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    I think there’s a lot on confusion here as to what is LEFT and RIGHT.
    It would be nice to get everybody’s understanding...

    Let me share mine...

    LEFT
    Communism
    Socialism
    Controlled economy
    Equal wages for all
    Abolishment of religion
    Free education (must teach left values only)
    Government over everything (tyranny)
    Abolish history
    Delete old people, snitch your neighbor in
    Borders for the serfs, no borders for government officials
    Mandatory everything government says

    RIGHT
    Democracy
    Libertarianism
    Free economy
    Paid education (choice)
    Freedom of religion
    Government as a service
    Every man for himself, but share the love
    Borders are a basic tenet of stability
    Nothing is mandatory
    Spade, there are some fundamental issues with your list. Maybe you could read this Wikipedia entry for an easy and succinct definition. Many of the things you think are actually the complete opposite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–r...tical_spectrum

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do

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    Jane
    Please understand that I stated that this is my opinion, and not Wikipedia's (which by the way, is controlled by the Left)? I want to understand what everyone thinks and not just parrot what is fed to them. What is yours?

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    The dots are being lined up between what is going on now all the way back to the 1960's with Bill Ayers and company. It had been planned and well funded for quite some time. They have a done a great job at using the good hearts of Americans to slide in their agenda in underneath the surface to gain traction. Susan Rosenberg is good name to research to begin to see the connections.

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    Spade, there are some fundamental issues with your list. Maybe you could read this Wikipedia entry for an easy and succinct definition. Many of the things you think are actually the complete opposite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–r...tical_spectrum
    Left and Right are old terms and are no longer relevant. It's about power, and where it lies. The pertinent dichotomy is now:

    Centralisation vs. Decentralisation

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    Jane
    Please understand that I stated that this is my opinion, and not Wikipedia's (which by the way, is controlled by the Left)? I want to understand what everyone thinks and not just parrot what is fed to them. What is yours?
    When it comes to definitions, what people think is irrelevant. We need to be able to have some objective measure of something to know what everyone else is talking about, otherwise our conversations are redundant.

    Wikipedia being left wing or not has no bearing on the definition of something.

    The US has a different interpretation of the left/right thing because their parties switched agendas at some point and their right wing party represents both conservatives and libertarians. That doesn’t make freedom and the pursuit of liberty a right wing thing it makes it a Republican thing. As an aside, it’s beyond me how a party can represent both conservatives and libertarians but there you go.

    However, I note you’re not from the US so I’m not sure how the above would be relevant to you.

    The left vs right debate was born during the time of the French Revolution when the republicans sat on the left side of the parliament and the traditionalists sat on the right.

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?
    Susan Rosenberg and several of the other BLM organizers came from the Weather Underground of the 1960’s - 70’s. Rosenberg’s Domestic Terrorism conviction was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office. She went about organizing for one of the various Soros Front outfits, Thousand Talents, which supervises BLM’s operations and fundraising. She and several others in the leadership claim to be “Trained Marxists”.

    Not that that actually applies to what we are talking about in this thread, which is jumping timelines. In the larger scheme of things, BLM is utterly unimportant. They always were just a Rich Man’s Trick. Same with Antifa, which has become something of a bugaboo in Right Wing Circles.

    It will take our friends on both the Left and Right some time to get that. Of course, anyone passingly familiar with the manipulation of the American media after the successful Putsch against JFK already knows this.

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    Spade, there are some fundamental issues with your list. Maybe you could read this Wikipedia entry for an easy and succinct definition. Many of the things you think are actually the complete opposite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–r...tical_spectrum
    Left and Right are old terms and are no longer relevant. It's about power, and where it lies. The pertinent dichotomy is now:

    Centralisation vs. Decentralisation
    Not really because this only pertains to government power. At the moment it’s corporate and private power that we should be most afraid of.

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?
    Susan Rosenberg and several of the other BLM organizers came from the Weather Underground of the 1960’s - 70’s. Rosenberg’s Domestic Terrorism conviction was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office. She went about organizing for one of the various Soros Front outfits, Thousand Talents, which supervises BLM’s operations and fundraising. She and several others in the leadership claim to be “Trained Marxists”.

    Not that that actually applies to what we are talking about in this thread, which is jumping timelines. In the larger scheme of things, BLM is utterly unimportant. They always were just a Rich Man’s Trick. Same with Antifa, which has become something of a bugaboo in Right Wing Circles.

    It will take our friends on both the Left and Right some time to get that. Of course, anyone passingly familiar with the manipulation of the American media after the successful Putsch against JFK already knows this.
    Unfamiliar with this connection but I suppose this is only a problem if you’re afraid of Marxism, I need to look further into this to understand the agenda of the Weather Underground group. I have vague recollections from a documentary or movie or something but it was along time ago.

    I’ve read through the agendas of the BLM and I don’t see any issue with them at face value. I’ve investigated the links with Soros and as a non American I don’t really care. I can’t confirm that he said what people said he said, but I’ve had a feeling for a while that the US would be helped along through its self destruction so I don’t disbelieve it.

    As I’ve said elsewhere, no organisation is going to be completely free from other people’s agendas. To me, it’s more important to assess the overall results. BLM won’t bring the nation down, it’s the nations response to BLM that will be the problem.

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    At the moment it’s corporate and private power that we should be most afraid of.


    I agree with that bit. How do you see a distinction between corporate and private ? or were you just gathering two terms together as one ?
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    At the moment it’s corporate and private power that we should be most afraid of.


    I agree with that bit. How do you see a distinction between corporate and private ? or were you just gathering two terms together as one ?
    I would delineate private power as that which is held individually outside of corporate power, although some people will have private power because of their corporate power such as Bezos or Gates. Private power would be those with inherited money, royalty, celebrities and so on.

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    I would delineate private power as that which is held individually outside of corporate power, although some people will have private power because of their corporate power such as Bezos or Gates. Private power would be those with inherited money, royalty, celebrities and so on.
    Yea, I see it as that too. Pretty plain and obvious when it's put like that but it quickly gets obscured and upended when the term privatisation, in regards to governmental policies and high finance lending clauses, is used to allow corporate asset grabbing from older asset holding structures with hard won regulatory practises.

    Global scale corporate asset stripping that has been 'hoovering' up the entire planet for 2 or 3 decades all goes under the name of privatisation, yet the gathering suction force of it is a so called communist state behaving like the world's largest corporation. It's even able to suck in Apple and Google without a burp.
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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?
    I suggest you do some digging of your own

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    Not that that actually applies to what we are talking about in this thread, which is jumping timelines. In the larger scheme of things, BLM is utterly unimportant. They always were just a Rich Man’s Trick. Same with Antifa, which has become something of a bugaboo in Right Wing Circles.

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    It's become something of a bugaboo for people supporting BLM!!

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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?
    Susan Rosenberg and several of the other BLM organizers came from the Weather Underground of the 1960’s - 70’s. Rosenberg’s Domestic Terrorism conviction was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office. She went about organizing for one of the various Soros Front outfits, Thousand Talents, which supervises BLM’s operations and fundraising. She and several others in the leadership claim to be “Trained Marxists”.

    Not that that actually applies to what we are talking about in this thread, which is jumping timelines. In the larger scheme of things, BLM is utterly unimportant. They always were just a Rich Man’s Trick. Same with Antifa, which has become something of a bugaboo in Right Wing Circles.

    It will take our friends on both the Left and Right some time to get that. Of course, anyone passingly familiar with the manipulation of the American media after the successful Putsch against JFK already knows this.
    THANK YOU! Loaded post connecting very significant dots giving the birds eye view above BLM.

    No matter the intentions we should never sell out to violent terrorists to get the job done.

    SUSAN ROSENBURG -  Activist who believes violence and terror is a means to an end.

    Joined the May 19th Communist Organization, which worked in support of the Black Liberation Army and its offshoots (including assistance in armored truck robberies), the Weather Underground and other revolutionary organizations.

    .  Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges.

    . Inarcerated in 1984 for domestic terror in U.S.

    .  Sentence commuted by Clinton 2001.

    2020 - Currently Vice Chair of THOUSAND CURRENTS.

    THOUSAND CURRENTS https://thousandcurrents.org/what-we-do/

    Organization overseeing grassroots movements e.g. Black Lives Matter, Climate Justice, etc.

    Quote https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...t-group-191037
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    The group was also the first American terrorist group entirely organized and led by women. Women picked the targets, made the bombs and implanted the devices. It was a new sisterhood of the bomb and the gun. “We lived in a country that loved violence,” one member said. “We had to meet it on its own terms.”

    The Weather Underground Organization—among the most notorious U.S. terrorist formations of the 1970s—has been the subject of documentaries, memoirs and countless academic studies. But May 19th is long forgotten. This is remarkable given the group’s string of violent and spectacular operations from 1979 to 1985: armed robberies that led to the murder of police officers and security guards, audacious prison breakouts and a bombing campaign that in addition to the U.S. Capitol targeted government buildings in Washington and New York.

    ..........

    Three central figures in May 19th illustrate this generational political trajectory: Judy Clark, Marilyn Buck and Susan Rosenberg. Clark was a classic “red diaper” baby, the daughter of high-level Communist Party, USA, functionaries in New York
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    Spade, there are some fundamental issues with your list. Maybe you could read this Wikipedia entry for an easy and succinct definition. Many of the things you think are actually the complete opposite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–r...tical_spectrum
    Left and Right are old terms and are no longer relevant. It's about power, and where it lies. The pertinent dichotomy is now:

    Centralisation vs. Decentralisation
    Not really because this only pertains to government power. At the moment it’s corporate and private power that we should be most afraid of.
    So let's make it easy for the corporations and have one govt for the entire world, eh? Only a few people to corrupt?

    The multitudes of people being paid off to support world govt don't realize that, once it's achieved, they will be eliminated for the sake of efficiency.

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    Jane, in a way you are also saying your opinion doesn't matter.

    When Bill Gates, one of the world's richest private / corporate individuals hands some bribe money to some quasi-public institution in Australia, has a long private chat with your prime minister Scott Morrison regarding the bribe money and how to spend it, and in return your PM hands back taxpayer's money x50 to one of Bill's private interest groups in the EU in the name of human depopulation development.... is it not called International Communism?

    Using private interests to enact future mandatory enforcement of MEDICAL TYRANNY via government spending / mandate. Do you not see the full picture here?

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    The Universe is asking you just one thing - Be you, and DO you. Your mission, whether you choose to accept it or not, is to unconditionally love and serve all beings and forms - even when they are being ignorant and arrogant assholes.

    I actually have this kind of experience: but to re-frame it: it’s not about being me, it’s about surrendering into Universes / God’s guidance. That is when miracles and good things do happen. Every time my ego starts to want things to happen, well: it might look like I get what I want, but pretty soon I feel bad and not happy after all.

    This is why I think doing the right thing is so hard! We actually cannot ourselves always know what is the right thing.

    In short, the best is to try to surrender to be guided by positive forces and hope all turns out well. And hope that the guiding forces are positive and want good things to happen. Which is somewhat subjective to be honest.

    Stay safe out there.
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    The media is supporting division and sensationalism, not BLM, BLM was just the movement that happened to gain momentum at the time. Most of the protests are peaceful. Most aspects of the movement are benign. But that doesn’t sell news stories so 💁🏻‍♀️
    ...
    Early supporters of BLM seemed like beautiful peaceful people, but the movement itself... I personally can't believe they just dropped Marxist training in at the last minute. Somehow I bet they had this lined up, ready to pull in innocent, well meaning people. I don't invest the same good faith into BLM the organisation as you do
    What’s the Marxist training you’re referring to?
    Susan Rosenberg and several of the other BLM organizers came from the Weather Underground of the 1960’s - 70’s. Rosenberg’s Domestic Terrorism conviction was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his last day in office. She went about organizing for one of the various Soros Front outfits, Thousand Talents, which supervises BLM’s operations and fundraising. She and several others in the leadership claim to be “Trained Marxists”.

    Not that that actually applies to what we are talking about in this thread, which is jumping timelines. In the larger scheme of things, BLM is utterly unimportant. They always were just a Rich Man’s Trick. Same with Antifa, which has become something of a bugaboo in Right Wing Circles.

    It will take our friends on both the Left and Right some time to get that. Of course, anyone passingly familiar with the manipulation of the American media after the successful Putsch against JFK already knows this.
    Unfamiliar with this connection but I suppose this is only a problem if you’re afraid of Marxism, I need to look further into this to understand the agenda of the Weather Underground group. I have vague recollections from a documentary or movie or something but it was along time ago.

    I’ve read through the agendas of the BLM and I don’t see any issue with them at face value. I’ve investigated the links with Soros and as a non American I don’t really care. I can’t confirm that he said what people said he said, but I’ve had a feeling for a while that the US would be helped along through its self destruction so I don’t disbelieve it.

    As I’ve said elsewhere, no organisation is going to be completely free from other people’s agendas. To me, it’s more important to assess the overall results. BLM won’t bring the nation down, it’s the nations response to BLM that will be the problem.
    Oh don’t be silly. The United States isn’t going to be destroyed. It’s too valuable to the Global Oligarchy to be destroyed.

    BLM and Antifa, like all modern Marxist Movements, are nothing but a Rich Man’s Trick. Sort of like a Take it to the Streets version of the Warren Commission Report. Any time you see the hand of Soros, you have to remember that Jacob Rothschild gave him his seed money back in 1971.

    These aren’t authentic grassroots movements, whether on the Left or the Right. There’s very Little that authentic about politics in the 21st Century, which is how the planet’s controllers want things.

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