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    As I have been discussing in this thread and elsewhere on the Forum, today is the day that things will start to shape up for the showdown in Congress on 1/6/2021 when the Senate and the House meet to open and count the electoral votes from the 50 states and DC.

    So far the GOP electors from Nevada have casts their votes for Trump. No doubt, the Democrat electors will cast their votes for Biden.
    this has happened, the Las Vegas Sun reported today:

    11:55 a.m.


    Nevada’s six Democratic presidential electors have awarded their votes for Joe Biden, becoming the first slate of electors from a battleground state to cast their vote.

    my understanding is, that despite the fact that Nevada GOP gave Live Conference in which they selected Electors for Trump, they were NOT sent, same as PA

    so my question is, does that negate:

    Quote Having electors' votes split in a state between two candidates provides additional and firm basis for a disagreement in Congress on the vote count from those states.
    being that they were selected, but not sent?
    I do not know the legally correct answer to this question. I'm not sure who does. Congress and, likely, the SCOTUS will have to provide an answer.

    Here is what I see as possible (or probable to some degree or other) scenarios that the contested election states may take (It's a logic tree so bear with me) in regard to sending the electoral votes to Congress:

    1. In a state where the majority of the counted popular votes were purportedly for Biden, and the GOP electors cast their votes for Trump and not Biden, but these GOP votes are not included among the electoral votes the state sends to Congress, but rather, only the electors' votes for Biden are sent, then the total electoral votes from any such state may be deemed to be less than the electors of such state, thereby having a bearing on the number of votes needed by a candidate to obtain a majority of electoral votes, or,

    2. In a state where the majority of the counted popular votes were purportedly for Biden, and the GOP electors cast their votes for Trump and not Biden, such state treats the GOP electors' votes for Trump as if they were votes for Biden and such state then assigns all electoral votes to Biden, thereby casting all electoral votes of such state for Biden, and disregarding the votes for Trump, or,

    3 In a state where the majority of the counted popular votes were purportedly for Biden, and the GOP electors cast their votes for Trump and not Biden and the Democrat electors cast their votes for Biden, such state sends both the GOP and Democrat electoral votes to Congress, and Congress has two sets of competing electoral votes, or,

    4 In a state where the majority of the counted popular votes were purportedly for Biden, and the GOP electors cast their votes for Trump and not Biden and the Democrat electors cast their votes for Biden, such state only sends the Democrat electoral votes to Congress and not the GOP votes, and Congress has no competing electoral votes from any such state to consider.

    There may be other scenarios I am overlooking.

    I think scenario 1 is not probable and that scenario 3 is the most probable. That is, in the contested states, both the GOP and the Democrat elector votes are to be sent to Congress by the Secretary of State. Using New Mexico as an example, which has 5 electoral votes (as I understand it NM's GOP electors are casting their votes for Trump, not Biden), that would mean that NM 's Secretary of State should send Congress 5 elector votes from the GOP and 5 elector votes from the Dems. Congress will then have to open and "adjudicate" those votes in 1/6/2021.

    What happens, however, if one or more of these contested states only sends Congress the Dem electoral votes and refuses to send the GOP votes? This is scenario 4 (and a bit like scenario 2). On its face, Congress would not have competing votes from any such state. Can the GOP electors send their votes to Congress independently of the Secretary of State?

    The point I'm trying to make is that there is going to be a showdown in Congress and likely in the SCOTUS under some configuration of facts and legal issues.

    As I write this MSM is declaring Biden the winner because he has 270 and more electoral votes. As a matter of law, Biden is not the president elect. The process under Art. II, Sec. I and the 12th amend. and the Electoral Count Act has not run its course.

    It is Congress that elects or "chooses" the Present and VP. That does not happen at the earliest until 1/6/2021. Depending on what happens there, the election may go to the SCOTUS.
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    President Trump Will (Has won) Win the 2020 US Elections Via 12A
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    President Trump Will Win Re-Election Via 12A - Part 2
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    (Short but sweet--this guy always has interesting insights (see his videos about the 3Gorges Dam in the "China in Turmoil" thread.
    He's British-note the Manchester accent- but he's obviously done some good research into how things work in US elections. Ironic that a non-citizen knows more about the process than most Americans do, but it's great that this is getting so much attention all over the world, since so many other elections have been stolen elsewhere as well, and that demands a lot of scrutiny. )
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    President Trump Will (Has won) Win the 2020 US Elections Via 12A
    512 views•Dec 14, 2020
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    President Trump Will Win Re-Election Via 12A - Part 2
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    (Short but sweet--this guy always has interesting insights (see his videos about the 3Gorges Dam in the "China in Turmoil" thread.
    He's British-note the Manchester accent- but he's obviously done some good research into how things work in US elections. Ironic that a non-citizen knows more about the process than most Americans do, but it's great that this is getting so much attention all over the world, since so many other elections have been stolen elsewhere as well, and that demands a lot of scrutiny. )
    I think he’s been reading the threads in this forum re the election.

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    A question for Satori from this bear of very little brain.

    Maybe like for some others here, it's been proving really hard for me to keep right up to date with everything, especially if one's also doing some other necessary real-life stuff and can't be on the internet 12 hours a day.
    • Can you comment on my own extremely brief summary here?
    Seven states have now sent 'competing' electors. (A second group, voting Republican rather than Democrat.) Their votes are technically sealed, so only get to be formally counted later, and what is deemed valid will be up to Congress. What that means is that it's likely to be a 12th amendment issue, where Congress gets to vote and then Trump would be re-elected.
    • If I've missed important caveats, what have I missed?
    • What's your own real-time best guess right-now as to the outcome?
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    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    Today, the electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president...
    On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.
    Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today but that means nothing...
    The votes will be opened and at that point one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection everything changes. Everything!!
    The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will be only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats 20 delegation votes.
    If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected.
    The Democrats, the media, social networks and globalists around the world will come unhinged and chaos will erupt. Bigly.
    President Trump is trying to do the right thing and go through the courts first, expose all the fraud, but we all knew that none of the courts, even the Supreme Court wanted to touch this issue with a 10-ft pole!
    This is why our forefathers were so brilliant because they knew something like this could happen someday. So, don't listen to the media and all their deception and lies. All you have to do is read the Constitution and you know that the law, policies and procedures in the end are on our side.
    Tic Toc... Tic Toc.'

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    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    A hoax report, apparently. (The substance may or may not be correct, but it didn't come from her)

    https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/st...64387490484225


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    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    Today, the electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president...
    On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.
    Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today but that means nothing...
    The votes will be opened and at that point one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection everything changes. Everything!!
    The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will be only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats 20 delegation votes.
    If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected.
    The Democrats, the media, social networks and globalists around the world will come unhinged and chaos will erupt. Bigly.
    President Trump is trying to do the right thing and go through the courts first, expose all the fraud, but we all knew that none of the courts, even the Supreme Court wanted to touch this issue with a 10-ft pole!
    This is why our forefathers were so brilliant because they knew something like this could happen someday. So, don't listen to the media and all their deception and lies. All you have to do is read the Constitution and you know that the law, policies and procedures in the end are on our side.
    Tic Toc... Tic Toc.'
    Thanks Jill. This sums it up well enough. I have also discussed this process in prior posts.

    The quoted summary gets to what I have called the impasse between the Senate and the House on the electoral vote count. That impasse will lead to the delegation votes that are discussed in the quoted post.

    Trump should be declared the winner under this process and be inaugurated on 1/20/2021.

    If he is not then the Acting President scenario would (or may) arise. VP Pence (who sits as President of the Senate) should then become Acting President by virtue of Art. II, Sec. I and the 12th Amend.. Some will claim that the Speaker of the House should be Acting President under the Electoral Count Act. If we reach an Acting President situation, that person serves as Acting President until there is a president elect and the inauguration takes place making the President elect the full fledged POTUS.

    It is possible that a dispute over who is the President elect to be inaugurated in 1/20/2021 will make it to the SCOTUS. There may also be a dispute as to who the Acting President is, should there be no President elect by 1/20/2021. This dispute, if it comes to that, may make it to the SCOTUS.

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    (Believe it or not), Simon Parkes explains all this very clearly in this 7 minute video, published yesterday.


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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    Today, the electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president...
    On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.
    Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today but that means nothing...
    The votes will be opened and at that point one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection everything changes. Everything!!
    The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will be only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats 20 delegation votes.
    If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected.
    The Democrats, the media, social networks and globalists around the world will come unhinged and chaos will erupt. Bigly.
    President Trump is trying to do the right thing and go through the courts first, expose all the fraud, but we all knew that none of the courts, even the Supreme Court wanted to touch this issue with a 10-ft pole!
    This is why our forefathers were so brilliant because they knew something like this could happen someday. So, don't listen to the media and all their deception and lies. All you have to do is read the Constitution and you know that the law, policies and procedures in the end are on our side.
    Tic Toc... Tic Toc.'
    Thanks Jill. This sums it up well enough. I have also discussed this process in prior posts.

    The quoted summary gets to what I have called the impasse between the Senate and the House on the electoral vote count. That impasse will lead to the delegation votes that are discussed in the quoted post.

    Trump should be declared the winner under this process and be inaugurated on 1/20/2021.

    If he is not then the Acting President scenario would (or may) arise. VP Pence (who sits as President of the Senate) should then become Acting President by virtue of Art. II, Sec. I and the 12th Amend.. Some will claim that the Speaker of the House should be Acting President under the Electoral Count Act. If we reach an Acting President situation, that person serves as Acting President until there is a president elect and the inauguration takes place making the President elect the full fledged POTUS.

    It is possible that a dispute over who is the President elect to be inaugurated in 1/20/2021 will make it to the SCOTUS. There may also be a dispute as to who the Acting President is, should there be no President elect by 1/20/2021. This dispute, if it comes to that, may make it to the SCOTUS.
    In my post above I said: "The quoted summary gets to what I have called the impasse between the Senate and the House on the electoral vote count. That impasse will lead to the delegation votes that are discussed in the quoted post."

    I should have said that: the delegation votes competing with the certified votes from a state will lead to the impasse in Congress. Not that the impasse will lead to the competing delegation votes. (I reversed the cause and effect.)

    Also, I've listened to and read a lot of people talk about what the GOP controlled Legislatures of the swing states, where fraud is at issue, can do by casting competing votes in Congress (competing with the certified votes of a state) and how this will cause what I have called an "impasse" in Congress beginning 1/6/2021, but these people have not considered the role of the Electoral Count Act and the possibility of an Acting President scenario.

    As I wrote on a post elsewhere, as a matter of constitutional law Art II, Sec. I of the US Constitution will trump the Electoral Count Act, as the latter is an act of congress which must be in furtherance, not in contravention, of the Constitution.

    I do not want to see the Acting President scenario come to pass, but it is looming out there. As is the SCOTUS weighing in.

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    Dark Journalist's latest from last night is about the election, among other things, a little over an hour long.
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    Could be! I sent him a message letting him know I've been posting his updates on the 3 Gorges Dam here, and they are much appreciated.

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    The 2020 Presidential election is going to be determined not by one single authority or branch of state or federal government, but by a combination of state courts and state legislatures (in the states under scrutiny), to some extent by the SCOTUS, but in the final analysis by Congress under Art II, Sec. 1 and the 12th Amend. of the US Constitution. If not by Congress then by the SCOTUS.

    Ultimately, We, The People, will decide the outcome of the 2020 election.
    I’m shamelessly(and somewhat reluctantly) bumping, in a sense, this post because this is the way things are shaping up.

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    Today, the electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president...
    On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.
    Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today but that means nothing...
    The votes will be opened and at that point one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection everything changes. Everything!!
    The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will be only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats 20 delegation votes.
    If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected.
    The Democrats, the media, social networks and globalists around the world will come unhinged and chaos will erupt. Bigly.
    President Trump is trying to do the right thing and go through the courts first, expose all the fraud, but we all knew that none of the courts, even the Supreme Court wanted to touch this issue with a 10-ft pole!
    This is why our forefathers were so brilliant because they knew something like this could happen someday. So, don't listen to the media and all their deception and lies. All you have to do is read the Constitution and you know that the law, policies and procedures in the end are on our side.
    Tic Toc... Tic Toc.'
    Thanks Jill. This sums it up well enough. I have also discussed this process in prior posts.

    The quoted summary gets to what I have called the impasse between the Senate and the House on the electoral vote count. That impasse will lead to the delegation votes that are discussed in the quoted post.

    Trump should be declared the winner under this process and be inaugurated on 1/20/2021.

    If he is not then the Acting President scenario would (or may) arise. VP Pence (who sits as President of the Senate) should then become Acting President by virtue of Art. II, Sec. I and the 12th Amend.. Some will claim that the Speaker of the House should be Acting President under the Electoral Count Act. If we reach an Acting President situation, that person serves as Acting President until there is a president elect and the inauguration takes place making the President elect the full fledged POTUS.

    It is possible that a dispute over who is the President elect to be inaugurated in 1/20/2021 will make it to the SCOTUS. There may also be a dispute as to who the Acting President is, should there be no President elect by 1/20/2021. This dispute, if it comes to that, may make it to the SCOTUS.
    Satori, I have read a rebuttal of the process described in the text above (wrongly attributed to Jenna Ellis), I have bolded the part that is being rebutted...

    Quote the part in bold is the bit that is wrong. it is a simple majority in the house that is used not state by state voting. the state by state (en bloc) voting is used in a contingent election in the house if no candidate receives the required 270 votes in the electoral college. I should be surprised that an attorney would get that wrong but in the case of a trump attorney I am happy to make an exception.
    Can you clarify this?

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    Quote Posted by pueblo (here)
    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    This is something that Carrie Kohan posted today from one of Trump's lawyers:
    'JOE BIDEN IS STILL NOT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
    HERE’S WHY .. Also, see YouTube video which explains it in more detail.
    THIS explains it very clearly
    From President Trump’s ....Atty. Jenna Ellis...
    Today, the electoral college votes will be sealed and sent by special carrier to Washington where they will remain sealed until January 6th when the House and Senate will come into a joint session to open the votes. The media is going to make you believe that it's all over and Joe Biden is now officially president...
    On January 6th, Nancy Pelosi will sit down with the rest of the House members as she has no special power or authority over the hearing... Vice President Mike Pence will have all the authority as president of the Senate for that day and will accept or reject motions to decide the next steps by the assembly.
    Remember... Mike Pence is in full authority that day as written in the Constitution. The ballots will be certified today but that means nothing...
    The votes will be opened and at that point one House member could, and most likely will, raise their hand to object to the Vice President on the state of elector's votes. That objection could cover fraud or any other reason, and with the seconding of that objection everything changes. Everything!!
    The House and Senate will divide for two hours (at least) to debate, then vote. The vote will be per Senator with the Vice President being the deciding vote if needed in the Senate, while the vote in the House will be only be ONE vote per delegation, per state, not per House member!!! The Republicans have 30 delegation votes compared to the Democrats 20 delegation votes.
    If this scenario runs true, President Trump gets re-elected.
    The Democrats, the media, social networks and globalists around the world will come unhinged and chaos will erupt. Bigly.
    President Trump is trying to do the right thing and go through the courts first, expose all the fraud, but we all knew that none of the courts, even the Supreme Court wanted to touch this issue with a 10-ft pole!
    This is why our forefathers were so brilliant because they knew something like this could happen someday. So, don't listen to the media and all their deception and lies. All you have to do is read the Constitution and you know that the law, policies and procedures in the end are on our side.
    Tic Toc... Tic Toc.'
    Thanks Jill. This sums it up well enough. I have also discussed this process in prior posts.

    The quoted summary gets to what I have called the impasse between the Senate and the House on the electoral vote count. That impasse will lead to the delegation votes that are discussed in the quoted post.

    Trump should be declared the winner under this process and be inaugurated on 1/20/2021.

    If he is not then the Acting President scenario would (or may) arise. VP Pence (who sits as President of the Senate) should then become Acting President by virtue of Art. II, Sec. I and the 12th Amend.. Some will claim that the Speaker of the House should be Acting President under the Electoral Count Act. If we reach an Acting President situation, that person serves as Acting President until there is a president elect and the inauguration takes place making the President elect the full fledged POTUS.

    It is possible that a dispute over who is the President elect to be inaugurated in 1/20/2021 will make it to the SCOTUS. There may also be a dispute as to who the Acting President is, should there be no President elect by 1/20/2021. This dispute, if it comes to that, may make it to the SCOTUS.
    Satori, I have read a rebuttal of the process described in the text above (wrongly attributed to Jenna Ellis), I have bolded the part that is being rebutted...

    Quote the part in bold is the bit that is wrong. it is a simple majority in the house that is used not state by state voting. the state by state (en bloc) voting is used in a contingent election in the house if no candidate receives the required 270 votes in the electoral college. I should be surprised that an attorney would get that wrong but in the case of a trump attorney I am happy to make an exception.
    Can you clarify this?
    I saw that discrepancy too when I responded to Jill's post. I probably should have taken the time to clarify that then, but just went with the "well enough" comment.

    It is correct that the "state by state" voting occurs only if no candidate receives a majority of the electoral votes. That majority is at least 270 votes. Should the Senate and House not agree on the vote count in such away that neither candidate gets the 270 majority, then what I have termed an "impasse" occurs. I have made this point in a post or two in at least one other thread, the Massive Fraud thread I think.

    That is, should a candidate not receive 270 or more of the electoral votes when both Houses of Congress meet on 1/6/2021 to open and count the votes, and if Congress cannot resolve the "impasse" on the vote count such that one candidate does get at least 270 votes, then the state-by-state counting process is supposed to begin. This process is required under Art. II, Sec. I, and the 12th Amend. of the US Constitution and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 (ECA). The ECA attempts to spell out the procedure to be followed when counting the electoral votes. There is, however, some tension between the Constitution and the ECA. In my view the ECA is at odds with, and violates the Constitution, at least to the extent that the Speaker of the House would be the Acting President as opposed to the VP, Pence.

    Also, in my view, it is foreseeable that Congress does not reach an agreement on the electoral vote count resulting in a candidate having 270 or more votes. It is also foreseeable that the impasse is not broken and that some members of Congress, from both parties, will try to block the state-by-state vote. If so, this will be Congress acting very badly, but politics etc... as usual.

    If the foregoing occurs, the Acting President situation kicks in and it is foreseeable that there will be a dispute over whether the Acting President is VP Pence, or the Speaker of the House, currently Pelosi.

    Finally, it is foreseeable that this dispute works its way to the SCOTUS.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    (Believe it or not), Simon Parkes explains all this very clearly in this 7 minute video, published yesterday.


    Hey, thanks for this Bill, who would have thought Simon would be such a clear decipherer of U.S politics? And of course he is spot on, I have been dimly aware of how the state legislators were briefed by the Trump legal team so diligently, but I was a little unsure of the precise constitutional role. It makes sense! Here's hoping.

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    Here's attorney Robert Barnes talking to Alex Jones just a few minutes ago, with a detailed 15 minute exposition of the current situation.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's attorney Robert Barnes talking to Alex Jones just a few minutes ago, with a detailed 15 minute exposition of the current situation.
    What should happen, but there is no way to be sure it will, is that on 1/6/2021 when the electoral votes are opened in Congress to be counted, Pence, as the President of the Senate, should--with respect to the GOP electoral votes from the 7 battle ground states--declare as valid and then only count the GOP electoral votes from those 7 battle ground states. He should take the bull by the horn and not count the Dem electoral votes from these states.

    These sates are AZ, GA, MI, NM, NV, PA and WI. These states have a total of 84 electoral votes.

    According to what we are told regarding the certification by the states of electoral votes, Biden allegedly has 306 electoral votes. Trump has 232 votes.

    On 1/6/2021, or anytime thereafter, should Trump get all of the electoral votes from the 7 battle ground states, he would have 316 votes to Biden's purported 222 votes. But, Trump would only need an additional 38 electoral votes to reach the magic number of 270. He should get all 84, however.

    Heretofore, because of the election fraud, Trump has been on his heels and having to react by proactive offensive measures seeking to reverse the election fraud and attempted steal.

    It's more than high time that the thieves be put on their heels and have to take proactive lawful action to try to preserve their fraud and the election theft.

    Pence needs to step up to the plate and reject the Dem electoral votes from the 7 battle ground states and only count the GOP votes. Let Biden and his handlers scream foul and claim violations of the Constitution. Let them seek judicial relief from that and see where it gets them.

    Does Pence have the courage to do the right thing? Time will tell.

    (I am assuming that the competing GOP electoral votes from the battleground states actually get to Congress to be opened on 1/6/2021. If they do not, then that raises other legal issues.)
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    (Believe it or not), Simon Parkes explains all this very clearly in this 7 minute video, published yesterday.
    Quote Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
    Hey, thanks for this Bill, who would have thought Simon would be such a clear decipherer of U.S politics? And of course he is spot on, I have been dimly aware of how the state legislators were briefed by the Trump legal team so diligently, but I was a little unsure of the precise constitutional role. It makes sense! Here's hoping.
    One of the reasons why Simon savvy to US politics is because he’s moving to the United States. IIRC, he wants to make Arizona his home.

    @ 1:41 - Simon shared it on his “5th December Election Update 2020” video. His plan is to become an American citizen and give up his British citizenship.
    "Some of you have been asking about the move to America and saying, "What do I intend to do about citizenship? "

    Yes, I will be looking to take US citizenship. Takes an age. A bit under the situation that I think will be occurring over the few months to come. Maybe it won't take quite that long depending on what reasons you go out there and what's happening.

    So yes I would take United States citizenship. I think it's very important. It’s part of a commitment. Probably give up British citizenship. Probably just give it up. Doesn’t mean I can't come back to Britain. Of course I can, but I probably wouldn't want to keep both nationalities. I think that's a strong commitment to the US."

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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    (Believe it or not), Simon Parkes explains all this very clearly in this 7 minute video, published yesterday.
    Quote Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
    Hey, thanks for this Bill, who would have thought Simon would be such a clear decipherer of U.S politics? And of course he is spot on, I have been dimly aware of how the state legislators were briefed by the Trump legal team so diligently, but I was a little unsure of the precise constitutional role. It makes sense! Here's hoping.
    One of the reasons why Simon savvy to US politics is because he’s moving to the United States. IIRC, he wants to make Arizona his home.

    @ 1:41 - Simon shared it on his “5th December Election Update 2020” video. His plan is to become an American citizen and give up his British citizenship.
    "Some of you have been asking about the move to America and saying, "What do I intend to do about citizenship? "

    Yes, I will be looking to take US citizenship. Takes an age. A bit under the situation that I think will be occurring over the few months to come. Maybe it won't take quite that long depending on what reasons you go out there and what's happening.

    So yes I would take United States citizenship. I think it's very important. It’s part of a commitment. Probably give up British citizenship. Probably just give it up. Doesn’t mean I can't come back to Britain. Of course I can, but I probably wouldn't want to keep both nationalities. I think that's a strong commitment to the US."
    I believe he (and others) follows this Forum and goes to school on what he learns here too. Nothing wrong with that.

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