardly any oil and natural gas of their own to run things on, and suffer terrible uncertainty about who will furnish it for them. If they had not gone out of their minds over what has turned out to be a pretty punk-ass virus — when treated early with a menu of cheaply available drugs — and hadn’t deified the false savior vaccines, they might be a whole lot more concerned about how they are going to heat their homes, fertilize their crops, and produce things of value — in short, remain civilized.

    The catch is, they’ve given themselves until February to enforce their foolish vaccine mandates. The Omicron variant may help, too, since it is proving so far to be a grossly over-hyped development, discrediting the paranoia ginned up in the media. Can their courts act as ours have and put a stop to the madness? Between now and then we’re likely to see the defeat of the mass formation psychosis in America, at least, as the country is forced to face the truth of what it has done to itself.

    Or, at least it will be the end of this chapter of that story. Perhaps the Europeans will snap out of it, too, as they see the narrative collapse in America. Or are they just too far gone? Standing by on developments.

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Here's Robert O Young talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
    https://projectcamelotportal.com/202...hene-vaccines/
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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
    https://projectcamelotportal.com/202...hene-vaccines/
    Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

    Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
    https://projectcamelotportal.com/202...hene-vaccines/
    Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

    Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.
    This is the first time I've seen Dr. Young in an extended interview.
    He's certainly an interesting man.

    He's also an extremist!

    I was aware of his stance on germ vs. terrain theory.
    But I didn't know just how extreme his views were concerning potential toxins.

    He cautions all about the dangers of many foods (sugar, meat, eggs to name a few), water, air, vaccines, chem trails, cellphones, 4G, 5G cell towers, etc...

    He also talks about the dangers of global warming (climate change)!

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Here's Robert O Byrd talking abou covid, graphene hydroxide, and germ theory.
    https://projectcamelotportal.com/202...hene-vaccines/
    Great interview. Dr. Robert O Young is very interesting Thanks, Tom.

    Kerry Cassidy provides an excellent interview.
    This is the first time I've seen Dr. Young in an extended interview.
    He's certainly an interesting man.

    He's also an extremist!

    I was aware of his stance on germ vs. terrain theory.
    But I didn't know just how extreme his views were concerning potential toxins.

    He cautions all about the dangers of many foods (sugar, meat, eggs to name a few), water, air, vaccines, chem trails, cellphones, 4G, 5G cell towers, etc...

    He also talks about the dangers of global warming (climate change)!

    Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain.... teeeheeee..

    Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

    Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
    Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Quote Posted by Pam (here)


    Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain.... teeeheeee..

    Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

    Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
    Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?
    Yes I agree, it's almost impossible to find anyone who's on exactly the same page as you are with even the big issues, let alone the smaller ones.

    I won't dismiss someone because we aren't totally aligned in our views.

    Dr. Young first and foremost belongs to the Terrain theory camp. I would dearly love to jump on board with him
    and not look back. But there are a few nagging questions that would need to be answered satisfactorily first
    before I could do that.

    Overall we have a good grasp of what's been going on with this plandemic since it started.

    1. The meaningless tests that drove and continues to drive it.
    2. The killing of poor souls admitted to hospitals with Remdesivir and respirators.
    3. The initiation of this killing by prohibiting the use of treatment drugs such as Ivermecton and HCQ.
    4. The killing of more poor souls who were denied treatment for comorbidites other than Covid-19.
    5. The killing/abuse of people who have been locked in their homes and succumbed to suicide, family abuse, drugs, depression etc.
    6. The deadly injections that have been forced on most of the population by government, MSM, business and peer pressure.
    7. The never-ending Covid-19 'variants' that go counter to all previous virus mutations. They keep getting more deadly instead of more mild!
    8. The mandated vax passports that are totally unjustified since the vaxxed become infected and transmit just as easily as the non-vaxxed.

    But there are also some things we still don't know.

    1. How do we account for all of the serious Covid-19 cases around the world?
    Sure most cases are simply false positives that boost the case count numbers.
    Some serious cases could certainly be due to 5G. Others could be due to extreme air pollution in parts of the world.
    But you quickly run out of toxins that can account for all the serious cases worldwide.

    I would like the Terrain theorists to give me good reasonable explanations for them.
    Sure it's easier for them now that we have the deadly injections, but what about before they were introduced?

    What would account for the cluster of 'cases' at large gatherings, in businesses, districts in cities etc. and particularly those that resulted in substantial deaths?

    2. Another big unknown is 'What is the breakdown of jab potency across countries and the world?'
    We know of many of the adverse reactions that are publicized thankfully via the Alt-News sources.
    But still they make up a tiny fraction of the billions who have received the jab.
    How many are getting saline solutions?
    How many are getting 1/4 potency jabs, 1/2 potency etc.?

    3. How can virtually all of the medical establishment continue to keep silent on what should becoming so obvious to all of them?
    Surely it can't be financial incentives?

    4. There is a big disconnect between 'name' players in the Terrain vs. Germ Theory camps.
    Both sides can not be right. That's impossible.

    We have Terrain Theory proponents:
    Dr. Kaufman
    Dr. Cowan
    Stefan Lanka
    Dr. Robert Young
    Dr. Sam Bailey

    We have Germ Theory proponents:
    Dr. Judy Mikovits
    Dr. Zelenko
    Dr. Peter McCullough
    Dr. Malone
    Dr. Tenpenny
    Dr Larry Palevsky
    Dr. Love
    Dr. Coleman
    Dr. David Martin
    Dr. Fleming
    Dr. Merritt
    Dr. Mercola
    Dr. Chetty
    etc.

    5. We need to reconcile the bioweapon vs. the 'natural virus' issue.
    Growing numbers of people are convinced we have a bioweapon at play here (leaving aside the jabs).
    But the Germ Theorists won't have either one!
    They don't believe in viruses nor contagious bioweapons.

    So as you can see there are still many unanswered questions as we come closer to the two year anniversary of this scamdemic.

    I always keep an open mind but also remain cautiously skeptical.

    That's a bit of a long-winded answer to your question Pam.

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    DaveToo, great layout of the landscape.

    Re: your item 5.

    From my position of looking at it, with the assumptions I've already made intuitively, it seems to me the 'virus' part of the project was the last piece they put into place, after working on the general scheme of what they were aiming at, for decades.

    Somewhere along the line they sketched out a tick list of requirements, and in most cases worked backwards from fixed target conditions, like, for instance, the ACE2 receptor within the human bodies.

    Shockingly, the racial profiling that shows up, around the various ACE2 types, points a finger at both targets and culprits.

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Another ‘booster’ promoting announcement from Pm Boris tonight at 8.00pm.
    To divert attention from his government fiascos.
    To promote more fear-porn and ruin family Xmas celebrations. Disgraceful,
    Here is the truth:
    https://principia-scientific.com/south-african-doctor-who-found-omicron-variant-stunned-at-over-reaction

    South African Doctor Who Found Omicron Variant “Stunned” at Over-reaction

    December 10, 2021
    Written by Dr ANGELIQUE COETZEE



    As chair of the South African Medical Association and a GP of 33 years’ standing, I have seen a lot over my medical career. But nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

    This version of the virus had been circulating in southern Africa for some time, having been previously identified in Botswana.

    But given my public-facing role, by announcing its presence in my own patient, I unwittingly brought it to global attention.

    Quite simply, I have been stunned at the response – and especially from Britain.
    And let me be clear: nothing I have seen about this new variant warrants the extreme action the UK government has taken in response to it.

    No one here in South Africa is known to have been hospitalised with the Omicron variant, nor is anyone here believed to have fallen seriously ill with it.

    Nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant.

    Yet Britain and other European nations have reacted with heavy travel restrictions on flights from across southern Africa, as well as imposing tighter rules at home on mask-wearing, fines and extended quarantines.

    The simple truth is: we don’t know yet anywhere near enough about Omicron to make such judgments or to impose such policies.

    The British government reaction to the Omicron variant has including an expansion of the booster jab roll-out to all adults.

    In South Africa, we’ve retained a sense of perspective. We’ve had no new regulations or talk of lockdowns because we’re waiting to see what the variant actually means.

    We’ve also become accustomed here to new Covid variants emerging. So when our scientists confirmed the discovery of yet another, nobody made a huge thing of it. Many people didn’t even notice.

    But after Britain heard about it, the global picture started to change.

    Even as our scientists tried to point out the huge gaps in the world’s knowledge about this variant, European nations immediately and unilaterally banned travel from this part of the world.

    Our government was understandably angered by this, pointing out that ‘Excellent science should be applauded, not punished.’

    If, as some evidence suggests, Omicron turns out to be a fast-spreading virus with mostly mild symptoms for the majority of the people who catch it, that would be a useful step on the road to herd immunity.

    We’ll learn in the next two weeks if that’s the case.

    The worst situation – of course – would be a fast-spreading virus with severe infections. But that’s not where we are at the moment.

    Here in South Africa, what I and my GP colleagues are seeing doesn’t in any way warrant the knee-jerk reaction we’ve seen from the UK.

    For one thing, we’re not – at least for now – treating patients who are severely ill.
    Take my first Omicron case, the young man I mentioned earlier. It didn’t occur to him that he had Covid: he thought he’d had too much sun after working outside. After he tested positive, so did his wife and four-month-old baby.

    So far, the patients who’ve tested positive for Omicron here have been mainly young men – a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated (though, in our statistics, ‘unvaccinated’ can also mean ‘single-vaccinated’).

    Only yesterday, I saw five more patients who had tested positive for the new variant. They all had a very mild illness.

    So, at the moment, I’m afraid it seems to me that Britain is merely hyping up the alarm about this variant unnecessarily.

    Yes, the picture might one day look different. I have yet to see older, unvaccinated people infected with the new variant, for example, and they might well present with a more severe form of the disease.

    But the reality is that Covid is something we have to learn to live with. Look after yourself and get your vaccines. Above all, don’t panic – and that goes for governments as well.
    Dr Coetzee is chair of the South African Medical Association and first alerted the world to the Omicron Covid variant last week.
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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

    If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?

    Moving on, I also note a few recent news articles offering encouragement that this Omicron variant is 'good' as many will contract and form antibodies the natural way.

    All well and good, but that won't stop them anouncing a 'doomsday' variant if they need to continue the farce. We can only hope this is offering them a way out where they can retreat and fall silent.

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    Default Re: Covid19: There's very little danger: Covid19 may not exist at all.

    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    I woke up on monday morning this week (6 days ago) and a question popped into my head.

    If it is true that this virus has not been isolated in any lab in the world how can they confidently detect variants?
    [...]
    Best explanation so far from Chris Martenson:
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    Various world leaders, mainstream press outlets, and pharma companies are working hard to whip up fear and anxiety about omicron. Are those negative emotions deserved? No, not in the slightest.

    Omicron spells the end of the Covid misadventure. At least that’s what the data suggests at this time. That’s great news. For you and me. Not so much for power and money-conflicted corporations and politicians who are rather attached to Covid being an endless and mind-numbingly expensive affair.

    Omicron is explosively transmissive, that is quite true, but it is also incredibly mild compared to past variants of concern. For most people it’s barely a cold, if that. Sniffles, a headache, and some tiredness.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)


    Ah come on Dave....have some fun, indulge your fancy in a little extremism now and then...If I were to meet you on the street would you look like Spock?? Don't get me wrong, I like Spock, but wouldn't you have loved to see him laugh once or twice? I'm just yanking your chain.... teeeheeee..

    Yeah the global warming thing.... that's a bit too much...

    Do you or do you not think there is something strange going on with the technique used by "virologists" to supposedly "isolate" a virus? If you believe it is valid, why? I am not asking you about anything else, just the technique that is used.I love the techniques developed to identify bacteria. One thing that I have learned over the years is it is a big mistake to write someone off because they may be wrong about something. No body gets everything right on this planet, at least I haven't found anyone.
    Maybe ascended masters, but who knows?
    Yes I agree, it's almost impossible to find anyone who's on exactly the same page as you are with even the big issues, let alone the smaller ones.

    I won't dismiss someone because we aren't totally aligned in our views.

    Dr. Young first and foremost belongs to the Terrain theory camp. I would dearly love to jump on board with him
    and not look back. But there are a few nagging questions that would need to be answered satisfactorily first
    before I could do that.

    Overall we have a good grasp of what's been going on with this plandemic since it started.

    1. The meaningless tests that drove and continues to drive it.
    2. The killing of poor souls admitted to hospitals with Remdesivir and respirators.
    3. The initiation of this killing by prohibiting the use of treatment drugs such as Ivermecton and HCQ.
    4. The killing of more poor souls who were denied treatment for comorbidites other than Covid-19.
    5. The killing/abuse of people who have been locked in their homes and succumbed to suicide, family abuse, drugs, depression etc.
    6. The deadly injections that have been forced on most of the population by government, MSM, business and peer pressure.
    7. The never-ending Covid-19 'variants' that go counter to all previous virus mutations. They keep getting more deadly instead of more mild!
    8. The mandated vax passports that are totally unjustified since the vaxxed become infected and transmit just as easily as the non-vaxxed.

    But there are also some things we still don't know.

    1. How do we account for all of the serious Covid-19 cases around the world?
    Sure most cases are simply false positives that boost the case count numbers.
    Some serious cases could certainly be due to 5G. Others could be due to extreme air pollution in parts of the world.
    But you quickly run out of toxins that can account for all the serious cases worldwide.

    I would like the Terrain theorists to give me good reasonable explanations for them.
    Sure it's easier for them now that we have the deadly injections, but what about before they were introduced?

    What would account for the cluster of 'cases' at large gatherings, in businesses, districts in cities etc. and particularly those that resulted in substantial deaths?

    2. Another big unknown is 'What is the breakdown of jab potency across countries and the world?'
    We know of many of the adverse reactions that are publicized thankfully via the Alt-News sources.
    But still they make up a tiny fraction of the billions who have received the jab.
    How many are getting saline solutions?
    How many are getting 1/4 potency jabs, 1/2 potency etc.?

    3. How can virtually all of the medical establishment continue to keep silent on what should becoming so obvious to all of them?
    Surely it can't be financial incentives?

    4. There is a big disconnect between 'name' players in the Terrain vs. Germ Theory camps.
    Both sides can not be right. That's impossible.

    We have Terrain Theory proponents:
    Dr. Kaufman
    Dr. Cowan
    Stefan Lanka
    Dr. Robert Young
    Dr. Sam Bailey

    We have Germ Theory proponents:
    Dr. Judy Mikovits
    Dr. Zelenko
    Dr. Peter McCullough
    Dr. Malone
    Dr. Tenpenny
    Dr Larry Palevsky
    Dr. Love
    Dr. Coleman
    Dr. David Martin
    Dr. Fleming
    Dr. Merritt
    Dr. Mercola
    Dr. Chetty
    etc.

    5. We need to reconcile the bioweapon vs. the 'natural virus' issue.
    Growing numbers of people are convinced we have a bioweapon at play here (leaving aside the jabs).
    But the Germ Theorists won't have either one!
    They don't believe in viruses nor contagious bioweapons.

    So as you can see there are still many unanswered questions as we come closer to the two year anniversary of this scamdemic.

    I always keep an open mind but also remain cautiously skeptical.

    That's a bit of a long-winded answer to your question Pam.
    I absolutely agree with everything you stated. And a great summary. It was actually really helpful to me to see everything summarized. The thing we can all agree on is that there is a war being waged against the very existence of humanity. I am endlessly curious so I give consideration to all sorts of things,question many things. At the end of the day, what you have summarized here is what is the pressing issue of the day, I readily agree and my point is not to be decisive or disrespectful to anyone here and the hard and excellent work that has been done to sort this mess out.

    Your role in being able to keep the information together and make sense out of it has been very important and I do appreciate it. I don't have anything carved in stone in my mind and at this point, what you have stated are the up front issues of this world at this time. Thanks Dave. Merry Christmas!
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