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    Masks are no longer compulsory here in Ireland, except for public transport and probably healthcare.

    When I get to town, I see about 33% of people are still wearing masks.

    There has been little contact regarding covid in the local media. [7April2o22]
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    Now it is June and I've been seeing Zero masks in town and covid being mentioned on the national media is still very little contact. It seems a little back to normal except for economic conditions.
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    Masks are no longer compulsory here in Ireland, except for public transport and probably healthcare.

    When I get to town, I see about 33% of people are still wearing masks.

    There has been little contact regarding covid in the local media. [7April2o22]
    +++++

    Now it is June and I've been seeing Zero masks in town and covid being mentioned on the national media is still very little contact. It seems a little back to normal except for economic conditions.
    I've been meaning to report on this for a while but didn't know if it should go here or in the 'Canada as Loony as Ever' thread.

    In my neck of the woods in a smaller Canadian city, around 50% of the people are still wearing face masks in public despite the removal of mask mandates around three months ago.

    Earlier we could never be sure who were the die-hard normies who lived in fear of catching the deadly virus.
    Now it's quite easy to see. They are the same ones who got double-vaxxed and boostered
    believing it would give them immunity from catching the disease.

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    Quote Posted by JackMcThorn (here)
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    Masks are no longer compulsory here in Ireland, except for public transport and probably healthcare.

    When I get to town, I see about 33% of people are still wearing masks.

    There has been little contact regarding covid in the local media. [7April2o22]
    +++++

    Now it is June and I've been seeing Zero masks in town and covid being mentioned on the national media is still very little contact. It seems a little back to normal except for economic conditions.
    I've been meaning to report on this for a while but didn't know if it should go here or in the 'Canada as Loony as Ever' thread.

    In my neck of the woods in a smaller Canadian city, around 50% of the people are still wearing face masks in public despite the removal of mask mandates around three months ago.

    Earlier we could never be sure who were the die-hard normies who lived in fear of catching the deadly virus.
    Now it's quite easy to see. They are the same ones who got double-vaxxed and boostered
    believing it would give them immunity from catching the disease.
    Still at around 50% where I live.

    Here's the thing.

    The C.D.C., Fauci, the W.H.O. were all consistent from the get go, wrt face masks.
    They said face masks are used to protect others from your spit/particles etc.
    They emphasized time and time again they are not used to protect the wearer from
    becoming infected.

    But the masses never got that memo.

    I guarantee you if you polled all the face mask wearers today and asked
    them why they are wearing their face mask almost every single one of them
    will say they are wearing them to protect themselves!

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    How Masks Make You Sick Instead of Protecting You
    by Dr. Joseph Mercola
    July 12, 2022
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1546123961

    "STORY AT-A-GLANCE

    Using CDC data, no significant differences were found in COVID-19 case growth between states with or without mask mandates, during periods of low or high transmission

    The widespread use of masks did not reduce COVID-19 transmission in Europe, and a moderate positive correlation was found between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe

    An update to a CDC study on school mask mandates, using nearly six times more data, found no significant relationship between mask mandates in U.S. schools and COVID-19 case rates

    In Kansas, counties with a mask mandate had significantly higher COVID-19 case fatality rates than counties without a mask mandate

    One way masks cause harm may be the “Foegen effect” — the idea that deep re-inhalation of droplets and virions caught on facemasks might make COVID-19 infection more likely or more severe


    During the COVID-19 pandemic, 80% of U.S. states mandated masks to slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2, but accumulating research shows mask mandates and use do not lower the spread of the virus.1 While rules requiring masks did increase compliance, they didn't translate to lower transmission growth rates, whether community spread of SARS-CoV-2 was low or high.

    Even before COVID-19 was declared a pandemic, mask mandates were put in place without ever properly evaluating efficacy, but that didn't stop them from dividing communities and being used as a form of virtue signaling and a visible reminder of compliance with the "new normal."

    Now, with research showing not only that masks don't protect you but may actually make you sick, the rationale behind their widespread mandated usage must be questioned.

    Mask Mandates Didn't Lower COVID-19 Cases

    Using CDC data, researchers with the University of Louisville calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the U.S. No significant differences were found in case growth between mandate and non-mandate states during periods of low or high transmission.

    "Surges were equivocal," they noted, concluding, "Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges."2 While stating that their findings "do not support the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 transmission rates decrease with greater public mask use," they did note that "masks may promote social cohesion as rallying symbols during a pandemic."3

    Similarly dismal results from mask mandates were demonstrated in Europe. A study published in Cureus analyzed data from 35 European countries, including morbidity, mortality and mask usage, over a six-month period. The researchers noted:4

    "Mask mandates were implemented in almost all world countries and in most places where masks were not obligatory, their use in public spaces was recommended … These mandates and recommendations took place despite the fact that most randomized controlled trials carried out before and during the COVID-19 pandemic concluded that the role of masks in preventing respiratory viral transmission was small, null, or inconclusive."

    When the data were analyzed, the study also revealed that the widespread use of masks did not reduce COVID-19 transmission. Worse, a moderate positive correlation was found between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe, which "suggests that the universal use of masks may have had harmful unintended consequences."5

    Mask Mandates in Schools Didn't Reduce COVID-19 Cases
    As part of the government sponsored propaganda campaign, a widely cited CDC study, published in October 2021, reported that counties without school mask mandates had larger increases in COVID-19 case rates in children after the start of school compared with counties that had school mask mandates.6

    The study was used to support school mask mandates, but a team of researchers revisited the research, incorporating a larger sample size and longer study period. The updated study,7 published in May 2022, used nearly six times more data compared to the original study and found no significant relationship between mask mandates in U.S. schools and COVID-19 case rates. According to the researchers:8

    "We failed to establish a relationship between school masking and pediatric cases using the same methods but a larger, more nationally diverse population over a longer interval. Our study demonstrates that observational studies of interventions with small to moderate effect sizes are prone to bias caused by selection and omitted variables. Randomized studies can more reliably inform public health policy."

    On Twitter, surgeon and public policy researcher Dr. Marty Makary pointed out that the CDC's original study appeared to include cherry-picked data and the agency refused to publish an update using the more extensive data:9

    "This study demonstrates how the CDC was cherry-picking data to support their school mask dogma. The article states that CDC's MMWR journal rejected publishing this re-analysis. Most likely because it exposed the CDCs salami-slicing of data & use of science as political propaganda."

    It should be noted that a previous CDC study found mask requirements for students had little effect on COVID-19 incidence in Georgia schools, while improved ventilation, such as opening a window, reduced cases more than mask mandates for staff and teachers.10

    The Foegen Effect: Mask Mandates Increased COVID-19 Deaths
    A profoundly important study was conducted by German physician Dr. Zacharias Fögen to find out whether mandatory mask use influenced the COVID-19 case fatality rate in Kansas from August 1, 2020, to October 15, 2020.11 He chose the state of Kansas because, while it issued a mask mandate, counties were allowed to either opt in or out of it.

    His analysis revealed that counties with a mask mandate had significantly higher case fatality rates than counties without a mask mandate. "These findings suggest that mask use might pose a yet unknown threat to the user instead of protecting them, making mask mandates a debatable epidemiologic intervention," he concluded.

    That threat, he explained, may be something called the "Foegen effect" — the idea that deep re-inhalation of droplets and virions caught on facemasks might make COVID-19 infection more likely or more severe.

    “The fundamentals of this effect are easily demonstrated when wearing a facemask and glasses at the same time by pulling the upper edge of the mask over the lower edge of the glasses. Droplets appear on the mask when breathing out and disappear when breathing in.”

    "In the "Foegen effect," the virions spread (because of their smaller size) deeper into the respiratory tract. They bypass the bronchi and are inhaled deep into the alveoli, where they can cause pneumonia instead of bronchitis, which would be typical of a virus infection.

    Furthermore, these virions bypass the multilayer squamous epithelial wall that they cannot pass into in vitro and most likely cannot pass into in vivo. Therefore, the only probable way for the virions to enter the blood vessels is through the alveoli."12

    Wearing Masks Could Be Related to Long COVID

    Fögen explained that wearing masks could end up increasing your overall viral load because, instead of exhaling virions from your respiratory tract and ridding your body of them, those virions are caught in the mask and returned. This might also have the effect of increasing the number of virions that pass through the mask, such that it becomes more than the number that would have been shed without a mask.

    The fact that "hypercondensed droplets and pure virions in the mask might be blown outwards during expiration, resulting in aerosol transmission instead of droplet transmission" is another issue that could make transmission worse instead of better, and the use of "more protective" masks could also backfire, making COVID-19's long-term effects worse. Fögen explained:13

    "The use of "better" masks (e.g., FFP2, FFP3) with a higher droplet-filtering capacity probably should cause an even stronger "Foegen effect" because the number of virions that are potentially re-inhaled increases in the same way that outward shedding is reduced.

    Another salient point is that COVID-19-related long-term effects and multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children may all be a direct cause of the "Foegen effect." Virus entry into the alveoli and blood without being restricted to the upper respiratory tract and bronchi and can cause damage by initiating an (auto) immune reaction in most organs."

    Clear Risks of Prolonged Mask Use

    Two expert reports spoke out against the use of masks for children in 2021. The first, a psychology report,14 stated that masks are likely to be causing psychological harm to children and interfering with development.15 "The extent of psychological harm to young people is unknown," the report stated, "due to the unique nature of the 'social experiment' currently underway in schools, and in wider society."16

    The second report focused on health, safety and well-being,17 noting potential permanent physical damage to the lungs caused by fibrosis from inhalation of fibrous nanoparticles.

    "There are real and significant dangers of respiratory infection, oral health deterioration and of lung injury, such as pneumothorax, owing to moisture buildup and also exposure to potentially harmful levels of an asphyxiant gas (carbon dioxide [CO2]) which can cause serious injury to health," the authors explained.18

    Normally, the CO2 then dissipates into the air around you before you take another breath. In the open air, carbon dioxide typically exists at about 400 parts per million (ppm), or 0.04% by volume.

    The German Federal Environmental Office set a limit of CO2 for closed rooms of 2,000 ppm, or 0.2% by volume. If you're wearing a facemask, the CO2 cannot escape as it usually does and instead becomes trapped in the mask. In a study published in JAMA Pediatrics, researchers analyzed the CO2 content of inhaled air among children wearing two types of masks, as well as wearing no mask.19

    While no significant difference in CO2 was found between the two types of masks, there was a significant elevation when wearing masks compared to not wearing them. CO2 in inhaled air under surgical and filtering facepiece masks came in between 13,120 ppm and 13,910 ppm, "which is higher than what is already deemed unacceptable by the German Federal Environmental Office by a factor of 6," the researchers noted.20

    Also important, this level was reached after only three minutes, while children wear masks at school for a mean of 270 minutes at a time. Even the child who had the lowest measured CO2 level had a measurement three-fold greater than the closed room CO2 limit of 0.2%. However, younger children appeared to have the highest CO2 values; a level of 25,000 ppm was measured from a 7-year-old wearing a facemask.21

    Bacterial Infection Risk, Problems With Social Learning

    The full consequences of prolonged mask use are only beginning to be understood. The University of Louisville researchers noted, however, that using a mask for more than four hours per day "promotes facial alkalinization and inadvertently encourages dehydration, which in turn can enhance barrier breakdown and bacterial infection risk."22 Other reported adverse effects include:23

    Increase in headaches and sweating

    Decreased cognitive precision

    Association with medical errors

    Interference with social learning in children

    Obscured nonverbal communication

    Distorted verbal speech

    Removal of visual cues, which is detrimental to people with hearing loss

    After a lawsuit was brought by Leslie Manookian's Health Freedom Defense Fund (HFDF), U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle finally voided the CDC's U.S. mask mandate on airplanes and public transit in April 2022.24 The U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ) has appealed the court order,25 however, making it clear that they don't intend to give up on mask mandates without a fight. In response, HFDF issued the following statement:26

    "DoJ's statement [that it would appeal] is perplexing to say the least and sounds like it comes from health policy advocates not government lawyers. The ruling by the US District Court ruling is a matter of law, not CDC preference or an assessment of 'current health conditions.'

    If there is in fact a public health emergency with clear and irrefutable science supporting CDC's mask mandate, does it not warrant urgent action? Why would DoJ and CDC not immediately appeal?

    HFDF is left with no option but to conclude that the Mask Mandate is really a political matter and not at all about urgent public health issues or the demands of sound science. While DoJ and CDC play politics with Americans' health and freedoms, HFDF trusts individual Americans to make their own health decisions.

    HFDF is confident that Americans possess ample common sense and education to understand that there are real questions about mask efficacy and risk and that CDC's policy reflects neither."

    You can support the Health Freedom Defense Fund and push back against the DoJ and CDC by taking to social media. Please follow and/or like the HFDF on the following platforms, share their content, and invite your followers to do the same:

    Instagram: @healthfreedomdefensefund
    Twitter: @theHFDF
    Facebook: @healthfreedomdefensefund
    Telegram: @HealthFreedomDefense
    MeWe: Health Freedom Defense Fund "

    - Sources and References
    1, 2, 3, 22, 23 MedRxiv May 25, 2021
    4, 5 Cureus. 2022 Apr; 14(4): e24268
    6 MMWR October 1, 2021
    7, 8 The Lancet May 25, 2022
    9 Townhall June 1, 2022
    10 U.S. CDC, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report May 21, 2021
    11 Medicine February 18, 2022
    12, 13 Medicine February 18, 2022, 4.1
    14, 16 Psychology Report in respect of Civil Proceedings April 9, 2021
    15 Express April 11, 2021
    17, 18 Health, Safety and Wellbeing Report in respect of Civil Proceedings April 9, 2021
    19, 20, 21 JAMA Pediatrics June 30, 2021
    24 US District Court Middle District of Florida Case No: 8:21-cv-1693-KKM-AEP
    25 KHN June 1, 2022
    26 Health Freedom Defense Fund April 20, 2022
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    • School Calls Cops On 4-Year-Old For Not Wearing Mask:
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    • Youtube FINALLY Updates Mask Policy Despite Banning Dan Bongino And Rand Paul:
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    Make sure you have your puke bags by your side.

    The Masks We’ll Wear in the Next Pandemic


    So we just endured a once in a hundred year 'pandemic' and they are already preparing/worrying about the next one!

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    medical aspects aside (and I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but here's my anecdote) I've found the psychological aspect of mask wearing (with sub teen children) effecting young people is vastly more terrifying. (and it's very strange to try and find links on this...)

    The documented speech impediments are far more than enough for me.

    How is something this drastically impactful not intentional?

    I have questions.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    medical aspects aside (and I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but here's my anecdote) I've found the psychological aspect of mask wearing (with sub teen children) effecting young people is vastly more terrifying. (and it's very strange to try and find links on this...)

    The documented speech impediments are far more than enough for me.

    How is something this drastically impactful not intentional?

    I have questions.
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    • Giant New Study Reveals Masks DON’T STOP Covid! Krystal Ball Tells Left To “Grow Up!” W/ Nick Cruse:

    In what can only be described as a “mask off moment,” a new study has come out conclusively demonstrating that masks – whether the surgical or N95 “respirator” variety – are ineffective at preventing COVID infection. Not only that, but it’s now clear that authorities in the public health sector like Anthony Fauci knew this all along and yet still imposed mask mandates and encouraged the kind of mask shaming that emerged at the outset of the pandemic. Jimmy and Revolutionary Black Network’s Nick Cruse discuss the changing narrative on masks and why government authorities continued to push mandates that contradicted science.

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    • Colbert Audience STILL Forced To Wear Masks

    Stephen Colbert was once a scathing critic of establishment thinking and posturing, and yet today he has become a shell of his former self, an eager purveyor of whatever dominant narrative the establishment is peddling. A glance at Colbert’s Late Show audience members, all of whom are still required to wear masks, demonstrates how Colbert continues to value virtue signaling over science. Jimmy and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger discuss the fall of Colbert and why his show has become virtually unwatchable.
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    I'd like to know about the other face masks we can obtain.


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    Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

    A new scientific review — led by 12 researchers from esteemed universities around the world — suggests that widespread masking may have done little to nothing to curb the transmission of COVID-19.


    Source: and to read the full story https://www.foxnews.com/health/face-...entific-review

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    Scientific Evidence Mass Media Willfully Ignores
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    If this is a joke, please tell me and I'll delete the post. (But I don't think it is!)


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    Default Re: The face mask discussion

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