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    Quote Why do we get bogged down in semantics/systems/ideas such as communism or capitalism when the universe is constantly evolving, the past no longer exists and the future is one of possibilities?

    Why not create a new model and a system outside anything that has been discussed before? Why not call it a new name? Could we look at having a new new world? Why not create a new model and a system, and a way of being that honours all beings and co-create a world that we all want to see?

    Everyone here agrees that we don't like the way that the world is currently heading and that there are things that we do want for ourselves and each other which still can be discussed.
    Truly, if we want heartfelt answers to the biggest issues of our lifetime, it is time to get creative.

    I fully and wholeheartedly agree, Constance.

    What I am attempting is to be bring back definitions to a common ground so we can have conversations where we are all on the same page. We cannot discuss if and until we are speaking of the same thing. Some definitions have been completely blocked of meaning by groups who have tried to own a topic, by defining words in an entirely new way, almost as if on purpose to make discussion impossible - only division and antipathy. Black's Law dictionary comes to mind, with its entirely different interpretations of common words like 'is' for example.

    The other thing is that none of this is an accident. I always remember the story of the tower of babel. How did they suddenly confuse their language so no one understood their neighbors? Maybe they didn't speak different tongues but suffered division by a subversive force that commandeered language and turned it into a weapon. It seems much more likely, and it would have seemed as though various factions were speaking different languages...just like it seems today. We use the same words but they have different meanings depending on the individual, this makes communication very difficult.

    When I look you in the eye, words are still important but your intent is written all over you. I can stay on track by intuition and union with spirit.

    When we converse over the internet we have only our words. They must be remain precise and free of dilution by opinion and sentiment, unless by unanimous consent.

    Otherwise our utterances are merely unintelligible grunting.

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    Here is a link to a lecture given by G. Edward Griffin on April 3, 1969. There is for my money no better lecturer alive today than he was, and is--even at his advanced age.

    The title is More Deadly Than War. He discusses the revolutionary process of Socialism on its march to Communism. What he described in 1969 and prior thereto is even more pertinent and compelling today. The totalitarian playbook of the communists has not changed. Time has passed, new actors have stepped on the stage, but the program has not changed. And that is bad for freedom-loving people everywhere.

    After providing many historically accurate and convincing details, the ultimate point he makes in 1969 is that the enemies are within the gates and time is short. In 1969 he says that "We are past the point of painless solutions." 51 years have passed since he gave this lecture. How painful will it be now? And for who?

    He describes the issues and suggests solutions.

    One hour and 14 minutes. Please do watch and understand.

    https://dogsareloyal1s.com/video/Mor...y_Than_War.mp4


    You were right, that video should be watched by everyone. It is very informative.

    But even Mr Marshall makes clear that the systems in place we call communist are not that at all, since communism cannot be implemented unless the whole world is involved and all its people.

    He makes clear that these states are socialist, not communist.

    Still, the video is a very important watch, especially for Americans.
    Not quite accurate. I watched it last night. He makes clear that it’s a communist tactic to label the actions, behaviours and agendas of their communist allies as ‘socialist’ as a way to hide their communist behaviours under the more benign guise of socialism. Socialism as the Trojan horse that makes communism appear palatable to the middle classes. Behind the socialist facade however, he’s warning that it’s very much the communists who are running the show and pulling the strings.

    The revolutionary process of socialism on its march to communism” as Satori already described it.

    To make the distinctions clearer

    Communism = the end goal.
    Socialism = the Trojan horse that pushes the communist agenda forward.
    Communists = those implementing the highly destructive and subversive plan of global enslavement.

    A very poignant warning, detailing some of the broader social engineering tactics that we’ve all witnessed erode the fabric of society since the time of it’s filming in 1969.

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    COMMUNISM = WEAR A MASK

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-siu-1.5650761

    Police taped off the parking lot of this Valu-Mart grocery store in Minden, Ont., Shortly after 8 a.m. Wednesday, police were called after a man allegedly refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a store employee. (CBC)

    Ontario's police watchdog is investigating after officers fatally shot a 73-year-old man in Haliburton County on Wednesday morning.

    The man had refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a grocery store employee before driving away, Ontario Provincial Police say.

    Police were called to a Valu-Mart in Minden, Ont., just after 8 a.m., OPP Sgt. Jason Folz said.

    Officers tried to stop the suspect's car, but they refrained "in the interest of public safety" before doing a follow-up investigation, Folz said.

    Ontario's Special Investigations Unit (SIU) said the man drove away, and an officer saw the car and started following it for a short while. Based on the licence plate, officers made their way to a home on Indian Point Road, the SIU said.
    2 officers fire guns, says SIU

    Outside the home there was an "interaction," and two police officers fired their guns, the SIU said.

    Folz said that after shots were fired, "additional resources" were brought to the area near Eagle Lake, by the village of Haliburton, about 215 kilometres northeast of Toronto.

    The man was shot and taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:47 a.m., the SIU said.

    Folz said the victim was from the Eagle Lake area.

    In a news release issued Thursday morning, the SIU said investigators had recovered a pistol and a semi-automatic rifle from the scene. The firearms of two police officers were also taken into evidence, the agency said.

    Investigators are continuing to search the scene Thursday, the SIU said, and also making attempts to locate the man's next of kin.

    A post-mortem examination is set to be conducted Friday morning. Four OPP officers have been designated witnesses to the shooting, and arrangements for interviews are underway, the SIU said.
    Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, says: 'If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day.' (CBC)

    People at the grocery store had concerns about the way the man was driving in the parking lot and on the highway, Folz said.

    Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, said she arrived for her shift at the grocery store shortly after the police were called.

    "When I got here everyone was talking about it," Frances said. "My coworkers were a little bit shaken up, yes."

    Frances was told that the man didn't want to wear a mask and she and other employees had to explain politely to other customers that an incident had happened earlier when they asked why the police were there.

    "I guess he just got angry and didn't want to. We couldn't really deal with that ourselves because it's really against the rules. So we had to call the police and everything," Frances said.
    OPP Sgt. Jason Folz could not confirm if the victim had a weapon.

    Frances said workers shouldn't have to enforce the mandatory mask policy issued by the Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit. The policy, "Use of Non-Medical Masks in Commercial Establishments," took effect on 12:01 am on Monday.

    It's causing chaos, she said.

    "If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day."

    Andrew Monkhouse says companies need to plan for difficult customers with clear policies and training for employees to help reduce tension. 5:26

    Lynda Easton, manager of the Valu-Mart in Minden, began to cry when asked about the incident on Wednesday.

    "I want to congratulate my staff for how they handled the situation. It was very challenging today. They are the heroes. I don't want to get emotional. They deserve the credit. That's all I want to say," Easton said.

    The SIU said four investigators and two forensic investigators have been assigned to the case.

    The unit is asking anyone with information to contact the lead investigator at 1-800-787-8529. The SIU is also urging people with any video evidence to upload it through the SIU website.

    Earlier on Wednesday, Ontario Provincial Police said they were investigating a "serious criminal matter" near Haliburton.
    A sign in the store explains the mandatory face mask policy. (CBC)

    On Twitter, the OPP had asked people to stay away from Indian Point Road near Eagle Lake but said there was no concern for public safety.

    An OPP official confirmed they had asked people to stay inside while looking for a male suspect in the Indian Point Road area.

    The SIU probes incidents involving the police that have resulted in serious injury, death or allegations of sexual assault.

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    Over 20 years ago, I used to live in one of the inner suburbs of Melbourne. The suburb is called Box Hill. Box Hill city was always considered to be one of the larger-sized middle class suburbs of Melbourne and of medium density in population.

    Melbourne has always considered to be a very multicultural city and I am very grateful for that. However, I went to visit Box Hill about 6 months ago and I was surprised. I could have been in any modern asian city! The landscape of the city of Box Hill had altered so dramatically with new tramways and infrastructure and brand new high rises everywhere that I almost didn't recognise it!
    All the shops signs were written in Chinese. Of the shops I visited, none of the staff spoke english. It was now a very highly affluent city filled with Chinese people living and working there. I didn't see any other cultures frequenting the stores or the streets, or coming out of homes.
    There has always been a trend in Melbourne for immigrants to settle in certain pockets but these are usually in the outer suburbs where it is more affordable to live, more sprawling and the population is still very mixed in its culture.

    This blew my mind. I'm now starting to find things like this every where I look. The signs have been there for a long time.


    ‘It’s a police station honouring a police state’: Outrage as Melbourne cop shop raises Chinese Communist flag
    Victoria Police have been accused of “honouring a police state” by flying the flag of the Chinese Communist regime on its 70th birthday.

    Box Hill station in the city’s east raised the flag on October 1 in honour of the National Day of the People’s Republic of China and to mark the beginning of the Whitehorse Chinese New Year Festival.

    As many as 45 million people died in four years under Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, making him the greatest mass murderer in world history. The Box Hill event was attended by the mayor, state and federal ministers and local business representatives.

    “The flag-raising ceremony honours the local police station’s strong relationship with the local Chinese community, retailers and local business stakeholders,” a Victoria Police spokeswoman said in a statement.

    “Box Hill Police Station acknowledges the significance of this flag to a particular portion of the community without seeking to cause prejudice or offence to others. Box Hill police work closely with their local community and the raising of the flag, for one day, represents the commitment Box Hill police has in acknowledging what is an important day for many in their local area.”

    She added, “Victoria Police acknowledges the concerns about the use of the flag by some people within the community, and the station will continue to assess the appropriateness of raising any flag at the police station.”

    Box Hill resident Keith Wilkins told local newspaper the Whitehorse Leader “people are feeling quite uncomfortable” about the flag flying over the police station. “I’m not sure that’s appropriate,” he told the paper.

    3AW radio host Neil Mitchell slammed the move on Wednesday, saying it was “a bad look”. “It’s a police station honouring a police state,” he said.

    The flag-raising ceremony came as Hong Kong police shot an 18-year-old student in the chest at close range in a disturbing escalation of months of street violence between authorities and pro-democracy protesters opposed to China’s growing political influence.

    Last month, Foreign Minister Marise Payne described drone footage showing hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men being transferred to camps in China’s largely Uighur Muslim northwest Xinjiang region as “deeply disturbing”.

    City of Whitehorse councillor Blair Barker told 3AW he found the flag-raising “problematic”. “We’re a very diverse community out here, people with Taiwanese heritage, Uighurs, Tibetans, they’ve all got very legitimate concerns about the Communist government flag flying over a police station,” he said.

    “My concern is that we’re seen to be promoting a regime that doesn’t support the democratic values and principles such as the rule of law, and people might associate our police service with the way the police services in that regime conduct themselves.”

    Cr Barker said a lot of people “have probably been pretty concerned about seeing the way the Beijing-backed police in Hong Kong have been pretty brutal with democracy protesters over there”.

    “I’d encourage (police) to be a bit more judicious about the sort of flags they try to fly,” he said. “I’m sure it was a symbolic gesture to show that, yes, it’s a very multicultural place and we welcome all people. Chinese people are beautiful like all people, but it’s people’s concern with that foreign regime that matters.”

    Cr Barker said the same issue came up last year when the Chinese flag was flown over Box Hill Town Hall. He pushed for a ban on flying flags of other nations unless approved by a council vote, but the motion was voted down.

    Box Hill has one of the highest concentrations of Chinese-born residents anywhere in the country at 27.6 per cent, as of the 2016 census.

    Malaysia was the third most common country of birth after Australia and China on 4.8 per cent, followed by India on 4.2 per cent, Hong Kong on 3 per cent and South Korea on 1.7 per cent.

    Last year, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews was heavily criticised for breaking with the Federal Government to do a deal directly with the Chinese regime, signing the state up for President Xi Jinping’s controversial Belt and Road Initiative.

    frank.chung@news.com.au

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    This is completely out of topic, but i just want to say that the beautiful way you described it made me try to turn to the next page, so i could see what happened next... But there was no book or page to turn :/


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    Has anyone here actually lived through or known anyone who has experienced communism?
    Yep. I personally know people who have lived through it. I've been regailed with horrific stories regarding imprisonment, rape, torture and abuse. Not a whole bunch of creativity going on there, just a whole bunch of suffering.
    Interesting. My ex partner is Lithuanian which was part of the USSR. He has a very different impression. I imagine that people have an entire range of experiences under various types of rule. My point is, we shouldn’t be generalising or taking our cues from popular culture.
    A good friend of mine grew up in Hungary. She says Communism was dull, but everybody had a job, a roof over their heads and many had a summer place out in the country.

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    Has anyone here actually lived through or known anyone who has experienced communism?
    Yep. I personally know people who have lived through it. I've been regailed with horrific stories regarding imprisonment, rape, torture and abuse. Not a whole bunch of creativity going on there, just a whole bunch of suffering.
    Sounds like an American prison.
    I can't comment on that because the only person I know from the USA who has done time (he was convicted of marijuana trafficking and possession) I lost contact with.

    But no, it was Vietnam. In Australia, they were called, the "Boat people".

    In 1989 when I visited Czechoslovakia, communism was just in the throws of being dismantled. These were my impressions and personal experiences whilst there.

    Upon my first arriving by train into Prague, it was eerie standing on the platform. It wasn't like any other train platform that I had visited, not the usual hub bub my travelling eyes and ears were used to. It was hushed and quiet, even though it was busy. The atmosphere felt heavy and depressed. I felt like I had suddenly stepped into the twilight zone.

    As soon as we had started to walk towards the exit, myself and others were surrounded by the local Czechs. All held up crudely written signs in english inviting us to stay with them. There was one woman in particular that caught my attention. She was a tiny slip of a woman. She was so eager to have us stay and pulled at my sleeve gently, her english non-existent. But we understood each other. She looked so ill and tired and worn out. My heart went out to her.

    The person I was travelling with agreed with me that we should stay with her, and so we followed her. At one point, we were walking down one of the Old Town streets. Again I was struck by how busy it was on both sides of the street but how quiet it was! When we finally got to the womans house at the edge of the city, she warmly invited us in.

    Her apartment was tiny and sparsely furnished. The furniture also looked tired and worn out. She was living in abject poverty. She showed us to our bedroom and we placed our things in there.
    I soon realised that this was the only bedroom in the house and when she showed us the kitchen, there was a tiny cot in the corner of that tiny kitchen. That tiny cot was to be her bed whilst we stayed there.
    I was resolved not to take her bedroom from her and I signalled to her that we would sleep in the kitchen on the floor (we were equipped for that) but she was having none of it. We both felt terribly guilty about sleeping in her bedroom but what to do? She needed the money...

    When my friend and I went out the next day on a food expedition, we were struck by the odd juxtaposition of the Old Town Prague in all its ancient beauty and the newer communist-built blocks of buildings alongside.

    The Old Town buildings had been spared of any war time bombings. They were beautifully handcrafted, slightly worse for wear, but solidly built. The newer buildings on the outside perimeter of the Old Town were a sharp contrast; ugly, grey and uniform. There were rows upon rows of the same buildings stretching as far as the eyes could see.

    We entered a few stores looking for food. I was surprised to see how little was available in the way of fresh produce. Not much in there for a vegetarian! There were cabbages and potatoes and that was it.

    There was not a supermarket in sight. Instead, you would walk into a store where rows of cans of food were displayed in a long glass cabinet behind the serving counter and you had to line up and point to what cans you wanted. It all felt completely surreal. The walls and floors were void of any kind of decorations and the atmosphere was very depressing.
    Tired

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    This is completely out of topic, but i just want to say that the beautiful way you described it made me try to turn to the next page, so i could see what happened next... But there was no book or page to turn :/

    Why Sasha Alisa. Thank you Here is a little more, something a bit brighter.

    There was one day when my friend and I were walking down the road that leads to the Charles Bridge. It was a cold, crisp day but the sky was blue and we were keen to explore the town. As we were approaching the bridge that spans the Vltava river, I felt as if I had stepped into a magnificent watercolour painting. I was overcome by the sheer beauty of what surrounded me.
    On a whim, my friend hoisted me up upon his shoulders so that I could see all the better. I was ecstatic! I felt like a young child again. And as I viewed the scenery, perched up high, I found myself lost in the moment, in a state of forgetfulness and reverie. It was one of the best moments of my life.

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    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
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    Quote Posted by Justjane (here)
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    Has anyone here actually lived through or known anyone who has experienced communism?
    Yep. I personally know people who have lived through it. I've been regailed with horrific stories regarding imprisonment, rape, torture and abuse. Not a whole bunch of creativity going on there, just a whole bunch of suffering.
    Interesting. My ex partner is Lithuanian which was part of the USSR. He has a very different impression. I imagine that people have an entire range of experiences under various types of rule. My point is, we shouldn’t be generalising or taking our cues from popular culture.
    A good friend of mine grew up in Hungary. She says Communism was dull, but everybody had a job, a roof over their heads and many had a summer place out in the country.

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    Has anyone here actually lived through or known anyone who has experienced communism?
    Yep. I personally know people who have lived through it. I've been regailed with horrific stories regarding imprisonment, rape, torture and abuse. Not a whole bunch of creativity going on there, just a whole bunch of suffering.
    Sounds like an American prison.
    I can't comment on that because the only person I know from the USA who has done time (he was convicted of marijuana trafficking and possession) I lost contact with.

    But no, it was Vietnam. In Australia, they were called, the "Boat people".

    In 1989 when I visited Czechoslovakia, communism was just in the throws of being dismantled. These were my impressions and personal experiences whilst there.

    Upon my first arriving by train into Prague, it was eerie standing on the platform. It wasn't like any other train platform that I had visited, not the usual hub bub my travelling eyes and ears were used to. It was hushed and quiet, even though it was busy. The atmosphere felt heavy and depressed. I felt like I had suddenly stepped into the twilight zone.

    As soon as we had started to walk towards the exit, myself and others were surrounded by the local Czechs. All held up crudely written signs in english inviting us to stay with them. There was one woman in particular that caught my attention. She was a tiny slip of a woman. She was so eager to have us stay and pulled at my sleeve gently, her english non-existent. But we understood each other. She looked so ill and tired and worn out. My heart went out to her.

    The person I was travelling with agreed with me that we should stay with her, and so we followed her. At one point, we were walking down one of the Old Town streets. Again I was struck by how busy it was on both sides of the street but how quiet it was! When we finally got to the womans house at the edge of the city, she warmly invited us in.

    Her apartment was tiny and sparsely furnished. The furniture also looked tired and worn out. She was living in abject poverty. She showed us to our bedroom and we placed our things in there.
    I soon realised that this was the only bedroom in the house and when she showed us the kitchen, there was a tiny cot in the corner of that tiny kitchen. That tiny cot was to be her bed whilst we stayed there.
    I was resolved not to take her bedroom from her and I signalled to her that we would sleep in the kitchen on the floor (we were equipped for that) but she was having none of it. We both felt terribly guilty about sleeping in her bedroom but what to do? She needed the money...

    When my friend and I went out the next day on a food expedition, we were struck by the odd juxtaposition of the Old Town Prague in all its ancient beauty and the newer communist-built blocks of buildings alongside.

    The Old Town buildings had been spared of any war time bombings. They were beautifully handcrafted, slightly worse for wear, but solidly built. The newer buildings on the outside perimeter of the Old Town were a sharp contrast; ugly, grey and uniform. There were rows upon rows of the same buildings stretching as far as the eyes could see.

    We entered a few stores looking for food. I was surprised to see how little was available in the way of fresh produce. Not much in there for a vegetarian! There were cabbages and potatoes and that was it.

    There was not a supermarket in sight. Instead, you would walk into a store where rows of cans of food were displayed in a long glass cabinet behind the serving counter and you had to line up and point to what cans you wanted. It all felt completely surreal. The walls and floors were void of any kind of decorations and the atmosphere was very depressing.

    Hi Constance 🌸🌸🌸

    I felt similar there in Prague growing up as teenager before 1989( I was 16 back then).
    Prague is beautiful and magical and has lots of hidden mysteries and quiet spiritual corners even while the connection was disrupted in recent decades due to constant influx of tourists from all around the globe though Chinese tourists seem to be in majority.

    1989 was difficult year in particular since the Velvet Revolution was on plan for years and atmosphere turned intense once the motion was implored, by students of my age and older, artists and intellectuals and whoever cared to join in.

    I had my deeper inner views and spiritual search and was actually taken sick before it all started to move so I suffered quietly out of the school and away from the crowds.

    It could have happened in 1969 already but the Russians fearing it would break their pact invaded us instead and imposed harder sanctions and tougher controls on the government so even while as a kid I grew up in “safe heaven” I was aware of the darkness. So I’ve also always sought for the Light.

    There wasn’t that much “poverty” as was shown to you during that brief visit. The people who offered to take you in were not allowed to do that, by laws running back then. Most probably the woman who took you in and the rest of them too were “social cases”, they exist now too of course.

    Unless they were straight “planted agents” but that’s a joke.

    Most people lived in abundance in so called Czech Republic compared to Eastern Germany, Poland, Romania or Russia.

    There was notorious absence of certain products in certain times of the year, before Christmas for example when people queued to get exotic and dry fruits, for example.

    Yes supermarkets were smaller than today but they were all stuffed and there were more small stores around the street than you’ve noticed. Yes they used to close on weekends to discharm of visitors
    The situation around the Old Town Square was paradoxical, quite as you describe it,
    the only supermarket around did not have much.
    It’s quite possible that people bought out food stuff in 1989 in fear of greater crisis but actually, usually ..the availability was like the one in your average Canadian or French small town, to compare it to somewhere else.

    Germans from both East and West would come for weekends to drink bear and eat themselves to death because it was so cheap.
    Food was much cheaper than nowadays of course but nowadays there is also no difference in availability.

    There were not many very rich people like in the US but there wasn’t scarcity either.


    Every country has “social case” class of people, hiding under various disguises. Even now there’s probably good few thousand “just vagabonds” of all origins living in Prague as homeless,
    people who lost it at some point of their life and carrier or run away from somewhere else, hopeless alcoholics who ask for money only to buy another bottle.
    Of course they’re not “in norm” but there’s certainly far fewer of them than say, in San Francisco .


    Things then moved on so fast that it’s difficult to imagine for many people because everyone still held to the heritage of their grandparents generations,
    the arts, philosophies, crafts and skills, plots of land , castles in the countryside

    But it happened too fast before the older generation could make any good sense of it , the big economic bargain and challenge took over the speed followed by new generation of students who all speak English and are on their computers for 20 hours a day, the business took over the rooftops so to say,
    the new dream of old freedom emerged only to be immediately challenged.

    Future is in the hands of young people of today ..

    what cheers me up on sight is when I see some of the old, depressed generation of our parents and grandparents enjoy their lives nowadays,
    dressed up well as they once used to, carry themselves with dignity and browse on their tablets between shoppings.

    The market is overwhelmed by products these days and seniors always have poor pensions, around the globe you know so they always complain a bit but practically, they aren’t in any worse situation than any other senior in Europe.


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    This video is well worth a watch. What this soul is sharing is now unfolding worldwide, in real time. This is why we need to stop what we are doing and redirect all our energies to the ultimate answer. Please see my Draw your sword, it's time to get real thread for inspiration.

    I cannot confirm this, but apparently, someone hacked into WHO and lifted this article.
    Whether this document is real or not, it rings true to me.

    #5 is of particular interest. You will understand why I find this so relevant once you have watched the video.

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    Communism is a nineteenth-century political theory that stems from earlier views of society and borrows elements from much of human history. It was reaction to abusive behavior of capitalists towards laborers, including children, and later imperialist policies of various countries. In terms of ideological control, it also attacked families, public education, and religion as these were used as extensions of capitalist power.

    It's not so much the opposite of capitalism, which is an economic system that involves using surplus earnings to increase production, but a reaction to one aspect of the latter, which is control of the means of production by a few.

    In time, various countries incorporated principles from communism, including state regulation and public corporations, leading to mixed economies. Capitalists also needed the state to legitimize private property, to ensure the use of fiat currencies, and so on.

    But the point raised by the latter Marx, that everything ultimately has an economic base, has come true, which is why the global economy itself is essentially controlled by only a few corporations:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article...uns-the-world/

    and why many governments essentially work for the rich and not for the people. If they ever work for the latter, they do so only to appease them, but it's the rich who are prioritized, as one never bites the hand that feeds him.

    This is explicitly shown in the U.S., which is the dominant capitalist economy in the world. Wall Street controls its economy (from media to food production and processing to arms production) and funds the government, both political parties, the defense industry and the military (what Eisenhower called "the military industrial complex"), businesses, and consumers. In return, the government has throughout several administrations promoted Reaganomics, which calls for deregulation (to allow the rich to engage in financial speculation) plus the use of foreign policies plus the government to influence, coerce, destabilize, and attack other countries to ensure access to cheap labor and natural resources (such as oil) plus to protect the petrodollar. All of the costs are passed on to the public. Even bailouts given the rich (usually interest-free and with no obligation to pay) are passed on to the same.

    In many ways, what Marx said has taken place: "The executive of the modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie." The public is not aware of that as it fights for one political party over another (both funded by the rich in campaigns and from which they gain through lobbying and other means) while engaging in mass entertainment (served by the rich) and being exposed to numerous ads and marketing for goods and services (involving businesses that are ultimately funded by the rich).

    Finally, what makes matters worse is that the same economic base might not last given a combination of limits to growth plus significant ecological damage.

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    More push back.

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    Communism is neither a trend of thought, nor a doctrine, nor a failed attempt at a new way of ordering human affairs. Instead, it should be understood as a devil — an evil specter forged by hate, degeneracy, and other elemental forces in the universe.

    THOUGH THE COMMUNIST REGIMES of Eastern Europe have disintegrated, the specter of communism has not disappeared. On the contrary, this evil specter is already ruling our world, and humanity must not harbor a mistaken sense of optimism. Communist China has replaced the Soviet Union as the primary threat to the free world, building up its strength in a bid for global hegemony. Europe embraces socialism, and Africa and Latin America are enveloped in communist influence. Even the United States — the leader of the free world — has fallen prey to communism and its variants. This is the startling reality humankind faces.

    HOW THE SPECTER OF COMMUNISM IS RULING OUR WORLD is a must-read for every freedom-loving individual. The book reveals the ways in which the communist specter has burrowed into the minds of today’s people. It charts communism’s global advance and explains how this specter has embedded itself in nearly every facet of today’s society — from education to the judicial system — and the path humanity must take to escape its grip.

    Table of Contents

    Introduction
    1. Communism: A Devil Bent on the Destruction of Humanity
    2. The Devil’s Ways and Means
    3. Communism: The Devil’s Ideology
    4. A Metaphysical Understanding of the Devil
    5. The Devil’s Many Faces
    6. Socialism: The Preliminary Stage of Communism
    7. Romantic Notions About Communism
    8. The Destruction of Culture and Morality
    9. Returning to the Divine and Tradition

    Chapter One: The Specter’s Strategies for Destroying Humanity
    1. The Corruption of Human Thought
    2. The Subversion of Traditional Culture
    3. Communism in the East and the West
    4. The Breakdown of Society
    5. The Divide-and-Conquer Strategy
    6. Deception and Defense

    Chapter Two: Communism’s European Beginnings
    1. Karl Marx’s Satanic Works
    2. Marxism’s Historical Context
    3. The French Revolution
    4. Communism’s Debut in Paris
    5. First Europe, Then the World

    Chapter Three: Tyranny in the East
    1. The Rise of Totalitarian Communism
    2. The Brutality of Communist Rule
    3. A Century of Killing

    Chapter Four: Exporting Revolution
    1. Exporting Revolution to Asia
    2. Exporting Revolution to Latin America and Africa
    3. Socialism in Eastern Europe
    4. Communism After the Cold War

    Chapter Five, Part I: Infiltrating the West
    1. Communism via Violence and Nonviolence
    2. War of Espionage and Disinformation
    3. From the New Deal to Progressivism
    4. The Cultural Revolution of the West
    5. The Anti-War and Civil Rights Movements

    Chapter Five, Part II: Infiltrating the West
    6. The American Marxist
    7. The Long March Through the Institutions
    8. Political Correctness
    9. Socialism Across Europe
    10. Falling for the Devil’s Tricks

    Chapter Six: The Revolt Against God
    1. In the East: A Violent Revolt Against God
    2. In the West: Infiltrating and Weakening the Church
    3. Communism’s Twisted Theology
    4. Religious Chaos

    Chapter Seven, Part I: The Destruction of the Family
    1. Communism’s Aim to Abolish the Traditional Family
    2. Communism’s Promotion of Promiscuity
    3. Early Attempts at Sexual Liberation Under Communism
    4. How Communism Destroys Families in the West

    Chapter Seven, Part II: The Destruction of the Family
    4. How Communism Destroys Families in the West (continued)
    5. How the Chinese Communist Party Destroys Families
    6. The Consequences of Communism’s Assault on the Family

    Chapter Eight, Part I: How Communism Sows Chaos in Politics
    1. Communism: The Politics of Humanity’s Destruction
    2. Bringing Government Under Leftist Control
    3. Hatred and Struggle: The Invariable Course of Communist Politics

    Chapter Eight, Part II: How Communism Sows Chaos in Politics
    4. Politics Through Violence and Lies
    5. The Road to Totalitarianism
    6. Communism’s Threat to Basic Values

    Chapter Nine, Part I: The Communist Economic Trap
    1. State Ownership and Planned Economies: Systems of Slavery
    2. Western Countries: Practicing Communism by Another Name

    Chapter Nine, Part II: The Communist Economic Trap
    3. The Dystopian Socialism of the Chinese Communist Party
    4. The Ravages of Socialism in the Developing World
    5. Marx’s Theory of Exploitation: An Inversion of Good and Evil
    6. Hatred and Jealousy: The Origin of Absolute Egalitarianism
    7. Communist ‘Ideals’: Tempting Man Toward His Own Destruction
    8. Morality, Prosperity, and Peace

    Chapter Ten: Corrupting the Legal System
    1. Law and Faith
    2. Law Under Communist Tyrannies
    3. How Communism Warps the Law in the West
    4. Restoring the Spirit of the Law

    Chapter Eleven: Desecrating the Arts
    1. Art: A Gift From the Divine
    2. Art’s Immense Influence on Humanity
    3. Communism’s Sabotage and Abuse of Art
    4. Reviving True Art

    Chapter Twelve, Part I: Sabotaging Education
    1. Communist Elements in Primary and Secondary Education

    Chapter Twelve, Part II: Sabotaging Education
    2. Communism in Western Universities
    3. How Communism Destroyed Education in China
    4. Returning to Traditional Education

    Chapter Thirteen: The Media — The Specter’s Mouthpiece
    1. Mass Indoctrination in Communist Countries
    2. Communist Infiltration of Western Media and Hollywood
    3. Left-Wing Bias Among Media Professionals
    4. The Media Takeover by Liberalism and Progressivism
    5. The Film Industry: Vanguard Against Tradition
    6. Television: Corruption in Every Household
    7. The Media: A Key Battleground in a Total War
    8. Restoring the Integrity of the ‘Fourth Branch’

    Chapter Fourteen: Popular Culture – A Decadent Indulgence
    1. Communist Party Culture
    2. Communism’s Subversion of Western Mass Culture
    3. Pop Culture and Social Chaos
    4. Recovering the Moral Foundations of Human Culture

    Chapter Fifteen: The Communist Roots of Terrorism
    1. Terrorism and Communist Revolution
    2. How Communist Regimes Export Terror
    3. The Communist Origins of Islamic Extremism
    4. The Chinese Communist Party’s Support of Terrorism
    5. The Convergence of Terrorism and the West’s Radical Left
    6. Ending the Fundamental Cause of Terrorism

    Chapter Sixteen, Part I: The Communism Behind Environmentalism
    1. Communism and the Environmental Movement
    2. Climate Change

    Chapter Sixteen, Part II: The Communism Behind Environmentalism
    2. Climate Change (continued)
    3. Communist Environmentalism
    4. Finding a True Solution to the Environmental Crisis

    Chapter Seventeen: Globalization and Communism
    1. Globalism and Communism
    2. Economic Globalization
    3. Political Globalization
    4. Cultural Globalization: A Means of Corrupting Humanity
    5. Upholding National Heritage and Universal Values

    Chapter Eighteen, Part I: The Chinese Communist Party’s Global Ambitions
    1. The Chinese Communist Party’s Ambition to Dominate the World
    2. Communist China’s Strategies for World Domination

    Chapter Eighteen, Part II: The Chinese Communist Party’s Global Ambitions
    3. Unrestricted Warfare With Chinese Communist Characteristics
    4. The Communist ‘China Model’
    5. Lessons Learned and the Way Out

    Conclusion: How the Specter of Communism Is Ruling Our World

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    The book, How The Specter of Communism is Ruling Our World, can be read online here. (Up to Chapter Nine)

    https://www.thespecterofcommunism.com

    And audiobook links can be found here.

    https://www.thespecterofcommunism.com/en/audiobook/ (Up to Chapter 16)

    It looks like it's been translated in other languages, too.
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    Quote Posted by edina (here)

    And audiobook links can be found here.

    https://www.thespecterofcommunism.com/en/audiobook/ (Up to Chapter 16)

    Chapter 14 is missing from that list. I found the same series on podbay but with the first few chapters missing. It includes 14 and has a couple more later ones and 2 updated versions of earlier chapters. I can't find part 1 of chapter 18 at either location though.

    https://podbay.fm/p/how-the-specter-...ling-our-world


    I've put the series in my favorites list so I should get notifications if more files are added.

    (I'm very impressed with podbay, by the way, it's the tool I've been looking for for years. Not perfect but very much my kind of concept and what I would have created myself if I was a coder geek)
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    Thanks norm, I was just looking for Episode 14.
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    I just finished listening to this video (from The unknown soldier 7-17-20) this morning, saw this thread on communism, and thought maybe it would be a good fit.

    Jordan speaks slow enough that one could listen to the video at 2x normal speed and still understand his lecture.

    Particularly notable was how the “deep state,” Illuminati, et al., have used the symbolism of sun worship, ancient symbols representing communism ideology, and phrases like, “Dawn of a New Day,” to “trick” us to believe some “leader” was going to be “the one” for the planet, and for us.

    Jordan Maxwell-Order out of chaos

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    He repeats over and over again to the point where we scream, were not deaf, enough already.
    Do you not have anything to say besides that.

    We heard it before>>>>>
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    He repeats over and over again to the point where we scream, were not deaf, enough already.
    Do you not have anything to say besides that.

    We heard it before>>>>>
    Seriously?? The forum is a reading venue for the public as much as it is for members.  I think it is a tad rude to expect members to know the preferences of members and then tailor their posts to please them.

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    Cross posting.
    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    It is about destroying the legacy of manhood.
    I'd say there are multiple attacks, undermining masculinity is just one of them; destroying the "Family unit" and "individuality" are TWO of the 10 planks of communism.


    A lot of what I see today seems to be at least strangely parallel if not seemingly direct continuation of this fight between our Republic and the concept of Communism (in one of its forms).

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    I think I know something that is ahead of time and difficult to say but I seem to agree with Cyrus A Parsa that communism was initiated by the “grey alliance” through 20th century, perhaps we don’t understand fully how it all fits together yet.

    If “communism” had a typical picture to it, it’s covered in grey vapour, I swear. The men in grey suits and workers in blue uniforms, dusty roads, mines and dams and workers barracks and smoking factories. The bad smell of boots and cigarettes and rough chatter of people who were taught to read and write and sent to work.
    Colonies. They seem to exist in every country all around the world.
    They’ve evolved their own intel following Hollywood blockbusters.

    Some have evolved to culture centres and large meeting halls replacing temples for that purpose.
    There’s no “philosophy allowed”. Everything needs to be quite simple.

    They’re formidable places, full of dust and smog blowing to your face but “they” don’t mind.

    Actually, I have considered the option now that they aren’t completely malevolent but trying to work alongside with the ones “we” don’t take care of too much.
    They pick the poor dears with amnesia who wouldn’t make it otherwise. They pick even uneven characters and alcoholics and give them a life option.

    It’s a tough mission altogether with little progress made

    Perhaps ours (and theirs) only option is evolution leap and we will jump out of it all at once. Perhaps it’s like Kim Jong Un who finally learns to cry
    and the last of his uniformed subjects can wipe their tears off.

    Once the evolution leap happens they can go home and we can grow up.


    Perhaps “we”( as in humanity) will discover ourselves again, our love for culture, nature and arts namely
    and stop loving crude oil, money and machines the most instead.

    Perhaps beautiful tastes will remain beautiful and no one will need so much chemicals in their foods.

    Perhaps many people will stop feeling so lowly about themselves and each other and drowning in the dust of civilisation and its depression

    lift their heads from the ground and look at the Stars again.


    I’m not saying it will change much or that there aren’t other advanced civilisations to talk to, vice versa.
    But it seems to me that “we both” are co-suffering here for a reason
    and only miracle will help.

    ( well since Mr Grey does not understand humour let’s suggest it’s not as pessimistic out of the grey mist).


    The confrontation and competition between “us and them” in itself is unhealthy.

    The grounds they’ve created are artificial, not natural.

    But I completely believe we can do better without it. Let’s presume they too feel awful about us and want to go home ...

    🛸

    We are so different but I can empathise

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    https://www.theepochtimes.com/navarr...g-2020-10-30-4

    Quote Navarro Says ‘Arc of Toughness’ on China to Continue Under a Second Trump Administration

    Oct 30, 2020

    President Donald Trump, if re-elected, will continue to take tough actions to counter threats posed by the Chinese Communist Party, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said.

    No president has ever stood up to the Chinese regime like Trump, Navarro said, citing a range of measures such as U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods, sanctions on Chinese tech giant Huawei, as well as sanctions to penalize Beijing’s erosion of freedoms in Hong Kong and military aggression in the South China Sea.

    “In a second term, you can certainly expect that the arc of toughness on China will continue,” he said in an interview with The Epoch Times’ “American Thought Leaders.”

    “This is a president that has taken a very firm line in the sand with China, and will continue to do  so.”

    His comments come days before the presidential election. Both Trump and Democratic Party candidate Joe Biden have made getting tough on China a campaign platform.

    Navarro said that his one “regret” during the campaign was that “we were unable to punch through the mainstream media to raise awareness among the American people t hat this virus did indeed come from the Chinese Communist Party, and they’re killing Americans.”

    “There should be more outrage than there is. This issue should be more relevant at the ballot box,” he added.

    The Trump administration has repeatedly criticized the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) for its coverup of the initial outbreak in Wuhan city, causing the global spread of COVID-19.

    Since early this year, the administration has confronted the CCP on a range of issues, including espionage, malign influence in the United States, security threats posed by Chinese technology, human rights abuses in Xinjiang and Hong Kong, and its intimidation of Taiwan.

    Navarro said the administration has been working on stemming the flow of American capital to the CCP, particularly its military. In May, the administration blocked investments by Thrift Savings Plan (TSP)—the main pension fund for federal government employees, including U.S. military personnel—into Chinese equities.

    Before this move, the TSP was set to invest in an index run by MSCI that includes China-based stocks of companies affiliated with the Chinese military or involved in the mass surveillance of Chinese citizens. For instance, the index includes Hong Kong-listed AviChina Industry & Technology, the listing company for Chinese state-owned defense company Aviation Industry Corp. of China (AVIC). The firm and its subsidiaries develop aircraft and weapons systems for the Chinese military.

    “An American pension fund that allows its dollars to go into AVIC, which is China’s Boeing equivalent, t hat makes all the missiles that sink American aircraft carriers—I mean, that’s just flat out crazy,” Navarro said. “Particularly if they’re pensions of former military officials. That kind of stuff’s got to stop.”

    In response to a question about Wall Street’s continuing ramp-up of investments in China, Navarro described Wall Street as “writ large a sociopath.”

    “They have no morals or patriotism. It’s all about the money.”

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    Exclusive: Peter Navarro — Hollywood and NBA ‘Useful Idiots’ for Chinese Communist Party

    BY JACK PHILLIPS AND JAN JEKIELEK
    October 30, 2020

    Trump administration adviser and economist Peter Navarro on Friday stated that NBA athletes and Hollywood celebrities are “useful idiots” of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), suggesting the Democrats are unwittingly playing into the hands of the Chinese regime.

    Navarro, while saying that he will “never ever watch an NBA game again,” told The Epoch Times’ “American Thought Leaders” that athletes are reticent to speak out about the Chinese regime because they are beholden to its interests.

    They shut up and dribble when they’re over in China,” he said but added that there are “sweatshops in China” that “make sneakers for their stars” and “sell [them] back to American kids.”

    His comments came as the NBA season wrapped up several weeks ago, with the Los Angeles Lakers winning another championship. However, ratings for the NBA Finals hit record lows, and polls have suggested that NBA players’ pro-Black Lives Matter and left-leaning political rhetoric is partially to blame.

    Navarro argued that NBA players “really turn an unconscionable blind eye to the abuses in Xinjiang Province,” rights abuses in Hong Kong, and “concentration camps” as well as the “abuses of the Falun Gong with the organ harvesting” of living people. He’s referring to the traditional Chinese meditation practice that has been subject to CCP persecution since 1999.

    “These NBA players, not only do they ignore that, but then they have the temerity to get on their soapbox and sound self-righteous about what they see as a repressive America,” he said, referring to the Black Lives Matter protests.

    But “the bigger problem,” Navarro argued, “is they feed this narrative that somehow China’s authoritarian government and socialist-communist economic system is superior to ours.”

    NBA and Lakers superstar LeBron James came under fire last year for criticizing Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey after he supported anti-CCP protests in Hong Kong. James described Morey as “misinformed” and “not educated,” drawing intense backlash.

    Hollywood is also capitulating to the CCP, Navarro said in the interview, noting that there has been a push for studios to remove content to make it palatable for Chinese audiences and regime censors.

    A report from PEN America, a nonprofit that promotes free speech, found that the makers of blockbuster films like “Iron Man 3,” “World War Z,” and “Top Gun: Maverick” are pandering to the CCP but cutting out dialogue and characters that aren’t pro-China.

    “Filmmakers cannot reduce their work to the lowest common denominator of only content that is deemed acceptable by one of the world’s most censorious regimes,” the PEN report stated. “Hollywood’s approach … is setting a standard for the rest of the world.” In one example, Paramount Studio executives demanded dialogue about a virus in “World War Z” originating in China be omitted from the film due to the regime’s sensitivity to the coronavirus that emerged in Wuhan last year.

    The NBA has not responded to a request for comment.
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