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    Bill, Then "New World Order" has been in place for decades now. It's the unipolar militarized U.S and its sphere of influence. Call it the Anglo American empire, currently held in place by neo-conservative military and neo-liberal economic policy. Jobs outsourced to China (after being outsourced to Mexico,) created a mass of illegal immigration into the U.S, destroyed our manufacturing base (Detroit) while gutted the steel belt.

    These actions created a huge underclass and established a NWO.

    Now here is where we totally differ in our opinions, I will bet you -- and I have banged on about this so much it's wearing me out. Once ties with China are broken, economically, most of the slack is going to be taken up by India. The jobs that do drift back to the U.S. will be automated. The manufacturing jobs will be done in the private prison system.

    Is anybody following this system? I've been tracking it. It's happening, has happened and its being ramped up. Those who think the U.S is actually becoming more 'nationalistic', in a positive sense are wrong. And, 'black lives matter,' is not part of a world wide NWO drive, imho. It is working counter to that. I believe it was the treatment of blacks and the underclass in Ferguson, Missouri, excessive fines and incarceration that touched off that movement. If all lives matter, as so many white people blithely toss off, then please look into this issue. That's all anybody can ask.

    Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?

    In Canada most of the Indian population is on reserves right out of the mainstream, or they have assimilated....on the West Coast. The rest of Canada is a different story and your sentiments about them, are bang on, particularly for Canada.

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    Chris Hedges is amazing and Jimmy Dore is both funny and takes the P*** out of neo-liberals and neo-cons. He's someone who believes deep into his core that ALL lives matter. He also understands that in order to make manifest the idea the all lives matter, we have to understand the specifics of those living very different lives than our own, and how that can be completely obscured by nearly ALL media.

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    All Lives Matter, for sure. In a perfect world, where there's no racism and injustice, that would be all we need. Nobody will disagree with the statement that all lives matter. In practice though, there are differences in how people are being treated. Some based on race, some on nationality, some on religion.

    However, this isn't a perfect world. It is necessary to focus our attention on parts of the largest issue. The death of George Floyd has focused our attention on the treatment of black people by the american justice system. Why is it wrong to focus on that small part of the larger major problem? Nobody thinks black lives matter *more* than other lives. It's just what we are focusing on right now. Saying #AllLivesMatter in response to these Black Lives Matter invalidates and undermines the importance of these protests. There's nothing wrong with supporting AllLivesMatter, but in my opinion there is something wrong with it if you choose to come out and say it *now*, during the BLM protests.

    The fact that, as Bill says, this is being used by the NWO, right, left or whoever for their own good, is something we have to deal with. But it shouldn't be a factor in supporting the #BLM protests. Every single event will be used to further someone's agenda. If we stop supporting anything that will be used to further the elites agendas, we may as well just sit in a corner and stop doing anything.

    A fundraiser for cancer is fine to support, and it doesn't mean you think all other diseases are unimportant. A rally to #savetherainforest is fine to support and it won't mean that all forests can go to hell. Obviously we should protect all dangerous animals in the world, but sometimes it's ok to focus the people's attention on the dangerously low numbers of tigers in the wild. Doesn't mean you think we should kill of all the sharks and whales. And finally: supporting #blacklivesmatter is fine, and it doesn't mean you think native indians have been treated properly in the past, or that they don't deserve our attention as well.

    TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.

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    TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.
    Yes. But the difference is that we're not singling this out. It's being singled out for us by the media all over the world.

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    Not all people in jails are 'guilty' many of them start out in that system for minor infractions and are then trapped by it. And I don't mean psychologically. I mean trapped trapped, like 'slave labor' for corporations trapped. How is this NOT the NWO on steroids?
    This docoumentary provides good coverage of the U.S. prison system entrapment and how its inception came from Bill Clinton's policies. There's obvious cherrypicking and bias but the prison coverage was well presented I thought.

    The Clintons have since "apologized" and claimed responsibility but its not enough and the interviewed don't think so either.

    What bothered me though was the promotion of Obama as a good guy. But why didn't he do something about these horrors in his 8 years.

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    Thanks Gemma,

    Here is more from a 2008 Global Research article. The situation improved a little under Obama, but has reverted back under Trump.

    Thanks to prison labor, the United States is once again an attractive location for investment in work that was designed for Third World labor markets. A company that operated a maquiladora (assembly plant in Mexico near the border) closed down its operations there and relocated to San Quentin State Prison in California. In Texas, a factory fired its 150 workers and contracted the services of prisoner-workers from the private Lockhart Texas prison, where circuit boards are assembled for companies like IBM and Compaq.

    [Former] Oregon State Representative Kevin Mannix recently urged Nike to cut its production in Indonesia and bring it to his state, telling the shoe manufacturer that “there won’t be any transportation costs; we’re offering you competitive prison labor (here).”


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pr...f-slavery/8289

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    If Trump wanted to do something in response to the nation wide protests, he could start asking judges to review the sentences they issued under mandatory sentencing laws and create a list of people who were sentenced to severely, review the cases and issue thousands of pardons and commutations. It would be way out of character for him but I don't think it would be terribly unpopular.

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    Quote Posted by Deneon (here)
    TLDR; in a perfect world, All Lives Matter would be enough and everyone would get it. In our world, it is necessary to single out smaller parts of the larger problem.
    Yes. But the difference is that we're not singling this out. It's being singled out for us by the media all over the world.


    Also, how many parts do you single out? And how do you rank and file them all? Because, as we've seen with LGBTQ etc, those groups can be divided up in almost endless ways. And then, who gets precedence? How do we decide which group has been oppressed the most? How do we achieve "equity" for the endless list of groups? Equity = Equality of Outcome. How can we possibly provide equal outcomes for all the alleged oppressed groups?

    This is what identity politics attempts to do - encourage us all to see the world as oppressor vs oppressed, the only variable in play being power. Notions of hard work, personal responsibility, and competence are tossed out the window. It all gets reduced to the asinine: If you're doing well it's because of your privilege, nothing else; if I'm doing poorly it's because I'm oppressed, nothing else.

    It's an absolutely pathological way to see the world.

    Also, when you keep dividing the world up into micro units of "oppressed" groups, it's inevitable that many of those groups will begin to view the other groups as "oppressors". (i.e. you may be gay and female, but I'm gay and female and black!). It's why I keep saying that the left will eventually eat itself. It's happening already, just in a slightly different way: L.A. gay pride parade organizers are being lambasted by BLM'ers for applying for a permit with the L.A. police department (How dare you work with those evil police?). They've now relinquished their space and time to the BLM movement; oh, after a formal apology for their inherent racism and privilege first, of course
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    How Anti Racism Hurts Black People- John McWhorter

    This video made before recent events is even more prescient today

    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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    Quote =Mike;1360505]

    This is what identity politics attempts to do - encourage us all to see the world as oppressor vs oppressed

    It's an absolutely pathological way to see the world.
    The media and politicians have been labeling people for decades. We are now seeing people define themselves by these labels. When people identify by race, wealth, gender, age, or even sexual preference this becomes extremely problematic for society. Instead of focusing on the betterment of the larger society people tend to fight for and defend their tribe.

    Tribal fighting is inevitable and probably the worse sort of division a country or the world can experience. I am convinced that the labeling has achieved its desired effect and it is intentional misdirection. Together we are strong, together we look out for each other, divided we are weak, divided we fight amongst ourselves, divided we are distracted from our real purpose.

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    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

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    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.
    Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

    I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood
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    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.

    You are making points I agree with. I'm glad people are having to chew on this blind racism thing.


    We DO need to sort all these things out, but can we please get out of the middle of the road to talk about them, there is a huge truck coming. If it runs over us, and it will if we don't stop this luxurious academic idiocy, there will be nothing left to discuss at all.
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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.
    Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

    I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood
    Interesting that you are more concerned with defending the legal system than trying to understand why this is the case (though I would be interested to know where you get your statistics). Are you aware of ancestral trauma? Trauma that is genetically encoded and passed down through generations. Can you imagine the trauma of having your children forcibly taken from you, of having communities savagely massacred. Of being forced fit into a system that doesn't fit. I mean seriously I could go on and on about the incredible suffering the indigenous communities here in Australia have endured since Colonization. Is it really any wonder why people carrying so much complex trauma don't 'fit nicely' into a deeply racist and unjust system a that they never asked to be part of? And is it fair to just expect them to fix themselves?

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    I wonder if it will still be alright to state all nations matter because where this is leading is to a one world government.

    Now, I don't know, but I wonder how other worlds with sentient life made the leap to a type 1 civilization. Did they go through the same process? Did they have out groups that had to be brought into the fold? Did they first form a one world government? Or did they use their national resources to vie for supremacy in space and then came together? Or did they never come together and several space faring nations sprung forth at once?

    The necessity to join forces might be deferred for a time, but if a world makes it to a type 2 civilization then I think it would take the resources of an entire world to tame the solar system - but it might not be so.


    Also, this world matters, our sun matters, matter matters. Maybe even truth matters still to some.

    One final thing: one of my books is titled Life Matters. Maybe I should re title it All Life Matters!


    I think it all depends on what kind of planet do you find yourself on. Could be far more simple than it is here, to start with. A planet supporting advanced life without the constant threat and hackle
    Like you just said: the Sun matters. Crude oil matters. Even sugar cane matters. Most of the human civilisation somehow grew up on sugar. Everything is interconnected. Don’t touch the cookie jar too often.

    This planet is natural miracle evolving so many forms of life at once. It’s a nursery really. Full of temptation for “adults”. “Taste this plant, test that creature, you may get unique experience”. But we do have to teach our children not to do that because it’s risky.

    It’s a wonderful world with multiplicity of options. It’s never going to be “perfectly safe” for us unless it all would be “terraformed” and under control which is the ultimate goal of the NWO anyway.


    Humans became very much a part of the ecosystem with all it has given and taken from them. They learned and acquired the feeling for here. That’s how they’re now victim of their own cultivation efforts too.

    It’s not natural to control your own kind that much. It’s not who we are, what we need or who we are meant to be.

    Forgive me if I say this aloud but this Planet with its abundance of Life will keep winning over us for quite a bit yet.
    How long is it going to take before people reconcile with differences and embrace their own kind( the human race) in Spirit of Universal brotherhood I don’t know but till it comes there will be only few of us/them left and we will be( sounds better than “they will be”) bunch of renegades, worn and thorn out and poor group of survivors rather than well brushed group of elitists and politicians.

    I can’t see it’s any soon because the rest of people have to fight and wipe out each other in their endless wars before we get there.

    It’s really not any soon from where I can see now.But it is the inevitable evolutionary future. Takes us right to the beginning of Civilization type 1 and being able to utilize “the best of planetary resources” right after utilizing the best of our intelligence and character. I think your academic was little off and flying to abstracts on that assessment. The criterium should read “the best of”, not “all of”.

    Intelligent life does not need to consume all of its environment and resources. It merely needs to make use of the best way available with it.

    If he was right then no higher Life than one of predatorship and consumption would flourish in the Greater Space
    and no one would ultimately enjoy being alive by the nature of Life itself, there would be no spiritual entities and no enlightenment but civilisations trapped in endless dependency and consumption.

    I merely attest it isn’t that way in the greater Universe.

    Most probably, Kardashev and most of his followers and current astrophysicists alike were staunch atheists, hard core skeptics and converted “humans” who just passed the labels on and on.

    I find it’s extremely difficult for most modern people to think out of the boxes and labels they are so proud of and that they grew up with, extremely difficult to come to touch with their “naked self”.
    So shameful really that those people feel restricted from accessing it even, most seem to have lost the best of their intuition and direct insight, replacing it by instinctive fear and endless self analysis and eternal speculation about “who are the other people”.

    Like children who have been preprogrammed to ask those questions they’re still seated at their grade 1 books of British English conversation, repeating “hello, I’m “name”, who are you?”

    That’s when I started noticing the massive retardation, degeneration of human intelligence everywhere around us. Even as a child I’ve noticed that. They never move on.

    They’ll just die for those labels or wait till they can get better ones.

    I know till I get to understand all that’s going on “here”, on this planet, the human situations past, presence and future, my lifetime will be about over.
    So trying to speed up.

    🙏🌟🙏

    No “black and white thinking” is not advanced thinking. That’s where every political thinking and efforts to simplify and label human existence or bring it “under control” is dehumanizing, humiliating and damaging the nature of human Mind/Spirit whatever name you give it.

    It’s an offense of character to call people “white”, “black” and any other label unless they chose to define themselves thus in the first place.

    No one has the right to call you by labels they’ve invented unless they intend to offend.

    And they should stop doing that to each other and be contended in their own silent
    Space for once, and before they ever open their mouth again to express the next “genial ideal” they should think I’m doing that like a little baby crying mama but I really want to sound smart.

    It takes lifetime to bring people to the “contended silent space” of greater understanding and intelligence that can’t be contained in simple words and most just don’t want to go there even.

    It’s how very stupid the world has become. We have killed most of the spiritual people and their wisdom because they did not “talk all the time” and could not be programmed.

    Instead we have offered them the “encyclopedia of human emotions” and phraseology of thinking to com-play with, thinking yes thinking oh those quiet people need to think more everyday.

    At the beginning and end, there’s silence and its full of understanding.

    Very few people realize that now and how human thoughts are imperfect, fleeting and impermanent together with the languages that have ever been used. How it all is just a human “program”

    Life evolves and moves forwards much faster than they imagine though.

    That’s why they’re afraid of Africa or even India because the potential all these people carry in them is almost endless. It’s multidimensional, visionary and alive.


    No Black&White thinking can contain us.

    No “stamp”, seal or label. All politicians are meant to lose it the same way Gandhi had to lose it just for putting yourself on pedestal.
    If you wanted to be the first and only one you’re meant to lose it.

    Take my advice on it all you budding politicians it’s not for real. No one is going to feel sorry about you winning or losing the game.
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    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.



    You'll have to give some more specific examples of how the system favors those with white skin.

    Education, here in the states, has never been easier for low income minorities. In fact, the poorer you are, the more likely you'll get all the grants and loans you need. Anyone who has ever said they can't afford college is either being willfully dense or they live in a cave.

    Plus, black students for example, are often accepted into university over whites and Asians who have better grades and S.A.T. scores. Someone, somewhere, decided that there were too many Asians in university, and that needed some remedying. All in the name of inclusivity and diversity, of course. By the way, Asians are a minoritiy too here in the states; they seem to be doing just fine, thriving even. Does punishing them for that seem reasonable to you?

    In 2016 a study was done at Harvard that showed no significant statistical difference regarding the use of excessive force (including officer shootings) between whites and blacks (when confronted with police).

    As far as business and industry goes, there are all sorts of affirmative action policies in place here in the US, mandating that minorities either get jobs they aren't necessarily qualified for, or at the very least granted interviews they otherwise would not have gotten unless they were black or brown.

    How do those things favor people with white skin? Where's the systemic injustice?

    And when you use the word "equality", what exactly do you mean by that? Are you advocating for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
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    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    This is something I wrote in a group on FB...."I hear a lot of spiritual people saying... I see no color, or there is no race in 5d. And while it is true that we are absolutely all equal in spirit and many of us have incarnated as many races, that does not mean that our experiences in the physical realm are equal. Our brothers and sisters of color deal with a level of racism everyday that is difficult if not impossible to understand if we are born into white skin. By using statements like all lives matter, or I see no color, we are brushing over and invalidating the suffering that our brothers and sisters of color experience through participation in a system that inherently favors white skin. Now of course everyone suffers and everyone has huge hurdles to deal with in this dense reality, but that is not the point. Right now a very specific problem is being highlighted and in order to create change that brings us closer to equality we need to first acknowledge it is happening, it is real. By acknowledging difference in experience we are not adding to division and separation, rather we are taking steps toward healing. No one should be dying or experiencing injustices because of the color of their skin..but they are. This sickening truth is not ok. This needs to stop immediately and only through big numbers standing up and saying no will we have any hope of change. Recent events have brought this to the attention of our collective awareness. We could choose to focus on what agenda is being played out behind the scenes, on all the ways other people, or ourselves might suffer, or we can use this as an opportunity to tackle injustices as they surface and take steps towards building a society that is truly equal. Right now it is Black Lives Matter ❤."

    And as I mentioned, of course there will be some agendas playing out, but that does not mean that an extremely real problem isn't being highlighted and that through raised awareness positive change can come.

    Here is a good example ...In Australia Aboriginal people represent less than 3% of the population and yet represent 25% of the prison population. Until recently this was rarely discussed. Now it is in public awareness. It has been shown that a white person is 4x more likely to get off with a warning when caught with canabis than a person of color.

    If we just focus on All lives matter how will this racism that is deeply entrenched in the system get the attention it needs.
    Because of BLM these things are finally being addressed.
    Right now the court system is looking at working with community elders to find better ways to address legal matters in indegenous communities. This is sooo needed.
    Yes but aboriginal people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people. I think the cannabis statistic is interesting and needs to be looked into but there could be non-racist reasons for this disparity. For instance you are more likely to be let of a crime if it is the first offence. To just jump at a conclusion of racism, could actually be construed as racist.

    I think the best way community elders could help the community is by helping them not to commit crime in the first place. Creating a culture of self-responsibility rather than victimhood
    Interesting that you are more concerned with defending the legal system than trying to understand why this is the case (though I would be interested to know where you get your statistics). Are you aware of ancestral trauma? Trauma that is genetically encoded and passed down through generations. Can you imagine the trauma of having your children forcibly taken from you, of having communities savagely massacred. Of being forced fit into a system that doesn't fit. I mean seriously I could go on and on about the incredible suffering the indigenous communities here in Australia have endured since Colonization. Is it really any wonder why people carrying so much complex trauma don't 'fit nicely' into a deeply racist and unjust system a that they never asked to be part of? And is it fair to just expect them to fix themselves?
    I am very concerned with why this is the case, that why I said the Elders should be working on issues why they are committing crime which does include ancestral trauma. They should be given support in working through this.

    Defending a legal system, yes as things stand I do believe there should be a rule of law, without that there would be anarchy. Should those committing violent crime just be excused because of what happened to their ancestors? Perhaps we should extend that right to the Jews because of the holocaust they endured.

    I did say the cannabis statistics should be looked into but I offered explanations in why this could be the case. Every opportunity should be made to correct injustice with law.

    The legal system is subject to the rule of law as well and it is an offence to racially police. Of course, there will be offenders, like most crime there are also people that get away with it.

    Can you please point out how the Australian legal system is racist? What laws Aboriginals are subject to that non-indigenous are not? The legal system is far from perfect, but the aboriginals live under the same laws as the non-indigeneous.

    I too wish we could live in a golden age where there is no need for law but as things stand that seems a long way off.

    Here's the link, genuinely interested in the source of the cannabis link as well.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-...commit/2602494
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    “Black lives matter” is just a faint warning as I see it,
    and no this isn’t an opinion, I see things, as they are.
    Really weak and faint reminder of what’s to come yet and what the NWO fear the most,
    people waking up and taking all that “program” down, with all it entails.
    If it’s the Africans who will take it down one day so be it.
    They have the power there before they too get wiped out and programmed.

    Law system? What “law system” protects you better than your own consciousness and conscience ? None. But you were taught not to respect your own conscience but you were taught to follow “the program”.
    So people get killed heedlessly, without giving it second thought even under the auspicious of the program.

    Law system protecting us from whom? The people living around us, we are meant to fear?

    Before it came in, people lived without locks on their doors. They had self respect and respect for each other if they called themselves “civilized”.

    What kind of respect does your program offer to any of us?

    Respect for a label ?

    How comes that scholars and all forms of education based in natural capacity to study, from one person to another thrived through out human history within all cultures, without any such “program”?

    How comes that todays children growing up in these “peak of generation systems” are bored to death by schools, overwhelmed by being co-educated so many give up and opt out because can’t keep the pace ? How comes that a quality of modern aspirant for scholarship is only assessed by your capacity to compete and cope with program?

    The program that became the “god” of todays civilized world invented by ..white man.

    Can you see any other option ? After the “program” took over in China and most of the Northern hemisphere anyway, with few remaining islands of sanity,
    where is the place for human dignity and knowing ?

    The dignity and knowing of programmed donkey ?

    Todays medical professionals( and about everyone else) are the best examples of how much potential have we lost really. The ability to “see” and “know” directly was labeled non existent and illegal. Simply, follow the guidelines. Don’t try to cure the patient. You may be called guilty for not following the guidelines.

    Who, in this difficult human future will save you for “being white” and else? If they do they’ll have to be rather kind hearted and compassionate people.

    Because it’s “your label” of being the confused white man you’ve cast upon yourself and the whole human race.

    You’ve lied to yourself about how the other cultures and people were more stupid before you came in.
    India with its ancient Sanskrit heritage and educated history of thousands of years is a good example how it was done. Keep people starved and dominated for two hundred years they’ll grow too weak to defend themselves.
    All you taught them was fear. Yes Sir, no Madam.
    No Indian scholar would ever have decent discussion with you. Endless humiliation taking place, destruction and suppression of existing culture.
    After you brought all these people down to their knees so they’re laughable stock you throw them, mercifully your latest program option.
    They still better “catch up” rather fast. It’s not a biggie. It’s not that it had to be that way.

    The same may be true for Africa. I don’t believe that all those people are brain dead.


    But there’s something you forget about it and yourself and that’s how everything is short lived here and the things that matter to you are as insignificant as game of chicken. Trapped in the game, what matters the most to some of the todays people ? Some kind of new label ?

    Label instead of love for learning, label cloth instead of loving the work you wanted to do, wives and children “with labels”, also?

    Naturally, this all is very short sighted and short lived. Much of today’s generation don’t even remember life before computers.
    If you took most of it away from them how much do they really know ?
    Can they communicate beyond “google translate”?

    What are their dreams about everyday? Finding a “safe place in the system”?

    The program is short lived like any milestone in human history and will be taken down someday by future humans as well.

    No, not now or in the US. Somewhere, somehow.


    Because no amount of humiliation and suppression is endless, it just keeps building you know. We can contain it almost indefinitely to entertain the quirks of the “white man”.
    But one day someone smarter will grow up and get up to their full capacity and say stop. We are not criminals, we are not slaves and subjects of pathological analysis, we are far better and more powerful than that.


    And I think it’s what the PTB/NWO fear the most.



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    Just saw this so don't know if validated yet. But if it is this is what is insulting to the serious cause of black lives matter.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCanda...74599635529732

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    A truly wise indigenous elder may agree with the title of this thread.
    Such an elder, with consciousnes so refined, may well understand that nothing is separate; that we are spirit in matter, part of the same wave of infinite intelligence.

    This wise elder has awoken to the illusion of separation; this game that plays out--in one form or another-- over and over on planet earth. If we so choose.
    S/he would not be in judgement of others: those who riot, murder, steal, play victim, play oppressor, climb the ladder, seek more power. The karmic wheel, like planet earth, is always seeking balance.

    There are millions of examples, throughout history, that show human suffering--all countries, all races. There are also millions of examples that show human acts of love, care and kindness. These are the qualities that begin revolutions.

    So what is my point here? Well, it seems to be a great spiritual challenge that we are facing, one that requires personal inquiry. who am I? This question goes beyond race and skin colour if any lasting change will be achieved. Do people really wish for peace and unity? Do you have a victim story? I don't have the answers, but am just posing some questions.

    It's pretty fascinating that many indigenous cultures view the Pleiadian star beings as part of their ancestral line. We are all indigineous-- belonging to planet earth but also to the cosmic forces. There is a bigger wider deeper story ....always.

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