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    I can report as someone with boots on the ground here in Stockholm/ Sweden that most people have been taking this seriously for the most part, but not rigorously like other countries like Spain or Australia. Masks are like perhaps 1 in 50, mostly tourists and elderly. Sweden is of course as divided as other countries when it comes to covid19. Travelling has been reduced, more working from home etc.
    Im glad our relaxed attitude paid off, but it also uncovered that we have a very big problem with our elderly care where we had the big majority of deaths. It is shameful how the elderly are treated here in Sweden. Shameful!
    My history on both sides of "health care" is as an RN, family member and client shows me that the person is just raw material for the product which is medical care. I could take pages to recount the horrible (because they are endemic and unapologetic) injuries great and small I have seen. Most significant is the fact that staffing in all facilities is kept very close to marginal.

    The reason I am posting this is that as I look on this epidemic of mismanaged care provoked supposedly by a viral illness, I see the intent to kill in plain sight. Institutions for the elderly are notorious at best IMO. However "modern life" is such that those who cannot care for self and home and all that independence entails are cast off (even if unwittingly by well meaning people).

    The elderly and the babies are the first to "go" when "times" don't afford the luxury of care. But we ALL GO when it is decreed we are no longer useful to the SYSTEM> IMO. Constance I think identified all the factors deprived by lock down for their citizens that make life worth living now.

    This "epidemic/pandemonium" is the PLAN laid bare. We are not expected to survive really...just some will "go" first". Censorship keeps everyone from knowing what the reality IS. The blockades are put up to stop a benign response to the "threat". It is begun with refusal to allow preventive care by way of vitamins and medication. It is furthered by mandatory suffocation, denial of sunlight and fresh air, application of mental anguish and torture to children and denial of human companionship for advocacy and support to all. Then comes starvation (and nursing homes in the west HAVE starved the elderly as reported by some). The end is game is mandatory poisoning of every single person in order to work, travel and participate in social community.

    The comfort of spiritual gatherings is nixed. The possibility of momentum to protest is thwarted. We are threatened by cops with fines (we cannot afford) and imprisonment. The leaders carve a path to the edge of the cliff and then set a fire behind us. OR maybe we are led by our misplaced trust and fears. It is "not our fault" really but we will be responsible for our ends anyway. Sorry is all the future will say.

    This is not fear porn because it is historic and we can read many tomes of similar action. The response of people in Nazi Germany is very comprehensible in hindsight. This PLAN is what keeps "civilization" from ever progressing past basic survival impulses (including hate and violence).

    The shame is old.
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    In Sweden, Where There Was No Lockdown, COVID Cases & Deaths Have Slowed to a Trickle
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    Death rate lower than Spain, the UK and Italy – economy in better shape.

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    Confounding claims by many that its open society approach to coronavirus would spectacularly backfire, Sweden, which didn’t enforce any mandatory lockdown order, has seen its coronavirus cases and deaths slow to a trickle.

    Back in March, when Sweden announced that it would adopt a different approach to much of the rest of the world by refusing to shut down its economy and instead aim for herd immunity, public health experts and media commentators were aghast at the decision, warning that the country’s hospitals would be overwhelmed with COVID victims.

    Summing up the attitude towards Sweden’s approach, Danish journalist Lisbeth Davidsen said it was “like watching a horror movie.”

    Fast forward five months and the horror show predicted by many has completely failed to materialize.

    While fears of a “second wave” of coronavirus continue to plague other European countries that completely locked down and enforced draconian face mask rules, Sweden has recorded barely a trickle of COVID cases and deaths so far in August.

    Jordan Schachtel drills into the numbers;

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    In August, Sweden has registered just one death (!) with/from the coronavirus. Yes, you read that correctly. One death so far.

    For the month of July, Sweden reported 226 deaths. They’ve accounted for 805 June deaths, 1646 in May, and 2572 in April. The deaths attributed to COVID-19 went from about a 50% reduction to falling off of a cliff.

    The story is the same in the hospitals. COVID-19 is hardly registering as a blip on the radar. Sweden has reported just 4 new COVID-19 patients in their ICUs in August. The month of July saw only 52 COVID-19 patients in ICUs.

    It doesn’t take a math whiz to come to the conclusion that the epidemic appears to have been wrapped up in Sweden for months. It’s unclear whether this is a result of having achieved the herd immunity threshold, or if the seasonality of the virus is providing indefinite relief. But it’s become absolutely clear that Sweden’s long term pandemic strategy is working.

    Asserting that “there is no evidence anywhere in the world that lockdowns or masks have *stopped* the spread of the virus,” Schachtel notes how public health experts “disregarding hundreds of years of proven science on herd immunity” who mandated lockdowns are responsible for the economic catastrophe which the world will now suffer.

    As Newsweek acknowledged last week, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate is lower than those of Spain, the UK and Italy, countries which all imposed lockdowns.
    A D V E R T I S E M E N T

    Sweden’s GDP fall of 8.6 in Q2 2020 is also significantly less severe than the 12.1 average experienced in the Eurozone, leaving the Scandinavian country in “much better shape than the rest of Europe.”

    As we highlighted yesterday, the lockdowns will plunge at least a hundred million people into extreme poverty.

    Add the deaths caused by this to those caused by untreated cancers and other illnesses and we’re looking at deaths caused by lockdown easily outstripping those officially attributed to coronavirus.

    So what was the point of lockdown? Control, vaccine agenda, implementation of new financial system, allow for uninterrupted 5 G tower construction, etc...

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    I can report as someone with boots on the ground here in Stockholm/ Sweden that most people have been taking this seriously for the most part, but not rigorously like other countries like Spain or Australia. Masks are like perhaps 1 in 50, mostly tourists and elderly. Sweden is of course as divided as other countries when it comes to covid19. Travelling has been reduced, more working from home etc.
    Im glad our relaxed attitude paid off, but it also uncovered that we have a very big problem with our elderly care where we had the big majority of deaths. It is shameful how the elderly are treated here in Sweden. Shameful!
    Thank you for your boot's on the ground perspective regarding what is really happening in Sweden.

    I hope you can help me gain greater clarity regarding the following:

    Was my assessment accurate here?

    Remember if you live in Sweden

    1. You could go anywhere without a face nappi. ( I believe you may have answered this one)
    2. Your local gyms, pubs, parks, beaches would be open
    3. You could shake hands, and hug without reservation; Do you still remember what that was like?
    4. Your children could go to school and not be traumatized by hazmat precautions for a virus that has not been proven to exist.
    5. You would not be facing mandatory vaccinations.
    6. You would not have to deal with Corona Karens


    Also, you mentioned the elderly in nursing homes not be treated fairly and perhaps implicating they are being inhumanely euthanized? I have seen AP stories to this affect - Could you elaborate further?

    Thank you for your time and insight

    Blessing Luke
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    Is Sweden's coronavirus strategy finally silencing the doubters?

    Richard Orange
    The Telegraph4 September 2020, 10:40 am BST

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/swedens-co...094007330.html

    Sweden, whose Covid-19 death rate soared above its locked-down Scandinavian neighbours at the peak of the pandemic, now has a case rate lower than those of Denmark and Norway for the first time since March.

    "Sweden has gone from being one of the countries with the most infection in Europe, to one of those with the least infection in Europe, while many other countries have seen a rather dramatic increase,” Anders Tegnell, the country's state epidemiologist, said at a press conference earlier this week.

    According to numbers submitted to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Contol (ECDC), Sweden registered an average of 12 new cases per million people over the past week, compared to 18 for Denmark and 14 for Norway.

    The number of deaths is currently averaging at two to three per day, down from the peak of over a hundred a day it suffered in mid-April.

    Stockholm, the centre of Sweden's pandemic in April and May, registered the lowest number of new cases since March last week.

    Denmark, meanwhile, registered 179 new cases on Friday, the highest daily number for more than four months.

    Moreover, a test last week of 2,500 randomly selected people found that not one had an active Covid-19 infection, compared to 0.9 per cent at the end of April and 0.3 per cent at the end of May.

    "We interpret this as meaning there is not currently a widespread infection among people who do not have symptoms," Dr Tegnell's deputy at the Public Health Agency of Sweden, Karin Tegmark Wisell, said as she announced the results on Thursday.

    The improved outlook will come as a relief to advocates of Sweden's less restrictive coronavirus strategy - who were forced onto the defensive in May as the country for a period suffered the highest per capita death rate in the world.

    Unlike Denmark and Norway, Sweden never instituted a lockdown, keeping kindergartens, most schools, bars, restaurants, shops and offices open throughout the pandemic. The Public Health Agency of Sweden, which sets the strategy, judged that it was better to rely on voluntary social distancing and self-isolation measures that could be kept in place for a long period.

    "What we see now is that the sustainable policy might be slower in getting results, but it will get results eventually," Dr Tegnell said. "And then we also hope that the result will be more stable."

    Sweden's decline in cases comes as many of the European countries who used strict lockdowns to control the pandemic are now struggling to prevent cases rising now they have been lifted.

    At the same time, the growing protests seen across Europe against even those few restrictions still in place will make reimposing lockdown measures politically difficult.

    Speaking on Swedish television, Dr Tegnell said that he believed that grandparents in Sweden, who have been advised to stay isolated and avoid close contact with their grandchildren and children, should now be able to celebrate Christmas with their families.

    "I think its probably possible that we can celebrate a little more of a normal Christmas than we would have thought otherwise," he said, although he advised families to "think it through properly", and make sure they had "sensible arrangements" for keeping distance, even going so far as to hire a more spacious venue if necessary.

    Sweden has so far reported 5,832 deaths due to coronavirus, more than six times as many as reported in Denmark (264) and Norway (626) combined. This means Denmark and Norway would need to suffer a series of quite severe outbreaks for their per capita death rate to begin to rival that of Sweden.

    Sweden is also still carrying out fewer tests per capita than Denmark and Norway, with an average of 1.2 per 1000 people at the end of last month, compared to 2.2 in Norway and 5.9 in Denmark.

    Søren Riis Paludan, a professor at Denmark's Aarhus University specialising in viral infections, said he thought the recent rise in cases in Denmark had been amplified by the country's high level of testing. It was too early, he added, to judge the extent to which immunity was bringing advantages to Sweden.

    "If immunity is still in the lower percentages, then it will not help that much," he said. "But compared to Norway and Denmark - where we have very few cases - it may help. We can only wait and see whether the hard times that Sweden went through will help them through the coming period."

    There are also still questions over Sweden's initial hope that a less restrictive policy would give its population greater immunity to the virus faster will be borne out.

    On Thursday, the Public Health Agency of Sweden published new studies of the antibody levels among blood donors, which showed that the proportion nationally with antibodies had slowly risen since March, reaching about seven percent of the population by the end of June, and close to twelve percent in Stockholm.

    In Rinkeby-Kista, the worst-hit Stockholm suburb, as many as 18 percent of the 530 16- to 69-year-olds who agreed to be tested had antibodies.

    Dr Tegnell said that the difficulty in finding a representative group to test for antibodies made judging immunity in the population "extremely complicated".

    "The most important thing we see right now is the continued fall in the number of infected, and part of the explanation for the continued fall that we see is fairly certain to be that we have quite a large proportion of the population who are immune," he said.
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    Before and After: A Photo Series About COVID-19 Isolation in Toronto (11 Pics)
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    “Before and After” is a photo series by photographer Brad Freeman that documents the isolation he has experienced in Toronto, Canada, during the COVID-19 pandemic. His brother Ryan also made the above 4.5-minute short documentary about Brad’s experience in creating the work.

    When Toronto launched phase 1 of its reopening after its major lockdown, Brad went out with his Leica M3 and created 40 photos on black-and-white 35mm film.









    “Being isolated during the height of the pandemic felt like a dream, it was both familiar and strange at the same time,” Brad says. “I set out to find some sort of normalcy only to realize the world as we knew it had changed. The streets were completely abandoned, a surreal version of our new reality.”









    “I had a lot of anxiety during lockdown, it was a time full of uncertainty,” Brad says. “Being a creative person I was looking for some sort of outlet after being alone for 3 months. I went outside when phase 1 of reopening the city began, but everything seemed to be abandoned.

    “It only made me feel more uncomfortable. This uncanny feeling of strangeness and emptiness comes through in the photos.”


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    I had a small out of town job a few months back. Driving on the highways was surreal. No other cars, just us. No one on the streets, no planes, no chemtrails, no boats, no trucks. No one in the stores, gas stations, drive-throughs. No one mowing lawns or kids running around or even dogs barking.

    It was very strange.

    Beautiful pics of Toronto - I was on those empty subways too during that time because my ride was at the other end of the city. Every day, just me and an empty subway, end to end with 30+ empty stops.
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