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    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    . .

    Calusa


    The Seattle Seahawks



    Suquamish


    The Chicago Bears

    . .

    Illinois


    The Denver Broncos

    In another irony, a number of teams are named for other famed Indian removal supervisors, such as Commissioner of Indian Affairs (1857) Gen James Denver.


    . .



    And don't think about it too hard, or Indianapolis eventually becomes a cruel and existential joke.

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    All eyes on Kansas City

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    Adding levity to an otherwise world of conundrums and oddities.



    (I'm waiting for like 2035 when they change it back for 'nostalgia' purposes)

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    "Redskin" is like n****r. "Braves" is not a derogatory term.

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    So is "Indians" OK? What about "Miami"? Is that OK? There were many "Braves" among the "Miami", and none of them were "Indians", likely having never even heard of the place. If the "Washington" franchise named themselves after a local tribe, or maybe even some tribe that came along and bought "naming rights" (stranger things have happened), would that be OK? And if so, would they be able to keep their colors and logos etc the same?

    And if not, is "Miami" still OK??

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    Native American lawmaker: 'Redskins' name change 'should have been made a long time ago'

    Quote “It’s wrong for a national football team to perpetuate racist attitudes, but for decades the Washington NFL team refused to recognize the role their name plays in projecting racist stereotypes about Native Americans even after multiple protests and requests," said Haaland, who along with Rep. Sharice Davids (D-Kan.) became one of the first two Native American women elected to Congress in 2018.

    Although Native American groups and civil rights activists had long pushed for the name change for the Washington team, which was the last to racially integrate in the league, it wasn't until this summer when a name change was publicly considered by the ownership.
    There is a big difference between a placed named in honor or simply the memory of something/someone, and something being named a derogatory term. "Redskins" is a derogatory term. It is not the name of a person or tribe or anything respectable. It is a racial slur like many others which decent people do NOT use. The only reason it's still in use is because of A) money, and B) because historically, the US has had a really hard time treating Native Americans with any kind of decency.

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    What about this, is this OK?
    Or is this not OK?

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    . .Washington Powhatans




    . . . . . . .Washington Cherokee

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    Oh it all gets so confusing ...


    . .

    Indian removal supervisor G Washington

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    Ahhhhhhhh, Bluegreen. If there is a big enough group of people complaining that something is racist, then at least it has to be taken into consideration to see if maybe a name change is needed. Personally, if I owned the team from Washington DC, I would've changed the name a long time ago. But that's just me.

    I doubt the name "Fighting Irish" of Notre Dame will get changed anytime soon because nobody's complaining about it. ....... Yet. Right now, the fight is on for the "Runnin' Rebels" of University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV) to change their mascot and image. Like I said, if people are complaining, things get changed.

    You are throwing in the names of towns to the mix. Nobody's complaining about those. ....... Yet. Half the towns in the mid-west have native American names. Half the towns in the southwest have Mexican/Spanish names. Again, nobody's complaining. ...... Yet. Anyway, I think you are going juuuuuust a wee bit over-the-top with your comparisons here. It's not quite as bad as it may seem.
    I am enlightened, ............ Oh wait. That's just the police shining their spotlights on me.

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    Ahhh ... yes Orph thank you, you are right, I am going a bit over the top and making light but not really
    As usual ... however ... as has been suggested ...
    Where does it stop?

    All I'm saying is a team's name is a team's name and that's what we're talking about and what the thread title and OP refer to and many sports fans refer to and think of their favorite team as oneword, one entity, the announcer and headlines hammer it every day is all I'm saying ...


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    It's funny what becomes important in the media while the world burns. It's almost like there are those trying to distract us from something.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    "Redskin" is like n****r. "Braves" is not a derogatory term.
    Only so far as today is concerned. Words are subjective, and only have the meanings we assign to them, and those meanings are always subject to change. I would never have thought the word 'queer' for a gay person would ever be anything but derogatory, but today, to some, it is not, and there are those who wear it as a badge of honour. And good for them. But I do agree that Redskins is an unpleasant term, a wrong term, and best left behind. We must remember however that once upon a time it wasn't offensive.

    Consider this. When I was a kid, the word 'black' (in the UK) wasn't considered proper by well-meaning people. It was more impolite than racist, but still often used as a slur. Instead, the word 'coloured' was proper by the social norms of the time. Coloured was neutral and safe, as it didn't call attention to the actual colour. That was the thinking, so it was widely used and it sort of made sense. Then it flipped. Black became correct, and coloured incorrect. It was racist and rude to use that word, and soon it disappeared. I do see why, and no one would never use it now. But 'coloured' was once politesse as antidote to racism, then it itself became racist. And that's something I find interesting.

    It suggests to me that there could be words in common use today, words judged quite harmless - like Braves, or Chiefs, that will eventually fall out of favour. In twenty years they might even be considered the height of impropriety. Thus my original point.

    Yesterday the word 'sick' meant ill, or nasty, today it also means cool or excellent. Who knows what else it will mean tomorrow.

    So what's in a name? With meanings constantly changing, and with them new perceptions, really not very much.
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    Its kind of like "The Beatles", which I thought was the stupidest name for a band I had ever heard, but then after awhile, I didn't even think about it, and it became just a name, a word. Las Vegas says Redtails.

    Quote Online sportsbooks have the Redskins favored to change their name by only five letters — as Redtails is the betting favorite at 3/1. Those odds represent a 25 percent chance of occurring, with a $10 winning bet netting $30.

    Redtails could be a tribute to the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of African-American military pilots who fought in WWII. However, the team has yet to comment on the rumored name, nor its linkage to the WWII fighters.

    Sports Business Daily reports that the team has already selected its new name, but pending trademark issues are delaying the announcement. The franchise is expected to retain its burgundy and gold colors.

    After Redtails, Generals has the next shortest odds at 4/1. Presidents follows at 5/1, Lincolns at 8/1, and Veterans at 8/1 rounds out the top five.

    Other names with short odds include Capitols (9/1) and Americans, Memorials, and Monuments (10/1). One online book is also looking to capitalize on some easy money by offering Snowflakes and Trumps, each at 500/1.

    https://www.casino.org/news/odds-rel...tails-favored/
    Moneygrubbers and Whores failed to make the list.

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    Mutual of Omaha to remove Native American imagery from logo

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    "Redskin" is like n****r. "Braves" is not a derogatory term.
    --- I don't think it is....



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    I didn't say anything about thinking a name was "stupid", did I? I didn't think so.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ow-sources-say

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    I wonder if it has anything to do with this guy, whose hobby for the past several years has been buying the trademark on every alternate name for "Washington Redskins" he can think of.

    https://www.espn.com/blog/washington...-with-nfl-team

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    In the past two weeks, 15 women have gone public with statements regarding a culture of sexual harassment in the Washington Football Team workplace.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gton-employees


    This an organization with issues

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    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    What of other teams in a similar position? Kansas City Chiefs? Atlanta Braves? Cleveland Indians? They have a Native American theme too. But...they are different in my book. Redskins is considered derogatory, I think, solely because it references skin colour.
    Oops well, there you go. One year on from the Washington name change the Cleveland Indians (a baseball team) follow suit.

    Quote Meet the Cleveland Guardians

    The team announced through a video posted to its Twitter account on Friday morning that it will be changing its name from the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Guardians. The name will go into effect following the conclusion of the 2021 season.

    It seems, from what I've read and heard so far, that the majority of support for this name change has come from woke white liberal types claiming offence on behalf of Native Americans, rather than it coming from Native Americans themselves. In fact, the Cleveland Indians name was inspired by a Native American who played for the club way back in the 1900s or some such. I don't claim to know much about the history, I don't claim to know anything really about baseball either, but it appears we have another act of woke revisionism on our hands.

    How do you define what is offensive? Where do you even end with this? For example, if we're talking Cleveland, will someone stand up at some point and declare the Cleveland Browns as offensive too? I do know something of that history being a NFL fan - they're named after their co-founder Paul Brown. But origin and intent are irrelevant in the woke zombie brain. Brown is a skin colour after all, and to some that might be considered racist. Far-fetched? Who bloody knows anymore.

    The craziest thing of all? In this Tom Hanks narrated promo for the new Cleveland Guardians he says (at 31secs) "there's always been Cleveland, the best part of our name". Damn, isn't that kinda insulting to Native Americans?



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    Haha, love it!!

    Native American Group Threatens National Boycott If Washington Football Team Doesn’t Change Name Back To ‘Redskins’

    A Native American group has threatened a national boycott of the Washington Commanders unless the NFL team reverses course and changes its name back to the Washington Redskins.

    The Native American Guardians Association (NAGA) wrote on Twitter — now X — that the group, along with its Founder and President Eunice Davidson, have sent a letter to the “Washington ‘Commanders’ Ownership & Key Leadership Formally Requesting The Team Revitalize it’s Relationship With The American Indian Community & Rightfully Change Their Name Back to ‘The Redskins.'”



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