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    I have some questions...If a vaccine is made for this covid virus that is crippling not only our country and its states and the world are we all going to be made to get it before recommencing our usual jobs again? Something about that doesn't feel right to me.

    If we already have a healthy immune system and haven't caught this virus why would we need a vaccine for something we don't have? Is that "just to be on the safe side?" or are there more nefarious means at work?

    Also...will we be allowed back to our usual jobs if we don't get the vaccine and are healthy because I was told to get a flu shot before I went back to doing what I do before they would let me through the door "just to be on the safe side", and from all the things I have seen about this virus Hydroxychloroquine has been used for years with success so why is it so demonised now?

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    I would say that it is exactly this cognitive dissonance between what our governments tell us and what they actually do that will cause any thinking person to question the narratives.

    Whether the focus is our health, our safety, war vs. peace, justice, the environment... it really pays to watch what they do, and not what they say, and to investigate their actions thoroughly.
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    There is advice somewhere on the net on how to handle this kind of threat, by offering to get the vaccine as long as the person administering the vaccine signs a document making them personally financially responsible for any adverse affects you might experience from the vaccine. Somehow, that let's you off the hook, but I don't have the details. I am sure someone else on this site will see this and supply the answers.

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    There is advice somewhere on the net on how to handle this kind of threat, by offering to get the vaccine as long as the person administering the vaccine signs a document making them personally financially responsible for any adverse affects you might experience from the vaccine. Somehow, that let's you off the hook, but I don't have the details. I am sure someone else on this site will see this and supply the answers.
    They already thought about that and take action...from Simon Parkes blog.
    Above the Law
    "Vaccine producers call on government to give them immunity from prosecution if the covid 19 vaccine kills or disables people.


    It’s common practice to give this immunity as many vaccine-related effects are struck out of the statute.


    Meaning it’s not possible to bring any legal actions against them because national governments have said that these organizations in this regard are above the law."

    https://www.simonparkes.org/post/above-the-law

    Don't ask me for more verification about this...I didn't search it further as I was sure that this would happen anyway...
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    Quote Posted by GMB1961 (here)
    ... Is that "just to be on the safe side?" or are there more nefarious means at work? ...
    No. It is a huge scam designed for terminate human lives, it is up to us to give up ourselves or fight back.


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    There is advice somewhere on the net on how to handle this kind of threat, by offering to get the vaccine as long as the person administering the vaccine signs a document making them personally financially responsible for any adverse affects you might experience from the vaccine. Somehow, that let's you off the hook, but I don't have the details. I am sure someone else on this site will see this and supply the answers.
    Yes, just download the DOC files from this website > https://www.freedomtaker.com/
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    I liken this whole affaire to what happened to Jim Jones and people who took their cool-aid when asked too / in preparation only a drill for now, so when he decided it was time for the kill shot. people would step up and take his cool-aid, without questioning is THIS the one? Now it is Bill Gates & Fuchi and nanotechnology they've had this for a couple of years now, just waiting for people to get afraid enuff to take the step that wouldn't have taken that step before. and hoping the governments would jump in and make it mandatory, which they hold the pattens for, to lesson the world population's all in the name of killing the virus. they don't have one for the common cold and now they have one for this? REALLY/? ARE YOU THAT USED TO DRINKING COOL-AID......?
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    demand for mandatory Dr. Michael Lederman, Maxwell J. Mehlman author and Dr. Stuart Youngner proffesor
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...mn/3289948001/


    Vaccinate or Terminate – Mandatory Vaccination As Workplace Policy Jennifer B. Rubin an attorney
    us mandatory vaccinations
    https://www.natlawreview.com/article...GgUtAWm6urtJjQ

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    Quote Posted by ljwheat (here)
    I liken this whole affaire to what happened to Jim Jones and people who took their cool-aid when asked too / in preparation only a drill for now, so when he decided it was time for the kill shot. people would step up and take his cool-aid, without questioning is THIS the one?
    .................
    REALLY/? ARE YOU THAT USED TO DRINKING COOL-AID......?
    I had not thought about the link between the mass suicide of Jim Jones' followers and vaccination. I am no expert on that event but I read a lot about it at the time and wondered why so many would willingly agree to take the poison and also police others who did not want to do it. A very few escaped into the jungle.

    I do know they felt oppressed by a force outside the community. They were indoctrinated to see their world as against them. They were told that they had no other choice than suicide.

    The experience I had when in the hospital system as a nurse was forced vaccination OR employment. The religious exemption would be phased out. BUT the whole idea that my nursing colleagues saw nothing wrong was worse even than the injection threat. I was prescient about my future in that I did not know how it would all go but I knew I did NOT AGREE with being told I MUST do something against my own will to be employed.

    Reading this document, I see the policy well laid out... vaccinate or terminate.

    https://www.natlawreview.com/article...GgUtAWm6urtJjQ

    I am so far off the charts these days about what I value IMO. At the moment I work in a spa as a massage therapist. So far there is no requirement to be vaccinated for licensure but there may be one soon?

    I think people should be getting roused to be vocal and stand FOR what they wish to see happen in their lives.
    One thing I am also doing is looking at strategies to detoxify my body. (that will allow my body to more easily deal with with additional toxicity)

    THE MAIN THING IMO.
    I have been addressing my own inner sense of being victimized. IMO feeling victimized was the ground where Jim Jones followers walked into mass suicide. The ONLY way to deal with believing oneself a victim is to first KNOW if one does. I know I have that in ME. It may be well hidden but I know it exists because I feel fear of being forced to do something.

    I have told this story before but it is a real example of how this COULD be a nonissue... A student of Abraham Hicks (and her freinds say she is a wayshower for the way the tech of reality creation WORKS) told me that she has NEVER worried about the flu shot (as I did) and that she took the flu shot from her Nurse Practitioner without any consequences to make the NP feel good. That is because the NP was so sure it was vital.

    If I was fearless, I do think I would NOT be where I am on earth (maybe not on earth at all?). I say that because so much in my experience seems about fear and its consequences.

    COULD I become so nonchalant that I would be unfearing 100% about any outside event? THAT is my question.

    I personally today think the world situation is crafted to make us FACE our inner fear.

    Now what?
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by ljwheat (here)
    I liken this whole affaire to what happened to Jim Jones and people who took their cool-aid when asked too / in preparation only a drill for now, so when he decided it was time for the kill shot. people would step up and take his cool-aid, without questioning is THIS the one?
    .................
    REALLY/? ARE YOU THAT USED TO DRINKING COOL-AID......?
    I had not thought about the link between the mass suicide of Jim Jones' followers and vaccination. I am no expert on that event but I read a lot about it at the time and wondered why so many would willingly agree to take the poison and also police others who did not want to do it. A very few escaped into the jungle.

    I do know they felt oppressed by a force outside the community. They were indoctrinated to see their world as against them. They were told that they had no other choice than suicide.

    The experience I had when in the hospital system as a nurse was forced vaccination OR employment. The religious exemption would be phased out. BUT the whole idea that my nursing colleagues saw nothing wrong was worse even than the injection threat. I was prescient about my future in that I did not know how it would all go but I knew I did NOT AGREE with being told I MUST do something against my own will to be employed.

    Reading this document, I see the policy well laid out... vaccinate or terminate.

    https://www.natlawreview.com/article...GgUtAWm6urtJjQ

    I am so far off the charts these days about what I value IMO. At the moment I work in a spa as a massage therapist. So far there is no requirement to be vaccinated for licensure but there may be one soon?

    I think people should be getting roused to be vocal and stand FOR what they wish to see happen in their lives.
    One thing I am also doing is looking at strategies to detoxify my body. (that will allow my body to more easily deal with with additional toxicity)

    THE MAIN THING IMO.
    I have been addressing my own inner sense of being victimized. IMO feeling victimized was the ground where Jim Jones followers walked into mass suicide. The ONLY way to deal with believing oneself a victim is to first KNOW if one does. I know I have that in ME. It may be well hidden but I know it exists because I feel fear of being forced to do something.

    I have told this story before but it is a real example of how this COULD be a nonissue... A student of Abraham Hicks (and her freinds say she is a wayshower for the way the tech of reality creation WORKS) told me that she has NEVER worried about the flu shot (as I did) and that she took the flu shot from her Nurse Practitioner without any consequences to make the NP feel good. That is because the NP was so sure it was vital.

    If I was fearless, I do think I would NOT be where I am on earth (maybe not on earth at all?). I say that because so much in my experience seems about fear and its consequences.

    COULD I become so nonchalant that I would be unfearing 100% about any outside event? THAT is my question.

    I personally today think the world situation is crafted to make us FACE our inner fear.

    Now what?
    Imagine an iceberg, a tiny % (the tip of this iceberg) is exposed and that's what they call "your reality". The real world runs underground, the iceberg is huge as life is. We can fight those bastards in control of the "fake reality" any time, but it depend of people getting organized and break the tip of the iceberg, however does not matter the effort the tip will always be there as far the iceberg exists, I call it the Iceberg Effect.
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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Quote Posted by ljwheat (here)
    I liken this whole affaire to what happened to Jim Jones and people who took their cool-aid when asked too / in preparation only a drill for now, so when he decided it was time for the kill shot. people would step up and take his cool-aid, without questioning is THIS the one?
    .................
    REALLY/? ARE YOU THAT USED TO DRINKING COOL-AID......?
    I had not thought about the link between the mass suicide of Jim Jones' followers and vaccination. I am no expert on that event but I read a lot about it at the time and wondered why so many would willingly agree to take the poison and also police others who did not want to do it. A very few escaped into the jungle.

    I do know they felt oppressed by a force outside the community. They were indoctrinated to see their world as against them. They were told that they had no other choice than suicide.

    The experience I had when in the hospital system as a nurse was forced vaccination OR employment. The religious exemption would be phased out. BUT the whole idea that my nursing colleagues saw nothing wrong was worse even than the injection threat. I was prescient about my future in that I did not know how it would all go but I knew I did NOT AGREE with being told I MUST do something against my own will to be employed.

    Reading this document, I see the policy well laid out... vaccinate or terminate.

    https://www.natlawreview.com/article...GgUtAWm6urtJjQ

    I am so far off the charts these days about what I value IMO. At the moment I work in a spa as a massage therapist. So far there is no requirement to be vaccinated for licensure but there may be one soon?

    I think people should be getting roused to be vocal and stand FOR what they wish to see happen in their lives.
    One thing I am also doing is looking at strategies to detoxify my body. (that will allow my body to more easily deal with with additional toxicity)

    THE MAIN THING IMO.
    I have been addressing my own inner sense of being victimized. IMO feeling victimized was the ground where Jim Jones followers walked into mass suicide. The ONLY way to deal with believing oneself a victim is to first KNOW if one does. I know I have that in ME. It may be well hidden but I know it exists because I feel fear of being forced to do something.

    I have told this story before but it is a real example of how this COULD be a nonissue... A student of Abraham Hicks (and her freinds say she is a wayshower for the way the tech of reality creation WORKS) told me that she has NEVER worried about the flu shot (as I did) and that she took the flu shot from her Nurse Practitioner without any consequences to make the NP feel good. That is because the NP was so sure it was vital.

    If I was fearless, I do think I would NOT be where I am on earth (maybe not on earth at all?). I say that because so much in my experience seems about fear and its consequences.

    COULD I become so nonchalant that I would be unfearing 100% about any outside event? THAT is my question.

    I personally today think the world situation is crafted to make us FACE our inner fear.

    Now what?
    Imagine an iceberg, a tiny % (the tip of this iceberg) is exposed and that's what they call "your reality". The real world runs underground, the iceberg is huge as life is. We can fight those bastards in control of the "fake reality" any time, but it depend of people getting organized and break the tip of the iceberg, however does not matter the effort the tip will always be there as far the iceberg exists, I call it the Iceberg Effect.
    The top of the iceberg is already getting cracked...

    Dr. Reiner Fuellmich starting litigation!

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    Paul Offit on advancing vaccine compliance: "FEAR SELLS"




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    Another feeling I have about their urgency to have everyone world wide is that it would not allow time for news of adverse affects to be shared.

    And a lite touch of humour ( because I feel it is needed every so often)...I was being preached at about the fact that I didn't have my child vaccinated and that I was putting all of the other kids at risk. So I asked "well, if the other children are all vaccinated how would they catch that disease/virus from my child? So, you obviously don't believe that the vaccine works then do you?" He was stuck on that thought for quite a while.

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    After searching for nearly half an hour for a thread that I know exists but now cannot find because a) I can't remember the exact name of it, and b) the word "vaccine" appears in just about every thread you can think of since the rona erupted, I'm giving up and posting this study here.

    The study can be found here:Relative Incidence of Office Visits and Cumulative Rates of Billed Diagnoses Along the Axis of Vaccination

    Vaccinated Children Are Sicker, Study Shows
    A new study shows that vaccinated children are sicker than their unvaccinated counterparts. | Jennifer Margulis, Ph.D.

    Vaccinated children are sicker than their unvaccinated peers, according to a landmark new study on vaccine safety: “Relative Incidence of Office Visits and Cumulative Rates of Billed Diagnoses Along the Axis of Vaccination.”

    For over two decades, vaccine safety advocates have wondered if vaccinated children are sicker or healthier than their unvaccinated peers. These children’s health advocates have asked the CDC to conduct studies to compare health outcomes in completely unvaccinated children to those in vaccinated children, as per the CDC’s recommended schedule.

    Every parent in America, and every doctor recommending vaccines, should want to see these studies done.

    After all, in order to put the vaccine debates to rest, we must demonstrate that the current CDC-recommended vaccine schedule is actually safe.

    But, despite constant hand-wringing over declining public confidence in vaccines, the CDC refuses to do these studies.

    Their excuse has been that “it would be unethical” to withhold vaccines in order to study their safety.

    This excuse assumes that randomized controlled trials, where children are randomly separated into two groups, one which gets vaccines and one which does not, are the only way to do such a comparison.

    (If you’re wondering right now why it’s “unethical” to withhold vaccines to determine their safety but not unethical to recommend them for every infant before they are determined to be safe, you’re not alone.)

    But these days plenty of families are choosing not to vaccinate or to selectively vaccinate. Their children can easily serve as the control groups. So the CDC could perform retrospective epidemiological studies. After all, it is retrospective epidemiological studies that are the studies the CDC has done that purportedly “prove” that “vaccines don’t cause autism.”
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    RFK Jr: The Big Question About C0VlD Vac3ines that No One in Media Is Asking
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    "RFK Jr: The Big Question About C0VlD Vac3ines that No One in Media Is Asking.. Do these Vac3ines actually prevent spread of the virus? If not, will all those who receive them become C0VlD versions of "Typhoid Mary"?"
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    Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine BNT162b2

    Released recently the UK Government guidelines on vaccine administering issued to healthcare professionals.

    This in itself may answer many but maybe not all questions some of you may have. Attention may be drawn to the number of "unknown" occurrences cited here:

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...19_vaccine.pdf

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    Check out what's happening at this forum.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...7#post10359047

    Truthers who post there have to deal with an army of paid sophists* and the moderators are on their side. It's like on a lot of forums and on most forums this info gets deleted as soon as the moderator sees it and the poster gets banned.
    I think it's important to post a little on sites such as that one in order to get the word out. I think a lot of the silent majority on those sites will take notice and wake up.

    I managed to get some info onto this site.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the...autism.163277/
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/an-...-today.163275/



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    You could not make this up.....So you get the Pfizer vaccination and you could become a Covid-19 superspreader???? ......and this is something that "needs to be examined"???? Farcical and sinister in equal measure.

    Apologies if previously posted, so much going on!


    Quote Pfizer Chairman: We're Not Sure if Vaccine Will Shed, Transmit Virus

    According to Pfizer chairman Albert Bourla, the pharmaceutical company is "not certain" if the coronavirus vaccine will prevent the transmission of the virus.

    “This is something that needs to be examined,” he said during an interview with Dateline.

    The Hill reports:

    In a prime-time special titled “Race for a Vaccine” set to air Thursday, Holt questioned Bourla and other individuals involved in the development and distribution of the medicine.

    In November, Pfizer announced that its vaccine candidate had been shown to be more than 90 percent effective at preventing COVID-19 and has applied for emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    The U.K. became the first country to approve Pfizer’s vaccine this week with the first round of immunizations expected to roll out next week.

    In a list of interview highlights released before the special, Holt asked Bourla, “Even though I’ve had the protection, am I still able to transmit it to other people?”

    “I think this is something that needs to be examined. We are not certain about that right now with what we know,” Bourla replied.

    Did you know that vaccine companies cannot be held reliable for people who have vaccine reactions? People who have extreme neurological reactions, and even die, never get the justice they deserve. Why would anyone trust companies that cannot be held responsible for their product?

    They can't even say for certain that the vaccine won't stop the transmission of the virus. What's the point of even taking it then?

    Do your research before allowing any of that poison in your body.
    https://dailypatriotreport.com/pfize...ransmit-virus/

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    The link below is from G. Edward Griffin's Red Pill University (Reality Zone). Take a look. I think the second video does a good job of putting the greater than 99% survival rate (or conversely, the less than 1% death rate) of this so-called CV 19 disease into graphic perspective.

    https://needtoknow.news/2020/12/amer...the-covid-shot

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    Quote Posted by OmeyocaN777 (here)
    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    There is advice somewhere on the net on how to handle this kind of threat, by offering to get the vaccine as long as the person administering the vaccine signs a document making them personally financially responsible for any adverse affects you might experience from the vaccine. Somehow, that let's you off the hook, but I don't have the details. I am sure someone else on this site will see this and supply the answers.
    They already thought about that and take action...from Simon Parkes blog.
    Above the Law
    "Vaccine producers call on government to give them immunity from prosecution if the covid 19 vaccine kills or disables people.


    It’s common practice to give this immunity as many vaccine-related effects are struck out of the statute.


    Meaning it’s not possible to bring any legal actions against them because national governments have said that these organizations in this regard are above the law."

    https://www.simonparkes.org/post/above-the-law

    Don't ask me for more verification about this...I didn't search it further as I was sure that this would happen anyway...
    In a few words...they Love us so much.
    OmeyocanN777 I don't think you understood exactly what Arcturian was saying.

    Of course Big Pharma has total immunity from prosecution. That goes without saying.

    It is possible however to sue the doctors/nurses personally who administer the vaccine if you can can get them to sign a liability agreement at the time of vaccination.

    You simply tell them, "OK I'll take the shot, but only if you sign the dotted line right here."

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