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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Quote Posted by Catsquotl (here)
    If soul exists it is just a boundary. It defines an entity in time and space similarly to an ego defining an entity in a body on earth. Taking the idea of reincarnation and the so above so below paradigm it stands to reason that a soul even though bound by different laws than the ego will at some point die and be reborn again?

    Buddha said some questions when asked will only serve to confuse, because an answer even if it is valid has absolutely no significance to the actions we take.
    The belief in the existence of soul may yield a feeling of security. But that feeling is accessible through a Merida of other belief systems.

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    What if someone could demonstrate to you how far your electromagnetic field extends out from your body through dowsing?
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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

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    What if someone could demonstrate to you how far your electromagnetic field goes out from your body through dowsing?

    What do you propose that would prove?
    That I exists beyond my body? I agree to that allready. Does it prove soul exists? I do that too. What I am saying is that the existence of things does not mean it is mine or even that there is an I that has something to do with it. I will not even say that Brahaman is a self identified entity.

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

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    What if someone could demonstrate to you how far your electromagnetic field goes out from your body through dowsing?

    What do you propose that would prove?
    That I exists beyond my body? I agree to that allready. Does it prove soul exists? I do that too. What I am saying is that the existence of things does not mean it is mine or even that there is an I that has something to do with it. I will not even say that Brahaman is a self identified entity.

    Quote That I exists beyond my body? I agree to that allready.
    okay. Great. Thank you for clarifying.

    It is just that you said, I've had OOB's, Had conversations with myself from other timelines. I have seen some forms of here and now in deep meditation retreats. Experiences are just that. Experiences. Here one moment gone the next. There is nothing but fabrications of the mind that structure experiences into something meaningful.

    Who was saying What?

    If these experiences are just fabrications of the mind, what is the mind? Who is observing who?

    If I have a direct experience of my soul, if the I am is present and is witness to it, and I am consciously aware of it, how can that be a fabrication?
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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    The experience is real. The fact that you infer that it was happening to you, or exists as anything more than a memory is the fabrication. I'd say read the book I shared and do some prolonged vipassana retreats if you want a glimpse of what I mean. Truth isn't something I am capable of explaining.

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Quote Posted by Catsquotl (here)
    The experience is real. The fact that you infer that it was happening to you, or exists as anything more than a memory is the fabrication. I'd say read the book I shared and do some prolonged vipassana retreats if you want a glimpse of what I mean. Truth isn't something I am capable of explaining.
    Everything is happening simultaneously, which is why we are able to access our past and our future - it was the I am that I was referring to. The witness.

    Quote Truth isn't something I am capable of explaining.
    Fair enough.

    Quote I'd say read the book I shared and do some prolonged vipassana retreats if you want a glimpse of what I mean. Truth isn't something I am capable of explaining
    The Buddha once said that you will find my works in a thousand books. The book you shared is just one interpretation of the truth. The Buddha said, in 2000 years the essence of my teachings will be lost.

    I have a feeling that there are misunderstandings and misinterpretations around what I've said. You don't really know who I am at all so that is understandable. Maybe if we sat together and you could have a direct experience of who I am, you might have direct awareness around what I am.

    Edited to add: Just one more thing...we can have an individual or collective experience - an example of the two: the individual experience could be experienced as an OBE and a collective experience could be the morphic resonance that is felt around the world eg. The twin towers
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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    You could turn that last phrase around.
    Reading the book was not the take away from my suggestion. The prolonged vipassana practice however.

    That said. I have no problem with you. Just sharing my perspective to east sun's question.

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

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    The prolonged vipassana practice however.
    As I said above, you don't really know who I am...lets leave it at that...

    Quote Posted by Catsquotl (here)
    That said. I have no problem with you.
    That's good to hear.

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    As I said above, you don't really know who I am...lets leave it at that...

    What does this mean? Do you really know who I am?
    I know exactly who you are. Nothing can change the fact that you as You present yourself only exist in the fabrications of my mind. Likewise I exist only in the fabrications of your mind..


    And yet I dare to say we are the same..

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    - it was the I am that I was referring to. The witness.
    Curious. Who would you say the witness is?

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

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    - it was the I am that I was referring to. The witness.
    Curious. Who would you say the witness is?
    All the divine forces, the divine will.

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    - it was the I am that I was referring to. The witness.
    Curious. Who would you say the witness is?
    All the divine forces, the divine will.
    That's a bit abstract isn't it?
    But ok. Is it you? Is it your soul? Does your Soul equal/is it the same as divine will?
    Does Devine will have a self? Or is there something beyond.

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    I always believed in the existence of the soul.

    Once one night I woke up above my body I surely realized that I'm not just my physical body. I knew that before it too. Consciousness is nonlocal. That is what I ultimately am, consciousness. I am not this body, I am not this mind-ego. I only imagine myself to be this.

    These are the garments that I, the Self wear throughout lifetimes.
    I was never born and I will never die. Only the body dies with it's ideas about the residual self-image.

    The essence - the soul, with the accumulation of all of it's experiences will always remain. It has it's preferences and unique flavors too. One day it will merge with the Brahman and once again become one with the Creator. We are already the Creator, we just don't truly "get" it yet.

    That's the ultimate journey of the soul, and in terms of human time it takes eons. For the soul it doesn't matter, everything is just experience after all. Here on Earth it's all about the polarization of the soul, towards light or darkness. Or service to others vs. service to self. Here is where we make the choices that matter the most. Don't lose your soul, your Self.

    We were talking about the love that's gone so cold
    And the people who gain the world and lose their soul
    They don't know, they can't see, are you one of them?

    When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find
    Peace of mind is waiting there
    And the time will come when you see we're all one
    And life flows on within you and without you
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    These NDExperiences make a compelling case for me that a soul exists. i read these almost every night https://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Nobody can speak for everyone. The real question is:

    Are YOU a spirit?

    And if you are NOT, don't be afraid to say so.

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    Why could there not be reincarnation without soul?
    Then who would be reincarnating?
    The person who died would be reincarnated into the person being born, like being born
    again. Memories of the the previous person "live" in the new person.

    Don't ask me to explain how this process comes about, you would probably say through spirit, and that might be so, but not necessarily. There could be other explanations known to other beliefs.
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    Why could there not be reincarnation without soul?
    Then who would be reincarnating?
    It would be memories by a previous person in a "new" body.

    That does not mean that they had a soul or spirit or that god was part of the process.
    A question for you East Sun. How do you know when someone loves you? How do you know that you are loved?
    I don't know. I really do not know.
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Bernie Prior said.
    When you are on the way into this world its as though you have a shopping basket and you go and select a suitable personality, gender, parents, culture,
    and perhaps the memories of a past life --


    My thoughts.
    Not saying I believe him
    its not yours -- nothing belongs to what you are -- no subject no object --just life.
    Chris
    Ps nothing is personal -- no me. but that is non duality.
    Most get an ego to make it all seem real and personal.
    "Ego is Identification with the story of me"
    Thats a Dr David Hawkins quote.
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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Nobody can speak for everyone. The real question is:

    Are YOU a spirit?

    And if you are NOT, don't be afraid to say so.
    How would we know if we were spirit?
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Silent awareness -- no need of anything to define. It is.
    Interesting thread.
    Thanks
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    Default Re: Do we have a Spirit? Do we have a Soul? And where's the proof?

    Be still and know that I AM God.
    All the rest is intellect.
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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