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    Help me understand...

    Is this thread meant to be a "pro Q only" thread?

    ... best made on a different thread?

    This is a very important question, I hope some of ya'll will weigh in.
    Hi Chester

    If I am understanding and were I to answer your question, I would revisit the inter-forum turmoil of the past. Instead, I will revisit a particular past about Q, and hope it worthwhile to the total picture.

    To me, the first 45 days were poetry, after that just a news source, although probably the most valuable at any given time, a status it maintains. The "sources" of the NYT and Q are, in an odd way, the same.

    You've got your anti-Trump CNN and anti-Trump NYT and whatever. OK, I'll listen to what you have to say. You've got your pro-Trump FOX and pro-Trump Q and whatever. OK, I'll listen to what you have to say. Then you've got your history books written by the victors and your biographies written by the fixers. OK.

    The only thing I will accept is military documents and government documents, in that order so, by definition, I will reject everything else. And go from there.

    But I'll take all the extras I can get.


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    [Moved to here from a post made 2020-07-31 on a different Q thread. Reason for the move - it is more appropriate here.]

    Meanwhile... what reveals the "never spoken about" actuality (and thus, what is pointing directly at "the true shot caller")... here's DJ's 56:26 minutes of "get a clue" folks - (hint... all this political theater, which includes the alternative community's desire there be "savior phantoms" is all nothing but distraction... and... further "steering")

    Anyone figured out yet that something like a Q op, when the technology is there to manage in any way they want, every single living human being... might just be meant to thicken the profiling file "they" hold for each of us?

    We gamed out the Q as ‘social engineering tool’ when we thought Q might have been an A.I. developed by DARPA and CERN as hinted at in the CERN tarot.











    As a profiling tool, the Q movement only really fits with the Clare Graves model of organisational psychology. One of Clare Graves students was Wyatt Woodsmall, who was a behavioural profiling expert that taught NLP (neurolinguistic programming) modelling to the CIA.

    John Gittingers PAS (Personality Assessment System) was another favourite CIA profiling system, but that’s used more to find compliant Manchurian candidates that can be installed into positions of power for total ideological control. The Q folk are the ones Gittingers PAS wouldn’t want anywhere near positions of power because Q folk have independent thoughts and questioning minds which means they are harder or more volatile to control.

    Another of the more effective profiling systems that made its way into public knowledge is the LAB (Language and Behaviour) System. Whereas Clare Graves is about group psychology, this gets down into individual motivation strategies.

    Are the Q drops for profiling? I don’t think it’s necessary, the profiling they get from people’s google data and browsing history, spyware apps on phones etc. Would give them infinitely more nuanced information than whether they follow Q or not. But if I wanted to program an A.I. and have that A.I. evolve humanity to higher octaves of consciousness, like a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly, the Q folk are definitely the ‘imaginal cells‘ you’d want to have lead the charge on that.

    The Q drops work more on the process of hermeneutics, which was classically a tool used for initiates in various mystery traditions, a process of grinding out the chaff to get to the wheat. Ontology, epistemology, axiology and methodology are at the heart of that tradition.

    Hermeneutic loop in the ontological process



    Quote A Hermeneutic Framework for the Literature Review Process (Boell & CezecKecmanovic, 2014:264) Hermeneutics in IS: First Round/Preliminary Overview Since IS may be regarded as an interdisciplinary science, combining elements of the natural and human sciences, and often works with language and text, the concepts of prefiguration and hermeneutics are salient for IS philosophers and theorists. Cole and O'Keefe (2002) support the idea that readers' presuppositions are important in the reading of a text; readers actually contribute to the creation of the meaning of a text. Even within the same context, different individuals can still have divergent understandings of phenomena based on their "established cognitive maps" (Ying, Wang, Jiang, & Klein, 2006:3). Hermeneutics is not limited to interpretation, but also pertains to the generations and transmission of meaning (Heelan, 1998).
    Following Q can definitely add to the profiling file they have on each of us, but it wouldn’t tell them much more than they already know based on the websites you visit to gather your news from each morning. At most, being overtly pro-Q just lets twitter (or other websites worried about losing control of the cultural narrative) know who to shadow ban, as was seen on the twitter purge of Q followers recently.

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    I would consider one step further beyond simply identifying followers of the information. A "Q follower" is just a flag. I would then use profiling methods that evaluate the degree to which the flagged individual was "red pilled." I would also then search my file to see if the individual has exposure to compromise. I would then, depending in the threat level assessment, take measures to mitigate that individual's impact on others.

    All done by advanced AI and only requiring human involvement if a certain risk level has been ascertained. In addition, the degree to which human action is involved is determined based on threat level and budget availability. One of more humans are put on task.

    Simple harassment can be implemented escalating from there. Covert, avoidance of direct detection, etc. Over time, each subversive threat is ground down bit by bit until their activity is reduced below levels that justify human intervention and/or they are eliminated via physical demise.

    At some point, free, independent thinking individuals who also have the strength, discipline and articulation capability get reduced to such a small number, they are left alone as they serve a purpose as well... the constant reselling of "false hope."

    Sadly, I can't stop being who/what I am... someone who says (too much) what I think... but when a site like this forum has, for whatever reasons/justifications/necessity, chosen to censor threads involving the Q phenomena in a section called "The 'Q' Material, pros and cons," it is difficult to make odds in favor of a pendulum swing anytime soon. (The microcosm reflecting the macrocosm - as below / so above).

    I still appreciate your view, Jayke, of the two factions dating back to antiquity - the Lion and the Serpent groups... I so wish it to be true, also because I believe the reality holds a bias to evolution of consciousness as opposed to devolution of consciousness.

    Short term blips (and Kali Yugas) aside.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Again though, that degree of profiling for “threat level” “to mitigate that individuals impact on others” doesn’t need a Q movement to figure out who those people are. Gittingers PAS System would’ve marked ‘the threats to the system’ before people have finished adolescence. Even babies can be tested for the disruptive personality traits, which is how Gittingers system actually got started. Predictive behaviour from inbuilt neurological personality patterns that don’t deviate too much as people age.

    To make odds in favour of a pendulum swing, requires better, more accurate information than the signal that gets amplified by the mockingbird media. Best to track the trends that don’t get much airtime but have much greater relevance on how everything will play out. Dr Steve Turley has one of the best channels in that regard. He‘s been tracking the emergence of the new conservative era since Trump was elected in 2016 and puts out an almost daily video. Humans have a 75% negativity bias (just the way the brain is wired) so the positive signals often get drowned out by the fear porn. But there is much to be hopeful over when tracking the empirical data. The tide is turning.


    Ray Dalio is another good one to follow. He’s working on a book for which he’s been posting articles on his LinkedIn ’the changing world order’, which is his own empirical and historical study of how nations rise and fall in patterns of societal development.

    The trends are looking up, regardless of how dire everything may seem, consciousness is rising when viewed in the context of the bigger picture.

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    Again though, that degree of profiling for “threat level” “to mitigate that individuals impact on others” doesn’t need a Q movement to figure out who those people are. Gittingers PAS System would’ve marked ‘the threats to the system’ before people have finished adolescence. Even babies can be tested for the disruptive personality traits, which is how Gittingers system actually got started. Predictive behaviour from inbuilt neurological personality patterns that don’t deviate too much as people age.

    To make odds in favour of a pendulum swing, requires better, more accurate information than the signal that gets amplified by the mockingbird media. Best to track the trends that don’t get much airtime but have much greater relevance on how everything will play out. Dr Steve Turley has one of the best channels in that regard. He‘s been tracking the emergence of the new conservative era since Trump was elected in 2016 and puts out an almost daily video. Humans have a 75% negativity bias (just the way the brain is wired) so the positive signals often get drowned out by the fear porn. But there is much to be hopeful over when tracking the empirical data. The tide is turning.


    Ray Dalio is another good one to follow. He’s working on a book for which he’s been posting articles on his LinkedIn ’the changing world order’, which is his own empirical and historical study of how nations rise and fall in patterns of societal development.

    The trends are looking up, regardless of how dire everything may seem, consciousness is rising when viewed in the context of the bigger picture.
    I have a suspicion... along the lines of mountain_jim's first featured quote in his signature - well, I say "suspicion" because even "a hope" can be one if there's some evidence that it could be true, at least on a case by case basis.

    That suspicion is that in today's world, a particular individual could experience a profound consciousness shift. My suspicion includes the possibility an individual who may have been "plotted" on the map of Gittingers PAS System (or any other evaluation system for that matter) could disappear from that position and re-emerge in a completely new (and, depending on one's perspective) emerge in a position that poses a threat to one's vision of "how all can be controlled."

    Because my suspicion includes the factor that the current rate of acceleration of insanity coupled with a global "state of current condition" - completely covered up (by humans) Earth, may have never been seen on this planet before (unless before a previously occurring apocalypse).

    So, I would certainly be looking for threats like this and, considering my own life experience as an example, engage in continued testing.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    I have a suspicion... along the lines of mountain_jim's first featured quote in his signature - well, I say "suspicion" because even "a hope" can be one if there's some evidence that it could be true, at least on a case by case basis.

    That suspicion is that in today's world, a particular individual could experience a profound consciousness shift. My suspicion includes the possibility an individual who may have been "plotted" on the map of Gittingers PAS System (or any other evaluation system for that matter) could disappear from that position and re-emerge in a completely new (and, depending on one's perspective) emerge in a position that poses a threat to one's vision of "how all can be controlled."

    Because my suspicion includes the factor that the current rate of acceleration of insanity coupled with a global "state of current condition" - completely covered up (by humans) Earth, may have never been seen on this planet before (unless before a previously occurring apocalypse).

    So, I would certainly be looking for threats like this and, considering my own life experience as an example, engage in continued testing.
    It’s definitely possible. We’re getting into uncharted territory. One concern to be aware of is a study that was mentioned in “Chan Thomas - the story of Adam and Eve” that was brought up on the Q thread a while back.

    Off the top of my head without looking it up to confirm the details. He mentioned that global plate shifts occur when the planets magnetic environment weakens to the point that the tectonic plates lose traction with the earths mantle and everything slides around. He mentioned England and Australia would end up on the equator after the next cataclysmic pole shift, which was already a overdue based on his estimates.

    Curiously though, he also discussed a study on the effects of magnetic fields on mice. Putting mice in a low magnetic environment caused them to lose their minds and start cannibalising each other. I think he used the term ‘mice criminality increased in low magnetic environments’.

    Great book by ‘Frank Joseph - Survivors of Atlantis‘, shows how Atlantis sank over a period of several thousand years, losing more and more of its continent after subsequent natural disasters. Just before the final cataclysm, the Atlanteans embarked on what was basically a world war at the time, a mass invasion of Greece and Egypt. Could the magnetic environment in Atlantis have been weakening for months or years beforehand causing Atlantean criminality to increase?

    There’s a really interesting blog I follow. A Catholic Jew Pontificates, he’s pieced together a completely different timeline and worldview of history based on DNA studies mixed with an incredibly detailed knowledge of tzadikim Hebrew Theology.

    He came to the conclusion that changes in DNA and genetic expression often occur most prevalently after cataclysmic disasters. Creating new races and species of humans.

    So your suspicions might have some scientific and historical basis to support them.

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    Is this "The Plan"" or nature taking its course?



    postscript comment: "Please, don't come to Texas."

    One of the comments said - "Celebrities leaving Hollywood is like cancer cells moving to other parts of the body."
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    Here's an interesting view of "where we are at" - Paul Joseph Watson



    Here's the Bitchute link for when Youtube takes down the above -

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/nvesu6oK4rU/
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    Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.

    Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:


    Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?

    Funny, an old favorite came rolling back through my head while writing this:

    Quote I watched with glee
    While your kings and queens
    Fought for ten decades
    For the gods they made

    I shouted out
    Who killed the Kennedys?
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    Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.
    Which part specifically did he even try to portray ‘every’ protest as an out of control angry mob? It was more just a highlights reel from a spasticated and demented dying worldview. He has done his due diligence over the years to highlight the spiritual and intellectual bankruptcy of the modernist crowd though, even if I’m not a fan of the bleak outlook he portrays in his latest videos.

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    Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:
    ^^^^
    No bueno. The uploader has got viewing switched off for people outside the US. Won’t let me watch it in the UK at least.

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    Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?
    Maybe, then, I'm not human... because I don't want to see either one of what any of these videos point to.

    Or maybe there are human exceptions?

    Or maybe, there's better ways to achieve solution but too many humans who 'tend to see what they want to see' in the way?
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    COVID CRASH: Here’s The Incredible Chart The MSM Doesn’t Want You To See

    The COVID-19 pandemic sure looks like it’s long past it’s peak — and might be over, at least according to a new chart from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    Take a look at the chart above, titled “Provisional Death Count For Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19).”

    CDC Website with the interactive chart - click here and scroll up then hover over each week.
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Well, Paul has certainly, and unsurprisingly, done his due diligence in portraying every protest, as an out of control angry mob.
    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Which part specifically did he even try to portray ‘every’ protest as an out of control angry mob? It was more just a highlights reel from a spasticated and demented dying worldview.
    I was referring to the first 6:30 of the video. If I go by just that, there has not been a peaceful blm (note the small case letters) protest.

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    Two can play at that game though, look how easy it is to portray every cop, as a ruthless thug:
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    ^^^^
    No bueno. The uploader has got viewing switched off for people outside the US. Won’t let me watch it in the UK at least.
    Aw that sucks, the video was just basically the flip side of PJW's montage, showing police managing protesters in the worst possible light, without exception.

    My point was anyone can create a montage of all worst possible examples of anything, creating the effect that it's ubiquitous.

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    Maybe humans tend to see what they want to see?
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    Maybe, then, I'm not human... because I don't want to see either one of what any of these videos point to.

    Or maybe there are human exceptions?

    Or maybe, there's better ways to achieve solution but too many humans who 'tend to see what they want to see' in the way?
    Sorry for not being more clear. I didn't mean "want to see", as in I want to see that move; I meant it as I think in general, people tend to gravitate towards information that fits with their world view.

    Like on the political and sociological side of this forum for instance, the dominant news sources would be Breitbart, InfoWars, FOX NEWS, and OANN. If these are the places one goes for news and commentary every day, they're guaranteed to find exactly what they're "looking for".

    The same would go for those regularly going to outlets like MSNBC, the big network news channels, and most major newspapers. They get exactly what they're "looking for".
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    We've been played (but most on this forum know this)

    https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/...rgency-sham%2F

    and...

    The Fauci Files

    Story at-a-glance

    Dr. Anthony Fauci has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, but has yet to come out with the “Big One” — a vaccine or infectious disease treatment that will allow him to retire with a victory under his belt

    Fauci has flip-flopped on the use of masks, first mocking people for wearing them, and then insisting they should. In mid-July, he suddenly urged governments to “be as forceful as possible” on mask rules

    While Fauci still claims there’s only anecdotal evidence supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine, and that the drug doesn’t work for COVID-19, the scientific support for it goes as far back as 2005

    In April, Fauci praised the NIAID-sponsored drug Remdesivir, saying it "has a clear-cut and significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery." Overall, the improvement rate for the drug was 31%

    Research now shows hydroxychloroquine reduced mortality by 50% when given early, and many doctors anecdotally claim survival rates close to 100%. Despite such excellent results, Fauci continues to disparage and cast doubt on hydroxychloroquine
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    Anyone still on the fence about Q need only look at the narrative of those attempting to denounce it.

    In the article mountain_jim posted here, they call it far-right. What is that supposed to actually mean though? White-supremacist? Have they done a single second of research? Is there anything in any of the Q-drops that insinuates white supremacy and things of that nature? Fake news! (and slander, and dare I say hate-speech).

    The fake news media have largely ignored Q for the better part of three years now. Why? I'd hazard a guess and say Q and Q research was confined to some deep corner of the internet and it didn't much affect them down there. But it's now getting close to home. Q is calling out the media and their lies. Actively and loudly. More and more Q signs are showing up at gatherings and rallies. It's on their doorstep now, and they're in PANIC mode.

    So, we get hit-piece after hit-piece after hit-piece.



    They have no choice but to poison it in the eyes of newcomers and onlookers, those too lazy to do any fact-finding themselves. A quick article, a simple headline, is all it will take for many sheep to make up their minds and move on. After a lifetime of media conditioning and programming that's their default setting.

    The JFK assassination was opening night, the grand premiere, for Operation Mocking Bird. Twist, hide, spin, fabricate, and bury. 50+ years later, the media have become practised experts at writing scripts to program the public consciousness. It's second nature to them. It's their daily bread.

    However, because Q is an open-source Think Tank, a sort of back-channel Wikileaks 2.0 disseminating truth to any who have the ear (and stomach) to listen, it intrinsically challenges and jeopardizes the very existence of the media. I suppose none of us should be surprised by their [PANIC].

    Secondly, they call Q baseless. I pointed out in a previous post that if you are going to proclaim something as baseless in a mainstream news article, you have to explain why it's baseless. Yet they do not. Calling this sloppy journalism would be to sully the word sloppy! This is equivalent to a child who scored an F in Science 1.01, who doesn't know the difference between oxygen and iron, having the conceit to call Quantum Field Theory 'baseless'.

    To effectively debunk something you need to provide counter-evidence, you need to address the core issues. Philip J. Klass, absolute stooge though he was, was at pains for many years to slam UFOs. Everything that spewed out of the man was 100% manure of course, but at least he provided a deconstruction, and an alternative point of view. But the media dare not present any substance. That might pique the curiosity of on-the-fencers, and they may go rogue and wander off reservation to find out the truth for themselves. And they can't have that! So they resort merely to trashing it. It's the safest way, and the only way to treat it.

    Finally, they round off with the trigger word extremism, citing an example where one mentally ill person, with some knives, suffered an episode. They totally sidestep the real extremism taking place on the streets today, extremism against the very things that Q stands for: truth, values, liberty, and peace.

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    This is a brilliant post, Star Mariner.

    I have spent several months doing my own "investigation" of Q. The primary premise, that we do our own research and our own thinking is a standout.

    Imagine if schools were reformed where our children were presented with the tools and techniques for thinking for themselves, doing their own research, developing intellectual self-honesty, managing their own ability to practice critical thinking instead of what has happened over the last several generations of indoctrination into post modern "progressive" "faux elite" secular (ie. void of meaning) 'insane-ism.'
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    Wilcock happens to be a "Q believer."
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    This is what I remembered about the folks that lived here.

    Some of us still remember how to live... whether here or anywhere - WWG1...

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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    (if anything, Q is a classic liberal - left-wing - movement)
    That's really a stretch there Star. As just a starting point, Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from his loyal base, of which a sizeable chunk is Christian Fundamentalist and such.

    There's been very little I've seen here that ever makes me sit back and think "hmmm, these people are really starting to remind me of that good old fashioned classic left wing".

    No, this is most certainly a right wing movement. Up to now individuals have done well to separate themselves from the overall political underpinnings, and that they can support this that and the other part of it without being "right wing" or "republican" themselves, but to now try and classify the whole thing as classing liberal left, which is generally associated with America's founders and principles?

    I'm sorry but that dog just don't hunt.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    (if anything, Q is a classic liberal - left-wing - movement)
    That's really a stretch there Star. As just a starting point, Q is inseparable from Trump, who is in turn inseparable from his loyal base, of which a sizeable chunk is Christian Fundamentalist and such.

    There's been very little I've seen here that ever makes me sit back and think "hmmm, these people are really starting to remind me of that good old fashioned classic left wing".

    No, this is most certainly a right wing movement. Up to now individuals have done well to separate themselves from the overall political underpinnings, and that they can support this that and the other part of it without being "right wing" or "republican" themselves, but to now try and classify the whole thing as classing liberal left, which is generally associated with America's founders and principles?

    I'm sorry but that dog just don't hunt.
    The good ole classic left wing was massively anti-establishment. So is Q.

    The good ole left wing used to defend free speech, now they police speech.

    The good ole left wing was anti-war. Now it is a front for the war profiteer machine known is the military, industrial and congressional complex.

    And those are just three easy ones off the top of my head. Too bad you have the thread censored because if you didn't, you might attract a few more members who would be helpful in adding more items to my quick list.
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