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    All Lives Matter debate reached the cricketing world yesterday, when a new one-day tournament was held in South Africa, the first in many months due to lockdowns. South Africa has many black cricketers, some of them celebrities and truly world-class.

    But the players who attended the event, both current and retired, were split about whether to "take the knee" in support of BLM. Some did, and some didn't.

    Those that chose not to took their own separate stand in support of the many white South African farmers that have been murdered at the hands of blacks. That's a big issue there, with no end in sight.

    Here's the article (one of many, easily found), and the title says it all.
    Lungi Ngidi slammed for support to Black Lives Matter: All lives matter, say former South Africa cricketers

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    From Zero Hedge. The bold emphasis is all in the original article. I placed the report here because of the All Lives Matter reference in the third paragraph, for which one Cisco employee was fired.
    Cisco Fires Employees That Question Black Lives Matter During Company-Wide Racism Discussion

    18 July, 2020


    In early June, dutifully doing its part to virtue signal along with the rest of the world, Cisco Systems hosted an "all hands on deck" meeting on race, hosted via videoconference. In the comments of the online forum, visible to everyone, some workers questioned the Black Lives Matter movement and were subsequently fired from their jobs, proving once again that you can have an opinion, as long as it's the right opinion.

    Chief Executive Officer Chuck Robbins talked with Ford Foundation President Darren Walker, who is Black, and Bryan Stevenson, a Black lawyer and author who founded the Equal Justice Initiative, during the company's June 1 meeting in front of 30,000 employees, according to Bloomberg.

    Several people spoke out online against Black Lives Matter during these online forums. For example, one employee wrote: “Black lives don’t matter. All lives matter,” while another wrote that BLM "reinforces racism". A third employee commented: “People who complain about racism probably have been a racist somewhere else to people from another race or part of systematic oppression in their own community!”

    Cisco says it fired a "handful" of workers for "inappropriate conduct" because it won't tolerate racism. It also, apparently, won't tolerate its employees opinions.

    The "incident" at Cisco (read: people expressing well reasoned opinions) has been a microcosm of similar situations at other silicon valley companies, who are left to try and figure out how to posture to the public they are concerned about racism, while at the same time not laying off their entire staff. Some believe that protests at companies could be next if employees aren't "trained" to think the right way.

    Kristen Clarke, the president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said: “Employers should be striving for zero tolerance when it comes to racism and discrimination, period. The protests we’ve seen in the streets have become part of our new normal and will eventually make their way inside workplaces if employers fail to meet the moment.”

    Cisco said that ultimately 237 comments of the 10,400 made during the videoconference "objected to what was being presented", while the majority of comments praised management. On the video call, Cisco's CEO was announcing a $5 million donation to "groups combating racism".

    Francine Katsoudas, Cisco’s executive vice president and chief people officer, said: “I just felt sad to see it. I felt a ton of empathy. I knew that for the African-American and Black employees that were in the meeting, that it was heartbreaking to see that.”

    She then tried to backtrack and justify the firings because they weren't considered "legitimate debate". Katsoudas said: “You have a framework where red absolutely is crossing the line. But if someone has a question or they don’t understand something, there’s a way for them to ask that question. We went through and just placed things on that spectrum.”

    The remarks were apparently so offensive they were "seared in the minds of some Black employees," according to Bloomberg. One employee commented: “Wow…and these people work at Cisco?” If they are bold enough to say those things at work for all to see, imagine what is said behind closed doors.”

    Yeah, it could be <gasp> differing opinions!

    “We still have work to do as a nation. I pray my daughters have a better world to live in soon,” another employee said.

    Meanwhile, we pray our children have a world where their first amendment right hasn't completely disintegrated over the next few years. But with the direction things are moving, it doesn't look promising...

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    I am sure that my life matters
    and your life matters.

    I am also absolutely convinced
    my life does not matter to the controllers, the cabal, the so called elites, the central bank, the carnivorous system.
    My illness and compliance matter much more to them.
    I opt out everywhere I possibly can.

    My life matters. I am not for sale. I will not comply.

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    Here's an important report from South Africa: (12 August is today)
    ALERT: “Revolution movement” threatens white South Africans on 12 Aug



    A group calling themselves “Jozi to Stellenbosch” has made threats for the “disruption of white privilege”. The group scheduled the riot for the 12th of August 2020.

    On Facebook the group said “The mighty Pan Africanist Congress of Ntate Sobukwe says we must continue where they left off in 1960”.


    The organization also stated that the riot will continue till “death”.


    The Stellenbosch municipality issued a statement on Facebook:
    The Municipality has taken note of the threats of protest, violence and intimidation made by a group who call themselves “Jozi to Stellenbosch”.
    The Municipality supports the right of any individual to protest but with this right, comes the inherent responsibility to do so peacefully. The threats of violence, destruction and intimidation in the run-up to this protest action is a cause for great concern. The protest action is allegedly planned for Wednesday, 12 August.
    We are in contact with the South African Police Service (SAPS) who are monitoring the situation and will act against any individual found guilty of violence or the destruction of property. Our municipal law enforcement officers together with our Stellenbosch Safety Initiative (SSI) partners have been placed on high alert and will be providing support to SAPS to ensure law and order.
    We advise residents and visitors to the Stellenbosch area to remain vigilant and stay safe on the roads. Details on any possible road closure will be shared as and when we receive this information.
    The group on Facebook mentioned that they will be dangerous to anyone “that is unfair to us”.

    Other organizations waged their support for the riot.



    The party made a statement on Twitter earlier before the start of the riot:



    Currently being posted on their Facebook:




    Edit: The current situation


    https://platform.twitter.com/embed/i...89718206894080


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    Thank you for sorting this out - I'm hopeless with technology. And, thank you to Frank V for a previous fix.

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    There seems to be a new "buzz" phrase trending - "Say His Name" - after the murder of a 5 year old boy which is being declared a racial crime. However, this crime is scarcely covered by the media. Many feel this tragedy would have been front page news everywhere if the child was a different colour. Maybe another group is being created to throw into this toxic mix of groups, growing, morphing and spreading. (I haven't clicked on "post" yet - am hoping this link will show up ok.)

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/sayhi...9BdGOctcCNknp0

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    The US Justice Department released this yesterday:

    Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites in Undergraduate Admissions in Violation of Federal Civil-Rights Laws

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Thursday, August 13, 2020

    The Department of Justice today notified Yale University of its findings that Yale illegally discriminates against Asian American and white applicants in its undergraduate admissions process in violation of Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The findings are the result of a two-year investigation in response to a complaint by Asian American groups concerning Yale’s conduct.

    “There is no such thing as a nice form of race discrimination,” said Assistant Attorney General Eric Dreiband for the Civil Rights Division. “Unlawfully dividing Americans into racial and ethnic blocs fosters stereotypes, bitterness, and division. It is past time for American institutions to recognize that all people should be treated with decency and respect and without unlawful regard to the color of their skin. In 1890, Frederick Douglass explained that the ‘business of government is to hold its broad shield over all and to see that every American citizen is alike and equally protected in his civil and personal rights.’ The Department of Justice agrees and will continue to fight for the civil rights of all people throughout our nation.”

    As a condition of receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, Yale expressly agrees to comply with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a cornerstone civil-rights law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin in programs and activities that receive federal financial assistance.

    The Department of Justice found Yale discriminates based on race and national origin in its undergraduate admissions process, and that race is the determinative factor in hundreds of admissions decisions each year. For the great majority of applicants, Asian Americans and whites have only one-tenth to one-fourth of the likelihood of admission as African American applicants with comparable academic credentials. Yale rejects scores of Asian American and white applicants each year based on their race, whom it otherwise would admit.

    Although the Supreme Court has held that colleges receiving federal funds may consider applicants’ race in certain limited circumstances as one of a number of factors, the Department of Justice found Yale’s use of race is anything but limited. Yale uses race at multiple steps of its admissions process resulting in a multiplied effect of race on an applicant’s likelihood of admission, and Yale racially balances its classes.

    The Department of Justice has demanded Yale agree not to use race or national origin in its upcoming 2020-2021 undergraduate admissions cycle, and, if Yale proposes to consider race or national origin in future admissions cycles, it must first submit to the Department of Justice a plan demonstrating its proposal is narrowly tailored as required by law, including by identifying a date for the end of race discrimination.
    ________

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    I think MLK would be regarded as "problematic" by the BLM social justice crowd if he were around today (*Mike wanly smiles*). I think Muhammad Ali would too, sadly.
    I'm pretty sure that Muhammad Ali would be among the very first to insist that All Lives Matter.

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    Uh-oh, this is a Mandela effect moment. Could've sworn up and down that Muhammed Ali was still alive. I just checked, and it says he died in 2016. Holy cow, I totally missed that (or just forgot).
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    I moved a lot of firewood, alone in one night as I save a rat shouting below. I have friends who raised rats mom with whole families over the winter and in the spring released them.
    It is a real event, not a contention, unfortunately, we must respect all forms of life as life respects us, yet! But unfortunately we have started to destroy more and more something that can no longer be created again.

    "Time is no important only life"
    And all this to be just human.

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    So.. this is VERY typical of insurgency, in fact it's like a page from the US's own book........

    I find it EXTREMELY obvious... i hope others do.

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    I never imagined that I would try and bring "positive" attention to a video from CNN...

    But this one here is not Fake News (although CNN, unsurprisingly, did not have enough integrity to specify within the video or its description that the counter-protesters to the Black Lives Matter protest were there under the banner of ALL LIVES MATTER).

    This happened a little over four years ago in Dallas, Texas.

    You may have seen it already.

    But, dare I say, we need more of this.



    A longer, unedited, video of the encounter:



    And a short article about it:

    WATCH: "We're all brothers and sisters": Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter activists hug it out in Dallas

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Of course, black lives matter. (And I'm NOT going to put that in Title Case.)

    Because white lives matter, too.

    So do the lives of
    • The domestically abused
    • Abused children
    • Native Americans (I wonder what they think about all this?)
    • The Uyghurs, a million of them in China's "re-education camps"
    • Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh (a million of them, too)
    • The San Bushmen, who've been displaced from the Kalahari desert where they had lived for 40,000 years
    • The Australian Aborigines, and the New Zealand Maoris
    • All the poorest people in the world who live on less than $1 a day
    • The indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest
    • Julian Assange (and 1001 other political prisoners whose names we may never know)
    • Everyone reading this.
    That's a very, very incomplete list. All Lives Matter — and I will put that in Title Case. it's the only sentiment about this politically charged matter that has any truth or integrity.
    To put it into context, LIFE MATTERS.

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