Posted by scotslad
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Forgive me, but coming from Scotland, please bear with me as I'm trying to educate myself quickly as to how the US voting system is supposed to work in light of current events and so that I can thoroughly appreciate the efforts folks are making in contributing to this thread. Thanks in advance.
With individual 50 states, I kinda get it that makes up 50 x mini elections?
Do all 50 states have control of their own mini elections or is their an exception or over-ruling body?
FOR THE MOST PART EACH STATE THROUGH ITS LEGISLATURE CONTROLS ITS ELECTION PROCESS FOR NOT ONLY STATE ELECTIONS, BUT ALSO FEDERAL ELECTIONS. THERE ARE FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS THAT APPLY THAT THE ELECTION BOARDS OR AGENCIES OF EACH STATE MUST FOLLOW. (SOMETIMES THEY DO AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE LAWS.) THERE IS ALSO A FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO OVERSEE FEDERAL ELECTIONS. ULTIMATELY THE COURTS HAVE THE FINAL SAY WHETHER AN ELECTION ADHERED TO STATE AND/OR FEDERAL LAW.
Each state, depending on its population vote for its representatives to appear in congress/senate.
EACH STATE HAS TWO SENATORS IN CONGRESS REGARDLESS OF THE POPULATION OF THE STATE. THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH STATE DEPENDS ON THE POPULATION OF THE STATE. (EACH STATE GETS AT LEAST TWO MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE.) THE MORE POPULATED A STATE IS, AS DETERMINED BY A CENSUS TAKEN EVERY 10 YEARS, THE MORE MEMBERS THAT STATE HAS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 100 SENATORS AND 435 REPRESENTATIVES, FOR A TOTAL OF 535 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
Out of curiosity, why is the total 538. Is there a scientific reasoning behind it?
538 IS THE NUMBER OF ELECTORS WHO CAN VOTE IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. THE REASON THERE ARE NOW 538 ELECTORS IS BECAUSE OF THE TOTAL MEMBERS IN CONGRESS, 535, THEN WASHINGTON, DC, WHICH HAS NO REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS, GETS 3 ELECTORS. THE TOTAL ELECTORS IS THUS 538.
I understand it that the presidential candidate of the party who achieves 270 (a majority made up of their electors) is supposed to win the election. CORRECT
If there is no 270 majority what steps/processes are normally triggered?
IF NEITHER CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT GETS THE 270 MAJORITY (OR MORE) OF THE ELECTORAL VOTES, UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SEC. 1 AND THE 12TH AMENDMENT, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES "CHOOSES" THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE "CHOOSES" THE VICE PRESIDENT. (THE CHOICE FOR VP MUST BE THE PERSON WHO RAN AS VP WITH THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT.) THESE CHOICES ARE BASED UPON HOW THE LEGISLATURE OF EACH STATE CASTS ITS VOTE FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. THE CANDIDATES WHO GET THE MAJORITY OF THE STATE VOTES "WINS." I WROTE ABOUT THIS PROCESS IN A POST ABOVE.
THERE ARE ALSO AVENUES OF REVIEW THAT LEAD TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE AVENUES ARE IN PROCESS NOW. THE USSC WILL THEN FASHION A REMEDY.
Apparently...
1. "Dead" people appeared to have voted for a candidate.
2. There is audio/video/email/documentary evidence incriminating them & their family of abusing their position
3. The FBI (and the media) have suppressed and not acted on the evidence above
4. More "evidence" appears to be coming to light daily.
5. Covid appears to be "conveniently" used to exacerate mass social and economic instability by the media and
one of the presidential candidates
Does none of the above not get included in the "legal" case against a presidential candidate? THE LAWYERS WILL PRESENT, OR ATTMEPT TO PRESENT, EVIDENCE IN COURT, SOME OF WHICH WILL OR MAY TOUCH UPON WHAT YOU HAVE LISTED.
This appears to be not just an injustice, it is making the usa look a laughing stock on the world stage and is fracturing the very fabric on which its supposed democracy is founded. I remember Hitler during the war believed that the bigger the lie, the easier it would be for the people to believe it...
In a short response, whats your thoughts on how will this all end from a LAWFUL perspective - Best Scenario & Worst Scenario
FROM A 'LAWFUL PERSPECTIVE" I THINK (AND MANY WILL DISAGREE WITH ME) THE STATES OF WI, MI, PA, GA, AZ AND NV SHOULD NOT CERTIFY THE ELECTIONS. (BUT SOME OF THEM WILL, IF NOT ALL.) CONSEQUENTLY, UNDER ANY CONFIGURATION, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES FOR EITHER TRUMP OR BIDEN TO GET THE MAGIC NUMBER OF 270 OR MORE.
IN THAT EVENT, THE ELECTION GOES TO CONGRESS WHERE THE HOUSE CHOOSES THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE CHOOSES THE VP. THE RESULT WILL VERY LIKELY BE THAT TRUMP/PENCE ARE INAUGARATED FOR A SECOND TERM.
WHETHER THAT IS WORST CASE OR BEST CASE DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU STAND ON THE SUBJECT.
Thankyou.