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    Default Tyranny One Tiny Step At A Time

    How ideology, group identity and collective guilt destroy societies.

    Jordan Peterson with Joe Rogan here.

    25 mins long. I would consider this required listening for every human being on the planet:


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    I know people smile when I head back into spirituality yet again.
    BUT!!!
    If people understood even a small part of spirituality and acted upon it, then we would not have the problems we have in this world.
    Most people have heard of the greeting "Namaste" without knowing what it means.
    The translation I like is " I greet the God in you"
    We are all powered by the same Divine energy -- knowing this dissipates judgment --labeling and the need to be different.
    We are unique but not different -- same life force.
    Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Default Re: Tyranny One Tiny Step At A Time

    Hi Chris, i appreciate your spiritual angle on things! For me, personally, it helps balance out any over-intellectualism I may be engaging in. So thanks.

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    Yes, an excellent and real must listen. Darned good attention needs to be paid to what is being said.

    Also cited and cross posted from over here.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDClxjcR-4

    Excerpt from Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson Dec 2016 interview “Tyranny, one tiny step at a time - How ideology, group identity & collective guilt destroy societies”


    From about 14:02 through 17:06
    [Peterson] if you teach one side to play identity politics de-facto you teach the other side to play identity politics. And I've seen more and more people who are Center people as far as I'm concerned pushed to the right because of the continual insistence that, by their mere existence they're part of the perpetrator group

    [Rogan] So just by being a white person, who is somehow or another successful [that] you are a privileged person; you're part of the elite. You're part of the 1%, you're part of the problem

    [Peterson] Absolutely. You're an oppressor by being just too. Well it's also extremely annoying for people who've worked really hard, and who've made the requisite sacrifices to become successful along some dimension, to have that immediately attributed to their oppression and it's not, it's not obvious that that's something we want to do

    it's like, for the social justice warrior types out there who might be listening, it's like, are you really willing to say that every single person who's accomplished something has done that as a consequence of oppression?.[My emphasis - TQ]

    That's again with [what] the Soviets claimed with regards to the to the successful peasants in the nineteen, in the just before the 1920s. It's like, well, the peasants weren't emancipated they were serfs until about thirty years before that. They were serfs. They were basically slaves and some of them had clambered up to the point where maybe they owned their hot, and a cow,

    Well the Soviet claim was well that's all theft. You got that all because you're an oppressor and so then the Soviet intellectuals went into the villages, and just imagine how this happened. So imagine a village, a small town where everyone knows everybody and there's maybe 10, 20 people there who are moderately successful.

    Ok, and so you can imagine that those 20 people have like a hundred enemies at the bottom of the socio-economic distribution – useless horrible people who are jealous and resentful about the fact that these people have been successful.

    Ok, so now the intellectuals come in and say: “Property is theft!” “Success is oppression!” and then they look for the people in the village who are willing to move against those 20 successful people, while those guys at the bottom, those hundred resentful jealous murderous people at the bottom, they're just waiting for an opportunity to go kick down some doors.

    And that's exactly what they did in the 1920s. And as I said they wiped out all their productive peasants and then six million Ukrainians starved to death. They had posters the Soviets produced.Posters in the 1930s that said - essentially – “Don't forget it's wrong to eat your children.”

    There's nothing about the Soviet, there's nothing that you can imagine that's horrible enough so that it matched the reality of what happened in the Soviet Union between 1919 and 1959, And, you know, the West knew about this too, early.
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Default Re: Tyranny One Tiny Step At A Time

    A great video, one which I had not seen. You can see the angst and hear the anxiety building up in this man. It is no wonder that he became addicted to anti-anxiety drugs.

    He reinforced my fears about identity politics. It really makes me wonder how bad it has to get before "the woke" actually wake up. How much damage must we endure, how many more needless deaths must we watch?

    The one thing that made me sadly smile was something that I think we all know but never stop to think about. The people taking down these statues do not have a clue about history. I am not trying to be funny but I bet most if not all of them could not even tell you when the civil war occurred or that Jim Crow was only a fictional character.

    People calling for socialism or marxism have no real understanding of history. Yes, intellectually anyone can make a convincing argument about how wonderful such a system could be if fully implemented. In reality, it has never worked nor will it ever. Ahhh but if we only had different people at the top.

    Fairness and equality should never apply to economics. Those calling for it are on a road to oppression.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I know people smile when I head back into spirituality yet again.
    BUT!!!
    If people understood even a small part of spirituality and acted upon it, then we would not have the problems we have in this world.
    Most people have heard of the greeting "Namaste" without knowing what it means.
    The translation I like is " I greet the God in you"
    We are all powered by the same Divine energy -- knowing this dissipates judgment --labeling and the need to be different.
    We are unique but not different -- same life force.
    Chris
    Nice. But low resolution.

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