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    Mods could the title of this thread be changed to: COMMUNISM (AND CHINA)
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    Hi Gemma13,

    I believe there is a great misunderstanding on what's going on these days on China, Russia and related countries/regions

    As it really stands right now, people on west have continued to believe that "communism" is a thing, and a danger for years and years to come. However, that's not even the case anymore, but please allow me to explain a bit

    On Russia, China and other "communist" countries, there is a movement growing, specifically in young people, which is named something like "uber-modernity"

    This is kind of communism, or socialistic beliefs, but not quite, it has dropped all they considered caused the last iteration to fail, specifically why the USSR died under its own weight

    There are several, multinational groups forming youth armies and reaching into students to teach this new approach to their world view, one that drops all the mistakes from the past, conforms a new view and philosophy around the old principles, while avoiding introducing the mistakes from the past and so on

    You can look more into that if you go search for stuff like the "Essence of Time" cult, among several others "youth armies" around those places

    *By the way i don't subscribe or belong to any, i just know about them

    What i see is this, most people in the west keep looking into communism as a danger, while most eastern young (8 to 28 or so) keep looking into how the communist view is obsolete and retarded, and push for a new view which the west is not even aware of

    By the time the west realizes that they were not looking at the right place, it will be too late, because most young people in the east believe the old communist views are done for, and they have their own views, which are not even acknowledged on the west, by own choice, or lack of. There is a complete view which is out of sync with reality

    While in the east most people learn about real hard history and prepare for a hard future (see the Russian youth army, or the Nashi), in the US at least more kids the same age can not even write their own language, much less understand implications of wars or politics and so

    While in the East a Nashi or youth army kid can disassemble a rifle and reassemble in 30 seconds, in the US kids can only watch Tiktok all day and talk half English written sentences and play with guns on games, while the eastern kids play with real guns and go take advanced classes of history, math and science

    Current US army stands around 1+ million soldiers, just alone, in Russia, the youth army is closing in on that number. This means, kids from 8 years to 17 are in the numbers of 800 thousand, all well prepared, all with high education, all ready for combat, and same in China and other eastern countries

    And example of this approach to life is something like this

    Western kid: 1+1 = 2
    Asian kid: 1 is followed by 1.1, then 1.2, then 1.3... and so on, until you reach 2

    Discernment among all things, clear understanding of the world is a must, not just to pass an exam, or have a high level view. This applies to every single aspect of life, since it's considered a good practice and commitment to excellence

    But this is inheritance of the elders on the west, there's no one else to blame, just to be clear on that and to be just, no one else caused it

    I believe, western countries are not even aware of what's really going on in the world. Communism, for the new people on the east, is ridiculously obsolete. Yet look at news channels and papers on western countries, it's funny, they still go by the old standards that matter nothing at all anymore. Once the new generation comes into power in both sides, one will be prepared, the other one will try to apply obsolete knowledge to people that don't even care anymore. That's what "being left behind" looks like in the end

    The only reason why western countries believe China is "communist" is because they can't understand what's happening and attempt to apply obsolete views into a country they can't understand at all, and that's why they continue to fall behind year after year. It is obvious if you look from the outside, but lamentably not so for people on the inside

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    I guess what i'm really trying to say is this

    IF you would try to apply the current western understanding of communism to your own countries, it would be a total disaster, because even people on China and Russia, just threw it out to garbage bin

    In Russia, the Soviets are still around, claiming power and their money back, yet they kept saying back then, that those things did not matter In the end it did matter i guess

    The new concepts are completely unknown in western world, and i believe that's why people think those can be applied freely, if possible, however that's not and probably will never be the case "heaven forbid" lol. Repeating the same mistakes of the past is not a good thing to do

    Even after tons of decades, there's still a giant confusion about the difference between communism and socialism
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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    In many ways, what Marx said has taken place: "The executive of the modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie." The public is not aware of that as it fights for one political party over another (both funded by the rich in campaigns and from which they gain through lobbying and other means) while engaging in mass entertainment (served by the rich) and being exposed to numerous ads and marketing for goods and services (involving businesses that are ultimately funded by the rich).

    Finally, what makes matters worse is that the same economic base might not last given a combination of limits to growth plus significant ecological damage.
    We certainly are being dished up massive entertainment now. It is like watching a Jason Bourne or Tom Clancy show.
    (stock up on the popcorn)
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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ary-companies/

    EXECUTIVE ORDERS

    Executive Order on Addressing the Threat from Securities Investments that Finance Communist Chinese Military Companies

     FOREIGN POLICY

     Issued on: November 12, 2020

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

    I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is increasingly exploiting United States capital to resource and to enable the development and modernization of its military, intelligence, and other security apparatuses, which continues to allow the PRC to directly threaten the United States homeland and United States forces overseas, including by developing and deploying weapons of mass destruction, advanced conventional weapons, and malicious cyber-enabled actions against the United States and its people.

    Key to the development of the PRC’s military, intelligence, and other security apparatuses is the country’s large, ostensibly private economy.  Through the national strategy of Military-Civil Fusion, the PRC increases the size of the country’s military-industrial complex by compelling civilian Chinese companies to support its military and intelligence activities.  Those companies, though remaining ostensibly private and civilian, directly support the PRC’s military, intelligence, and security apparatuses and aid in their development and modernization.

    At the same time, those companies raise capital by selling securities to United States investors that trade on public exchanges both here and abroad, lobbying United States index providers and funds to include these securities in market offerings, and engaging in other acts to ensure access to United States capital.  In that way, the PRC exploits United States investors to finance the development and modernization of its military.

    I therefore further find that the PRC’s military-industrial complex, by directly supporting the efforts of the PRC’s military, intelligence, and other security apparatuses, constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States.  To protect the United States homeland and the American people, I hereby declare a national emergency with respect to this threat.

    Accordingly, I hereby order:

    Section 1.  (a)  The following actions are prohibited:

    (i)   beginning 9:30 a.m. eastern standard time on January 11, 2021, any transaction in publicly traded securities, or any securities that are derivative of, or are designed to provide investment exposure to such securities, of any Communist Chinese military company as defined in section 4(a)(i) of this order, by any United States person; and

    (ii)  beginning 9:30 a.m. eastern standard time on the date that is 60 days after a person is determined to be a Communist Chinese military company pursuant to section (4)(a)(ii) or (iii) of this order, any transaction in publicly traded securities, or any securities that are derivative of, or are designed to provide investment exposure to such securities, of that person, by any United States person.

    (b)  Notwithstanding subsection (a)(i) of this section, purchases for value or sales made on or before 11:59 p.m. eastern standard time on November 11, 2021, solely to divest, in whole or in part, from securities that any United States person held as of 9:30 a.m. eastern standard time on January 11, 2021, in a Communist Chinese military company as defined in section 4(a)(i) of this order, are permitted.

    (c)  Notwithstanding subsection (a)(ii) of this section, for a person determined to be a Communist Chinese military company pursuant to section 4(a)(ii) or (iii) of this order, purchases for value or sales made on or before 365 days from the date of such determination, solely to divest, in whole or in part, from securities that any United States person held in such person, as of the date 60 days from the date of such determination, are permitted.

    (d)  The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted before the date of this order.

    Sec. 2.  (a)  Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, causes a violation of, or attempts to violate the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

    (b)  Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.

    Sec. 3.  (a)  The Secretary of the Treasury, after consultation with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, and the heads of other executive departments and agencies (agencies) as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of the Treasury, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA, to carry out the purposes of this order.  The Secretary of the Treasury may, consistent with applicable law, redelegate any of these functions within the Department of the Treasury.  All agencies shall take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order.

    (b)  Rules and regulations issued pursuant to this order may, among other things, establish procedures to license transactions otherwise prohibited pursuant to this order.  But prior to issuing any license under this order, the Secretary of the Treasury shall consult with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, and the Director of National Intelligence.

    Sec. 4.  Definitions.  For purposes of this order:

    (a)  the term “Communist Chinese military company” means

    (i)    any person that the Secretary of Defense has listed as a Communist Chinese military company operating directly or indirectly in the United States or in any of its territories or possessions pursuant to section 1237 of Public Law 105-261, as amended by section 1233 of Public Law 106-398 and section 1222 of Public Law 108-375, as of the date of this order, and as set forth in the Annex to this order, until such time as the Secretary of Defense removes such person from such list;

    (ii)   any person that the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury, determines is a Communist Chinese military company operating directly or indirectly in the United States or in any of its territories or possessions and therefore lists as such pursuant to section 1237 of Public Law 105-261, as amended by section 1233 of Public Law 106-398 and section 1222 of Public Law 108‑375, until such time as the Secretary of Defense removes such person from such list; or

    (iii)  any person that the Secretary of the Treasury publicly lists as meeting the criteria in section 1237(b)(4)(B) of Public Law 105-261, or publicly lists as a subsidiary of a person already determined to be a Communist Chinese military company, until the Secretary of the Treasury determines that such person no longer meets that criteria and removes such person from such list.

    (b)  the term “entity” means a government or instrumentality of such government, partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization;

    (c)  the term “person” means an individual or entity;

    (d)  the terms “security” and “securities” include the definition of “security” in section 3(a)(10) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, Public Law 73-291, as codified as amended at 15 U.S.C. 78c(a)(10), except that currency or any note, draft, bill of exchange, or banker’s acceptance which has a maturity at the time of issuance of not exceeding 9 months, exclusive of days of grace, or any renewal thereof the maturity of which is likewise limited, shall be a security for purposes of this order.

    (e)  the term “transaction” means the purchase for value of any publicly traded security; and

    (f)  the term “United States person” means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.

    Sec. 5.  The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and, as appropriate, the Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to submit the recurring and final reports to the Congress on the national emergency declared in this order, consistent with section 401(c) of the NEA (50 U.S.C. 1641(c)) and section 204(c) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1703(c)).

    Sec. 6.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

    (ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c)  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

    DONALD J. TRUMP

    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    November 12, 2020.  

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    Basic logic informs that China needs more land.  China has 1 BILLION more people than the United States and they both occupy roughly the same area of land.  Australia is also roughly the same size with a mere 25 million people - making Australia very attractive real estate.

    No country can share real estate with China when they are a brutal communist dictatorship - so they have to occupy by force.  And that is exactly what they are doing.  They just haven't marched out their military, yet, because they have been very busy, and successful, at infiltrating the U.S. and Australia by stealth.

    The next four years is going to be tricky now that our U.S. ally and protector is governed by a China and Communist sympathizer.


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    Yep, the hypocrisy is staggering!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/0...2a478-95203089

    China is weaponising wokeness

    The CCP – oppressor of the Uyghurs – has accused the US of ‘systemic racism’.


    PADDY HANNAM 25 March 2021

    It’s 2021 and the Chinese regime has started lecturing the US on racism and injustice. Yes, that’s the same Chinese regime that has put a million Uyghur Muslims in re-education camps.

    Beijing has released a new report on supposed human-rights violations in the US. It opens with a quote from George Floyd – ‘I can’t breathe!’ – and goes on to state that ‘racism exists in a comprehensive, systematic and continuous manner’ in the US. According to the Chinese government, ethnic minorities in America have been ‘devastated by racial discrimination’.

    This may sound like the kind of thing you’d hear from your average social-justice warrior – but it has become a familiar refrain in Beijing. China recently used this line to attack Five Eyes – the intelligence alliance comprising the US, the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. That font of honest truth, the Chinese state paper Global Times, accused alliance members of forming ‘a US-centred, racist, and mafia-styled community’. It decried this as a ‘racist axis aimed at stifling the development rights of 1.4 billion Chinese’, due to its efforts to contain China.

    The CCP-run Global Times used similar language last month when declaring that ‘white supremacy’ lies behind the West’s supposed failure ‘to accept that China has done a better job’ of dealing with Covid:

    When they see the different results of China’s and [the] West’s Covid-19 fights, their psychology of racism [is] further instigated… After the Covid-19 outbreak, the US-led Western countries have become more and more like a racist gang. They have been boasting about their so-called human rights and equality, but they have not made any progress over the past century, and have even shown an obvious retrogression.’

    China accused the US of systemic racism at a UN human-rights session last year, too. Beijing was joined in this by representatives of other nations, such as Russia, Venezuela and Iran. Another CCP mouthpiece, China Daily, lapped it up, quoting Shu Zing, a scholar at Chongqing’s University of Political Science and Law: ‘The whole world has been hit by two “viruses” – the Covid virus [which] originated in nature, and the global racist virus, [which] originated in the US.’

    The hypocrisy is staggering. But as Josh Glancy has put it in The Sunday Times, ‘social justice’ types have shone a light on America’s ‘woke spot’. Identity politics, he argues, ‘is so steeped in self-abasement that it might actually prove a useful tool’ for China’s attempt to surpass the US.

    So many of our institutions buy into woke politics and are willing to spread the narrative of white, Western evil. Almost every corporation, politician and arm of the state has given credence to woke assumptions, especially around race. The idea that Western societies are riven with white supremacy is now accepted uncritically by many Western elites.

    China’s woke-washing tactics are not entirely new, of course. During the Cold War, for example, China and the Soviet Union attacked the US over its disastrous record on race. In the era of the civil-rights struggle and the battle against segregation, these attacks had a lot more merit. Many Western radicals became devout Maoists, including many anti-racists and black radicals. Civil-rights activist Robert F Williams famously moved to China at the behest of Chairman Mao.

    Today, few Western radicals take inspiration from the CCP, and none of any note follow Xi Jinping. But what has really changed since the Cold War days is the explosion of the West’s culture war. Back in the 20th century, even when there actually was widespread institutional racism in the US, America’s leaders did not take the knee to activists accusing them of racism. Now, however, a malaise has set in.

    When China accuses the US of systemic racism, Joe Biden and Co can can’t deny the core accusation, as it is one they make themselves.

    Given the current trade tensions, we should expect China to try to paint the West in a bad light. It is unusual, then, for the West to give it such an open goal. Donald Trump was surely right when he said that China ‘laughs’ at the US culture war: ‘When China looks at woke, they see the biggest problem we have is Dr Seuss… in the meantime, they’re building factories.’

    But as Beijing laughs at our petty squabbles, it is also attempting to destroy the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. It has herded a million Uyghurs into camps, where it is brutalising them and attempting to rid them of their culture. The reports coming out of the camps are truly grim: rape, torture and much else besides. An entire ethnic group has been dehumanised.

    China may accuse the West of systemic racism all it wants. But we only have to look at what is going on over there to see the real meaning of the term – and to realise how lucky we are.

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    Communism is a scary topic. At least it sounds so scary....
    Different group of people from different culture background have been fed with different defination of "communism".
    To discuss about Communism , people need have the same defination, understanding of communism. Otherwise, A talks about A's Communism ,B talks about B's communis.......But they are not talking about the same thing.

    Some people say: Communism means people share wives, one person's wife become every man's wife.

    Some people say: Communism means our private properties will no longer belong to us. We will lose all our properties...It will be taken away by the government.

    Some people say: Communism menas we don't need work, there is endless resources.... and people take whatever they need.....

    .......

    like Democracy......Different people have different understanding ,explaination about it.

    This is also the limitations of human. That is why we are so easily to be misled and controlled by the small group of "deep state". That is why there is less and less people when it is closer to the top of the pyramid of any society.

    Very smart people occupies the top , they create all kinds of concepts ....... to confuse people, to mislead people, to divide people , to rule people.......and to keep themselves on the top of pyramid for as long as possible.

    If common people are so smart,so easy to arrive at agreement on anything, it would be difficult to rule them.....Human society structure would be totally different form, instead of being always pyramid------ common people are always cattle at the bottom of the pyramid.

    Let's put the confusing concepts aside(democracy/communism), what kind of society is ideal?

    1 free( if it is not free, at least it is cheap ) or affordable medical service for majority or all of the people of a society .(if not all of them, at least most of them.)
    2 free( if it is not free, at least it is cheap ) or affordable accomadition for majority or all of the people of a society .(if not all of them, at least most of them.)
    3 free( if it is not free, at least it is cheap ) or affordable education for majority or all of the people of a society .(if not all of them, at least most of them.)

    The above mentioned 3 things are the basic needs of a human. A good society should free people from the stress ,pressure of struggling to get these basic needs of existing as a human.

    I don't care if it is called democracy or communism ,white terror or dictatorship ,only if the people's basic needs are guaranteed well ,people don't need struggle for any of them.

    On the contrary, if common people have to work hard ,often several jobs .... struggling to pay all kinds of bills , for instance , 1 when they get sick, they dare not go to hospital because of the abnormally highly expensive medical bills ..... they try to avoid going to hospital and deal with health problems by themselves .... to avoid getting broke by the medical bills. 2 they have to pay highly expensive tuition fees or pay student loan (not mention to all kinds of other bills and mortgage) in their 50's, 60's..... or many people don't have the luxury to go to university because of the expensive tuition fees.... ,as a result , they have to stay at the bottom of the society with their kids and grandchildren....generation after generation..... Their way of moving up in a society is blocked by the problem of money.......

    Such a group of people usually living in a capitalist country, are afraid of communism.....feel scary at the thought of or hearing communism...... enjoy the freedom of speech...,enjoy their time talking about communism....

    The fact is : the society which guaranteed the 3 basic needs of people in it did exist, But the deep state which controls some countries were not content with the teritorry under their control, they want to expand it to the last corner of the world .They want
    to control every country's resources.......They have been trying to take every society like that down, they have been using the media as a soft weapon... fordecades,non-stop,just help to demonize those societies which gurantee their people as decent as possible life ,to overthrow the "evil‘ governments one after another( in their eyes, of course ,because this kind of govenrment and country are in their way of controlling the whole world) until they get rid of all of them.... until one day on this planet nobody knows there ever existed on this planet such a society structure which guranteed the common people ,the majority people's 3 basic needs without making them work as cattle...or donkeys.... which served the majorty people at the bottom of the pyramid,instead of only the small group of people ont the top of the pyramid...

    What's wrong with us?? Who turned us into donkeys??
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    I have been to several countries and I have traveled all over the US. Other than my time in the military I have lived in several places in Texas. In all of those places none ever truly felt like home, or a place I could truly call home, even the place I was born. I have never been to a place that I could truly say this is where I could spend the rest of my life and be happy until I went to China! This may seem strange to some but while I was there in China, everywhere I traveled I truly felt at peace and happy. I have never felt like that before. The day I left China was a very sad day for me because I worried that I would never be able to return. There is a saying that, “ home is where the heart is”. I believe that is true because my heart is in China.
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    How is the life under covid-19 in China now ??

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    I am Tujia, one of the ethnic minority groups in China. My Mom is Miao and my dad is Tujia. My grandpa used to live in one of the poorest villages in Guizhou China, and he was the first generations to leave that village for city. I was born in a city in China and now I have been living in England for 5 years so far. Every time when I mentioned I am an ethnic minority Chinese they always asked me '"have you been to the concentration camps" "have your parents been forced to work" or "have you ever been tortured by CCP". I get really tired of answering this kind of questions, and I always tried to change their perception about China, but all ended up with "you have been brainwashed." So now I am trying to avoid any topics related to China. This is so sad.
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    How they pick their cotton in Xinjiang in real life??
    Thank you for visiting xinjiang and showing what's happening instead of telling what's happening.
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    Interview with a Living Buddha Spiritual Leader at Tashi Lhunpo Monastery in Tibet.
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    American/Canadian Propaganda - a Xinjiang "Genocide" Panel
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    Western Corporate Imperialism in CHINA
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    No more lies about China.



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    No more lies about China. When people spread rumours from mainstream media,they are helping to provoke a war,the 3rd world war...


    We hate the CCP but love Chinese people is bullsh*t



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    "I live in the US and I've been hearing so much negative things and hatred about China that I got sick and tired and bought a plane ticket there to see it for myself. Stayed there for a month and found out everything told was complete BS. I even criticized the CCP government and nothing happened. It's all BS about being arrested, human rights abuse, etc...total BS. To my biggest surprise was I found so many American expats living there, and they all say american media is nothing else but BS and bad education. And regarding the policy about having one child, that only applies if you are living in central areas of big main cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. where population is highly congested. If you live in the suburbs or smaller cities you can have as many kids as you want. You are also allowed to protest against the government as long as it's a non violent peaceful demonstration. Seen one when I was there and was inside the crowd with the protesters. Western media is nothing else but complete bullsh*t!"


    "We don't hate Chinese people, we just want to destroy their country and way of life"

    "Very true Fernando. CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that."

    ’History shows how much the West loves the Chinese and why stop with China.The nations that have had colonies have a record of treating their subjects with brutal authority ,and this only stopped when they were driving out .'

    "The US regime also said the same thing with Venezuela, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, many countries in south america and list goes on and on. This only means that tthey want to destroy these countries."

    "What do you mean I'd have to communicate with the Chinese people if I want change in their government, they should just do what I think!"

    ”You cannot love the son when you hate his father - African Proverb“
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    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
    Most people on this planet are living in a zoo society and this includes the people of China. Most people wouldn't know what sovereignty looks like in the same way that animals who have been kept in captivity for generations in zoo's have no idea what their natural state is. It's time to leave zoo society and head out into the wilderness.
    That is very true. That is also why i am guided here by a mysterious supernatural force
    Althoug in different zoos, the conditions and gamevrules vary a lot. Sometimes the difference is confusing,easy to cause disagreement. For example, many of the animals in zoo A feel superior to the animals in other zoos, and like to find fault with other animals in other zoos ,lauch one war after another.....
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    something interesting. 120 years?



    “Is anyone else turning to Australia to get the real news? I love how they tell us what our so called media covers up. I love these guys.”

    “Watching from Canada 🇨🇦 because our media here will never say the truth about anything."

    “It’s a sad day for the US when we have to turn to a foreign press agency to hear the truth about our incompetent and corrupt political officials"

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    Communism refers to the removal of private ownership of all means of production, and is very difficult to maintain. It's not against capitalism, though, which is why there's state capitalism.

    Socialism is preferred because it leads to a mixed economy, but it's defined by a wide range of regulations. That also makes all economies by default socialist.

    Capitalism refers to the process by which surplus revenues are reinvested to expand business operations, and thus production. It can involve Communism (i.e., state capitalism) and mixed economies (combinations of private and public enterprises, with various regulations, such as legal systems to legitimize private property and fiat currencies).

    Free markets refer to societies in the past which didn't have those regulations. In which case, several objects were used as money and agreed upon by various parties, ownership determined through occupation and force, etc.

    Free market capitalism, then, isn't exactly defined by a free market but more like a freer market, i.e., decreased regulation. That's because legal qualifications like what's mentioned above plus others, like charterships and limited liability, take place for more efficiency.

    Given that, I think what China initially followed was Communism espoused by the Soviets, i.e., international Communism. But after that, it followed Maoism, or nationalist Communism. After four major failures and two reform programs, it managed to uplift the lives of over 800 million people, after which by the late 1980s, it began to promote export-oriented centralized economics but still through a one-party system. Other Asian countries have similar variations even though they're not Communist, such as Japan (which except for a few years has been run by one party) and Singapore.

    Given that, one can argue that what China, and even Vietnam, has been doing is a variation of the so-called "East Asian Miracle," or state-sponsored capitalism, which was started by Japan and eventually accomplished by others, including South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, and India.

    In some ways, the same mercantilist policy can be seen in many other countries that are part of BRICS and forty emerging markets. It's not a new idea, as it started in Europe around three centuries ago, was promoted by both Britain and the U.S., and at least for Asia, is based on policies from nineteenth-century Prussia.

    The most recent U.S. leader who promoted something close to that was Trump.

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