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    Dear Friends,

    After an interesting exchange with Avalon member One on a different thread, summarized here, I figured it might be interesting to share something about the eradication of smallpox — one of man's very greatest scourges over the centuries.

    I intend no ill-will towards Onewhatsoever. I simply realized from his replies, which were all well-intended, that many people just don't know about this, or properly understand what happened. It's part of our recent history, which is documented and real. And some may find it truly very interesting.

    I recommended this excellent book by Richard Preston, a beautifully written page-turner. But I fully understand that few people read books, or now feel they have the time. So here's a concise, 7-minute video that tells the story.


    It explains the concept of "ring vaccination", which was discovered quite by accident. (That's the creation of "firebreaks" to isolate and extinguish each outbreak whenever one occurred.)

    The superhero of the project was D.A. Henderson (even his wife called him "D.A." ), who was a quiet man but an excellent, inspiring, respected leader. He never got his Nobel Prize, though he was one of the most deserving of any. And Richard Preston, all of whose books I've read, appears several times in the video.

    Caveats are in order here.
    This is NOT an endorsement of vaccination for Covid-19, which, whatever one's views, increasingly appears to me to be unlikely to work. (One of several good reasons is that formed antibodies are often either absent completely, or aren't retained for long.) And were a vaccination available, I'd never take it.

    Smallpox is rather different, anyway. As the video explains, smallpox was actually an ideal target for this kind of super-ambitious eradication project. For a start, it was impossible to miss once some unfortunate person contracted it.

    And second, smallpox vaccination really did work. If, unthinkably and we all hope impossibly, there were to be a smallpox outbreak today (that would have HAD to have escaped from a bioweapons lab!), the disease is so very terrible that I'd most definitely want to be vaccinated. I'd argue that the risk management equations virtually mandate that.

    Moreover, strong cases have been made (which I fully understand and agree with) that modern vaccines can be and often are dangerous in many ways to far too many people. That's been more than covered, and excellently too, on other threads.

    So, the point here is merely that it helps us all to know history. No statue to smallpox eradication should ever be destroyed.

    And that's the history of countries, of disease, and of science. We should never be blind, dumb, uninformed Flat-Earthers about these things. Yes, viruses like this really do exist.

    As I posted on the other thread, facts are facts, and that's what helps us to all form good judgments. And often, those facts are nuanced, and require a little more understanding than is made available by simple dismissive one-liners.

    Do watch the video: it's concise and well-made. Better still, read the book, but it's only here as an option to do so... of course. Part of Avalon's mission is to inform as accurately as possible, because good information and self-empowerment go very closely together.


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    I think as you pointed out Bill smallpox is a separate issue from other epidemics.
    Fortunately it is no longer with us.
    Im not against vaccines --only the ones that have been proven to either not work or be dangerous.
    I can see in the case of smallpox that the way they went about it was sensible

    I dont think that isolating everyone as has happened with the current virus.
    Not everyone will agree with me but I suspect this virus is of the same mortality risk as Flu and that is bad enough--its different -- it has not affected children or healthy adults to any great degree so yes isolate vulnerable with their permission.
    Lets face it normally if you get a virus you feel rough and are not inclined to go out.
    The positive is that it strengthens your immune system for next time.
    If this virus had not been so hyped up then people would have done what they normally have done and it would have come and gone.
    The economy would have remained intact and possibly less elderly would have died.

    The negativity is tha,t it is accepted that many will die, not because of the virus but because suicide rate is going up due to buisness failure and lack of critical cancer testing and operations being delayed.
    The cure is worse than the disease for sure.

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    Default Re: The Eradication of Smallpox

    Thank you both for your posts - I agree, vaccination can be beneficial against certain maladies. I always get my tetanus jab every 10 years as I do gardening; my great-grandmother died of it just over 100 years ago after she trod on a rusty nail, that's why I was regularly told as a kid to wear slippers in the house. It's a horrible way to die, even today.

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    If this virus had not been so hyped up then people would have done what they normally have done and it would have come and gone.
    The economy would have remained intact and possibly less elderly would have died.
    Possibly, Greybeard - I'd say though that I follow economic news (and Wolf Street is excellent for what is really going on) and I was reading well over a year ago that a huge crash was coming due to the unsustainable level of debt in the world, and that it would be bigger than 2008. I think this is the real reason behind covid - the economy's crashed, but covid's to blame, not the bankers.
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    Quote Posted by HikerChick (here)
    I think this is the real reason behind covid - the economy's crashed, but covid's to blame, not the bankers.
    I'll amend that - one of the reasons, not the reason, as it seems to be serving multiple agendas!

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    Quote Posted by HikerChick (here)
    Quote Posted by HikerChick (here)
    I think this is the real reason behind covid - the economy's crashed, but covid's to blame, not the bankers.
    I'll amend that - one of the reasons, not the reason, as it seems to be serving multiple agendas!
    Yes I think you are correct-- we were heading for economy crash regardless.
    There seems to be too many agendas to mention.
    However, think they come under the umbrella of -- vaccinate everyone-- digital cash only- terrify people--control them, NWO.
    Reset, reduce the population.
    Holding the umbrella, Bill and Melinda Gates as far as I can see.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I think as you pointed out Bill smallpox is a separate issue from other epidemics.
    Fortunately it is no longer with us.
    Im not against vaccines --only the ones that have been proven to either not work or be dangerous.
    I can see in the case of smallpox that the way they went about it was sensible
    Yes. Another factor that made this possible was that smallpox only exists in humans. It's not carried by rats, bats, pigs, birds, pangolins, or anything else.

    Ebola, in contrast, regularly fades out of human outbreaks to lie dormant in other species, often for years. Bats seem to be one of those, but there may be others, and it's just not known where ebola disappears to when there are no human outbreaks. That makes smallpox-type eradication almost impossible.

    The largest and most dangerous ebola outbreak, in West Africa in 2014, and which even spread (briefly and alarmingly) to the US, all started when one 18-month old child was playing near a hollow tree which housed a bat colony in a remote village in Guinea.

    That much is known, but it's not known how exactly the poor kid got it. And what all that implies is that it just can't be anticipated where and when the next ebola outbreak may occur.

    What is very interesting is that the very first known ebola outbreak, in the Democratic Republic of Congo (then called Zaire) in 1976, was eventually contained because the Belgian doctors there, who at first had absolutely no idea what they were dealing with, were able to convince the tribal elders — those who still remembered smallpox — to do exactly what they'd learned to do, over the centuries, to contain smallpox in their own communities. It was literally part of the collective learned tribal wisdom.

    That was to burn everything. The bodies, the houses, the clothes, the possessions, everything. The elders knew to do that, understood it would work, and were able to convince the younger villagers that this new disease needed the same drastic containment. It was that alone that stopped that very first outbreak. (The next one in that country emerged again right out of nowhere, 19 years later.)

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    Good post. Even though more recent vaccines like the flu are of questionable worth, I think it was definitely a different case with smallpox and perhaps polio. Even though I've read material critical of vaccines for years my current views have shifted more towards the middle. Increasingly I think it's inaccurate to differentiate between holistic vs. Allopathic medicine...medicine is simply medicine. It's the type of mindset behind the approach that differs. In terms of traditional remedies, the Chinese were practicing a form of inoculation called variolation against smallpox for centuries.

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    Exclusive: mind-boggling FDA confession about the smallpox vaccine Aug
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    Exclusive: FDA confession about smallpox vaccine

    by Jon Rappoport

    August 30, 2017

    The FDA has just released a statement (8/28) about its crackdown on a California company pushing an unapproved treatment for cancer patients: stem cells mixed with a smallpox vaccine.

    But that’s not the big story. The big story is buried in the FDA press release. Here is the Agency’s statement:

    “Serious health problems, including those that are life-threatening, can also occur in…people who…have problems with their heart or immune system if they become infected with the [smallpox] vaccine virus, either by being vaccinated or by being in close contact with a person who was vaccinated.”

    The FDA states that those with certain prior health conditions who pick up the smallpox virus, as a result of vaccination, are at exceptionally high risk. AMONG THOSE PRIOR HEALTH CONDITIONS IS: “IMMUNE SYSTEM PROBLEMS.”

    That simply means weak and compromised immune systems.

    And yet…during the years 1966-1980, a massive smallpox eradication campaign was carried out in Africa, under the auspices of the World Health Organization. Roughly 100 million doses of the smallpox vaccine were given to Africans, MANY OF WHOM ALREADY HAD COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEMS.

    How much devastation was wrought by this vaccination campaign?

    The World Health Organization, in 1980, celebrated the eradication of smallpox on the African continent—but was that what really happened?

    Or was it this? The visible signs of smallpox receded, but people with already-compromised immune systems began dying in large numbers.

    The FDA has just unwittingly implied what researchers have known for decades; the so-called smallpox eradication campaign in Africa was one of the most dangerous medical interventions in history.

    In the late 1980s, a respected biologist with close knowledge of the Africa eradication campaign, told me, off the record, that after the World Health Organization celebrated their “victory,” they held a very secret meeting in Geneva.

    At this meeting, it was decided that the smallpox vaccine they deployed in Africa would never be used again.

    I asked him why.

    Because it caused cases of smallpox, he said.

    So the African eradication campaign had a double effect. In some people, the vaccine caused smallpox, which it was supposed to prevent. In others, who already had very weak immune systems, it wrought extreme devastation and death without giving the appearance of smallpox.

    More lies, more widespread destruction from the vaccine establishment.

    (For more on this topic, see Enormous basic lies about vaccination…)

    Blessings Luke

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    Smallpox section is highlighted

    . For those who may be new to vaccination research: Mr. Rappoport has been ferociously reporting on the Vaccination issue for over 30 years and IMO is the foremost vaccination expert researcher/journalist on the planet today




    Forgotten moments from the history of vaccines; yes, history matters May
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    Scientific propaganda about vaccines has reached dizzying heights, as officials point the uninformed public toward the Day of Liberation, when a COVID shot, otherwise known as God, will rescue Earth.

    Here, from a chapter in my 1988 book, AIDS INC., is an excerpt exposing some of the infamous moments in vaccination history—hidden by the press, or simply forgotten.

    For those denialists who cling to the notion that vaccines are remarkably safe and effective, this article is a pill you can swallow, bitter to be sure, but immunizing against the effects of bald lies from the bent medical establishment.

    Understand: this is only a partial history of disasters and revelations, and it stops at 1988.

    “The combined death rate from scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles among children up to fifteen shows that nearly 90 percent of the total decline in mortality between 1860 and 1965 had occurred before the introduction of antibiotics and widespread immunization. In part, this recession may be attributed to improved housing and to a decrease in the virulence of micro-organisms, but by far the most important factor was a higher host-resistance due to better nutrition.” Ivan Illich, Medical Nemesis, Bantam Books, 1977

    “In a recent British outbreak of whooping cough, for example, even fully immunized children contracted the disease in fairly large numbers; and the rates of serious complications and death were reduced only slightly. In another recent outbreak of pertussis, 46 of the 85 fully immunized children studied eventually contracted the disease.”

    “In 1977, 34 new cases of measles were reported on the campus of UCLA, in a population that was supposedly 91% immune, according to careful serological testing. Another 20 cases of measles were reported in the Pecos, New Mexico, area within a period of a few months in 1981, and 75% of them had been fully immunized, some of them quite recently. A survey of sixth-graders in a well-immunized urban community revealed that about 15% of this age group are still susceptible to rubella, a figure essentially identical with that of the pre-vaccine era.”

    “Finally, although the overall incidence of typical acute measles in the U.S. has dropped sharply from about 400,000 cases annually in the early 1960s to about 30,000 cases by 1974-76, the death rate remained exactly the same; and, with the peak incidence now occurring in adolescents and young adults, the risk of pneumonia and demonstrable liver abnormalities has actually increased substantially, according to one recent study, to well over 3% and 2%, respectively.” Richard Moskowitz, MD, The Case Against Immunizations, 1983, American Institute of Homeopathy.

    “Of all reported whooping cough cases between 1979 and 1984 in children over 7 months of age – that is, old enough to have received the primary course of the DPT shots (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus) – 41% occurred in children who had received three or more shots and 22% in children who had one or two immunizations.”

    “Among children under 7 months of age who had whooping cough, 34% had been immunized between one and three times…”

    “… Based on the only U.S. findings on adverse DPT reactions, an FDA-financed study at the University of California, Los Angeles, one out of every 350 children will have a convulsion; one in 180 children will experience high-pitched screaming [can indicate brain damage]; and one in 66 will have a fever of 105 degrees or more.” Jennifer Hyman, Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, New York, special supplement on DPT, dated April, 1987.

    “A study undertaken in 1979 at the University of California, Los Angeles, under the sponsorship of the Food and Drug Administration, and which has been confirmed by other studies, indicates that in the U.S.A. approximately 1,000 infants die annually as a direct result of DPT vaccinations, and these are classified as SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) deaths. These represent about 10 to 15% of the total number of SIDS deaths occurring annually in the U.S.A. (between 8,000 and 10,000 depending on which statistics are used).” Leon Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, CW Daniel Company Limited, Saffron Walden, Essex, England, 1987.

    “Assistant Secretary of Health Edward Brandt, Jr., MD, testifying before the U.S. Senate Committee on Labor and Human Resources, rounded… figures off to 9,000 cases of convulsions, 9,000 cases of collapse, and 17,000 cases of high-pitched screaming for a total of 35,000 acute neurological reactions occurring within forty-eight hours of a DPT shot among America’s children every year.” DPT: A Shot in the Dark, by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fischer, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich.

    “While 70-80% of British children were immunized against pertussis in 1970-71, the rate is now 39%. The committee predicts that the next pertussis epidemic will probably turn out to be more severe than the one in 1974/75. However, they do not explain why, in 1970/71, there were more than 33,000 cases of pertussis with 41 fatal cases among the very well immunized British child population; whereas in 1974/75, with a declining rate of vaccination, a pertussis epidemic caused only 25,000 cases with 25 fatalities.” Wolfgang Ehrengut, Lancet, Feb. 18, 1978, p. 370.

    “… Barker and Pichichero, in a prospective study of 1232 children in Denver, Colorado, found after DTP that only 7% of those vaccinated were free from untoward reactions, which included pyrexia (53%), acute behavioral changes (82%), prolonged screaming (13%), and listlessness, anorexia and vomiting. 71% of those receiving second injections of DTP experienced two or more of the reactions monitored.” Lancet, May 28, 1983, p. 1217

    “Publications by the World Health Organization show that diphtheria is steadily declining in most European countries, including those in which there has been no immunization. The decline began long before vaccination was developed. There is certainly no guarantee that vaccination will protect a child against the disease; in fact, over 30,000 cases of diphtheria have been recorded in the United Kingdom in fully immunized children.” Leon Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, p. 58.

    “Pertussis (whooping cough) immunization is controversial, as the side effects have received a great deal of publicity. The counter claim is that the effectiveness and protection offered by the procedure far outweigh the possible ill effects… annual deaths, per million children, from this disease over the period from 1900 to the mid-nineteen seventies, shows that from a high point of just under 900 deaths per million children (under age 15) in 1905, the decline has been consistent and dramatic. There had been a lowering of mortality rates of approximately 80% by the time immunization was introduced on a mass scale, in the mid-nineteen fifties. The decline has continued, albeit at a slower rate, ever since. No credit can be given to vaccination for the major part of the decline since it was not in use.” Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, p. 63.

    “… the swine-flu vaccination program was one of its (CDC) greatest blunders. It all began in 1976 when CDC scientists saw that a virus involved in a flu attack outbreak at Fort Dix, N.J., was similar to the swine-flu virus that killed 500,000 Americans in 1918. Health officials immediately launched a 100-million dollar program to immunize every American. But the expected epidemic never materialized, and the vaccine led to partial paralysis in 532 people. There were 32 deaths.” U.S. News and World Report, Joseph Carey, October 14, 1985, p. 70, “How Medical Sleuths Track Killer Diseases.”

    Despite (cases) in which (smallpox) vaccination plainly failed to protect the population, and despite the rampant side-effects of the methods, the proponents of vaccination continued their attempts to justify the methods by claims that the disease had declined in Europe as a whole during the period of its compulsory use. If the decline could be correlated with the use of the vaccination, then all else could be set aside, and the advantage between its current low incidence could be shown to outweigh the periodic failures of the method, and to favour the continued use of vaccination. However, the credit for the decline in the incidence of smallpox could not be given to vaccination. The fact is that its incidence declined in all parts of Europe, whether or not vaccination was employed.” Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization, pp. 6-7.

    “Smallpox, like typhus, has been dying out (in England) since 1780. Vaccination in this country has largely fallen into disuse since people began to realize how its value was discredited by the great smallpox epidemic of 1871-2 (which occurred after extensive vaccination).” W. Scott Webb, A Century of Vaccination, Swan Sonnenschein, 1898.

    “In this incident (Kyoto, Japan, 1948) – the most serious of its kind – a toxic batch of alum-precipitated toxoid (APT) was responsible for illness in over 600 infants and for no fewer than 68 deaths.”

    “On 20 and 22 October, 1948, a large number of babies and children in the city of Kyoto received their first injection of APT. On the 4th and 5th of November, 15,561 babies and children aged some months to 13 years received their second dose. One to two days later, 606 of those who had been injected fell ill. Of these, 9 died of acute diphtheritic paralysis in seven to fourteen days, and 59 of late paralysis mainly in four to seven weeks.” Sir Graham Wilson, Hazards of Immunization, Athone Press, University of London, 1967.

    “Accidents may, however, follow the use of this so-called killed (rabies) vaccine owing to inadequate processing. A very serious occurrence of this sort occurred at Fortaleza, Ceara, Brazil, in 1960. No fewer than 18 out of 66 persons vaccinated with Fermi’s carbolized (rabies ) vaccine suffered from encephalomyelitis and every one of the eighteen died.” Sir Graham Wilson, Hazards of Immunization.

    “At a press conference in Washington on 24 July, 1942, the Secretary of War reported that 28,585 cases of jaundice had been observed in the (American) Army between 1 January and 4 July after yellow fever vaccination, and of these 62 proved fatal.” Wilson, Hazards of Immunization.

    “The world’s biggest trial (conducted in south India) to assess the value of BCG tuberculosis vaccine has made the startling revelation that the vaccine ‘does not give any protection against bacillary forms of tuberculosis.’ The study said to be ‘most exhaustive and meticulous,’ was launched in 1968 by the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) with assistance from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia.”

    “The incidence of new cases among the BCG vaccinated group was slightly (but statistically insignificantly) higher than in the control group, a finding that led to the conclusion that BCG’s protective effect ‘was zero.'” New Scientist, November 15, 1979, as quoted by Hans Ruesch in Naked Empress, Civis Publishers, Switzerland, 1982.

    “Between 10 December 1929 and 30 April 1930, 251 of 412 infants born in Lubeck received three doses of BCG vaccine by the mouth during the first ten days of life. Of these 251, 72 died of tuberculosis, most of them in two to five months and all but one before the end of the first year. In addition, 135 suffered from clinical tuberculosis but eventually recovered; and 44 became tuberculin-positive but remained well. None of the 161 unvaccinated infants born at the time was affected in this way and none of these died of tuberculosis within the following three years.” Hazards of Immunization, Wilson.

    “We conducted a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial to test the efficacy of the 14-valent pneumococcal capsular polysaccharide vaccine in 2295 high-risk patients… Seventy-one episodes of proved or probable pneumococcal pneumonia or bronchitis occurred among 63 of the patients (27 placebo recipients and 36 vaccine recipients)… We were unable to demonstrate any efficacy of the pneumococcal vaccine in preventing pneumonia or bronchitis in this population.” New England Journal of Medicine, November 20, 1986, p. 1318, Michael Simberkoff et al.

    “But already before Salk developed his vaccine, polio had been constantly regressing; the 39 cases out of every 100,000 inhabitants registered in 1942 had gradually diminished from year to year until they were reduced to only 15 cases in 1952… according to M. Beddow Baylay, the English surgeon and medical historian.” Slaughter of the Innocent, Hans Reusch, Civitas Publish ers, Switzerland, and Swain, New York, 1983.

    “Many published stories and reports have stated, implied and otherwise led professional people and the public to believe that the sharp reduction of cases (and of deaths) from poliomyelitis in 1955 as compared to 1954 is attributable to the Salk vaccine…That it is a misconception follows from these considerations. The number of children inoculated has been too small to account for the decrease. The sharp decrease was apparent before the inoculations began or could take effect and was of the same order as the decrease following the immediate post-inoculation period.” Dr. Herbert Ratner, Child and Family, vol. 20, no. 1, 1987.

    “So far it is hardly possible to gain insight into the extent of the immunization catastrophe of 1955 in the United States. It may be considered certain that the officially ascertained 200 cases (of polio) which were caused directly or indirectly by the (polio) vaccination constitute minimum figures… It can hardly be estimated how many of the 1359 (polio) cases among vaccinated persons must be regarded as failures of the vaccine and how many of them were infected by the vaccine. A careful study of the epidemiologic course of polio in the United States yields indications of grave significance. In numerous states of the U.S.A., typical early epidemics developed with the immunizations in the spring of 1955…The vaccination incidents of the year 1955 cannot be exclusively traced back to the failure of one manufacturing firm.” Dr. Herbert Ratner, Child and Family, 1980, vol. 19, no. 4, “Story of the Salk Vaccine (Part 2).”

    “Suffice it to say that most of the large (polio) epidemics that have occurred in this country since the introduction of the Salk vaccine have followed the wide-scale use of the vaccine and have been characterized by an uncommon early seasonal onset. To name a few, there is the Massachusetts epidemic of 1955; the Chicago epidemic of 1956; and the Des Moines epidemic of 1959.” Dr. Herbert Ratner, Child and Family, 1980 vol. 19, no. 4.

    “The live (Sabin) poliovirus vaccine has been the predominant cause of domestically arising cases of paralytic poliomyelitis in the United States since 1972. To avoid the occurrence of such cases, it would be necessary to discontinue the routine use of live poliovirus vaccine.” Jonas Salk, Science, March 4, 1977, p. 845.

    “By the (U.S.) government’s own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus.” Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, “Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals,” 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979.

    “Prior to the time doctors began giving rubella vaccinations, an estimated 85% of adults were naturally immune to the disease (for life). Because of immunization, the vast majority of women never acquire natural immunity (or lifetime protection).” Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, Let’s Live, December 1983, as quoted by Carolyn Reuben in the LA WEEKLY, June 28, 1985.

    “Adminstration of KMV (killed measles vaccine) apparently set in motion an aberrant immunologic response that not only failed to protect children against natural measles, but resulted in heightened susceptibility.” JAMA Aug. 22, 1980, vol. 244, p. 804, Vincent Fulginiti and Ray Helfer. The authors indicate that such falsely protected children can come down with “an often severe, atypical form of measles. Atypical measles is characterized by fever, headache… and a diverse rash (which)… may consist of a mixture of macules, papules, vesicles, and pustules… ”

    The above quotes reflect only a mere fraction of an available literature.

    It is criminally deceiving to say, “Vaccines are simple; they stimulate the immune system and confer immunity against specific germ agents.”

    Official reports on vaccine reactions are often at odds with unofficial estimates because of the method of analysis used. If adverse vaccine-reaction is defined as a small set of possible effects experienced within 72 hours of an inoculation, then figures will be smaller. But doctors like G.T. Stewart, of the University of Glasgow, have found through meticulous investigation, including visits to hospitals and interviews with parents of children vaccinated, that reactions as severe as brain-damage (e.g., from the DPT vaccine) can be overlooked, go unreported and can be assumed to have come from other causes.

    —Well, that was my finding, in 1988, when I looked beneath the surface of the vaccine question.

    Now we are in very deep waters. COVID-19 hysteria has been tuned up to the NEED for a vaccine.

    WE need to slough off this promoted bad dream and stand firm against the little gods who traffic their vials in every doctor’s office, hospital, school, drug store, and tented parking lot—making them into shooting galleries.

    We already have natural immune systems. They work.


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    Default Re: The Eradication of Smallpox

    Polio has been mentioned --this link below is about measles but I think somewhere polio is mentioned, this may educate or not as the case might be -- A may be so!!
    But it has merit, its all the same can of worms.

    Regarding Luke's post.
    In the distant memory I recall one video where it was claimed that the smallpox epidemic was dying off naturally before the vaccine was produced, as is stated in Luke's post.
    I think the video was by Professor Dolores Cahill but may be mistaken.
    Experts, experts!!
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    I think with Smallpox, those who worked on the vaccine sold humanity a bag of lies as well.

    here are the points that help formulate my understanding.

    - I've heard doctors like Dr Jennifer Daniels say that smallpox was wiped out due to the introduction of good sanitation (like not spreading through communal toilets).
    - I've heard others mention that smallpox was caused by the introduction of the synthetic chemical industry, and a form of a deadly parasite that spread quickly through weakened immune systems.
    - Back in the day, there was a battle between Louis Pasteur and Antoine Bechamp. Louis Pasteur was like Edison, the smooth talking, hob-nobbing salesman who was selling the ideas of vaccines at the time, and Bechamp like Nikola Tesla, the true genius, thus led to the development of all the nasties today, Germ Theory, Vaccines and Pasteurization (killing off vital life-giving good bacteria).

    Here's a good and quick 5 min summation of Bechamp's hypothesis (which I hold dearly to be truth), vs Pasteur. And just some final thoughts - vaccine manufacturers LOVE Pasteur, they love to quote him, they love everything about him. There's a BIG RED FLAG there...



    on Pasteur's deathbed, he softly admitted that Bechamp was correct - the Terrain is everything.

    Searching for information on Bechamp is also much more difficult as the mainstream tries their best to bury his lifetime of crucial work.
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    Default Re: The Eradication of Smallpox

    At the risk of being a thorn in your side, Bill, I need to point out that there are alternative view points on the eradication of small pox. This is from the book "Virus Mania", which I highly recommend:

    Quote The number of inconsistencies that arise from the theory of death-bringing viruses is illustrated by the smallpox epidemic, which even today people like to draw upon to stir up epidemic panic. But was smallpox really a viral epidemic that was successfully overpowered by vaccines? "Medical historians doubt this," writes journalist Neil Miller in his book Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective? "Not only were there no vaccines for scarlet fever or the Black Plague, and these diseases disappeared all the same."

    For example, in England, prior to the introduction of mandatory vaccinations in 1953, there were two smallpox deaths per 10,000 inhabitants per year. But at the beginning of the 1870s, nearly 20 years after the introduction of mandatory vaccinations, which had led to a 98% vaccination rate, England suffered 10 smallpox deaths per 10,000 inhabitants annually; five times as many as before. "The smallpox epidemic reached its peak after vaccinations had been introduced," summarizes William Farr, who was responsible for compiling statistics in London.

    From an orthodox view, the picture on the Philippines was no less contradictory:the islands experienced their worst smallpox epidemic at the beginning of the 20th century, even though the vaccination rate was at almost 100%. And in 1928, a paper was finally published in the British Medical Journal that disclosed that the risk of dying from smallpox was five times higher for those who had been vaccinated than for those who had not.

    In Germany statistics of smallpox mortalities have been collected since 1816. There were around 6,000 smallpox deaths per year until the end of the 1860s. In the years 1870 - 71, the number of victims suddenly jumped 14-fold to nearly 85,000 deaths. What had happened? The Franco-Prussian War was raging, and French prisoners of war were held in German camp under the most miserable conditions with extremely bad nutrition. As a result, the number of smallpox cases in the camps increased exponentially, even though all French and German soldiers had been vaccinated against smallpox. Germans (themselves suffering from the war) were likewise affected by the smallpox, although some of them had also been vaccinated.

    When the camps were dissolved directly after the war, the number of smallpox deaths also markedly declined. Three years later, in 1874, there were only 3,345 smallpox deaths in Germany per year. Prevailing medicine says that this reduction was due to the Reichsimpfgesetz, a law that among other things stipulated that a child had to be vaccinated "before the end of the calendar year following his year of birth." But in fact, this law first came into effect in 1875, when the smallpox scare was long past. "Improvements in hygiene, technology, and civilization much had occurred at that time, which led to the reduction in illnesses and deaths," says physician Gerhard Buchwald.
    Unfortunately, there is no money or interest in trying to find out what really is going on with these diseases. A corporation will only invest time and money into researching treatments that will generate a profit. The truth is not important.

    Edit--I see a typo in the above quote--the authors must mean 1970s not 1870s.
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    Quote Posted by spade (here)
    I think with Smallpox, those who worked on the vaccine sold humanity a bag of lies as well.
    That's way too strong a statement, and as it stands, it's 100% nonsense. You've not taken the trouble to read about it, or watch the videos. You don't know the personalities involved. That's an ignorant opinion. I'll say it straight.

    Go actually read up about D.A. Henderson. And his team, for years, all over the world. You're just throwing cheap insults at great men and women of many nationalities. That's too easy to do. You're simply being lazy.

    The very reason I posted this thread was that I strongly suspected not that many people really knew all that much about smallpox or its history. It's not a this-generation problem. Thankfully, that's all downstream now.

    So there may be some work you to do here. I know that's what you think — you kindly said so! — but that may have nothing to do with the reality or the history.

    Separately, "The Terrain is Everything" was just a quotable one-liner, of course. Declarations on deathbeds tend to be brief and concise! But the "terrain" is certainly a very great deal. It really matters.

    I think everyone reading this is well aware that a HUGE red flag is that right now not one authority-figure or governing body of any kind anywhere in the world (to the best of my knowledge) ever mentions how important is to do what we each can individually to strengthen our bodies.

    What's being endlessly sold is that the remedies are all exterior to ourselves, and we're each powerless. I know that.

    There are differences between different viruses, though. A strong, healthy immune system stands a good chance of defending well against Covid. However, with the kinds of things that smallpox or ebola might do (not to mention a host of other less well-known horrors that exist), it's far more of a lottery. (Even with Covid, some strong, healthy people have been felled like trees, and it's still not clear why in every case.)

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    Default Re: The Eradication of Smallpox

    Quote Posted by Luke Holiday (here)
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    Yep. There were many reasons why smallpox was [to some degree] gradually on the decline.

    But it was never banished from the planet. That doesn't happen naturally, with any pathogen. The 1970s global eradication project administered the coup de grâce, and even then it was far from easy.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    And were a vaccination available, I'd never take it
    That would put you (and me !) on a collision course with Pierce Morgan's wife


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    There are only two kinds of vaccine, vaccine to prevent illnesses and vaccine to maim and kill. For a long time to come, we will only have the latter kind because the depopulation program is in full swing.

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    Not sure about that topic either, there might be some useful vaccines worth the risk, maybe the passive immunizations where only immunogobulines (the antibodies, Typ G = IGgs are given, actually working like a medicine then as the body does not produce them itself).

    The well known "Popo" argument ('but hey what about Polio & Pox?') is always touted by the pro-vaxxers but even here other reasons made it go down primarily in history (e.g. sanitation, clear water, hygiene, better food, better other medication, etc.), eventually, as shown in Dr. Humphries book 'Dissolving Illusions'. Only just started reading it but there is also a website (see below).

    "(...) we show the graphs of the disease rates and the death rates – was that both of them went down precipitously after the vaccinations were stopped. That story right there tells you that vaccines were not what made the disease go away; what made the disease go away was isolation and sanitation."- Dr. Susan Humphries (Dissolving Illusions)

    https://www.collective-evolution.com...e-should-know/

    http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    (Even with Covid, some strong, healthy people have been felled like trees, and it's still not clear why in every case.)
    Well, as always, I have a theory that athletes are especially susceptible due to their constant depletion of Zinc through sweat and heavy exercise. And the other is that those who've taken the past flu-shots and boosters are like 100% more susceptible to COVID cytokine storms often resulting in critical cases.

    Here's an interesting tidbit -


    Thanks for the strong rebuke Bill, but again I agree to disagree regarding smallpox (which is truly horrific as a virus). The smallpox vaccine did not work - and they will continue to intently miss out this small but important fact :

    Doctors are indoctrinated in medical school with the myth about the father of vaccination Edward Jenner. It turns out Jenner’s first smallpox vaccination experiment (his own son) ended up with brain damage and died young, most likely from a vaccine-related immune deficiency. The medical textbook definition of a vaccine adverse reaction is encephalitis (brain inflammation) which can lead to permanent neurological damage (aka brain damage, autism, developmental delay).

    https://therefusers.com/jenners-son-...x-vaccination/

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    Quote Posted by indigopete (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    And were a vaccination available, I'd never take it
    That would put you (and me !) on a collision course with Pierce Morgan's wife

    You see, the logic problem I have with pro-vaxxers is this : What ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF? AREN'T YOU ALREADY PROTECTED? How is it YOUR PROBLEM that I choose to die on my own terms? How is that being selfish?

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    Default Re: The Eradication of Smallpox

    He who wins the war writes the history.
    The Vaccine producers wrote the history --I suspect.
    We are at war now -- let us write the history.
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